Template:Did you know nominations/Girls (and Boys) On Film
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The result was: promoted by Carabinieri (talk) 00:38, 6 March 2013 (UTC).
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Girls (and Boys) On Film
edit... that Glee's 500th filmed musical number, "Shout", will be shown in its 81st episode?
- ALT1: ... that Glee's 500th filmed musical number, "Shout", is set to be shown in its 81st episode?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Albert Stevens
- Comment: Not entirely sure how to document "81st episode". There is an available list at FoxFast from any of the cited references, but you have to click on the arrows at the upper left in front of "GLEE - 04", open the first three seasons as well as the fourth, and count the listed episodes to get 81 as of "Girls (and Boys) On Film. Would appreciate suggestions below from reviewer; I'm happy to contribute ideas. (Or an ALT could be suggested.)
5x expanded by BlueMoonset (talk). Self nominated at 05:07, 26 February 2013 (UTC).
I really don't have to notify you in the talk page, do I? Back to the article, the information is totally new and revolves on the future episode. Because it is not yet aired, I don't know if the hook should be true, and the song is not yet confirmed by the episode itself. I'll give this another review when the episode airs, which would be a few weeks later. It may be long, but it's better late than never. But you can rewrite ALT hooks about the same info if you want. Another issue is using Twitter as a source to confirm film date of some music video of the Glee rendition of the Isley Brothers song. Film date could be true, but Twitter is still unreliable. --George Ho (talk) 06:11, 26 February 2013 (UTC) I didn't notice that Amazon is also used as a source. I still think there should be better sources than Amazon. --George Ho (talk) 06:21, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
- George, good point about the hook wording being overly predictive; I should know better. (WP:CRYSTAL and all that.) I've struck it and put in an ALT1 that changes the inappropriately definitive "will be" to the perfectly accurate (according to the secondary sources) "is set to be". About your sourcing comments: Amazon has proved accurate as an advance source in terms of whether something is being released as a single, and also in terms of song titles, but it will be supplanted when other secondary sources chime in with version and performer information, either later this week or early next. Twitter is specifically allowed for simple facts from knowledgeable sources: as Michael Hitchcock is not only the supervising producer for the show but the writer for this episode, I don't see how he can be considered anything but reliable in this case, and have removed your templates questioning the reliability. (It's not the filming date of a music video, it's the filming date of the musical number in the show: the key fact is that it's the 500th musical number filmed for the show.) BlueMoonset (talk) 07:12, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
Now that ALT1 is added, I'm still unsure about Twitter, even when the primary source, like the writer, uses Twitter. Drew Carey uses Twitter, and I don't see Twitter used as a source for info about games in List of The Price Is Right pricing games. Well, I will leaves this up to someone else. --George Ho (talk) 07:43, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
- I'd rather we not use Twitter for hook facts either. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:32, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
- We're not for this nomination: the hook fact (500th filmed musical number) is sourced to TV by the Numbers, and Twitter is only used to establish, in the article, the date the filming took place, which is not a fact relevant to the hook. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:04, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
- Alright. Note how the alt says "is set to be" while the article says "is". That's a bit of an issue, but other than that it looks okay. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:39, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
Thankfully, the episode is four days away from its first airing. Therefore, we can expect big edits, as passing this nomination is too soon for now. --George Ho (talk) 07:07, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
- Crisco, I've pulled mention of the song from the Synopsis; songs aren't usually included there, but I made what clearly was a mistaken exception this time. The song was certainly produced for the episode, and remains in the Production section, with slightly modified wording. If you don't think "81st episode" is an issue, then I'm not sure what else remains for me to do to make this eligible for approval. George, I don't know where you get the idea that "passing this nomination is too soon for now", as that has never been the case for such episode nominations in the past. The only likely edits when the episode airs is the expansion of the synopsis into a full-scale plot sometime in the following day or two, and not an appropriate reason to delay a DYK if it otherwise qualifies. BlueMoonset (talk) 07:38, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
Okay, this new wording is fine, as is 81st. The old wording of "It features" would have fallen afoul of WP:CRYSTAL, as you pointed out yourself above. Haven't seen any close paraphrasing issues, referencing is acceptable — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:19, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
Can we have this reserved for Thursday night, March 7 (EST/PST), or March 8 midnight (UTC), if promoter approves?(I've crossed out my prior comment.) --George Ho (talk) 08:40, 4 March 2013 (UTC)- I'd rather we run this before the showing, simply because if we run it during the showing it may not be stable. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:51, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
- I always take pot luck: whenever it gets promoted manages to work out. My experience is that the usual changes made the night it airs are to the order of guest stars to get the billing order exact (plus adding any that were omitted from the press releases), and by changing any "is set to air"-type wording to the usual past tense. Maybe a couple of additional minor adjustments. So far this season, there have been four DYKs (this will be the fifth in 15 episodes): two ran a couple of weeks in advance, one several days after broadcast, and one at 16:00 UTC the day after it aired. Given that there are only 29 approved hooks at the moment including this one, I think it's likely that this will run before broadcast. Thanks for the reviews! BlueMoonset (talk) 09:19, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
- Note: I crossed out George's request to avoid confusion, as I don't approve of it, and as creator/nominator don't wish any special request to be made for timing the hook. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:04, 5 March 2013 (UTC)