Talk:The Walt Disney Company/Archive/2022

DisneyMustPay

This is a high-profile campaign, since it was discovered Disney were not paying authors like Alan Dean Foster. Shouldn't there be a controversies section that at least mentions this? Further info: https://www.sfwa.org/disney-must-pay/ https://www.theguardian.com/books/2021/apr/28/disneymustpay-authors-form-task-force-missing-payments-star-wars-alien-buffy https://www.writersmustbepaid.org/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.35.40.230 (talk) 18:24, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

I added a section on [Disney Must Pay], which Trivialist objected to as WP:UNDUE, which I can't really argue with as the sole mainstream source was Guardian and no other mainstream publications have picked up on it. Had there been additional sources or continuing coverage, that would give it more weight, but the American media in particular has failed to mention it. I set up news alerts for "disney must pay", but haven't gotten any results that show continuing coverage. Schazjmd (talk) 18:33, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

Agreed. We should wait for multiple, reliable outlets to pick up on this. If Disney is taking the steps it should be taking to resolve these issues privately, then they are quelling the chance it becomes a big story, hence the reason it probably hasn't yet. So right now, it's just a flash in the pan not worthy of encyclopedic coverage. --GoneIn60 (talk) 22:11, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 12 January 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. WP:SNOW close. (closed by non-admin page mover) Calidum 05:27, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

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The Walt Disney Company → Disney – Disney is the most common name for the company. Pixar Animation Studios was renamed to Pixar because it's the clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, so why doesn't Disney get renamed to The Walt Disney Company? pageviews of "Disney" clearly show this is the common name for this company, so what's with the long name? Lallint⟫⟫⟫Talk 22:14, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Oppose — The full name of the company is required because just "Disney" can refer to multiple things—the company, Walt Disney himself, one of the company's divisions, etc. "Pixar" is a coined name that has only ever referred to that company, so there's no need for a more specific name. Trivialist (talk) 23:01, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Oppose — 'Reference to 'Walt Disney' is still used in many situations such as their logo, whilst the change for Pixar, Pixar doesn't really use the words animation studios prominently on their logo or elsewhere so the change made sense. Reference to Walt Disney Pictures or Walt Disney Animation studios is still common. FeWorld (talk) 23:34, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Oppose move. The current title is the most natural disambiguation for the company. O.N.R. ^(talk) 00:19, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose Disney can also refer to Walt Disney himself, Disney Parks, and anything related to the company. 125.167.59.206 (talk) 00:59, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose per the above arguments. Disney doesn't just refer to the company; Disney is a brand, a place (the name on its own refers to the parks), and arguably a genre. Changing Disney on Wikipedia to only refer to the company ignores what else Disney can mean, and creating *Disney (Disambiguation)* makes it so that the corporate identity is the dominant identity, even though only those interested in corporate America would find it useful. Even The Walt Disney Company's usage of internet domains marks a divide between Disney for consumers and Disney the company; disney.com is the website for the fans while Disney's more corporate website is thewaltdisneycompany.com. InvadingInvader (talk) 03:16, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose as noted by others above, the words "The Walt Disney Company" are prominently displayed on the company's logo, its corporate website, and press releases. I will also point out that Disney and The Walt Disney Company have separate Twitter accounts, cementing the former name's status as a brand and the latter as a company. InfiniteNexus (talk) 03:32, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

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Company name

Why Disney does not have Inc. or LLC on its corporate name? Why not they proposed name change from The Walt Disney Company to Disney, Inc. or Disney, LLC? Is anyone can give explanation about this mattter?–118.100.215.196 (talk) 02:48, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

A lot of it depends on the laws of the state in which the business is organized and the type of company that the business is. In this case, The Walt Disney Company is a corporation formed under the laws of Delaware. Delaware law allows corporations to use the term "Company" instead of "Inc." Other states have different requirements in their laws.

If you have additional questions about businesses (or anything else), you will probably get faster/better answers if you ask the question at the Wikipedia:Reference desk. Technically, talk pages are meant only to discuss improving articles. Thanks, Aoi (青い) (talk) 07:55, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

"Disney'" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Disney' and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 May 2#Disney' until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. - CHAMPION ^{(talk) (contributions) (logs)} 02:20, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

Disney eras

Some of the eras may not have official names, but I think some of them are definitely what people call them. I think it is definitely the the silver age as Vulture, Collider, Screen Rant, Den of Geek, Movieweb, Inverse, Deseret News, This book, and many other books all call it that. The same Collider and Movieweb sources as well as a Screen Rant source call it the bronze age which I can see why it wouldnt be used because it doesnt have as much sources. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 12:53, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

What "some people" call different periods is not sufficient for naming "eras." Something like "Disney Renaissance" is at least widely used; the others are arbitrarily chosen. Trivialist (talk) 14:46, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

