Talk:Shri

Meanings

Sri is a word which is taken with respect, and used when initiating any noble cause.

What does srimati/shrimathi mean? Is this to address women? Andries 12:40, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Feminine of Sri, but traditionally used to address only married women. Unmarried women are usually called Kumari (variously also meaning daughter, girl, etc., akin to English miss).

From what I know, Sri can also mean "bountiful". Komitsuki (talk) 09:28, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

subjunctive gender?

There's no such thing as a "feminine subjunctive gender" in Sanskrit. There's a feminine gender for nouns, and remnants of an ancient subjunctive mood for verbs..--Grammatical error 17:21, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

General Use of the epithet Sri

Sri is also used as an honorific, to indicate that the person being honored is prosperous. This ought to be in the article. nein? Alamandrax 14:48, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Definition of it?

Hi.

I saw this:

"When used as a title for gods, Śrī is sometimes translated into English as Lord, but this is inaccurate and it is generally agreed that Śrī is best left untranslated."

But can a _definition_ of it be given, or is it not the kind of thing that has one per se? mike4ty4 (talk) 06:52, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Pronunciation

We read that:

Sri, Shri, Shree, Siri or Seri (Devanagari - श्री, Bahasa- Seri,Kannada- ಶ್ರೀ, Tamil - ஸ்ரீ, official IAST transliteration Śrī) means wealth, is a Sanskrit title of veneration [. . .]. It is pronounced halfway between sree and shree.

Is this really correct for all the relevant languages? I know nothing about the relevant languages, but it's rare for languages as closely related as the romance languages to be all in such precise agreement.

When talking in English, we can choose between the "s" and "sh" sounds of "seat" and "sheet" respectively: we've no halfway phoneme. In English, what are the relative pros and cons of the "s" and "sh" sounds for, say, "Sri Lanka"? -- Hoary (talk) 07:44, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Unreferenced

A pretty good article overall, this article needs sourcing. Tagged as such.--Lendorien (talk) 19:33, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Cili - an old form of Sri from the Wayang

There are up to four languages found in the Balinese Wayang - Javanese, Balinese, Kawi and Pali - in addition to Bahasa Indonesia with its Malay borrowings which may be used these days in simple explanation for a wider audience. I have found a reference to Sri as being occasionally called Cili - but no confirmation as to which language context this is. It may even be a Sinicised pronunciation. 210.50.143.21 (talk) 13:38, 1 August 2010 (UTC) Ian Ison

Seri is pronounced that way in Thai, with the /r/ transformed to /l/, but I've never seen it transcribed with a soft /C/. The usual form is Sri, which undergoes elision of the /r/ altogether, and is always pronounced Si (or Ci, but never transcribed that way.) --Pawyilee (talk) 16:58, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Redirect header broken

The redirection header on this article is badly broken and has no links to any of the pages it is trying to link to. I do not know enough Wiki markup to fix it, though. Liam Proven (talk) 12:01, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Proposed merge with Shrevin

Except for 1 line in lead and Etymology - everything else is copy pasted from Sri VasuVR (talk, contribs) 16:49, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

I agree, and have gone ahead and copied the etymology section here and redirected that page. Abecedare (talk) 19:12, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

'Sir' as in 'Escuse me Sir, and "Sir Richard Attenborough

The word "Shri' or "Sri' is the same word in the Indo-European, as 'Sir' as in a knighthood by the ancient Royal families of Celtic Britain, and also the common usage of "Excuse me sir, you dropped your card." It is not really "Mr" or "Ms". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Two Wrongs (talk • contribs) 16:02, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

"Not in classical Sanskrit" statement

Have removed this as WP:OR, since the source only pointed to an online dictionary and didn't give any reliable indication of whether the title was a later addition or not. LouiseS1979 ^(pigeonhole) 15:28, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Spelling

I think the title word should be fixed in its occurrences across the article, to be more consistent – Śhrī is an obvious over-transliteration nonsense. Also the note 1 has it wrong – compare with this or that. --Mykhal (talk) 12:59, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Yes, I saw Śhrī and went "what?"

The people working with Arabic script WP:MOSAR are tending toward using a strict transliteration when the word is first introduced, and a looser spelling that is easier on the eye in running text. Last time I was involved there, they were talking about rendering both ayin and hamza with straight-apostrophe, given that most English-speakers can't pronounce the difference.

Similarly with palatal श [ʃə] or [ɕə] and retroflex ष [ʂə] – the closest English spelling is "sha" for both. But people see śrī and simplify it to sri.

A problem with Indian terms is that everybody wants the spelling to reflect their pronunciation in their own language. Then we are likely to end up with the Tamil and Hindi speakers arguing about whether it's shri or sri. (As an aside, one Tamil blogger posted about changing the spelling of his name to ensure that people pronounce it sri-.) I'd love to have some guideline that says for pan-Indian topics, Wikipedia would stick to, say, Sanskrit or Hindi spelling for running text and be done with it.

For the long vowels, the old combinations like "ee" and "oo" (for ī and ū) look too colonial to me. I doubt many people would advocate shree as the preferred spelling. "ii" and "uu" are practical but unlikely to get much support: shrii. If avoiding diacritics, this leaves us with a single vowel for both long and short: shri. Long and short "a" are a bigger problem, but luckily that doesn't apply here.

On the other hand, if the title is "sri" and the text uses "shri"... sigh.

I'd like to see pronunciation guides for each entry in the table, but I'm loath to tag each one – it would look way too messy.

