Talk:Toast (food)

Just bread?

DFoat Let's face it, it's just burnt bread! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.22.11.121 (talk) 12:24, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Yes but it's delicious so deal with it. Dsfhuwfhhfhfheuw (talk) 09:06, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

CMT

Why no discussion of Heywood Bank's famous song (here: http://www.comedyhome.com/index.cfm?fa=displayComedian&comedianID=1). It is, after all, the most famous song about toast I can think of. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.96.253.30 (talk • contribs) 20:18, 18 May 2006

But there's also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toast_(song) 188.31.67.212 (talk) 22:20, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Etymology

This section is in need of sources. The claims about Kohan Van Sambeeck and Beau Ward seem likely but somebody please double check. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.70.223.109 (talk • contribs) 11:16, 24 January 2007

Alex Keaton (Family Ties Movie - Michael J. Fox) jokes about toast being invented in England by Alfred Toast. :) --Emana (Talk)

History

In the early parts of the 20th Century, the concept of toast was introduced to Western Culture by the Dutch scientist and anthropologist Sir Kohan van Sambeeck. Van Sambeeck was intrigued by the concept of toasting white in order for it to better sustain spreads such as butter and jam. There is some controversy about whether or not Van Sambeeck invented toast or merely popularized it. It is often thought that Dr. Hugh Spencer, a British anthrapologist and student of John Black (Venda Ethnomusicology) but the sources on this information are flawed. It is most probable that they collaborated for this, as Van Sambeeck lived in Britain at the same time as Dr. Spencer.

Currency

Toast isn't strictly a currency in Holland, is it? I thought they used the Gilder. DavidFarmbrough 12:00, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

I think a citation might just be necessary for that claim that eating it makes your nose longer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.179.108.251 (talk • contribs) 23:23, 10 October 2006

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What a weak article. It should be added that toast contains butter or margarine, while most other bread does not. Warm butter sticks fine to unroasted toast while butter on roasted toast tends to melt and slip off, thus a silly claim in the first sentence. --Echosmoke 01:53, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Are you insane? What is unroasted toast? Do you mean bread or do you mean toast and in which case what the hell is roasted toast? And toast is still toast without butter or margarine not to mention those are often spread on bread too. I'm very confused by you.

Liam Markham (talk) 12:39, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Toastrecipes.com

Any thoughts on the addition or removal of toastrecipes.com? It keeps being replaced and I'm in favour of removing/leaving it out permanently. WLU 16:51, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

WLU, I would tend to agree with you there, sure toast is mentioned, but it is not a "linkable resource", that is my opinion only. Trumpy (talk) 06:00, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

External Links

The art of eating toast? I don't see how that helps an encyclopedia at all, so it's been removed. ~ Giggy! ^Talk _Contribs ^{About Me} _{To Do List} 23:41, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Normally I'm death on EL, but that one I like in the article. It's the BBC, it's well written, it's got some weird stuff in it. Whimsical, but fun. If there is room for voting, mine is to keep it, though I acknowledge that I'd be hard pressed to justify it via WP:EL--WLU 15:03, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

I love Douglas Adams too, but I still think that information could just be incorporated into the article, thus not breaking WP:EL. I've removed it unless someone can produce more relevant links. ~ Giggy! ^Talk _Contribs 05:20, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Who here thinks free toast should be merged onto this page? A2Z123 17:17, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Let me guess, another sock puppet belonging to the Free Toast nutter? Will2710 17:49, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't think I am a nutter, I think you are a power-crazed cyber-dictator. What do you say to that? A2Z123 10:09, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Do you?

I saw a lot of wikipedians were complaining about 'free toast.' To satisfy these nutters, why don't we just incorporate the free toast article into the toast article. Surely, that would make everyone happy. That way, we can shut them up, too. Dominic120 15:33, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

My reason for opposing it is that it's strictly non-encyclopaedic and doesn't add anything of any value to the article. Will2710|^Talk! 15:54, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Buttered toast?

