Template talk:Infobox award/Archive 1

Archive 1

An example

Wikipedia "In the news"
Current: WP:ITN/C
Current events
Awarded for	Excellence in being an internationally significant current event with a well developed Wikipedia article
Country	Worldwide
Presented by	Wikipedia Administrators
Reward(s)	$1.2 million
First awarded	2001
Website	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:In_the_news

An example :) Zzyzx11 (Talk) 06:35, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Frequency

Might I suggest the addition of a optional "frequency" parameter? Not every award is awarded yearly. E.g. the Guy Medal in Gold is awarded every 3 years. Qwfp (talk) 11:39, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

New or expand?

I'd like to add Infoboxen to the thousands or so literary award articles (long project). This template is OK but generic and not really designed with literary awards in mind. I see two choices: expand this template to include fields, formats and descriptions for literary awards; or, create a new template (modeled on this one) called Template:Infobox literary award. I'm leaning to the second option so as to leave this one simple and generic, but wanted to check here first in case there is a clumping/splitting debate with Infobox templates. Green Cardamom (talk) 08:21, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

How many extra optional fields? Because if it is only a handful or less than 10 or so, they can be inserted in here rather than creating a fork. This template is already being used in some of those articles like Man Booker Prize, Hugo Award, Nobel Prize in Literature, and Newbery Medal. Zzyzx11 (talk) 16:33, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

OK can do that. One of the issues with literary awards is the day of the award changes year to year, and nobody keeps the exact mm/dd/yy up to date in the infoboxes, except for the top 1% of awards like Booker and Nobel. So another date field would reflect only the month or quarter (not year or day) when it's normally presented, so a script can notify appx. time the article needs to be updated with latest winners. 'Frequency' such as annual, bi-annual. The 'Sponsor', such as the Publishing Innovation Award is sponsored by Digital Book World (not always the same as presenter or host, sponsor is the one paying the bills). 'Scope' would be scope of award (national, regional, international, language-based). I'd also like to make non-display of fields an option, so as not to enter WP:disinfobox territory in certain articles, but still have the data there for scripting purposes (semantic web, microdata etc). Green Cardamom (talk) 19:14, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

In fact, almost all of the fields on this template are optional. The only required one is the "name", but that just defaults to the article's page name if it is not specified. Not every award has a "reward", or is televised on a "network" with a specific "runtime" and some "viewership". Also there are many awards like Academy Award whose exact mm/dd/yy "date" also changes from year-to-year too, so that field is not used on that article anyway. Zzyzx11 (talk) 19:55, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Right, I meant the field doesn't display even when there is data entered into the field. The data is hidden, metadata. As an optional switch. Green Cardamom (talk) 02:48, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Do you want to hide only a few fields, or the entire infobox? Because looking at the Publishing Innovation Award article you mentioned, IMO it is not long enough to include a visible infobox per problem #2 of WP:Disinfoboxes#Problems. It reminds me of Template:Persondata, which provides metadata that is hidden from readers (see also Wikipedia:Persondata). But as I recall, that template only came about because at the time it was far easier to create that one from scratch than try to convert all these other many existing different biography infobox templates that do basically list some of that same information, ranging from Template:Infobox person, to Template:Infobox actor, to Template:Infobox officeholder. I do not recall any existing infobox template that has a similar switch where it can be entirely hidden for metadata purposes only. Maybe it would be better to create a separate Template:Infobox literary award to handle that extra code... Zzyzx11 (talk) 07:46, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Help

Can someone please help me with this issue posted here: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film#Infobox for Academy Awards? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 00:44, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

German version?

Hi! Anyone in here who could help me creating a German template out of this? :) Thx, Horst-schlaemma (talk) 00:11, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

@Horst-schlaemma: yes, I can help you. looks like there is already a German version of template:infobox military award. Frietjes (talk) 16:24, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Date

User:Green Cardamom and User:Tony1, this template does not link years or dates. can you tell me why you are removing the date parameter from this infobox? as far as I know, the date on which an award was awarded is useful information. Frietjes (talk) 15:56, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, I assumed that was the case since Tony1 had removed it with that explanation. I won't contest its restoration if dates are not linked. -- GreenC 16:33, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Nor will I contest reinstatement. But there's something I'm not getting, since I couldn't unlink a year in one of these templates in an article. I'll look up the timings and try to locate it. Thanks, Green, for picking up this issue. Tony (talk) 02:59, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

