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Luka Chkhartishvili

Do you know something about it? Geagea (talk) 19:48, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Can you see her. Geagea (talk) 20:37, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Thaks Kober. did you check her? Geagea (talk) 16:47, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Image:Upper Abkhazia village.jpg

Just wanted you to know that I've moved it over to Wikipedia:Possibly unfree images/2008 July 6. I've linked your comments at WP:CP, but I'd appreciate it if you'd take a look at my summary and be sure that I've stated the conflict correctly. Cheers. :) --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 22:39, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Bravo!

Dear Kober, I just wanted to convey my amazement and fascination for your work on the article about Queen Tamar. Your usage of sources, well structured text, clear format and use of language will definately make this article as the feature on the Wikipedia main page. Amazing work Kober, you are one of the most productive and creative contributors to Wikipedia. From all Georgian "Wikipedians", I want to thank you for your tedious work on that article and on the other Georgian History-related topics. Bravo Kober! Warmest wishes. Iberieli (talk) 16:08, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

• 
  never published or seen before painting of King George XI of Kartli
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  Alexander Bagrationi
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  Teimuraz I
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  recently discovered picture of Nikoloz Baratashvili, sorry for poor quality
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  eris gamhidveli "Pavel Tsitsianov"

20:16, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

To my suspicious friend :) LOL :) Here we go: just published (by the way you have to get this book which comes in 5 series, in Russian): Gruziya i Evrepeiskie Strani, Tom III, Gruziya i Rossiya XVIII-XIX veka, Kniga I, avtor D.L. Vateishvili, Nauka, Moswka: 2006. [1], [2]. As per photos: on p 96 Illustration section (concerning Geogre XI) the following passage accompanies the painting: "Potret Tsariya Kartli Georgiya XI (publikuitsiya vpervie)". Now concerning Alexander, the following passage accompanies the painting: "Tsarevich Alexander Archilovich Bagrationi." Sudite sami dorogoy Kober :) Iberieli (talk) 14:09, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

My Dear Kober, thank you very much for your award, I really appreciate it. And thanks for identifying and fixing Alexander Bagrationi mistake. I will update those articles with more info base don those amazing books. Iberieli (talk) 18:10, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Koridethi

Yes, you are right, but see here Britannica Online Encyclopedia. The same you can read in: Bruce Metzger, The Text of the New Testament, 2005, p. 83 (Codex was discovered near Caspian Sea). I do not think it was near Batumi. But in "Manuscripts of the Greek Bible: An Introduction to Greek Bible", Oxford University Press 1991, the same author, Bruce Metzger holds, it was "not very far from Batum" (p. 25). For now I have no knowledge in that matter. With regards. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 23:27, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

• Thank you very much, because in many books we can find that error (Caspian Sea). I assume it took a long time for you. Thanks. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 13:12, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

• It is good idea. I think we also need an article about city Koridethi, and about church in which codex was holded. We need more information about Georgia. Thanks for your willingness. It will usefull for all of us. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 18:18, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Ossetia

Hello, Kober. There is no need to correct you, I understand your vision of the question. But you see, de jure Ossetia (as the cultural and ethnic "union") is divided. South Ossetia is in Georgia, RNO-Alania is in Russia, so de facto it's divided region. Isn't it? I'm not taking into account Ossetia's status... Would you please define your position? What sort of evidence do I have to provide to make you see the real fact? Anyway, thank you very much for the data concerning the Ossetian population in Georgia.Taamu (talk) 11:59, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Kober, can I try to show what I mean using a silly example? So, if Mr. X and Ms. Y divorce can I say that Mr. X is a divorced person? Or not? The same with SO and NO. They form Ossetia. I guess there is need to add a category “divided regions” to all 3 articles: South Ossetia, North Ossetia and Ossetia itself. If you don’t agree please check the category [3] (there you will find South Korea, North Korea and Korea). Thanks!Taamu (talk) 12:39, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Vandal "Laz"

The so called "Laz" who vandalizes our talk pages also should be banned due to sock puppetry, he keeps puping up. As you said, we should protect our talk pages. Thanks Kober for Alexander Photo, it looks like he is wearing Persian military garment. Iberieli (talk) 16:57, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Putting back in irrelevant stuff to a talk page

Kober, this is the second time you have put back in irrelevant posts to a talk page. This time it was at the suspected sock puppets report where you put back in Gulmammad's post and previously it was at 2007 Georgian demonstrations. Suit yourself, but please live by your own rules. This means not removing other peoples posts to article talk pages. I will be putting back posts which you have removed from article talk pages. From my impression, these posts were merely talk page that you disagree with and removed. Pocopocopocopoco (talk) 04:51, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Please consult Wikipedia's guidline on talk pages. Your comparison is simply ridiculous. I removed trollish and offending posts which has no room in the Wikipedia mainspace. Try to note a difference. --Kober^Talk 05:00, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Kober dzma: they arnt legal or scientific tags.this is only for you and your Kartveli megobra Iberieli.Lazebi qartveli ar arian.da me kartuli ena-anbani vici...thats way dont write with Georgian :):):):):):):)TuTasTemre LAZ

Laz people

Kober dzmavo; please stop Kartvelist attack.Please çemo Kartveli dzmavo leave that ideology. What is "Megrels and other Georgians" ? Lazs arent Georgian people.Uderstand it please :)TuTasTemre LAZ

chkimi nena qortuli, chkimi samshoblo saqortuoa, ma magral voreq, si chkimi lazi jima req: magral, qortu, shoni, erti nena. skani anti-qortu isteria, var req martal! gate ase, ganeb dud. rtxink, gemkisurl te sakme da jimakochurot kimkci! Iberieli (talk) 18:30, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

p.s Kolhuri, chkimi qortuli nenaa. sie propagandisti, provokatori, ultra-nazionalisti voreq. skan ckma vaux azr ragadis! Iberieli (talk) 19:19, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

