- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by BlueMoonset (talk) 20:26, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
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Afternoon
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... that in late afternoon (pictured), sunlight is particularly bright and glaring, because the sun is at a low angle in the sky?
- Reviewed: Not a self-nomination
Improved to Good Article status by Tezero (talk). Nominated by Oceanh (talk) at 22:48, 12 October 2014 (UTC).
I'm not so sure about the source cited for the hook. Google books will not bring up the entire page 172 of Shelter Management for Alleviation of Heat Stress in Cows and Buffaloes for my review, but what I can see doesn't mention anything about late afternoon glare or brightness, but something about harm to livestock maybe from heat. It seems an odd source for such a piece of information. The photo also shows a cloudy sky, not bright and glaring, so seems out of place. I'm a novice DYK reviewer, so defer to more experienced eyes for this one. Article was promoted to GA and is long enough, so passes on those accounts. I'm not clear why you don't need QPQ on this, but will review. —Gaff ταλκ 02:49, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
- I'm concerned about citing a fundamental fact about astronomy to a book on animal husbandry. Nonspecialist sources are full of misinformation of peripheral matters. EEng (talk) 03:02, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
Full review needed; the usual checks from size and newness to close paraphrasing don't seem to have been done. Original hook has been struck per EEng; ALT1 needs review. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:27, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
Reopened, reasons given at WT:DYK#Accident waiting to happen. Basically, the source is not about the agriculture industry, but a relatively small subset of it. Fram (talk) 09:47, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
- The following ALT hook was suggested by Crisco 1492 in the discussion on WT:DYK:
- ALT2:
... that there is no standard definition for when afternoon ends?
- ALT2:
- Reviewer needed to check ALT2 hook. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:40, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
- ALT2 is a great hook, but the article is saying that there's no standard definition for when evening begins. The source says nothing about afternoon. Both this and the next sentence in the article are cited to dictionary entries, which say much less than the article does. Yoninah (talk) 00:07, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
- Another idea, though it needs an inline cite:
- ALT3: ... that in humans, body temperature is typically highest during the mid- to late afternoon? Yoninah (talk) 00:15, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
- Was I tagged to validate these or something? They all sound fine. I apologize if the sources I used for the article aren't ideal; there aren't a whole lot of time-of-day GAs floating around so I had to play it by ear. Tezero (talk) 00:59, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
- @Tezero:, @Oceanh: I pinged you to see if you could add an inline citation for the ALT3 hook. Yoninah (talk) 09:33, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
- Thank you for working with this nomination. I agree that ALT2 is a great hook, if it could be cited appropriately. ALT3 is also interesting; again if it can be properly cited. Neither English terminology nor medical studies are among the kind of sources that I have broad access to or deep knowledge about, so I am afraid I can not easily provide further sources in these areas. Oceanh (talk) 22:43, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
- Sorry, slipped my mind. Added inline citation. Tezero (talk) 22:46, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
- Thank you for adding the cites. I still don't think that ALT2 works, even with a rewrite ("... that there is no standard definition for when afternoon ends and evening begins?") because the dictionary definition is only talking about evening. There is now an offline cite for ALT3. Calling for another reviewer to review that hook. Yoninah (talk) 23:49, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
I have to admit I did misread the hook context in my original review (discussion can be found here) but ALT3 seems okay. The source states: "Body temperature, measured immediately before the workout, exhibited the expected daily variation with a peak in the mid- to late afternoon." [1] It's also mentioned over at Human body temperature#Natural rhythms in [2] and [3] if anyone wants more sources. Fuebaey (talk) 20:15, 1 January 2015 (UTC)