User:Tony1, the site continues to have caching issues where after you press save, it frequently shows the cached version from before the most recent edit. hence, you may have delinked a date, then it appeared to still be linked after you made your change. in any event, if you don't understand how a template works, it's better to ask for assistance rather than blindly editing code that you don't understand. thank you. Frietjes (talk) 15:12, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, Frietjes. I didn't actually get to unlink anything. Strangely, I'm pretty sure the date didn't show in the edit mode. I'll investigate further, but no problem if anyone wants to reinstate. Tony (talk) 15:14, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

Country

First of all, the parameter is not needed at all if location is used. What awards ceremony takes place in another country other than country of the award association? But, more importantly, the country is automatically linked (and it can't be unlinked), which goes against WP:OVERLINK. --Musdan77 (talk) 16:58, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

Ceremonies for some regional or language based awards rotate between countries, some Spanish awards do that. Or in another case a county may be "UK" and ceremony "Wales" etc.. Re: overlink that doesn't seem like a major concern but I suppose a request for a switch to turn linking on/off could be put forward. -- GreenC 17:35, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

Add new parameters

I beleive that we shoud add new paremeters called ″best dramactic/comedy series″, ″most wins″, ″most nominations″, ″best actress″ and ″best actor″ like to ones for at Template:Infobox film awards. I think it is very essential espisially for the Emmys ones, since the infobox should summarize all points of an article, right? Well, it is not doing a great job at doing that since at 40th Daytime Emmy Awards, those parameters are really needed. I hope that the community agrees with me.  — SoapFan12 (talk, contribs) 14:16, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

we should be careful to not add too many, the complete list will be in the article text, so this should really be focused on a very small number of the most important awards. if this line cannot be clearly drawn, then it's better to not include any and leave the summary to the text, perhaps with an anchor link. Frietjes (talk) 18:23, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

@Frietjes:, if we add at least only add ″most wins″ and ″most nominations″, will that be okay?  — SoapFan12 (talk, contribs) 18:27, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

sounds reasonable, will do. Frietjes (talk) 18:31, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

@Frietjes:, What do you mean by ″will do″? Are you going to add it?  — SoapFan12 (talk, contribs) 18:34, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

done. Frietjes (talk) 18:38, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Oh, okay thanks.  — SoapFan12 (talk, contribs) 18:39, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Hey @Frietjes:, Thanks again! I was wondering if you could remove those parameters from th highlihts section since it would not make senses for Awards categories, for example Daytime Emmy Award for Outstanding Lead Actress in a Drama Series.  — SoapFan12 (talk, contribs) 19:00, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

done. Frietjes (talk) 19:05, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you!  — SoapFan12 (talk, contribs) 19:08, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

How about a "predecessor" parameter? The Game Awards, for example. Its predecessor is the Spike Video Game Awards, but there is not a field to notate that. Before I recently edited the page and put Spike in the "previous" field, Spike was listed as "previous name", but that's not exactly correct. To add to that, a "successor" parameter as well. --JDC808 ♫ 00:22, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

Precedence section?

Tried to implementate the precedence section as seen in Template:Infobox military award, both in the regular code as well as in the docs. However, not sure if I got it right? Chicbyaccident (talk) 01:11, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 16 April 2018

Please add {{subst:tfm|Infobox military award|type=sidebar}}, per a nomination by Chicbyaccident {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 14:26, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

•  Done I did put it in noinclude since I don't think 6000 pages need the notification Galobtter (pingó mió) 14:44, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 24 August 2018

Pursuant to the discussion at Category talk:Articles which use infobox templates with no data rows#Categorisation, I've been looking for templates which are unnecessarily populating the tracking category. It looks like it's common for this template to be used with only the parameters "previous", "next", and "main" for navigation and that case triggers the "no data rows" condition. Since this is an accepted use, I want to add |decat=yes to the call to the infobox module. I've already done this successfully at Infobox_cricket_tournament Diff/856345363 and I'm just applying the same approach to other templates as I discover them.

