Talk:Synecdoche, New York

"Motifs" section

This entire section was without references, and the majority of it is pure original research. I went ahead and removed it for now, but here is what was removed so that it can be restored once some sources can be found. - SoSaysChappy (talk) 13:05, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

The section apparently had references at the start of September but were removed by Benhaldenby (talk · contribs). [1] I am not familiar with the subject so I haven't checked the quality of the references or the article text, but they are there if anyone wants to restore them. Road Wizard (talk) 19:17, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, it was referenced for the most part and most of it was actual quotes from Kaufman so I'm not sure why it was completely removed. I am in favor of it being restored. - Kylelovesyou (talk) 00:31, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

My apologies for not realizing this was previously sourced. I restored the section as it was before the sources were removed. There is definitely enough coverage on this matter for it to warrant inclusion, but adding even a few more sources certainly would not hurt. One thing I would suggest: take the line "Many reviewers have compared the plot to Jungian psychology.[2][3][4][5]" and expand upon what the sources in cites 3,4, and 5 had to say, as most of the subsection seems to rely mostly on the source from citation #2. It would also help to explain who is being referenced in a lot of the other sentences in the section, rather than just tacking on a footnote. - SoSaysChappy (talk) 05:49, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes I like it. Also should this section really be titled motifs? or is there a better name for it? Kylelovesyou (talk) 02:54, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm surprised there is no mention of the mondegreen Synecdoche New York for Shenectedy New York which is referenced early in the film as being where Caden lives with Adele. PortfolioMind (talk) 01:17, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

That section has been tagged for original research and is (among other things) sourced with FAQ at IMDb, which is generally not considered reliable. I would be in favour of drastic cuts, although what it says is rather interesting.-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 09:31, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

Baudrillard Simulacra and Borges

The motifs section makes reference to Baurdillard's Simulacra and Simulation. To quote the article: 'A specific analogy that Baudrillard uses is a fable derived from On Exactitude in Science by Jorge Luis Borges. In it, a great Empire created a map that was so detailed it was as large as the Empire itself. The actual map was expanded and destroyed as the Empire itself conquered or lost territory. When the Empire crumbled, all that was left was the map. In Baudrillard's rendition, it is conversely the map that people live in, the simulation of reality where the people of Empire spend their lives ensuring their place in the representation is properly circumscribed and detailed by the map-makers; conversely, it is reality that is crumbling away from disuse.' I think this specific detail is very directly relevant to the plot of the movie. Should specific reference to it be added in the entry in the motifs section, or is this implied simply by mentioning Baudrillard's treatise to begin with? 99.237.8.73 (talk) 03:23, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Having read Simulacra and Simulation there's definitely a lot more stuff to expand on here, notably the idea of the stages of simulacra resulting in a hyperreality where Caden (the real) is replaced. However, this probably counts as original research? If I can find articles and other analyses, could it be added then? Quasi-derivative (talk) 13:13, 7 December 2021 (UTC)