Alright then I guess its just WP:FANCRUFT ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 15:42, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 May 2022

“Julie Roberts” is listed as Mary Poppins in the late 50’s-early 60’s section of the history. Mary Poppins was played my Julie Andrews, not Julie Roberts. 2601:282:167F:6F60:89AF:5215:DF2F:387 (talk) 02:08, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

 Done Thank you for catching that error. Aoi (青い) (talk) 02:26, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 July 2022

I suggest in the line "The Walt Disney Company, commonly known as Disney (/ˈdɪzni/),[3] is an American multinational mass media and entertainment conglomerate headquartered at the Walt Disney Studios complex in Burbank, California." we put well known before "American" Tvshowoflife (talk) 22:30, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. That doesn't seem to be an improvement. Well known is pretty weaselly, and unnecessary. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 22:41, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 July 2022 (2)

Walt Disney Comapny has had cases about pedophilia and crimes against children, see this soruces; 201.188.154.213 (talk) 23:55, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Aoi (青い) (talk) 00:00, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 July 2022

Change [19] “Disney would go ONE to make several cartoons featuring Mickey and other characters.

To [19] Disney would go on to make several cartoons featuring Mickey and other characters. 2601:184:302:9310:F13C:6086:6EC7:3B88 (talk) 00:43, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

 Done thank you for catching one of my errors ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 02:14, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 August 2022

I am the great grandson of Brown Ellis who is the bank owner that funded Disney fully and also founded the Walt Disney Company with Roy and Walt. I am The Walt Disney Company's owner, Robert Shane Ellis and above Bob Chapek. Verify with Kathleen Kennedy (bsiberell@caa.com, bvinokour@caa.com, kathleen.kennedy@disney.com), Bob Chapek (robert.chapek@disney.com), my father Tom Ellis (te2211@yahoo.com, 818 266 4724), and Sean Bailey (sean.bailey@disney.com). In the past we've gotten a lunch together to have it updated before, my grandfather died let's get lunch together again. It used to say Owen Ellis as owner, in addition also to Brown Ellis and Roy and Walt Disney as the founders.

Add Brown Ellis as a founder. Add Robert Shane Ellis as "Sole-Owner and Top" of the Walt Disney Companies.

Robert Shane Ellis 626 234 0612 Ownerrobertellis (talk) 06:59, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. 💜  melecie  talk - 10:18, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 September 2022

There is a typo in the "1984–2005: Michael Eisner's leadership, the Disney Renaissance, merger, and acquisitions" section, where it says "In 1986, the company changed its name from Walt Disney Productions to its current name The Walt Disney Company, statomh that the old name only referred to the film industry." "stating" has been misspelled.

InsertWikiUsername (talk) 16:12, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

References

 Done ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:57, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Wow I screwed up bad lol. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 22:51, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Proposing to revert problematic edits back to last good version on 30 April 2022

I have been too busy this summer with my litigation work and other personal and Wikipedia priorities to pay attention to the evolution of this article. Last Sunday, while stuck at John Wayne Airport en route home from my third D23 Expo (yes, I just returned from Anaheim), I noticed that a large number of edits over the last few months (primarily by User:Kaleeb18 plus a few others) have introduced numerous problems into this article. Therefore, I propose to revert back to the last good version on 30 April 2022.

First, nearly all of those edits duplicate information which is already adequately summarized elsewhere on Wikipedia in more depth and in better-written prose. For example, the history of the animation studio is adequately covered at Walt Disney Animation Studios, and the history of Walt Disney's career is adequately covered in the article on the man himself. There is no need to repeat such detail here. This is an encyclopedia article, meaning that it should cover the topic at a fairly high level of generality, and then readers can follow hyperlinks to other topics for additional detail on those topics. That's especially true of a topic as broad as the Walt Disney Company. Wikipedia is not a textbook. We have Wikibooks for people who want to write their own in-depth books about the Walt Disney Company.

Second, those edits introduced several hundred mechanical and stylistic errors. I am counting, on average, one error per sentence, which is unacceptable.

Here is the current second paragraph of the article as it stands on 17 September 2022:

"After becoming majorly successful by the early 1950s, the company started to diversify into live-action films, television, and theme parks. Following Walt's death in 1966, the company's profits began to decline, especially in the animation division. Once Disney's shareholders voted in Michael Eisner as the head of the company in 1984, the studio began to see an overwhelming amount of success during a period called the Disney Renaissance. In 2005, under new CEO Bob Iger, the company started to expand and acquire other corporations. Bob Chapek became head of Disney in 2020 after Iger's retirement."