Immediately after line 145, which looks like:

| belowstyle = border-top: 1px solid #000; padding-top: 5px; font-weight: bold;

please add the following line:

| decat = {{#if:{{{previous|}}}{{{main|}}}{{{next|}}}|yes|no}}

Thanks. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 16:57, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

 Done Enterprisey (talk!) 08:07, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

Example

I would like to have an example of this template for knowing the method of using the infobox with the attribute "related" having values two or more. Adithyak1997 (talk) 17:52, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Related is also listed as an unknown parameter. cf. Gold Awards --Auric talk 20:27, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

Auric How can that error be removed?Adithyak1997 (talk) 02:59, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Add it to the list of values at the bottom.--Auric talk 09:56, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 13 November 2018

Change the "current event" logo with File:Ambox current red.svg (the file already used in {{recent death}}), consistent with the current trends everywhere of changing logo to flat design. Hddty. (talk) 04:38, 13 November 2018 (UTC) Hddty. (talk) 04:38, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

 Done Galobtter (pingó mió) 04:49, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Default "holder" text

Currently the "holder" field (and I guess "winner" as well?) defaults to "Current Holder" - though it's adjustable with the "holder_label" field, I'm feeling the default ought to be something else. "Current holder" grammatically suggests something there is only one of, that passes from person to person, a la a boxing championship belt, say, or the Miss America tiara (or whatever it is Miss America gets) - awards, on the other hand, aren't passed on. Last year's Best Actress doesn't turn in her trophy to this year's winner, who then "holds" it for a year before the award is taken away to give to someone else. "Most Recent Winner(s)" seems like a far clearer, and in most cases more accurate, default text for an award. UniNoUta (talk) 16:27, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Active/Defunct/On-Hold

How do we indicate award status? -- GreenC 14:05, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

|year2=. --Gonnym (talk) 15:07, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

Just shows when it was last awarded. See Russian Booker Prize which is kind of hold or kind of defunct. -- GreenC 18:09, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 1 June 2020

Please apply Special:Diff/959179170/960164911 to use {{Ambox globe current red}} per discussion at Portal talk:Current events/News Browser § Rotate the image. —⁠andrybak (talk) 13:21, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

 Done Primefac (talk) 17:39, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 11 June 2020

Can the parameter "suppressfields" be added to the unknown parameter check? Thanks, 207.161.86.162 (talk) 06:47, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

 Done – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:08, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 14 July 2020

image2size should be image2_size, just like (for image 1) the template mainly uses image_size, and image2_upright isn't named image2upright.

There's legacy support, so no breaking changes to existing templates which can keep using image2size for the time being.

• Diff: Special:Diff/961992694/967706375
• Testcase (with new param): Special:Permalink/967706618
• Testcase (showing legacy compatibility): Special:Permalink/967706636

ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 20:17, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

 Done Done as a breaking change given there were only 3 uses in Special:Search. Consider watching the unknown parameters category in case Special:Search was lying today. Izno (talk) 00:54, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 14 July 2020

Add set of uncontroversial params for a merge of Template:Infobox military award, currently in WP:TFDH. Also see: TfD.

• Diff: Special:Diff/967706375/967717902
• Test cases: Template:Infobox award/testcases

ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 21:32, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

I think the only concern I have is that some are fairly generally named even if they're meant to be specific for military awards (per our discussion on IRC). |type= stuck out to me but a few others look similarly generic. Let's see if anyone else (dis)agrees. --Izno (talk) 01:24, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for reviewing the changes :) (and the one above). For the record, for other readers, my thought was that type is a generic parameter (its values for military awards tend to be "Medal (decoration)" and/or "Military award (decoration)", outside of military awards values could be "Trophy", "Plaque", "Golden star-shaped sticker", etc.

