- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 23:22, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
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Charles Montier
- ... that Charles Montier raced a modified Ford Model T in the inaugural 24 Hours of Le Mans? Source: Inline citations
- ALT1:... that Charles Montier modified a Ford Model T and raced it in the 1923 24 Hours of Le Mans?
- ALT2:... that Charles Montier modified a Ford Model T and raced it in the inaugural 24 Hours of Le Mans?
- Comment: 15 million Ford Model Ts were manufactured, starting in 1908 - a mass produced car, for the masses. Henry Ford said "I will build a motor car for the great multitude... it will be so low in price that no man making a good salary will be unable to own one – and enjoy with his family the blessing of hours of pleasure in God's great open spaces". Charles Montier certainly enjoyed his Model T - by racing it in the 24 Hours of Le Mans, alongside Bentleys and Bugattis. He and his co-driver finished 14th of 37 entrants.
- Comment: Other hook suggestions welcome!
Created by Kingboyk (talk). Self-nominated at 08:21, 27 January 2020 (UTC).
- ALT3: ... that Charles Montier raced a modified version of the mass-produced Ford Model T in the inaugural 24 Hours of Le Mans in 1923?
--kingboyk (talk) 02:43, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
- I think the hook needs something like 'raced a modified version of the popular/high-selling/mass produced etc.' Just to make it clear that the Model T wasn't an expected car to be raced at Le Mans. I know a little about cars so I got it, but if you didn't know what a Model T was it leaves the hook a little lacking? What do you think?
- The Flying Spaghetti Monster! 13:16, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
- @The Flying Spaghetti Monster: I think you make an excellent point. Let me have some coffee and see what I can come up with! --kingboyk (talk) 00:14, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
- OK, I've done two things: 1) Added some info about the Model T to the article, including an extract from the Henry Ford quote I included in my comment above; 2) Added hook suggestion ALT3 here. I think The Flying Spaghetti Monster is absolutely right and if this submission is accepted we should go with ALT3 or a rewording thereof. I'm unsure of protocol so I've left the original hook suggestions in place rather than removed or striked (sp.?) them. Thank you again, The Flying Spaghetti Monster. --kingboyk (talk) 02:43, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
Great, those changes look good and make the hook interesting enough for me. However, the article has three red links which, if I remember correctly, are not allowed on DyK pages. So if you could either create them, or if not notable enough just remove the link, then I'm happy to say this is ready from my point of view. (Although I should imagine you'll need another editor to give their opinion too as I'm fairly new to this). Update: I was wrong - it's just the hook that can't have redlinks. Although the article would be better without them anyway as standard I reckon. The Flying Spaghetti Monster! 12:26, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks. Montier's son Ferdinand is red-linked per WP:REDLINK as I believe he meets WP:GNG and WP:NMOTORSPORT and the infobox I have used has an entry for "notable relatives". He has other incoming links not added by me. I might yet knock up a short article on him to turn the link blue, although as he mostly entered the same races as his father (and without any great success) it might not be a terribly interesting article. It would be no great loss to remove the link if necessary and I await further guidance on that.
- There are also some red links to non-championship Grand Prix races. These articles all have only one other incoming link, from their respective season's pages e.g. 1931 Casablanca Grand Prix is linked to from 1931 Grand Prix season but nowhere else in mainspace (not even from the article on the driver who won the race). I'm puzzled by this and it makes me wonder whether these non-Championship race report red links should be removed not just from Montier's article but from the season articles too... On the other hand I believe the races likely have enough sources and notability to be written about (whilst being far from certain it will ever happen) and I feel compelled by WP:REDLINK to link to them. I think I might have a solution, however: I could redirect these red links to their respective season reports and template them with Template:R with possibilities.
- I'll attend to this asap; I have a few last minute additions to make first due to finding some additional sources after I thought the article was done! --kingboyk (talk) 04:01, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
- I'm all done and ready for review, except for the article on Ferdinand Montier which is in my sandbox and probably won't be completed until tomorrow. The reviewer can safely assume that link will turn blue shortly.
- The Flying Spaghetti Monster are you intending to review this submission or were you just commenting? --kingboyk (talk) 15:40, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
- Just commenting my dude, got to re-familiarise myself with the criteria before I review. Good work on the red links and the new hook though - looks ready to me but will need a second opinion I think. The Flying Spaghetti Monster! 13:41, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
Full review needed by new reviewer, as one who had said they would has not returned in over three weeks. (Note: while red links are not allowed in a DYK hook, there are no rules forbidding them in the nominated article.) BlueMoonset (talk) 19:52, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
- Just a quick comment, but I wonder if something else could be said about the Model T here. AFAIK mass-produced cars racing in Le Mans was not exactly uncommon during parts of its history (maybe someone more knowledgeable about Le Mans could correct me on this). Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:14, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
- I don't know (I'm a Formula 1 guy) but I don't see it as relevant. Montier raced the first mass-produced car, widely considered to be a farmers workhorse, in the first running of what is now the most prestigious endurance race in the world. That's the story. I think ALT3 conveys that. I am of course open to alternative hook suggestions. --kingboyk (talk) 01:14, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
- Just a quick comment, but I wonder if something else could be said about the Model T here. AFAIK mass-produced cars racing in Le Mans was not exactly uncommon during parts of its history (maybe someone more knowledgeable about Le Mans could correct me on this). Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:14, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
- If the tumbleweed here is simply because the article and/or hooks are not interesting please somebody just tell me me, and I will withdraw the nomination. --kingboyk (talk) 08:30, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
- Kingboyk, I think it's pretty neat, so here's a review to push this through at last:
The article was, at the time of nomination, new enough, and is well past the character requirement. There are no uncited facts within it, and as far as I can see nothing stands out as an unreliable source. No issues with verifiability or copyright (BLP doesn't apply), and no other tagged maintenance issues. The hook is interesting (racing a mass-produced car in any big-deal race is unusual enough to meet WP:POSA IMO). Finally, I only see one DYK credit, so QPQ is not required. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 04:15, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
- Kingboyk, I think it's pretty neat, so here's a review to push this through at last:
