Talk:Vanita Jagdeo Borade

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The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 08:03, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

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Vanita Jagdeo Borade receiving the Nari Shakti Puraskar

• ... that the president of India gave Vanita Jagdeo Borade (pictured) an award this year, for her work, which included rescuing over 50,000 snakes? Source: She was recognised for creating a foundation for protecting wildlife and the environment and for rescuing and returning 50,000 snakes to their natural habitat
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Mary Healy (theologian)
  • Comment: Women's History Month. If you find an error then please fix it.

Created by Mujinga (talk) and Victuallers (talk). Nominated by Victuallers (talk) at 15:10, 12 March 2022 (UTC).

• Slightly tweaked blurb. Joofjoof (talk) 02:17, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
  • ALT0a... that the president of India gave Vanita Jagdeo Borade (pictured) an award this year for her conservation work, which included rescuing over 50,000 snakes? Source: She was recognised for creating a foundation for protecting wildlife and the environment and for rescuing and returning 50,000 snakes to their natural habitat

alt0a is fine. Victuallers (talk) 11:11, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

The article was created two days prior to being nominated, so it counts as new. At around 1900 characters, it is also long enough. The article appears to be neutral and is free of copyright violation issues according to Earwig's Copyvio Detector. One paragraph is unsourced, which makes for a large portion of the article in relation to its overall size. The content of this paragraph also seems to stray away from the subject of the article. These issues have to be addressed.
The hooks are concise, interesting, and sourced, but for some reason the fact is repeated twice in the article. I recommend cutting out the repetition. The word "president" should not be capitalized; see MOS:JOBTITLES.
The article currently contains one image too many relative to its size, leading to the contravention of MOS:SANDWICH. While not a deal-breaker, I recommend removing one image to make the article layout more presentable. In my opinion the portrait with the snake would make a fine lead (and hook) image given that it illustrates what the subject is known for, but I see no indication that its copyright belongs to the Government of India, i.e. that it is free to use on Wikipedia. This must also be clarified. Surtsicna (talk) 19:18, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

The paragraph source and repeated hook have been addressed. Joofjoof (talk) 01:51, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

I would like to request that the word "must" should not be used so freely in reviews. The image has not been clarified even though it "must" be. It has been removed instead.... and MOS:sandwich is suddenly a DYK requirement?? which "must" be addressed presumably. The word "must" does not encourage collaboration. We are improving Wikipedia because we want to (not because we "must"). Victuallers (talk) 16:23, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

I must say I do not understand the defensiveness. Improving Wikipedia is not a must, but neither is passing a DYK review. There certainly are things that must be done for an article to appear on the Main Page. WP:DYKRULES uses "must" 18 times. One of those musts is that the nominated article must meet Wikipedia's copyright policy. Removing the image is fine as far as DYK is concerned. MOS:SANDWICH was not cited as a requirement. I was very clear about it not being a deal-breaker. Surtsicna (talk) 21:43, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

I feel that there is a growing tendency to assert when a request is more than adequate and a quick change to the text is ideal. The reviewer is not "in charge" but a collaborator. I am not defending the article or myself or fellow contributors but I'm trying to prevent reviews turning into trials. (or attacking you!) The process does need to be defended. There is no "must" as we can all walk away. I much prefer to see errors fixed rather than listed, you may feel that changing President to president is important to itemise but I'd encourage anyone to just fix it. Victuallers (talk) 09:58, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

I understand now what you mean. I much prefer making the changes myself, but very often the major contributor feels a tad bit possessive so with some things I try to suggest first. Surtsicna (talk) 17:49, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Review requested please. This is an interesting lady who I think should be on the main page. Cheers Victuallers (talk) 10:38, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Victuallers, I tried copyediting some parts of the article and feel it needs a sentence or a two more. DYKCheck currently says it has 1499 characters. If addressed, I might go ahead reviewing this nomination.─ The Aafī ^(talk) 00:22, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

TheAafi Thank you. Sorry it dipped to 1499, its now 1838. Victuallers (talk) 08:40, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

Victuallers, I again made some changes in the article and feel it is okay. It passes DYKCheck. No copyvio and no unreferenced stuff. The article was new enough at the time of nomination. QPQ provided. However I suggest a change in the hook. Are you happy with any of my suggested hooks? I'd be happy if you suggest some modifications?

• • ALT1... that Vanita Jagdeo Borade (pictured) received an award from the president of India for her conservation work, which included rescuing over 50,000 snakes?
  • ALT1a... that Vanita Jagdeo Borade (pictured) has been called the first snake rescuer woman?
  • ALT1b... that Vanita Jagdeo Borade (pictured) has been called "The Snake Woman" for rescuing over 50,000 snakes?

Thanks for your contributions. I have copyedited the hooks, but I'm fine with all/any of them. Let the picker pick Victuallers (talk) 20:11, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

This is good to go. I'm personally inclined towards Alt1b however I'm leaving the hook choice for promoter. ─ The Aafī ^(talk) 23:07, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

Victuallers, please while you upload the images on Commons again, please make sure you indicate the source explicitly. It took me several hours to verify ths image was legit because you hadn't indicated exact source (link). That said, the earlier reviewer's note is thus addressed and the DYK is completely okay and ready. ─ The Aafī ^(talk) 19:23, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

TheAafi Thank you for the review. I did make a mistake and I'm sure your advice to check to see if I have made a mistake may help me in the future. I'm sorry if it caused you a lot of work as the sources can be tricky to find. I appreciate that you perservered. Victuallers (talk) 21:46, 1 May 2022 (UTC)