I categorised the ones I thought to be military specific under <!-- Military -->, though they don't have a military_ prefix. I wasn't sure what would be most appropriate re that, given the current TV/film-specific params currently don't have a film_ prefix. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 01:32, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

 Done Primefac (talk) 02:09, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Using image for current award rather than text

Moved to Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)/Archive 172 § Designating current seasons in infoboxes

 – {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 23:13, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Feedback

I would appreciate it if anyone who has the time could look over my article, Asia Game Changer Awards, and lmk what further improvements could be made. I'm still adding things to it but since this is my first time creating an article like this any guidance or project-specific advice would be great. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 01:10, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Carlobunnie, the formatting of the tables looks excellent, and the photos are good to have, too. Where I'd say the article could be improved most is the lead, where some of the language comes off as overly promotional. "true leaders making positive and "game-changing" contributions to the future of Asia and the world" is PR-speak that's not encyclopedic in tone and shouldn't be directly quoted up top (there's also something going on there with the quote marks). Recipients are usually from varying diverse backgrounds but the 2019 ceremony marked the first time that all awardees for the year were women only. also seems like "look how diverse we are" touting from a press release that we needn't copy. The more salient fact seems to be that all recipients are Asian or Asian American, something not currently stated in the article directly. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 01:25, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 23 November 2020

There is an error with double callout for label3 and data3. Template editor, please help to amend the parameters accordingly as I do not have the rights. Thank you. Flipchip73 (talk) 05:19, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Flipchip73,  Done. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 05:39, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for taking care of this. For what it's worth, Sdkb, the renumbering script is nice but the previous numbering was set up so that only a half-dozen labels needed to be updated in order to fit in a new param. This avoids the necessity of either renumbering them all or using a script. Not a huge deal, but something to keep an eye on in the future. Primefac (talk) 10:45, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, I did notice the way it was set up jumping to a new 10s for every new section. If you prefer it that way, feel free to restore it. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 16:11, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Not really worth the extra edit. Primefac (talk) 16:29, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Deprecation of 'description' param

Whilst looking to merge Template:Infobox military award, I noticed that the "Awarded for" label on this template uses the param 'description' (a misnomer). Really, 'description' should be used for an actual description, whilst the awarded for label should be using a param named 'awarded_for'. My thought was to implement a compatibility edit to support awarded_for for "Awarded for" in this template, and then mass-change all usages, and then remove 'description' being used for that label. Followed by creating a "Description" label (with param 'description') for compatibility with military awards which are using that label.

For clarity:

• The purpose of 'type' should be eg "Medal", "Trophy", etc.
• The purpose of 'description' should be "17c gold with star emblem"
• The purpose of 'awarded_for' should be "Best actress", or "Bravery in battle", etc.

Discussed this with Izno on IRC and they raised a good point that an actual "Description" may not be appropriate for the infobox at all. Starting this discussion to see whether this template needs a (new-style) "description" param at all. If not, it could be deprecated and omitted from display in this template, with existing usages just giving a warning. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 15:46, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

I'm at work so can't really look into this deep, but my immediate thought (based also on a note from my talk page) - if there's going to be a parameter change and a merger taking place, then the changes should be made all at once (i.e. implement the merger and the parameter change(s) and then have my bot go through and update everything. Will comment more about the actual changes/implementation when I've got some free time. Primefac (talk) 16:17, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Primefac, no problem. Just to clarify, since I think I worded it a bit lousy above, imo the poorly named param is in this template (using param 'description' for label "Awarded for"). So the first paragraph here would apply to changing 'description' in this template to 'awarded_for', and then updating transclusions of this template to change 'description' -> 'awarded_for' (to match the label, and avoid conflict with a new 'description' param for the actual description). Template:Infobox military award ("that template") currently uses 'description' and 'awarded_for' for their proper labels, so (for these two params, at least) my thought is they should stay the same in merge. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 17:25, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

@Primefac: sorry for the reping, but have you had a chance to look into this closer (and maybe the sec above too, since no further comments)? This template has been at TFDH since March, so it'd be nice to tick it off (no deadline, I know). ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 21:39, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

I haven't, I'm on a bit of a break at the moment and non-vital things are kind of taking a back seat at the moment. Might be able to look deeper in a week or two. Primefac (talk) 00:36, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

To come back around to this, I don't think we should be putting a full-on description in the infobox. "Awarded for" (or "for" in the military award template) will have values likely to be less than 10 words, which is reasonable. A full-on description isn't really IB info though. Primefac (talk) 02:14, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

