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This is an archive from the main page. Established on 6/14/2012. 5shot (talk) 16:38, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

I've commented out the additions to the point shooting, pending some discussion about them--I recognize the contents as coming from the pointshooting.com website. If you are not the owner of pointshooting.com, then it's a copyright violation. If you are the owner of the materiel, then I would suggest that it's in need of cleanup to turn into a section for this article. I think the content you added as it stands is persuasive rather than neutrally informative, which is what an encylopedic article should be. The information is still in the article, it's just hidden between HTML comment tags (< followed by !-- to start the comment and -- followed by > to terminate). If you'd like to try making the entry more fitting to form, by all means do so; if not, I'll try to get to it soon and help out. scot 02:40, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi Scott,

I am unfamiliar with this mechanism.

The pointshooting.com website is mine and all material on it is mine or it presented to the public at large with the approval and concurrence of the author is there is another. The lead in to all articles states who the author is if it is other than me.

I am an advocate of P&S and though the material may come across as persuasive, it is also fact and provable via one's own experimentation, or supported via the literature, studies and stats relative to the matter. I could footnote any questionable items.

I will also review the material over the next few days to a few weeks and see if I can make it more neutral.

I have, and like to state what is, is.

That of course does not go over well in the world of the gun which is tradition and hierarchial bound to an absurd degree given even a cursory review of video footage of gunfights and combat study results, as compared to teaching traditional shooting methods for use in close combat.

For example, there is no film or video evidence of sight shooting ever being used sucessfully as an effective shooting means to employ in close quarters self defense, though it has been is taught for such use for over 100 years.

Sight Shooting for use in close combat is a nice theory, but unfortunately it is factually unproven and just nonsense, and in my opinion, it's teaching has resulted in loss of life and injuries to thousand of police officers. The NYPD SOP 9 found no relationship between officers' range score and street shooting effectiveness. Welcome to the OZ or Alice's Wonderland.

Also, feel free to edit the material as you see fit.

Do you have an e-mail??? One of mine is: ps@pointshooting.com

To edit the hidden text, just edit it like you normally would, but leave the HTML comment tags in place. For example, I'll hide some text in THIS word; you can edit the page, and then see how it works. I often do this to bit of article that I'm working on, that I want to save but aren't ready for public exposure.

I do agree that point shooting is certainly a valid method, and in fact probably a superior one for defensive use. I've read the relevant shooting sections in Applegate's book, plus the stuff that Fairbairn put in "Get Tough!", and I think that shooting techniques should be chosen based on range; at contact distance, keep the gun at chest level and tucked in tight to retain it, then move to an Applegate-like shooting position, then out to a two handed Weaver or similar stance for longer range sighted fire. I'm not sure I agree with the middle finger trigger pull. For one thing, as you point out the guns just aren't made for that, but my other concern is that designing or adapting a gun in such a fashion to optimize it for the mid-range point shooting might negatively impact retention, sighted fire, reloading, and perhaps other motions.

I think that any facts you can come up with that point out the deficiencies of the "Cooper" school of aimed fire failing in high stress situations would do well in the article introduction; they are general to the argument in favor of point shooting, without applying particularly to any particular school of thought (references to journal articles and the like would be perfect). Also, and additional methodologies of point shooting that you can document could have their own sections--I recall having run across some others online, but that was before I started contributing here.

As for the nethods you advocate, I think that the can probably be condensed down to a paragraph or two, outlining the technique and the reasoning behind it, plus a link to your website. One of the tenets of Wikipedia is "no original research", and a lot of your website is dedicated to original research--mentioning should be acceptable, but including it is probably pushing the acceptable limits.

Oh, and one more bit of info--I too use an airsoft gun for practice, specifically practicing point shooting. I've decided the cheap electric blow-backs are ideal for it--acceptable accuracy at under 20 feet, quiet, and cheap to shoot, as you can get many hundred rounds from a set of AAA batteries. I can be reached by e-mail at scot.alexander at gmail.com, or you can post to my user talk page on Wikipedia, as I tend to keep my Wikipedia watchlist up whenever I'm online. scot 04:07, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

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