Looked more like a memorial in Germany to me. Did this really get overlooked for half a year? Willpower 20:13, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

I've been having trouble where a user uploaded an image to Wikipedia with the same name as one on Commons - I'm inclined to think that something similar has happened here. I'm sure I would have spotted it otherwise. →Ollie (talk • contribs) 22:11, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

That seemed the most likely explanation to me. Still, funny. Willpower 22:22, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Beans on toast

This has to be mentioned somewhere, given that (baked) beans on toast is incredibly popular in the UK, vastly more so than peanut butter on toast, but I can't decide where best to put it, so I'll mention it here and let someone more skilled decide! 86.132.141.134 16:55, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Haqvin like da toast. It be god — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.10.185.141 (talk) 14:24, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

On one side

Sting says "I like my toast done on one side". How exactly is it done? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Doktor (talk • contribs) 20:03, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, it could technically be done with an old-fashioned toaster, which held bread as it was rotated over a fire. Willpower 03:38, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Or you just put it under a grill. Not rocket science, really. Will2710|^Talk! 14:25, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Heh heh Will2710 - miaou! Tpacw (talk) 15:31, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Criticism?

Because toast is effectively bread cooked twice, doesn't that contribute to global warming? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.157.145.228 (talk) 10:40, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

what the hell 24.36.9.241 (talk) 20:35, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

How exactly is it cooked twice?

Sure bread is cooked when it is originally baked, but with toasting it, you are only browning it. Trumpy (talk) 05:48, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Toast and theophany

Remember that one time a few years ago when the Virgin Mary appeared on a piece of toast? And various parodies ensued. I can probably find a reference. Would it be a good idea to incorporate information about this apparition into the article?--The Fat Man Who Never Came Back 01:44, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

The virgin Mary has been seen in just about ever kind of food under the sun. I don't think it's that notable really. Liam Markham (talk) 12:45, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't think that's strictly true. Except for one time in a grilled cheese sandwich - which may be the instance the young gentleman is referring to - I can't think of any other, and I don't think it's right to imply that the Virgin Mary is some kind of food whore. That being said, I'm not sure that the toast apparition belongs in this article, in Virgin Mary, or whatever. If there is a separate article on appearances of the Virgin Mary it should go there, but I don't know if there is. It might belong in this article. Herostratus (talk) 16:48, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

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Intro to the page

This intro is in dire need of some more information. Considering the entire article seems to focus on toast being a form of bread, I see no reason why we shouldn't mention that in the intro. Specifically, I'd like to see something like "Toast refers to bread that has been exposed to large quantities of heat, and undergoes a process known as the Maillard reaction, darkening and hardening it." Something along those lines. I'm not sure why the Maillard reaction was removed from the article, as it plays a key part in the process of toasting. TVK (talk) 03:43, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Currently the the intro is "Toast is the name for anything that has undergone the process known as toasting." would you call a banana that has undergone the toasting process toast? Needs to be changed to reflect the content of the article, and and my changes keep getting reverted as vandalism. 69.209.100.33 (talk) 00:00, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out. It was the result of some leftover vandalism from about a week ago. --Onorem♠Dil 00:08, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Butter Side Down

There should be some mention of the whole "toast lands butter-side down" myth, since its relevant to toast. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.69.62.233 (talk) 22:15, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

I don't believe it's a myth - I read in a New Scientist once there'd been an experiment on it. There are several websites but I believe the best way to prove or disprove something is to go out, experiment, and then decide whether it is right using an H null hypothesis and standard normal curve. Whilst eating the toast. TBL (talk) 00:24, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

It is a simple law of physics, that something heavier on one side, will land with the heaviest side down, as much of a nuisance as it is. Please learn to keep your buttered toast firmly under control until eaten! Trumpy (talk) 05:51, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

It's not a law of physics! I believe it is simply due to the height of most tables being about right for the appropriate number of rotations for a knocked slice of toast. — BobQQ (talk) 14:21, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

The original Comfort Food

People have been eating toast for centuries. And what better food to eat?, it has fibre, real taste and it is enjoyable, even in times of hardship, toast is there. Trumpy (talk) 05:56, 1 September 2009 (UTC) ALL TOASTERS SOAT TOAST —Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.72.97.82 (talk) 16:48, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Strange claims with no sources

This article currently contains some strange claims such as the claim that toast is the reason that bread can be purchased sliced. If this is indeed true it needs a source.