I knew by the time I was seven or eight years old that "majorly" is not the correct inflection of the word "major". The correct phrasing would be "after becoming a major success by the early 1950s," which is still historically wrong because the company was already successful by the early 1940s (after Snow White). The company's flagship animation studio was the "animation department," not "division", before the 1986 corporate reorganization. The last three sentences are grammatically correct but stylistically clumsy. The correct stylistic approach is as follows: "After Michael Eisner became CEO in 1984, the company's animation studio enjoyed a sustained period of spectacular success called the Disney Renaissance. In 2005, under Eisner's successor Bob Iger, the company started to expand through acquisitions of other large media corporations. Bob Chapek became the current CEO in 2020 after Iger's retirement."

That's just one paragraph. There are several dozen broken paragraphs like this throughout the article. No one has the 100 hours of free time it would take to fix this train wreck. As an experienced WP editor (coming up on 18 years of experience), I have seen bad editors ruin many good WP articles in similar fashion and it takes, on average, three to five years for everyone else to clean up their mess. I propose to take the shortcut of simply reverting back to the last good version of this article that was in reasonably good shape on 30 April 2022. Any objections? --Coolcaesar (talk) 19:44, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

I note for the record that no one has objected to a wholesale revert. Here are some additional issues I've spotted in the current version of the article that justify a wholesale revert:

• Erratic verb tense: swerving wildly between past, present, and future from one sentence to the next (and sometimes within the same sentence) with no rhyme or reason.
• So many run-on sentences I lost count after 10. Stacking verb clauses like that is legal in many languages. But not American English.
• No sense of grammatical number. For example, repeated use of the singular "guest" where plural "guests" should have been used.
• Bad prepositions (should be "at the box office" when referring to financial performance, not "in the box office")
• Gross oversimplification. The multiplane camera is quite a bit more than "pieces of glass with drawings on them set at different distances". This sounds like it was written by someone who has never seen a multiplane camera in person. (I have seen in person two of the three surviving multiplane cameras, in Burbank and San Francisco.)
• Sloppy word choices that betray a lack of understanding of the subtle distinctions between various sound-alike words. For example, "personnel" and "personal" are not the same thing.
• Excessively wordy phrasing, such as "Its staff in the field of animation" when "Its animation staff" is sufficient.
• Slam-dunk obviously incorrect factual statements. For example, it is obviously wrong to say that Eisner made Disney into a major film studio "again". He made it into a major film studio for the first time.

Right now, my plan for the revert (whenever I get around to it) is to first revert back to the last good version on April 30, 2022, then update the article with salvaged portions of the current text such as current financial data and a few of the more interesting and properly sourced facts which had been added to the article after April 30. --Coolcaesar (talk) 01:22, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

@Coolcaesar: I'm sorry I haven't gotten around to this. Surely there is a better way of going about this instead of reverting it almost completely back. I worked on this article over the entire summer, adding good quality reliable sources to it. I am willing to work to fix the grammar problems and other things. Please give it a chance instead of just reverting it. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 12:36, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 May 2022

In the highest grossing films section frozen gross $1.290 billion not $1.276 billion

and the lion king 2019 is the highest grossing animated film not frozen 2

 Not done. This is a mess. oknazevad (talk) 10:29, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 30 December 2022

114.75.146.6 

Mind if I just edit some things in the article, I just want to add a little bit more.

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Lemonaka (talk) 11:03, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

I just wanna add some additional info about Disney (particularly on the Legacy section), Not much else. (talk) 11:07, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

You need to make specific requests here. And a more general point — I’ve looked through your contributions - adding information with “citation needed” tags is not appropriate. If you are adding information, it’s up to you to add references. Mark83 (talk) 15:26, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Concur with both points. It can be a huge hassle to find references sometimes, but Wikipedia has to be really strict now with these policies because we have had too many problems with people adding unsourced misinformation in the past. --Coolcaesar (talk) 16:58, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Removed text

CC-BY-SA: text below copied from the article; see the article's history for full attribution. I've removed this paragraph because it it largely off-topic; this article is about the company; descriptions of the park should go in Disneyland or one of its satellite articles. I'm leaving it here for the benefit of future editors, and in case its removal breaks any named references.

They designed the park to have guests enter into Main Street U.S.A., themed to resemble American small towns during the early 20th Century based largely off of Walt's hometown in Marceline, Missouri, and walk down the street into the central hub, from which different themed lands branched out. At the end of the street in the central hub, would be a 77 ft (23 m) tall Sleeping Beauty Castle inspired by the Neuschwanstein Castle in Germany and based on the castle from the Disney film of the same name, which would be released four years later. The four original different themed lands of the park that branched out from the hub would consist of Frontierland, themed to the American Frontier of the 19th century; Adventureland, resembling a wild tropical jungle; Fantasyland, based on Disney's animated fairy tale films; and Tomorrowland, depicting views of the future, especially that of the Space Age. In total, by the time the park opened, it cost the company $17 million to construct.

References

Cheers, Baffle☿gab 23:02, 31 December 2022 (UTC)