Talk:Suva Reka

The Name

If sombody have UN acceptit evidence that the name of the city is not Suharekë but is Suva Reka, then this articel must be unter the name: Suharekë and the page named "Suva Reka" must be redirect. My evidence you kann see in UNMIK oficiale page. Plase dont talk withaot UN acceptit evidence. --Hipi Zhdripi 04:00, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Unitet Naticion Law in Kosovo

The user of the city names in English Language (newer version from the UN liable pilari in Kosovo for such think )

1. http://www.osce.org/kosovo/13982.html

The original page of the Law (1. in albanian L., 2.Serbian L.)

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1. http://www.unmikonline.org/regulations/unmikgazette/03albanian/A2000regs/RA2000_43.htm
2. http://www.unmikonline.org/regulations/unmikgazette/04serbian/SC2000regs/RSC2000_43.pdf

The UN Law in Kosovo says that the only oficele name are the names presentit in >A< every thinks als is out of Law. This is for albanian language.

RREGULLORe NR. 2000/43
UNMIK/REG/2000/43
27 korrik 2000
Mbi numrin, emrat dhe kufinjtë e komunave
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Përfaqësuesi Special i Sekretarit të Përgjithshëm,
Në pajtim me autorizimin e tij të dhënë me rezolutën 1244 (1999) të datës 10 qershor 1999 të 
Këshillit të Sigurimit të Kombeve të Bashkuara,
Duke marrë parasysh Rregulloren nr. 1999/1 të datës 25 korrik 1999, të ndryshuar, të
Misionit të Administratës së Përkohshme të Kombeve të Bashkuara në Kosovë (UNMIK)
mbi autorizimin e Administratës së 
Përkohshme në Kosovë dhe Rregulloren Nr. 1999/24 të datës 12 dhjetor 1999 të UNMIK-ut 
mbi ligjin në fuqi në Kosovë,
Me qëllim të qartësimit të numrit, emrave, shtrirja dhe kufinjve të komunave para mbajtjes 
së zgjedhjeve komunale në Kosovë,
Shpall sa vijon:
Neni 1
Numri dhe emrat e komunave
Kosova ka tridhjetë komuna ashtu siç figurojnë në Tabelën ‘A’ të kësaj rregulloreje. 
Komunikimi zyrtar nuk përmban asnjë emër për ndonjë komunë i cili nuk figuron në Tabelën ‘A’ 
të kësaj rregulloreje, përveç që në ato komuna ku komunitetet etnike a gjuhësore joshqiptare 
dhe joserbe përbëjnë një pjesë substanciale, emrat e komunave jepen edhe në gjuhët e 
atyre komuniteteve.
Neni 2
Shtrirja dhe kufinjtë e komunave
Shtrirja e çdo komune dhe kufinjtë e tyre skicohen nga zonat e tyre përbërëse kadastrale. 
Zonat kadastrale të cilat përbëjnë çdo komunë figurojnë në Tabelën ‘B’ të kësaj rregulloreje.
Neni 3
Zbatimi
Përfaqësuesi Special i Sekretarit të Përgjithshëm mund të lëshojë direktiva administrative 
në lidhje me zbatimin e kësaj rregulloreje.
Neni 4
Ligji i zbatueshëm
Kjo rregullore mbulon çdo dispozitë në ligjin e zbatueshëm e cila nuk është në përputhje me të. 
Neni 5
Hyrja në fuqi
Kjo rregullore hyn në fuqi më 27 korrik 2000.
Bernard Kouchner
Përfaqësuesi Special i Sekretarit të Përgjithshëm

The UN Law in Kosovo says that the only oficele name are the names presentit in >A< every thinks als is out of Law. This is for serbian language.