There is a lot of unsourced opinion throughout, for example:

"In a modern kitchen, the usual method of toasting bread....."

"Toast is most commonly eaten with butter or margarine spread over it"

"Owing to the dryness and neutrality of toast, most food products that are high-fat or high-flavor are compatible with it"

"Toast is an important component of many breakfasts"

I suggest either a neutral re-write or the addition of sources and statistics. I have made no change as this page is semi-protected. Another anonymous me (talk) 14:27, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Soldiers ?

"Soldiers (food)" leads here, but there is not even a mentioning of it.--Cyberman TM (talk) 09:59, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Good catch, thank you Cyberman. I have rectified this oversight. Herostratus (talk) 17:19, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Plausible claims with no sources

My edit "A small-scale study at Durham University in the early 1990s revealed that the optimum setting for any correctly calibrated toaster is π (approximately 3.14)." which I added in good faith was correctly reverted by Nath1991 for having no citation.

Unfortunately the study was very small-scale and was never published in a recognised academic journal, and as such I suspect this particularly useful piece of information will have to remain in the minds of those who conducted the research until such time as further research can be carried out. For information, in case anyone is planning to try and reproduce the results of the initial study, it was carried out between October 1991 and June 1993 on a wide variety of toasting devices including the humble domestic two-slice, a semi-professional Dualit four-slice (with manual riser), grilling trays both in conventional ovens and underneath single Belling hobs, and even on catering-grade devices such as the roller-toaster. In every case it was found that setting the control dial to π (approximately 3.14) resulted in a level of browning which was acceptable to the greatest proportion of consumers [[[User:Bat400|Bat400]] (talk) 15:45, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

It's hard to to take this very seriously. Looking at my toaster (granted this is WP:OR, the settings run 0-9 and around 6 or 7 works about right; 3.14 would scarcely warm the bread. And what happens if someone makes a toaster that goes up to 11? We don't want discourage advances in Toast Science, but we want to be conservative here. Herostratus (talk) 18:56, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Delete the "cultural references"

A list of songs that mention toast? Please remove this. The page is locked so I can't wipe this ridiculous nonsense straight away. 2.123.136.161 (talk) 12:36, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

I agree it's silly. A list of songs, poems, etc. that mention "toast" could be exceedingly long. On the other hand, the idea that someone used actual toast as a musical instrument makes me smile. Jonathunder (talk) 15:59, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Well, the first one is OK, since the song was actually called "Toast" and they did use toast as an instrument (for some reason this has not caught on with major orchestras though). The other two just mention toast in the lyrics, so agree with the two above editors that that's pretty trivial and I removed them. BTW David Letterman had a tagline "Time flies when you're having toast" and I think he (or maybe it was Bud Mellman) introduced the world to Toast on a Stick®. Whether those are notable I don't know. Probably not and anyway I don't have a ref. But they do highlight that, for some reason, toast is funny. I don't know why. But if there were examples like those to bring this out it might be worthwhile. Herostratus (talk) 04:51, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Start a website if you want to collect funny trivia on toast. This is Wikipedia. Wikipedia:TRIVIA 2.123.136.161 (talk) 21:22, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I agree that the article should focus on the scholarly aspects of toast, toast science, and the influence of toast on history. I'm just saying that the complex cultural ecology of toast has devolved such that toast is funny. But right, we should find or wait for scholarly confirmation of this and not engage in original research. Herostratus (talk) 03:40, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Delete this crapolla, now the article is locked. This "pop" culture grabage is becoming an epidemic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.132.85.195 (talk) 22:04, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