I think some articles use it to describe the properties of the medal as an object, ie if it's gold how many carats, or its shape, size, etc. Some examples for reference: George Medal, Territorial Decoration, Naval General Service Medal (1847), United Nations Korea Medal. They're generally not too long, though the 2nd is an exception to that in this sample. I don't have too much of an attachment to the param, just figure it's worth being sure before leaning towards removal. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 02:29, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Primefac, your final thoughts on this? Last item on the agenda before merge can be completed (rest of the params were merged in above TPER). ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 15:25, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Sorry for the really long wait on a reply, it's been in my notifications and I keep seeing it but I finally had a chance to read through it. If there are pages using |description= to describe the medal itself, then I think that's a reasonable reason to keep the parameter, but I think any pages using it as an alternate of |awarded_for= should be converted to the latter parameter for clarity - and of course, the documentation updated to make this distinction clear(er). Primefac (talk) 13:57, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

Primefac, the issue here is this template has no |awarded_for= (see source). The label "Awarded for" uses parameter |description=. In contrast, that template has two distinct parameters and doesn't weirdly conflate it like this one does. So I think it would make sense to create an alias |awarded_for= in this template, do a deprecation run on {{Infobox award}} usages, and that would then free up |description= so that we can create a "Description" label. What do you think of this plan? We would then merge in {{Infobox military award}} as normal. So this plan would be a "two step merge". There could be an easier way to deal with this, I'm not sure.

The TLDR of the issue is that if we want to preserve the "Description" label (currently used on that template) we have to do something about the conflicting |description= in this template, used for the label "Awarded for" (rather than "Description", which does not exist in this). ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 19:25, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

Ah, gotcha. Yes, it makes more sense to convert the existing ib award param "description" to "awarded_for" before merging in the military award. Primefac (talk) 19:35, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

Okay. I've went ahead and added the alias, since no objections have been raised since I first proposed this in July, so feels fairly safe to proceed. Could you do a task 30 run when you have time? Afterwards, we can reallocate |description= to a new "Description" label. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 19:42, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

If both templates are ready I can do the merge itself. Primefac (talk) 20:14, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

It's been a few months since I touched this, but from what I recall I mapped over all the params and this (description) was the only remaining issue. Do double check all the params map over, but I believe once this description stuff is done it's all good for the merge, as well. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 20:45, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

Cool. I'll bump it up my TFDH-clearing list. Primefac (talk) 13:04, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

So looking at the params, just want to make sure I've got everything matched up:

Step 1: convert |description= to |awarded_for= in ib award.

Step 2: Add |description= to ib award (copied from ib medal) as its own value

Step 3: replace the following params in ib medal:

|awarded_by= → |presenter= *

|first_award= → |firstawarded=

|for= → |awarded_for=

|image_size2= → |image2_size=

|image_upright= → |image_upright1= *

|last_award= → |lastawarded=

|obverse= → ?

|posthumous= → |total_awarded_posthumously=

|previous_names= → |previous=

|recipients= → |total_recipients=

|reverse= → ?

|ribbon= → ?

|total= → |total_awarded=

|upright= → |image_upright= *

|upright2= → |image_upright2=

Feel free to edit the above directly with the missing and/or correct values. Primefac (talk) 20:19, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

• Added/updated 3 (with asterisk). Note: articles like Padma Shri will need the image stripped from |awarded_by=, probably easier to do by hand if there's a list of articles using the param (the TemplateParameters script doesn't have either template in its cache). Regarding |ribbon=: Param is not documented. Maybe merge into |image=? Per documentation: In cases where the award is given as both a medal and a ribbon, both images may be included by using the form [[File:Example.jpg|upright=1.3]]; but if doing so, the thumb attribute must not be selected. Regarding |obverse= and |reverse= - it seems I forgot about these since neither are documented. We can add those in as new params, I guess. Or just move into article body. I think 2nd may be better? ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 11:30, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

   Done, bot's performing Step 3. Left reverse, ribbon, and obverse per your recent changes. Primefac (talk) 02:57, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

  Looks good. Thanks! ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 15:06, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Network parameter

For award ceremonies broadcast (or set to be broadcast) exclusively online via streaming platforms or a special website/app, is it still okay to use the 'network' parameter and then enter the streaming source info, or since they aren't television related should they just be relegated to mentions in the lead or body prose? Or is there a diff parameter that can be used and I just can't read? -- Carlobunnie (talk) 00:06, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Carlobunnie, I would use |Network=. If that looks too weird, suggest another name for the parameter or an alternate name for the parameter, and we can consider modifying this template. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 02:15, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Native name

Could |native_name= be added? After the merger, many foreign military awards have no place to put their native name. Skjoldbro (talk) 17:03, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Reasonable. Done. Primefac (talk) 14:17, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Producer parameter- EP?

