Talk:Tamil diaspora

Persecution

"A significant proportion of the Tamil diaspora in Western countries consists of educated Tamil Brahmins, who left Tamil Nadu as a result of persecution by the Dravidian Movement during the second half of the 20th century."

The emigration of Tamil Brahmin to Westerns countries as direct consequence of “persecution” of the Dravidian Movement is rather an absurd claim. How many people were killed in the persecution? --Natkeeran 22:58, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

People need not be killed in a persecution regime. They can simply be harrassed into getting out. For example a huge number of Jews emigrated from Nazi Germany *before* the Holocaust began. At that time, no Jews were being killed in Germany. User: Ramananpi

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Tamil population in the UAE

The article says that "There are about 450,000 Tamils in the United Arab Emirates having come from Tamil Nadu as professionals and workers in many sectors." with this source: "After Singapore, the largest number of Tamil Nadu diaspora is settled in the Gulf region with both the United Arab Emirates (UAE) and Saudi Arabia accounting for 400,000 and 350,000 people respectively. The US, with 300,000, and Malaysia, with 190,000, are the other top countries that Tamil emigrants preferred."

I added the information about the UAE to the infobox and @Obi2canibe: reverted it. I don't understand why. So I suggest we start a discussion here... A455bcd9 (talk) 17:54, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

@A455bcd9: This article is prone to editors adding false data so it's possible that the main body may have had false information. If you check the sources for the content you copied into the infobox you will see where you went wrong - for example you added that there are 450,000 Tamils in UAE whereas the source you provided only gives a figure of 10,000. I checked before I reverted you fist time. And when you reverted me, I checked again.--Obi2canibe (talk) 17:58, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

@Obi2canibe: OK I understand, but then we should remove the sentence "There are about 450,000 Tamils in the United Arab Emirates having come from Tamil Nadu as professionals and workers in many sectors." in the article. However other sources confirm that there are more than 10,000 Tamils in the UAE:

• 1 "Of 2 million Indian population in UAE more than 1 million are from Kerala and about 450000 are from Tamil Nadu." (used in Indians in the United Arab Emirates btw)
• The Hindu: "According to the website of the Indian Embassy in Abu Dhabi, the Indian expatriate community of approximately 30.4 lakh is reportedly the largest ethnic community in the UAE, constituting roughly about 30 per cent of the country’s population. Among the Indian states, Kerala is the most represented, followed by Tamil Nadu and Andhra Pradesh. However, Indians from the northern states, all put together, also form a significant portion of the UAE Indian population, it noted."
• embassy: "Indian expatriate community of approx. 3.42 millions [...] is reportedly the largest ethnic community in UAE constituting roughly about 30 per cent of the country’s population. [...] Among the Indian States, Kerala is the most represented followed by Tamil Nadu and Andhra Pradesh. However, Indians from the Northern States, all put together, also form significant portion of the UAE Indian population."
• Tamil Nadu Migrants in the Gulf, October 2019: "Though Singapore is estimated to receive the largest number of emigrants from Tamil Nadu accounting to 410,000 followed by the UAE with 400,000 emigrants, GCC states between them receive over half of the emigrants, estimated to be 1.1 million." => published by Springer
• India Today: "After Singapore, the largest number of Tamil Nadu diaspora is settled in the Gulf region with both the United Arab Emirates (UAE) and Saudi Arabia accounting for 400,000 and 350,000 people respectively. The US, with 300,000, and Malaysia, with 190,000, are the other top countries that Tamil emigrants preferred."
• Emirates247: "Targeting a market of more than 300,000 Tamil population in the UAE, a full-fledged radio station was launched a few years and the first Tamil newspaper in the UAE is also coming from the Dina Thanti Group."

So there were 400,000 Tamils in the UAE in 2015. If you don't object, I'll add this information to the article and update the infobox accordingly.

Best, A455bcd9 (talk) 18:14, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

(Actually 400k is the figure for Tamils from Tamil Nadu only) A455bcd9 (talk) 18:19, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

@A455bcd9: You can add anything as long it's properly sourced, which they are. I personally wouldn't add those figures because they are hugely distorted by expatriates. They aren't permanently settled in the UAE and will return to their home countries when their work finishes. But this is just my personal view. Either way I agree that the main body and infobox should be consistent in terms of figures.--Obi2canibe (talk) 19:15, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

Tamil population in France

Hi @Obi2canibe:,

You reverted my edit regarding the Tamil population in France, arguing: "please provide a verifiably source for the figure"

I don't understand.

The previous version mentioned "~125,000" for France with this source: https://www.tamilnet.com/art.html?catid=79&artid=25010 "Around 125,000 Tamils are estimated to be living in France. Of them, around 50,000 are Eezham Tamils."

I updated the number based on this source: https://www.academia.edu/15549053/Le_tamoul written by Appasamy MURUGAIYAN, Ph.D. in Linguistics and researcher at the École pratique des hautes études (from Wikipedia: "Its degrees in religious studies and in history count among the best in the world. Closely linked to École française d'Extrême-Orient and Institut français du Proche-Orient, EPHE has formed continuously world-class experts in Asian and Islamic studies and among them investment bankers, diplomat and military officers specialized in these areas."), specialized in "Tamil diaspora in French speaking islands" (source) Dr. MURUGAIYAN writes on page 3 of his paper:

• Tamils in France
  • Metropolitan France: 125,000
  • Guadeloupe 36,000
  • La Réunion 126,000
  • Martinique 15,000

Total = 302,000, which is the number I updated.

Please note that the 125,000 figure in Metropolitan France is the same as the one cited in the above TamilNet article.

The number for La Réunion is inline with what is currently written in the article (without any source): "There are now about 120,000 Tamils living in Réunion or "Malabars" as they are known there with many Hindu temples run by voluntary organisations where Hindu and Tamil cultural links are preserved well."

Could you please explain why you reverted this edit? A455bcd9 (talk) 18:13, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

By the way, the current version (which is the one you reverted to) has:

• France: ~125,000 (in the infobox)
• "About 57,600 Tamils live in France." (in the body)
• "There are now about 120,000 Tamils living in Réunion" (in the body)

The current version isn't consistent. A455bcd9 (talk) 18:15, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

@A455bcd9: The source you provided isn't verifiable as you have to register with Academia.edu to access the Murugaiyan article. It's also doubtful that the source is reliable - Academia.edu has a poor reputation. I am aware that this Wikipedia article has many unsourced, contradictory facts but that's not an excuse to include unverifiable, dubious;y sourced content in the infobox.--Obi2canibe (talk) 17:00, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi,

1. Many sources used on Wikipedia are behind a paywall. Academia.edu requires a free account, I don't see how this is an issue for verifiability.

2. Academia.edu is where the paper is hosted. The source is the author. And as mentioned it seems he is reliable in his domain.

3. Ethnologue (the best reference in linguistics) will include these figures, based on this paper, in its next edition (source).

4. In any case, MURUGAIYAN's paper was also published on an open access database: https://hal.inria.fr/hal-01194360 . So it's impossible to say that the source is not verifiable. It was originally published in an academic book by a recognized publishing group: (Appasamy Murugaiyan. Le tamoul. Georg Kremnitz. Histoire sociale des langues de France, Presses Universitaires de Rennes, pp.881-889, 2013, 978-2-7535-2723-é. ffhal-01194360f ). So it's reliable.

There is therefore no reason not to mention these figures. I add them back right now. A455bcd9 (talk) 01:03, 8 November 2021 (UTC)