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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 22:32, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

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Created by LikeTheWind (talk). Improved to Good Article status by FairyTailRocks (talk), Starship.paint (talk). Nominated by FairyTailRocks (talk) at 02:24, 30 May 2014 (UTC).

  • New enough (promoted to GA 28 May, nominated 30 May) and long enough. Article images are free. Original hook and ALT2 are acceptable (but see issue 2 for ALT1), and all are short enough. Original hook checks out with online citation #9. ALT2 checks out with online citations #107 and #108 (although Paige's championship tenures overlapped for just one month in May 2014, the hook remains true). No disambig links found. All external links accessible except one (see issue 1). The text is written in an objective and neutral manner, and is fully cited. I have checked external links in citations 1-9 for copyvio or close paraphrasing, and found none (citations 10-108 were not checked). Issues: (1) Citation #78 is a deadlink. (2) ALT1 needs to be written out in full in the text, with appropriate citations; at the moment I cannot easily assemble the parts of the hook and appropriate citations from the text, and cannot find evidence for "immediately". That is not to say it is untrue; just help us check it out, please. (3) QPQ not yet done. Summary: if issues 1-3 1 and 3 can be resolved, this nom should be OK. Note: the images in the article are free, and one of those could be used with your chosen hook if you wish. --Storye book (talk) 16:15, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
Suggesting minor corrections to hooks. Don't think AJ Lee is important enough, the other is phrasing. starship.paint "YES!" 03:31, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
I'm also proposing that this DYK be left pending, as a frequent editor of wrestling articles there are a few issues with the article that need to be sorted out. Namely, her 2010 / 2011 exploits need to be expanded before this appears on the main page as a GA. starship.paint "YES!" 03:31, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
  • Thank you, Starship.paint. Issue 2 now resolved. I agree with your reasons for new hooks, and I have struck the original hook and ALT1 in favour of ALT2 and the adjusted versions ALT3 and ALT4.--Storye book (talk) 11:00, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
  • Review of ALT3 and ALT4: Both acceptable, short and hooky. ALT3 checks out with online citation #9. ALT4 checks out online with citation #72.--Storye book (talk) 11:00, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
  • Note to admin: This nom is currently waiting for the article to be edited up to standard, as per 24 June request of Starship.paint. Issues 1 and 3 (deadlink and QPQ) still pending.--Storye book (talk) 11:00, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
Deadlink is fixed. So is the Shimmer Women Athletes (2011) section. What's left is European independent circuit (2005–2011) - years 2010 and 2011. Missing info is as follows, bolded is more important; cancelled repeated opponents: Small and Red is now info not needed for inclusion in the article. Normal size is for inclusion, strikeout is already included. starship.paint "YES!" 13:57, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
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  • Review update: Two issues remaining for this nom. (1) QPQ still pending. (2) Article still needs to be brought up to standard as per comments above by Starship.paint. --Storye book (talk) 16:19, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
  • It's been about two weeks, and the issues noted above, including QPQ, are still unsatisfied. The nominator hasn't edited for over a week; allowing until one week or 24 hours after the next edit, whichever comes first, to respond here. I hope it won't be necessary to close the nomination. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:04, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
  • @ BlueMoonset. I have messaged FairyTailRocks re the QPQ. Starship.paint has left a message with intention to edit the article within 24h. If no QPQ happens, I can then offer to donate one of mine, but we await Starship's help with the article-edits. --Storye book (talk) 18:57, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
  • @ FairyTailRocks. Thank you, QPQ partly done. Don't forget that even though the nominated article that you have reviewed is a new GA, you still have to do a full review for DYK. I'll accept it if you complete the review or if another editor completes it for you. --Storye book (talk) 09:31, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Remaining issues: (1) QPQ has been started with a partial review, but that needs to be completed as far as an initial review goes, by FairyTailRocks or another editor. (1) This nom article still needs to be brought up to standard as per comments above by Starship.paint. --Storye book (talk) 09:31, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
  • After thinking through a bit more, I've realised that there is no longer so much missing information to be included in the article. The European independent circuit were a bunch of minor promotions which are much less notable than the American ones. There's no need for so much detailed coverage, as her opponents are mostly redlinks. From 2005-2008, when she hadn't won a singles title yet, we only need tournament matches or title matches. I've removed a #1 contender determination match. From 2009-2011, successful title defenses are surplus. Only title matches where a title change are needed. As such, I have edited the missing info above. I have settled five of the six missing items already. starship.paint "YES!" 13:29, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