Trying to cleanup the infobox credits for the articles over the years of Nickelodeon Kids' Choice Awards. Currently, the infobox just has a parameter for 'producer', and the instructions state, "show's producer". However, there is currently nothing for executive producers.

So for example, see 2003 Kids' Choice Awards. I have the credits of that year's show and it lists Bob Bain and Mike Burg as executive producers, while Paul Flattery is listed as a producer. Should EPs be used in this parameter, or should this field only be used for those just listed as 'producer' (which in this case, would be just Flattery for 2003).

I'd also think any other producers (Ex: 'supervising producer', 'coordinating producer', 'associate producer', etc.) would not be listed whatsoever, correct? Thanks in advance. Magitroopa (talk) 23:48, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

For a more recent example, see 2019 Kids' Choice Awards- the press release says that Kelly, Dempsey, and Schmalholz are executive producers while production of the ceremony is overseen by Bagshaw.

I have the credits of the 2019 show, and Kelly and Dempsey are listed as executive producers, Bagshaw and Schmalholz are listed as executive producers 'for Nickelodeon', and 'Andrea Regalado' and 'Kathryn Rickey' are listed as just 'producers'- should the EPs be listed in the infobox like they current are, or should the field only list the main producers for that year, being Regalado and Rickey? Magitroopa (talk) 00:15, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Automatic short description

At Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Short descriptions#Descriptions from infoboxes: still some more low-hanging-fruit this template was raised as a candidate for automatic short descriptions. This would mean that the almost 3000 articles with this infobox but without a short description and not containing "award" in the page name would get the short description "Award". This could be overridden by adding a description manually. Articles such as 45th Annual Grammy Awards would not get a description since a description of "Award" would be redundant. Are there more considerations that I've overlooked or is this a good plan? I've notified WikiProject Awards about this discussion. --Trialpears (talk) 17:29, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

Definitely possible by adding {{short description|Award|noreplace}}. While I see your concerns about "silly" short descriptions for some pages, it's probably easier to add something simple now and allow for fixing later (i.e. perfect is the enemy of done). Primefac (talk) 12:56, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Or you could use {{#ifeq:{{#invoke:String|match|{{lc:{{PAGENAME}}}}|award}}|award||{{short description|Award|noreplace}}}} and not apply redundant descriptions automatically. Alternativley you could give them {{short description|none|noreplace}} since they probably don't need a description. --Trialpears (talk) 13:30, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Seems like a good plan. It looks like part of a larger ongoing task, but this my first exposure... I had a question that doesn't really impact this particular change, but I'm curious how things end up: What will the behavior in the Shortdesc helper view be when the description is auto-populated? If the short description is unpopulated, and the WikiData description looks terrible, I will frequently use the feature to bounce over and update WikiData first, then come back and import. -2pou (talk) 15:17, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

If a template such as this one auto-populates the shortdesc, then it is my understanding that the helper will show that description. Since (in this case and others) we use noreplace if the shortdesc is substandard a better one can still be added with the helper. Primefac (talk) 15:31, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Primefac, I do think there could be some downside to too hastily implementing an imperfect short description. Once a template has an automatic format, people assume that that format is the correct one with full consensus behind it, and they start to imitate it even on articles where it isn't created automatically. I think the best way to go about this is to start first from "what do we ideally want short descriptions for this type of article to look like", and to agree on a bunch of examples, and then to figure out whether we can generate those descriptions from the infobox or other article elements.