UREDBA BR. 2000/43
UNMIK/URED/2000/43
27. jul 2000. godine
O BROJU, IMENIMA I GRANICAMA OP[TINA
Specijalni predstavnik Generalnog sekretara,
Shodno ovla{}ewu koje mu je dato Rezolucijom Saveta bezbednosti Ujediwenih
nacija 1244 (1999) od 10. juna 1999. godine,
Na osnovu Uredbe br. 1999/1 od 25. jula 1999. godine Privremene
administrativne misije Ujediwenih nacija na Kosovu (UNMIK), sa izmenama i
dopunama, o ovla{}ewima Privremene uprave na Kosovu i na osnovu Uredbe
UNMIK-a br. 2000/24 od 12. decembra 2000. godine o zakonu koji je u primeni na
Kosovu, <u>(hier is oficele user)</u>
U ciqu razja{wavawa broja, imena, oblasti i granica op{tina pre odr`avawa
op{tinskih izbora na Kosovu,
Ovim objavquje slede}e:
Clan 1
BROJ I IMENA OPSTINA
1.1 Kosovo ima trideset opstina kao sto je dato u Tabeli '''A''' u dodatku ovoj
Uredbi.
1.2 Zvani~na komunikacija ne mo`e da sadrzi bilo koje ime za opstinu koje
nije naziv odredjen u Tabeli A ove Uredbe, osim u onim opstinama gde etni~ke i
jezi~ke zajednice, koje nisu srpske i albanske ~ine znatan deo stanovni{tva, gde
se imena op{tina daju i na jezicima tih zajednica.
Clan 2
PODRU^JA I GRANICE OP[TINA
Podru~je svake op{tine i wene granice su ocrtane wenim sastavnim
katastarskim zonama. Katastarske zone koje ~ine svaku op{tinu su odre|ene u
Tabeli B prilo`enoj u dodatku ovoj Uredbi.
Clan 3
PRIMENA
Specijalni predstavnik Generalnog sekretara mo`e da donese administrativno
uputstvo u vezi sa primenom ove Uredbe.
Clan 4
ZAKON KOJI JE U PRIMENI
Ova Uredba zamewuje svaku odredbu zakona koji je u primeni a koja nije saglasna
sa wom.
Clan 5
STUPAWE NA SNAGU
Ova Uredba stupa na snagu 27. jula 2000. godine.
Bernar Ku{ner
Specijalni predstavnik Generalnog sekretara

tabel of contens >A<

TABELA ‘A’ (alb) RASPORED A (ser.)
Emrat e komunave (alb.)IMENA OPSTINA (serb)
Albanski Srpski
01 Deçan \Decani
02 Gjakovë \Djakovica
03 Gllogovc \Glogovac
04 Gjilan \Gnilane
05 Dragash \Dragas
06 Istog \Istok
07 Kaçanik \Kacanik
08 Klinë\ Klina
09 Fushë Kosovë\ Kosovo Polje
10 Kamenicë \Kamenica
11 Mitrovicë \Kosovska Mitrovica
12 Leposaviq \Leposavic
13 Lipjan \Lipqan
14 Novobërdë \Novo Brdo
15 Obiliq \Obilic
16 Rahovec\ Orahovac
17 Pejë\ Pec
18 Podujevë\ Podujevo
19 Prishtinë \Pristina
20 Prizren \Prizren
21 Skenderaj\ Srbica
22 Shtime\ Stimqe
23 Shtërpcë\ Strpce
24 Suharekë\ Suva Reka
25 Ferizaj \Urosevac
26 Viti \Vitina
27 Vushtrri\ Vucitrn
28 Zubin Potok \Zubin Potok
29 Zveçan\ Zvecan
30 Malishevë\ Malisevo

If sambody have a argument Im waitting. In another cases you are going to interpret the dokumets (you are out of UN Law) and you dont have argumet, you dont work for Wikipedia but are destroing the Wikipedia image. I know that my english is not so gut, but a desinformation is not gut for Wikipedia and for the peopel in Kosovo. You can have a problem with "Haage". This tabel is speeken better then I.--Hipi Zhdripi 21:06, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

No argumet

No argumet!!! please dont inteprete the documents

Sombody have putit this Kosovo place in Serbia stub or category or template here with out argumet. We dont have a argumet that Kosovo is part of S/M. We have tha Constitution of this countrie but we have the rez. 1244 wich is more importen for the Wikipedia and is saying that Kosovo it is a part of Yougoslavia and is prototoriat of UN. Till we dont have a clearly argument from UN, aricel about Kosovo must be out of this stub or category or template. Pleas dont make the discution with intepretation or the Law wich are not accordin to 1244. Everybodoy can do that but that is nothing for Wikipedia.--Hipi Zhdripi 05:18, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was PAGE MOVED per discussion below. Since there was a non-trivial history at the target, I swapped the histories, and edits previously under the redirect here can now be found at Suharekë, in case they're ever needed for GFDL or other reasons. -GTBacchus^(talk) 04:50, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Requested move

Suharekë → Suva Reka — Move from the Albanian name to the Serbian one, to reflect common English usage, as illustrated in the "Sources" sub-section below. For a number of historical reasons, the English language has usually adopted the Serbian names for the region of Kosovo. This usage may change in the future, and Albanian names may become the norm in English texts, but this isn't the case yet. Only when/if that happens should Wikipedia reflect the change, instead of spearheading it. Evv 21:21, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Survey

Add  # '''Support'''  or  # '''Oppose'''  on a new line in the appropriate section followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~~~~.