  • I'm confident that the article will be settled 24 hours from now. starship.paint "YES!" 13:56, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
Storye book, European independent circuit and Championships and accomplishments are updated. I'd say this article is finally GA and good to go. Is the QPQ in order? In addition, I think ALT3 can be improved. Source for "as a child" -> I couldn’t really get a grasp on wrestling at a young age ... It scared the crap out of me ... When I got a little older, like, 10 or 11 ... I would get in the ring now and again and mess around with one of my brothers, and he’d teach me some stuff. starship.paint "YES!" 04:12, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Starship.paint, thanks for the updates and new ALT. I'm afraid the QPQ is not in order: the review was superficial and missed most of the criteria that need to be checked. I've noted the deficiencies on the template—FairyTailRocks, you have more work to do on the review for it to pass muster. If you need any guidance, feel free to ask, or you can check the top of any DYK template edit window: a summary of the review criteria for article and hook is there. (More detailed explanations are available at WP:DYK and WP:DYKSG.) BlueMoonset (talk) 06:02, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Sorry I can't donate a QPQ in this case (although as you know I sometimes do). I only donate QPQs if it will help clear the backlog or speed up a nom - especially where a nominator is having genuine difficulty. But in this case I don't think it would help. If I am making the wrong decision here, please let me know, and I'll donate a QPQ. This isn't about me being mean - some very capable editors would naturally object to being offered a free QPQ and I don't wish to offend. --Storye book (talk) 09:11, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, I think you shouldn't donate. >_> Could the QPQ wait until the weekend, given that FairyTailRocks is schooling? In the meantime we could decide between ALT2, ALT4 and ALT5? starship.paint "YES!" 14:20, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
  • @ Starship.paint. I have struck ALT3 in favour of ALT5, which checks out with the source linked above. ALT2 and ALT4 are already approved. I am happy to put them all forward for the admin to choose, unless you would like to choose one yourself? I have run out of computer time now, so I'm leaving a note here to myself to check that ALT5 is written out in full in the article with its inline citation alongside. --Storye book (talk) 16:21, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
ALT5 is a combination of two sentences in two sections, one from Early life and one later in Divas Champion. I have no preference for any ALTs. I also think ALT2 could be improved to be made more subtle. starship.paint "YES!" 02:36, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
  • @ Starship.paint. Please would you kindly double-check the following citation numbers for me? The sources look almost right to me, but I don't know enough about the competition system to be sure. Thank you. When you have checked it, I can pass this nom. ALT4 checks out online with citations #84 and #85 (the debut bit is implied, not spelled out?). ALT5 checks out with online citation #9. ALT6 checks out online with citations #107 and #108 (although Paige's championship tenures overlapped for just one month in May 2014, the hook remains true). --Storye book (talk) 07:34, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Regarding ALT4, I actually added a source for "debut" back in April. Someone removed it, so I added it back now. So the new reference #84 supports ALT4. Whereas, ALT5 is supported by #8, #9 and the new #87. I just remembered ALT6 is not mentioned explicitly in the article... WP:PW members thought it wasn't important enough to be explicitly written in the article, so perhaps we could take ALT6 out of the running. starship.paint "YES!" 08:06, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
  • To acknowledge the niche standing of professional wrestling, I was thinking of a hook which doesn't mention professional wrestling. Tell less and entice more, I guess. Supported by references #103 and #104... Also, I've sent another talk page reminder to FairyTailRocks. starship.paint "YES!" 07:43, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
  • ALT7 ... that Paige was featured in the Channel 4 documentary Fighting with My Family?
  • Just noting that I have run out of computer time for today - I'm back tomorrow, unless someone else reviews it first. --Storye book (talk) 09:55, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
  • OK, I'm back. ALT7 is short enough and hooky enough, and checks out online with citation #104 for Britani Knight/Saraya being in the BBC documentary. To prevent this nom being delayed by questions as to the identity of Saraya with her two stage names Britani Knight and Paige, I'm confirming here that the links in citation #10 confirm that identity. So we now have three OK hooks, and we're just waiting for the QPQ to be completed. --Storye book (talk) 11:50, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
Storye book, I see that FairyTailRocks has done a more comprehensive QPQ at 2005 FA Community Shield, is that enough? starship.paint "YES!" 06:19, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
Talk:2005 FA Community Shield which FairyTailRocks reviewed ran on DYK on 22 July. Awaiting the return of Storye book from computer repair. starship.paint "YES!" 14:53, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
As Storye book is out with computer problems, I'm going to pass this based on her earlier review and the now completed QPQ. ALTs 4, 5, or 7 are OK, I prefer 5 (ALT5, not just 5 in general) Belle (talk) 12:18, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
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