Also, one thing I learned doing the short description for {{Infobox song}} is that there's often more caveats to handle than you initially think. For instance, we need to make sure that the infobox appears in the article lead. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 16:50, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

This work being full of caveats is my experience to, but I believe "Award" should be suitable for all articles where it isn't redundant. I think the optimal description would be something like Award/prize for [field] such as "Award for mathematicians" at Fields medal, but that isn't possible automatically and just "Award" is a lot better than nothing. --Trialpears (talk) 18:32, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

My suggestion for Fields Award would be "Mathematics award". It's shorter, and "mathematics" going first helps because the award part is self-explanatory from the title whereas the math part is not. To get to that, the page is categorized under Category:Mathematics awards, and on Wikidata it has instance of->science award with qualifier applies to part->mathematics. We could theoretically cue off of either of those, although they would each have their challenges. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 19:11, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

I guess that's better. I had personally more or less given up on trying to use categories for short descriptions after my attempt showing getting the bad description rate down to basically zero is really hard, but it seems MichaelMaggs somehow have cracked that nut. I still don't think such a huge effort is worth it for awards since it so relatively few pages, probably making "Award" the most bang for our effort. --Trialpears (talk) 19:29, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

I agree that "Award" is the way to go here. The purpose at this stage is to rapidly reduce the numbers of articles that are missing SDs using simple-but-doable wording rather than perfect-but-impossible. Bear in mind that this affects only articles that no-one has so far thought it worthwhile to add a SD to, and it won't affect existing manually-drafted descriptions at all. Doing complicated things with template parameters and the like is a pointless waste of time, and also risks degrading the user experience by slowing down page rending if expensive Lua calls are needed. Where a simple default of "Award" is sub-optimal, someone will at some point come along and improve it. If that's really not good enough it would be better not to generate SDs automatically from the infobox at all but to use a bot to add more granular descriptions, for example based on categories. That's quite possible but takes a lot more work than adding a simple automatic SD to the infobox. MichaelMaggs (talk) 19:57, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

This infobox template is used on pages such as 19th Annual Grammy Awards, where the topic is not a simple award, but an award ceremony. I doubt editors in this section intend that this template should not be used on these sorts of pages, so I suggest that the simple short description "Award" be changed or removed. At this point, given that most articles covered include "award" or "prize" in their title, this short description is doing more harm than good. — HTGS (talk) 02:59, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

HTGS I've changed it so it doesn't generate the description when award is in the title which solves the Grammy issue (hope this is alright Primefac). Are there more pages it is problematic for? --Trialpears (talk) 11:09, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

The template also appears on Wizard (magazine), as there is a section dedicated to an award of theirs. It also features on a couple of bios, with “recipient of X award” (eg, Lalak Jan and Shahid Afridi), but I think those are probably better removed than treated as appropriate use. It might be that we accept the cases where the SD is inappropriate (I believe it could be less than 10) but it’s worth acknowledging that we still aren’t accounting for every possibility. And I say this as someone fond of automating SDs in general. — HTGS (talk) 14:17, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

To solve some of the issues, it should check that the infobox is used in the lead. I agree that the redundancy is an issue, and retain the concerns I expressed above. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 16:54, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

I've added such a check now. --Trialpears (talk) 22:34, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

You won't hear complaints from me; any improvement is a welcome one. Primefac (talk) 11:53, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Trialpears, in your last edits you took out the noreplace. I assume this was an accident and I'd love to have it back! — HTGS (talk) 10:54, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

HTGS you're absolutely right. Sorry for that and thanks for reporting it! --Trialpears (talk) 11:27, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 21 November 2021

I noticed from Shevchenko National Prize that this template does not use preferred rank for images so if their are multiple it breaks.

• Currently it returns: Premium Shevchenko.png

• I suggest we should add rank=best to return: Premium Shevchenko.png

i.e. {{#invoke:WikidataIB |getValue |rank=best |P18 |...

Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 09:55, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

 Done * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 01:18, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

For parameter "main" with long length

See 1992 MTV Video Music Awards or 2021 MBC Entertainment Awards. "← 1991 · MTV Video Music Awards · 1993 →" and "← 2020 · MBC Entertainment Awards · 2022 →" appear in two lines.