Pelagic (talk) 15:57, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Oh, we've been there before with sri versus shri diff. Pelagic (talk) 20:21, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

Sri count (108, 1008, ...) madness

I get it that 108 is supposed to be magical. But where does 1008 come from? An explanation would be nice. Also, provided "sri sri" equals "sri 2", I wonder whether "sri sri 1008 sri" equals "sri 1010" ;) --Mykhal (talk) 13:07, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Ha ha. Indeed, modest they are not. Even one Shri/sir etc. is too many. 3 Shris is factor 3 too many , etc.

Zezen (talk) 09:05, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Am I understanding that section correctly? Like, for Shri 1008 Satyatma Tirtha, a person who comes to talk to him will stand there and say Shri 1008 times, then his name, and then say what they wanted to say?

Talking very quickly, you get about 4 "shri"s per second, so you'd be standing around in front of this guy for over four minutes before you'd even really begun your first sentence speaking to him.

And do you have to do the shri repetition every time you want to say something to him? Or is it like talking to the Queen of England? i.e. The formal greeting (Your Majesty) once to begin with, and then you can just address her simply as "m'am". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.75.7.207 (talk) 16:29, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 7 May 2017

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The result of the move request was: article not moved(non-admin closure) Kostas20142 (talk) 10:10, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

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Sri → Shree – Devanagari: श्री, IAST: Śrī, IPA: /ʃɹiː/ or /ɕɹiː/, pronounced 'shree'. I dont see why it was named "Sri", and whatever articles/content came after that just followed it by not using H. The new spelling should be considered from "Shri" and "Shree". Thank you. —usernamekiran(talk) 22:00, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

• Shree is currently a dab page with several entries. Do you believe that this is the primary meaning of the term because if not it would need to be moved to Shree (word) or something of that nature?--64.229.167.158 (talk) 04:41, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

Not sure about new title, maybe Shree (word). But Sri is definitely incorrect. —usernamekiran(talk) 13:06, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

• Oppose. No reason to use a back-of-the-napkin, non-systematic Romanization that is not reflected in usage (e.g. Sri Lanka, not Shree Larngka; see here for more) or in languages that actually use the Latin alphabet (e.g. Indonesian). —  AjaxSmack  02:12, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

@AjaxSmack: This article is about the Sanskrit word. The names you are talking about are not sanskrit. They are Tamil, and Telugu. Look at this. Srilanka is a Sinhalese name. In sanskrit scriptures, it is mentioned as Lanka.

The only exception is Srinagar, but it is not "Shree" either. That Sri means Sun God in a local language of Srinagar. —usernamekiran(talk) 13:46, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

The Sanskrit form is श्री which is rendered as śrī, not shree (स्ह्रेए?). —  AjaxSmack  01:36, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

• Leaning oppose based on the substantial number of names using "Sri" as an element. bd2412 T 01:47, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

 Comment: @BD2412: India = thousands of languages. This article is about Sanskrit word. As mentioned above, the substantial number of names using "Sri" thaat substantial number you are referring to; they don't use sanskrit. —usernamekiran(talk) 10:35, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

This is the English language Wikipedia, reflecting English usage, where "Shree" is much less common for any transliteration. bd2412 T 15:03, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

@BD2412: I disagree. Kindly see Sri#Spelling and pronunciation. —usernamekiran(talk) 18:52, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

 Comment: @Ms Sarah Welch: Requesting your unbiased/not prejudiced opinion as you have studied Sanskrit, and familar with related concepts. —usernamekiran(talk) 18:54, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

Usernamekiran: There are many systems of transliterations. Both Sri and Shree are found in literature. We need to stick to ISO 15919 for indic scripts in wikipedia (with appropriate disamb pages to clear the confusion with less used spellings). The most common transliterations, you can check and typically find in Sanskrit-English Dictionaries such as Monier-Williams. Since the time of Geneva Oriental Congress over a century ago, it is Sri, indeed, that is far more common. See this (2nd & 3rd column, p. 1098), and this for example. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 20:12, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

Even though I still think Sri is incorrect, I withdraw my request to move the page.

 Request withdrawn —usernamekiran(talk) 20:49, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

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Requested move 30 October 2019

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The result of the move request was: Moved as proposed. (non-admin closure) Red Slash 15:37, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

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Sri → Shri – Proper spelling. Getsnoopy (talk) 06:52, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 17:46, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

@Getsnoopy: Object to speedy move The article indicates that the ISO 15919 variant is the current one. And there was a prior discussion of a different move in 2017 on the talk page, so I think this should also be discussed. -- 67.70.33.184 (talk) 07:19, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

• Ah, I see. I'm fine with using the ISO spelling if it's spelled correctly with the diacritics: Śrī. If it is going to be limited to the English alphabet, however, then we should use the Hunterian transliteration. Getsnoopy (talk) 18:21, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
• I'm not an expert, but based on some Google searches, I'm inclined to support the diacritic form Śrī . power~enwiki (π, ν) 18:24, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
• Support move to shri without diacritics per my comments above and this edit from April 2017 (where I made the body text more consistent but didn’t attempt requesting a move). Śrī is correct for Sanskrit but cumbersome (and maybe confusing to Anglophone readers who don’t realise that ś is pronounced 'sh', though this is explained in the text). Shri is "mostly correct" and common. Sri is common, but either reflects regional variation or arises from mis-transliteration of the Sanskrit/Hindi. Pelagic (talk) 04:21, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

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Origin?

The article doesn’t make reference to where this word is first used in Sanskrit literature? ChandlerMinh (talk) 07:23, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

Marathi

Marathi 103.87.28.118 (talk) 04:59, 9 January 2022 (UTC)