It's Patented

Toasting bread appears to be patented: http://www.google.com/patents/US6080436 (probably as a joke, or a political statement). It seems like this should be mentioned in the article somewhere, somehow. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BrainSlugs83 (talk • contribs) 22:05, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

If I'm reading it right, it says "setting the temperature of the heating elements between 2500 F. and 4500 F." for up to 90 seconds. That's pretty hot; I know my toaster doesn't go nearly that high, as 4500 Farenheit is about halfway between room temperature and the temperature of the surface of the sun. 90 seconds at that temperature would result in some pretty crispy toast, I guess. Something's fishy. Herostratus (talk) 03:45, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Cinnamon Toast

Cinnamon toast redirects here, but there is no mention of it in the article. I suggest that it should be added as way that toast can be prepared. Cinnamon toast is pretty ubiquitous in the US, so much so that there is a cereal named after it. 216.188.226.92 (talk) 01:58, 1 June 2015 (UTC)Margargaret

References

This is certainly an obvious oversight. The history of cinnamon toast is actually (somewhat) interesting.

E.g: "recipes" dating back to the 15th century

• Olver, Lynne (15 January 2015). "The Food Timeline: history notes--bread". www.foodtimeline.org. Retrieved 20 November 2017.
• Matterer, James L. "Medieval Recipe Translations - Pokerounce". www.godecookery.com. Retrieved 20 November 2017.

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Cultural References

Although reference to the 1984 Ghostbusters line may be well known and quotable, I can hardly believe it is the first Pop Culture reference to the expression "you're toast" or "he/she's toast." If it had been, I suspect its comedic impact would have fallen flat, and audiences would have likely been left confused by it's use. Clearly that did not happen, as observed by this first hand witness during such a great movie. Lines like these do not get inserted into mainstream movies unless there is already at least some level of general use in the populous. I'm not exactly sure how to verify when it actually may have originated in early pop culture, but clearly it was in use before this 1984 summer blockbuster. SquashEngineer (talk) 19:01, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

Arbitrary Measurements

New around here but this simple thing is what has caused me to make an account after many long years.

The sentance at the top of the article stating "about 1 inch" seems rather arbitrary if not just plain wrong, I dont know if other people are predisposed to extra thick toast, but ive PERSONALLY never had toast with inch thick bread and believe that most standardly sliced bread is more like .24 to .33 inches if anything. Safe to remove? Goldfishx (talk) 04:45, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

I agree that it should be removed, considering that right now, the number says 1/2 inch specifically. I just feel like toast is toasted bread, and that the definition probably shouldn't hinge on specific numbers. It's possible to toast bread that isn't [insert arbitrary number here] thick. Radioactivated (talk) 14:26, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

English "Brown Toast"

This article needs a lot of help, to cover cross-cultural variations. In England "Brown Toast" is a common expression, but Americans do not understand the meaning. In America, toast is a breakfast side dish, and expected to be warm. In England, it is more serious stand-alone food, possibly not very warm, and suitable for eating any time of day. This source seems helpful:

• www.bbcamerica.com/anglophenia/2013/06/the-cultural-divide-brits-vs-americans-on-toast

The Cultural Divide: Brits vs. Americans on Toast

Anglophenia By James Bartlett

The article currently mentions toast in other countries yet seems to be primarily written from an American perspective on the subject. Please add to the article if you understand various cultural specifics of toast in different countries.-71.174.185.30 (talk) 03:07, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

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• Toast → Toast (food)
• Toast (disambiguation) → Toast

– Per historical significance and pageviews, it is unclear whether the article about the food (currently at Toast) or Toast (honor) is the primary topic for the word "toast". Steel1943 (talk) 18:14, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