Survey - Support votes

1. Support as nominator. - Evv 21:23, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
2. Support. Agree with your reasoning. In any case, the current article name -according to the mention in the article- is no longer used either by the local ethnic Albanian population. Asterion^talk 21:32, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
3. Support, per Evv -- int19h 09:36, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Survey - Oppose votes

Sources

Google Print test

• Searching for "Suva Reka": 44 books in English.
• Searching for Suharekë OR Suhareka: 12 books in English.

• Searching for "Suva Reka" -Suharekë -Suhareka: 44 books in English.
• Searching for Suharekë OR Suhareka -"Suva Reka": 7 books in English.

Google Scholar test

• Searching for "Suva Reka": 47 results in English.
• Searching for Suharekë OR Suhareka: 21 results in English.

• Searching for "Suva Reka" -Suharekë -Suhareka: 36 results in English.
• Searching for Suharekë OR Suhareka -"Suva Reka": 8 results in English.

Amazon.com test

• Searching for "Suva Reka": 44 books in English.
• Searching for Suharekë: 5 books in English.
• Searching for Suhareka: 5 books in English.
• Searches Suharekë + Suhareka: 10 books in English.

The New York Times:

• Searching for Suva Reka: 32 results.
• Searching for Suharekë: 0 results.
• Searching for Suhareka: 0 results.
• Searching for Theranda: 0 results (but 1 for an Hotel Theranda).

• NGS maps: The Balkans (December 1999) uses Suva Reka only.

Discussion

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Orphaned references in Suva Reka

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Suva Reka's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "osce2015":

• From Gračanica, Kosovo: "Gračanica/Graçanicë". osce.org. OSCE. Retrieved 24 August 2017.
• From Štrpce: "Štrpce/Shtërpcë". osce.org. OSCE. Retrieved 24 August 2017.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 01:15, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

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The Albanian toponyms have a priority compared to the Serbian one

Please, don't change the Albanian toponyms I edited on this page. Albanian is primarly the language of the Republic of Kosovo. And don't make me source facts that it's like this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Therandas (talk • contribs) 12:59, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello @Therandas: i hope You are doing well. I totally agree with Your point of view. There are some rules that determine which name should be used for this article for an example. If Your are interested You should check out WP:CommonName and WP:PLACE#Multiple_local_names. If You have good arguments You can try to request a move. Please take a look at other move requests to see how things work before You do so. For further questions You can use my talkpage.Crazydude1912 (talk) 11:27, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

@Therandas: Mireseerdhe ne wikipedia! The names can change and do change in wikipedia as part of a wide community involvement. In WP:MOVE you could read how to begin that process. --Maleschreiber (talk) 13:53, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 28 June 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Suva Reka → Suhareka – The current name is not the name in use anymore because the most of the people living in Suhareka are Albanians and they call their city Suhareka not Suva Reka. Typical Albanian (talk) 09:29, 28 June 2023 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). Typical Albanian (talk) 14:42, 28 June 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. EggRoll97 ^(talk) 00:47, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support per nomination. It would also be consistent with the naming of other cities in Kosovo, which mainly have the name that is currently in use, not some historical relic. Uniacademic (talk) 22:22, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose. The proposal is not based on any Wikipedia policy, and it is also misleading. First, this is English Wikipedia and we need a name that is used in English sources. The name that local population uses (in their language) is irrelevant (see WP:Commonname). Second, current name (Suva Reka) is not "historical", it is still the official name of the city in Serbian language, which is one of two official languages of Kosovo. Vanjagenije (talk) 06:26, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support This should be treated as other Kosovo RMs in the past. There is no common name in the English language, one that has a high margin of usage over the other. These matters are addressed by WP:NCGN "If no name can be shown to be widely accepted in English, use the local name" The local population is almost entirely Albanian. In addition, there are WP:OFFICIALNAMES when no common name in English exists. The official name which os used by local authorities in all official papers is the Albanian name (the Serbian name is used only in some documents). This is how Kosovo disputes have been resolved. The majority-Albanian localities have Albanian names, and the majority-Serbian places have Serbian names. Truthseeker2006 (talk) 12:30, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

