Template:Did you know nominations/1982 World's Fair

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Z1720 (talk) 14:59, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

1982 World's Fair

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Fairgoers walking at the base of the Sunsphere, June 3, 1982

• ... that the city of Knoxville in the state of Tennessee hosted the 1982 World's Fair to an estimated 11 million visitors, making one of the most successful world's fairs in United States history? Source: World Class Politics: Knoxville's 1982 World's Fair, Redevelopment and the Political Process. Joe Gadd (1982)
  • ALT1: ... that touch-screen technology, pay-at-the-pump, cordless telephones, and Coca-Cola Cherry were all publicly unveiled at the 1982 World's Fair? Source:https://www.wbir.com/article/news/local/remembering-the-1982-worlds-fair/51-101289897 and This source

5x expanded by AppalachianCentrist (talk). Self-nominated at 16:36, 9 May 2022 (UTC).

• I suppose this is your first DYK entry, AppalachianCentrist. Welcome to DYK. I hope you enjoy it here. Unfortunately, the article that you put forward does not meet the DYK criteria. Please have a close look at the WP:DYKRULES. Under the eligibility criteria, you fall short of 1b and 2b. The former because your expansion started on 13 April, i.e. way outside the 7-day requirement. The latter because the expansion is just under a factor of two and not anywhere near the required factor of five. Under rule 2, you can also find links that work out article prose size for you. I hope this isn't too off-putting and we hope to see you nominate your next article soon. Maybe write a new one? Pro-tip: write articles (or expansions) in user space and once it's done, then publish it and nominate at DYK at the same time. That way you never get in trouble with the "new" requirement. Schwede66 21:16, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
  • @Schwede66: it does seem a little funky that we incentivize users to develop positive changes out of articlespace so that it can be done in less than a week... theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 18:48, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
    • : And I would say we should put this nomination on hold. The article was nominated for GAN minutes before making the DYK nomination. If GAN passes, it would be eligible. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 18:54, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
      • Fine by me but I note that it was nominated as 5-times expanded, not GAN. Schwede66 10:31, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
• Given that it's been a month without any progress on the GAN front (the article hasn't even been reviewed yet), the article can't be passed because it didn't meet expansion requirements. There is no prejudice against renominating for DYK if/when the GAN passes and I highly suggest to AppalachianCentrist to try again when that time comes. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:39, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
  • The GA review was opened on June 16. Let's hold off to see what kind of progress is made. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:30, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
• The GA review passed so this is ready for a new review. For DYK purposes this is now treated as a recently promoted GA rather than a 5x expansion, so if there are no remaining issues this should probably be ready. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:49, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
  • Note that a complete DYK review needs to be done, since a full review was not done previously. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:33, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
• I just love these World's Fair's. I have written articles about people who had their careers started because of participation in expositions like this. This fair is particularly interesting because of the technologies which were unveiled. All in all, a very informative history of the event. I prefer ALT1 as it is interesting to me, and I have added a reference for that hook in the nomination. The citations are inline and spot checking reveals that they are correct with the exceptions noted below. No QPQ is needed. From some cursory research it appears that the Sunsphere was copyrighted in 1982 but not renewed. There are many photos of it on commons, and I was curious to know if it is art or a building? Apparently it is a building because a restaurant is in there. We have FOP for buildings in the United States.

Some items to fix

1. One line in the intro are not supported in the body with references: It was the second World's Fair to be held in the state of Tennessee, with the first being the Tennessee Centennial Exposition of 1897, held in the state's capital, Nashville..
2. The term the edutainment-applied specialized exposition is used in the intro but not referenced in the body.
3. I think we have to use a different term than this colloquial term "chipping in" in this line Most of the KIEE's financial support came from the United States federal government, chipping in an estimated $44 million..
4. I think this conversion needs to be referenced A six-month pass to the fair sold for $100 (equivalent to $281 in 2021)..
5. The reference that follows this line does not support the sentence Panama never occupied its pavilion space, which was eventually occupied by a group of Caribbean island nations as Panama built another exhibit space than the one provided

Great article and hook, I think our readers will love it! Bruxton (talk) 16:03, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

• I've fixed and expanded the Panama section with more info on their no-show and also added an inflation citation. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 21:01, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
• @Bruxton: I've addressed the rest of your concerns. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 19:36, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the repairs. I forgot all about the nomination as time passed. The lead is quite long as it should be, and I realize we all do things a little different. I was keeping MOS:LEADCITE in mind. It is not gospel, but perhaps something to read over. Usually the lead summarizes and then the information is detailed and cited in body of the article. I can appreciate the amount of work it takes so satisfy a GA and a DYK nomination. I will not quibble over the format choices. ALT1 is still my choice for a hook. Bruxton (talk) 21:43, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

per the recent problem with "first" hooks, I think this needs a much better source than a local station. I see quite a few newspapers.com references to Cherry Coke pre-1982, and cordless telephones were alive and well beforehand. I don't think ALT1 holds up to scrutiny – local news outlets have a predisposition to claim more glory than they can get away with. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 10:23, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

The cherry coke statement is cited by TIME magazine. Here is a reference for the cordless telephone from the University of Tennessee. Thanks, Appalachian Centrist

• Nice and all, but if I can find references to those things before 1982, then those sources are clearly wrong. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 10:14, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

• theleekycauldron Official Coca-Cola Cherry is different from "cherry coke" before it which was regular Coca-Cola that had cherry flavoring added by independent vendors. Per this and this. SL93 (talk) 02:06, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
• The first reference here verifies it - " Yet the bottling company has never marketed its own version of the fountain concoction." "Now it has made a better-late-than-never decision to put cherry Coke in bottles and cans, in its first flavored variation of the soft drink. When the company measured the popularity of several cola mixtures at the 1982 Knoxville World's Fair, cherry was more popular than lemon-, lime- and vanilla-flavored Cokes." SL93 (talk) 02:09, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
• While there were cordless phones before 1982, the first digital cordless phone was introduced in 1982. SL93 (talk) 03:00, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

theleekycauldron AppalachianCentrist ALT1a ... that touch-screen technology, pay-at-the-pump, and Coca-Cola Cherry were all publicly unveiled at the 1982 World's Fair? I have been unable to find a reference stating "digital cordless phone" in relation to the state fair. SL93 (talk) 00:16, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Pay at the pump clip from the fair. Touchscreen in book. SL93 (talk) 00:28, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Pinging Bruxton. SL93 (talk) 00:30, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

I considered this: "And this was pretty amazing — you could actually make a telephone call from a car! Fair visitors were selected to try the technology out. "Hello, David. This is Mike. You ain't never going to believe where I am!" one visitor said to a friend over that car phone, much to the delight of the crowd that was gathered around. Bruxton (talk) 00:33, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

ALT1b ... that touch-screen technology, pay-at-the-pump, car phones, and Coca-Cola Cherry were all publicly unveiled at the 1982 World's Fair? SL93 (talk) 00:35, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Bruxton Hmmm. The article for car phone says, "This service originated with the Bell System and was first used in St. Louis on June 17, 1946." SL93 (talk) 00:37, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Pay at the pump says, "Pay at the pump was first invented in 1973 in Abilene, Texas, but did not take off until the 1980s."

• ALT2 ... that touch-screen technology, pay-at-the-pump, car phones, and Coca-Cola Cherry were shown at the 1982 World's Fair? SL93 (talk) 00:46, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

I can live with that. People will read the article and learn about it all. Bruxton (talk) 02:34, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

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