Change the present (above) to the below:

| below       = 
{{#if:{{{previous|}}}|* ← {{{previous}}}}}
{{#if:{{{main|}}}|* {{{main}}}}}
{{#if:{{{next|}}}|* {{{next}}} →}}
| belowclass  = hlist noprint nowraplinks
| belowstyle = border-top: 1px solid #000; padding-top: 5px; font-weight: bold; 

| data54      = {{#if:{{{main|}}}|{{Infobox|subbox=yes
| below       = 
* {{{main}}}
| belowclass  = hlist noprint nowraplinks
| belowstyle  = border-top: 1px solid #000; padding-top: 5px; font-weight: bold;
}}}}

| data55      = {{#if:{{{previous|}}}{{{next|}}}|
{{align|left|{{#if:{{{previous|}}}|← {{{previous}}}}}}}
{{align|right|{{#if:{{{next|}}}|{{{next}}} →}}}}
}}
| rowclass55  = noprint nowraplinks
| rowstyle55  = font-weight: bold;

Refer to this template's sandbox (diff) and testcases pages. Sawol (talk) 07:05, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

The word "please" would not go amiss Sawol, as you are asking for a volunteer to do some work for you ;) — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:50, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

@MSGJ: Please edit as stated above. But this request is not for me. For something like 1992 MTV Video Music Awards, 2021 MBC Entertainment Awards. An user as Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/Template editor is different from others without edit permission. I want to have the permission. Sawol (talk) 09:20, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

 Partly done: I have implemented a simpler solution. This may cause problems for extremely long event names (up to 25 characters works fine). – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:35, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Add a variable for 5+ award categories/types

In case there are more than 5 awards, infobox throws error for award6_type and award6_winner. See 2021_Ballondor Amdudeja (talk) 21:19, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

2021_Ballon_d'Or Amdudeja (talk) 21:20, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

An infobox should only contain information due for the lead, which means only mentioning the most important awards and winners. If there's more than five, I'd suggest leaving that info out of the infobox and putting it in the body instead. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 21:54, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

In my opinion, Infobox should always be able to accommodate more than 5 awards or leave an open ended API to create a new award and assign a recipient to that award. Rest is on Wiki-Admins and moderators! Amdudeja (talk) 10:45, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

Even 5 is too much. An infobox is not a substitute for article content. All those awards you want should go in prose and tables inside the article itself. Gonnym (talk) 11:03, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

I don't think a template should decide on what content can go where. A sixth (, 7th, 8th...) award should technically be possible; the debate on relevance can and should be held with the individual articles. In case of the Ballon d'Or article (which brought me here), the 2021 election imo is a great example of an article that warrants six entries. Most Ballon d'Or articles are listicles anyway, where an infobox can provide much needed oversight. I'd edit it, too, if I felt comfortable editing 12000 pages in one go ;-) LRataplan (talk) 13:20, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 31 July 2022

Can we remove the yellow coloring? There is no stated reason for this design choice in the documentation, nor anywhere in the talk page archives, and so I don't see the usefulness here. Thrakkx (talk) 22:01, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: looks like a consensus needs to be established for this alteration. Header color added with this edit in July 2007. Please garner the needed consensus before using the {{edit template-protected}} template again. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^put'r there 06:50, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

I will make the argument that due to the age of the change, if there is no reply within a fortnight against your colour request proposal, that this can be implemented per WP:SILENCE (though you might need to re-trigger the TPER request so that someone sees it). Primefac (talk) 14:38, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

@Paine Ellsworth: per Primefac's argument on silence and consensus, I think we can move forward with removing the yellow color from the infobox. Thrakkx (talk) 15:44, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

 Done Terasail^[✉️] 16:42, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

Holder

the holder field as used on the Nobel Prize pages using this template say "Currently held by XY". That phrasing is incorrect, since the Nobel is not a challenge trophy that can be only 'held' by the most recent winner. This probably also applies to other pages using this template. Could that line either be changed, or an additional parameter be added that uses a wording like "most recent winner" or similar? --jonas (talk) 20:46, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

|holder_label= is available to put in a custom value, so potentially |holder_label=Most recent recipient would probably work well for the Nobel Prize page. Primefac (talk) 09:55, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

"Television/radio coverage" header

Requesting that we replace Television/radio with {{#if:{{{coverage|}}}|{{{coverage|}}}|Television/radio}} to allow "Television/radio" to be overridden with custom text. I've added it to the sandbox if you want to see the changes, and to the template test cases if you want to see it in action. Thanks. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 07:56, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

 Done * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:11, 16 December 2022 (UTC)