Support. The name "Suhareka" is in use within official government documents. It is also worth noting that the names used on Wikipedia for most (if not all) cities of Kosovo are a result of Serbian colonialism, and were imposed upon the academic understanding of the country. Fallbackintoreality (t • c) 19:14, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support WP:NCGN: "When a widely accepted English name, in a modern context, exists for a place, we should use it. This will often be a local name, or one of them; but not always. If the place does not exist anymore, or the article deals only with a place in a period when it held a different name, the widely accepted historical English name should be used. If neither of these English names exist, the modern official name (in articles dealing with the present) or the modern local historical name (in articles dealing with a specific period) should be used". None of the names is really common in English by a considerable margin compared to the other. This way the official and the name used by the local population of the city should be used as per the cited policy above. Albanian is the first official language of the municipality and the name used by the local population. Gaius Claudius Nero (talk) 02:23, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

• Comment/weak oppose. There was English coverage around the Suva Reka massacre of 1999. That coverage seems to have used the Serbian spelling. See the 2007 #Requested move (Suharekë → Suva Reka). For what it is worth, I will also note that the above !votes are lined up along ethnic lines (Albanian/Kosovar and one Serbian). And I am curious why it has not been mentioned that there is another Albanian spelling, Suharekë. {{replyto|SilverLocust}} (talk) 05:59, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

  I oppose too but would like to touch upon this specific reply. I'd like the closing editor to keep this in mind and follow policy guidelines, not a simple head count Some of these votes are clearly along ethnic and political preferences. One of the supportive votes cites Serbian colonialism but both names are variations of the Serbian name etymologically for example. This is neither the first nor last geography article to face issues like this (see places in India, South Africa, New Zealand and Ukraine, or Londonderry). Killuminator (talk) 13:58, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

  @Killuminator: I think there has been a miscommunication. To be clear, I mentioned the !vote (read as: "not-vote"; see WP:!VOTE) count only in indicating that there is reason to be extra cautious not to rely on it here. {{replyto|SilverLocust}} (talk) 22:31, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

Nevermind, I was the one who misunderstood! I thought you were disagreeing with what I said. {{replyto|SilverLocust}} (talk) 22:35, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose – The only time any of these names seems to have been heavily used in English-language literature was around 1999 when Suva Reka had a massive spike in ngrams. Outside of that, there's not much use, so I'd think we go for Suva Reka. The links from the 2006 RM still work and still show either even usage (Google Scholar) or a preference for Suva Reka (NYT, Google Books); however, normal google hits do seem to heavily favor the other Albanian spelling of "Suharekë". WP:NCGN only applies when there is no common English-language name, and the ngram (which is only English) seems to signify there is one, so I don't find that argument convincing. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 07:39, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support

EHZeroEight (talk) 18:06, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

Please note that this user has been indefinitely blocked as a WP:SOCKPUPPET of nom. {{replyto|SilverLocust}} (talk) 22:42, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Kosovo has been notified of this discussion. EggRoll97 ^(talk) 00:47, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Serbia has been notified of this discussion. EggRoll97 ^(talk) 00:47, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Nothing has changed since the previous request in 2006. Google Scholar test figures are still leaning towards Suva Reka [1] as opposed to Suha Reka [2]. ElderZamzam (talk) 10:26, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

• support per WP:NCGN—blindlynx 16:58, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
• Strong Support as per nomination and WP:NCGN mentioned by @blindlynx. Iaof2017 (talk) 11:37, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Both names are Serbian, one has just been "albanized". The name Suva Reka has been recognized as the name ever since the foundation of the city and is also widely referred to in English sources and daily language. Serbian language is co-official in Kosovo, so there is no reason to undermine the town's original name. Aleksandarstankov (talk) 01:37, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Per previously raised points and great arguments presented by other editors. --Ranko Nikolić (talk) 18:58, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose There is no reason for the change. Number of hits from Google or anything else does not suggest that's the way we should proceed. Soundwaweserb (talk) 15:58, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

  The number from google doesn’t care. The city’s name is suharekë. 185.82.108.104 (talk) 22:48, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose No reason for change and that has not changed for the last 16 years. 178.220.230.153 (talk) 12:03, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support As per previous arguments. AlexBachmann (talk) 22:58, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Gregor Mazrreku

Added the account of Gregor Mazrreku for the mid 17th century, seems to of been a mainly Catholic Albanian area. This one also fits with the later Turkish traveller in the 1660s, Evliya Celebi, whom apparently included Western and Central Kosovo as 'Arnavud' (Albania) and also the Llapi river in North-East Kosovo. TheCreatorOne (talk) 11:51, 5 March 2024 (UTC)