• Unsure - I'm building a Google Ngram to search for usage, and so far it shows the food way ahead of the honor (hit the blue button when you get there). -- Netoholic @ 20:25, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
  • ​Interesting. Thanks for the effort here. —  AjaxSmack  00:41, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose I am unconvinced the honor is an equally popular search term as the food._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 13:00, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose - Whilst Toast (honor) is commonly used I would say by a long mile the food Toast is the most known and pretty much the PRIMARYTOPIC here. –Davey2010^Talk 22:50, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose. This is the primary topic. Rreagan007 (talk) 21:35, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

• Support per nom. Toast (honor) is of wider geographical and cultural significance and has more encyclopedic heft than caramelized bread. —  AjaxSmack  00:41, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose per above, but Toast (honor) should be mentioned in the hatnote. power~enwiki (π, ν) 01:34, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

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To give a Toast

Why isn't the culture of giving a toast not mentioned here? Fspade (talk) 21:44, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

Because this article ia about toasted bread, not about all possible meanings of the word "toast". If you consult Toast (disambiguation) (as suggested right at the top of this article) you will find the article you want is Toast (honor).-- Dr Greg  talk  23:27, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

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• Toast → Toast (food)
• Toast (disambiguation) → Toast

– Current primary topic (the food item) does not get a majority of the pageviews. Toast (honor) also has considerable long-term significance. Overall, it would seem to be a case of WP:NOPRIMARY. 162.208.168.92 (talk) 22:21, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

• Pageviews here. 162.208.168.92 (talk) 22:21, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
• Support Clearly no primary topic—blindlynx (talk) 15:24, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
• Support per nom. The two are incredibly close in pageviews (one could possibly assume some of the pageviews on the food's page are just typing in "Toast" looking for the page on Toast (honor)). They're close enough that there's no primary topic between the two, though. Move dab page to basename. Paintspot Infez (talk) 18:20, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
• Support - No primary topic, and people are probably more likely to be looking for information about speeches than about grilled bread. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 06:13, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
• Support no evidence that is is primary over Toast (honor) and both terms also have comparable longterm significance so the common debate regarding WP:Recentism doesn’t apply.--67.70.101.238 (talk) 20:25, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
• I'd note that the food appears the origin of most of the other uses if not all (including the honor) and the food gets the most views and probably has more long-term significance than the honor though I'm not convinced the food is much more common though. Crouch, Swale (talk) 10:20, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

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Lead - Undue weight

IMO the lead could do with some cleanup - it feels like it gives a bit too much weight to the acrylamide and carcinogenic effects of it - sure, toast is baked, and therefore is a risk of it, but does it really need to be in the opening paragraph?

Feels like it should just be kept to the "health concerns" section (which itself could do with a rewrite honestly). I would be bold but want some opinions before I go ahead.

(Sidenote - lede or lead?) Couruu (talk) 13:11, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

I agree that considering the 'health concerns' section is a mere three lines long, the issue looms too large in the lead (lede is used by some editors and the MoS acknowledges this usage, but hardly encouarges it). Sbishop (talk) 15:08, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

'Perfect Toast'

Assuming that this will get added back in - wanted to foreground that there's no scientific study about the 'perfect toast.' This seems to be a marketing stunt by Vogel's bread that has percolated into the record by dint of being published an actual study by the daily mail and then bounced through different layers and sources.

To wit; Dom Lane/'Perfect Toast' - this person + study does not seem to exist, there is no link to the original report, and this is a marketing stunt by Vogel's bread.

The earliest reference to this is in in 2011 in a daily mail article - but there's no corresponding report - and it's framed material released by Vogel's. Dom Lane does not exist as a scholarly author but *is* there is a marketer by the same name, with some experience in food branding coinciding with the original marketing campaign.

An example of Don Lane's other brand related work - at the same time, and in same orbit - here, as "cheese launched into space."

180.150.38.198 (talk) 09:27, 5 February 2024 (UTC)