WP:CP

Hi. Just dropping you a line to thank you for bringing to our attention the situation at Laz people and also to note that new entries are placed at the date they are registered. As I had already reviewed issues from July 10th, which is where you placed it, I might have overlooked it altogether, but fortunately there was one text issue still opened, so I noticed the new addition. I have removed the text and warned the editor. Hopefully, no further action will be necessary, but I am watching the page in case it is. Thanks. :) --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 14:27, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

LAZS

So thanks for your additions but please dont write Megrels and other Georgians.Please understand Lazs.Cuz we'are cousin of South Caucasian(Kolxi-Iberi-Svani soul) :):):):)TuTasTemre LAZ —Preceding comment was added at 16:15, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Kober its time to report him for sock poppetry and harassment [4]. He has gone too far i think. Iberieli (talk) 18:13, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

კობერ, ჯერესერთი პოპეტია ეგ მშობელთ-ძაღლი, და მერე ფაშისტებს გვეძახის და ჩვენს გვერდებზე ან იუსერ-ფეიჯებზე ვანდალისტობს. დასაბლოკია, სხვა ამას არ ეშველება, მე ვეცადე მელაპარაკა კულტურულად, არ გამოვიდა. ადრინდელი ადმინი რომ იყო მორეჩი მგონი, იმას უნდა მივმართოთ. Iberieli (talk) 19:21, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

nahe radgheshia [5] Iberieli (talk) 19:29, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

I agree, thanks Kober. prthilad ihavi rv-ebze. Hate massages again [6]Iberieli (talk) 19:45, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

kober gamo skypze Iberieli (talk) 20:27, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

"27 Missing Kisses"

Hello Kober! There is a Georgian film called 27 Missing Kisses, could you translate and transliterate this film's title into Georgian? The transliteration I found is 27 dakarguli kotsna, is this correct? If so, could you provide it in Georgian letters? I need this for the List of submissions for the 73rd Academy Award for Best Foreign Language Film. Thanks!--Crzycheetah 23:05, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes it is correct. in Georgian 27 დაკარგული კოცნა. I add interwiki. Geagea (talk) 19:50, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Lashkari

Kober, do you herd about "Lashkari" that the princple of them was the base of Mkhedrioni. I saw thiere is somthing Armenian and Persian. it's appear in this article. Geagea (talk) 19:58, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

George VII of Georgia

Kober hollo again,

"...Prince George organized a successful resistance to the next incursion and released his father, who appointed him as joint ruler in 1369. ..."

The firsi invasion of Timur to Georgia was in novmber 1386 so George cant not releas his father in 1369. Geagea (talk) 10:37, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Timur's invasions of Georgia

Kober, in this article mentioned two places: "Dzami" and "Tortumi". Do you konw where are they. Geagea (talk) 14:35, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much Kober. Yes it helpful. and one more little thing: in the same article: Timur's invasions of Georgia, thiere is a sentence:

"...George VII’s brother, Constantine, who was then on bad terms with his brother, arrived with gifts as did the king’s defiant vassal Iwane Jaqeli, prince of Samtskhe. Sheikh Ibrahim I of Shirvan went to estimate the revenues and expenses of Georgia. George sent new presents but Timur refused them and summoned George to appear in person. ..."

maybe you undestand what is the connection of Ibrahim to the rest of the sentence.

And thanks again. Geagea (talk) 16:03, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Now is clear. but in the article Battle of Chalagan it been said that he was who had headed a struggle against the Timurids in Northern Azerbaijan. Geagea (talk) 16:12, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

O.k. still one more little thing: clemency (aman) where it can be found (maybe in Arabic)? Geagea (talk) 16:22, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Kober. evrything very helpful. Just to inform you the article about Tbilisi in the Hebrew wikipedia will be soon Template:Featured. Geagea (talk) 16:42, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Blocked for abusing multiple accounts

Hello.

I have reached a conclusion after examining the evidence presented in Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Kober, and found that you are either using Papa Carlo (talk · contribs) as a sockpuppet, or that he is a proxy editing on your behalf to continue edit warring when you are unable to do so. — Coren ^(talk) 04:00, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

You have been temporarily blocked from editing in accordance with Wikipedia's blocking policy for abusing multiple accounts, or proxy editors in furtherance of edit warring. Please stop. You're welcome to make useful contributions after the block expires. If you believe this block is unjustified you may contest this block by adding the text {{unblock|your reason here}} below.

It's a punishment block, which is frowned upon. If you wish I can bring up the matter at WP:ANI for you. -- Ned Scott 09:28, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

I have already done that here. Grandmaster (talk) 09:53, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Given that the edit warring causing this is a bit in the past, I would not be actively opposed to your block being lifted. Please remember, however, that 3RR is emphatically not a right, and that your constant edit wars will bring greater scrutiny to both your edits and those of other accounts appearing in unconditional support. Further strong coincidences like those with the Papa Carlo account will be attributed to collusion as long as they always occur just as you skirt the limit of the letter of the rules.

I am not going to lift the block myself, but any other administrator who has more experience with the areas in which you edit and feel confident that you will behave my do so with my blessing. — Coren ^(talk) 12:41, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Taken from here [7]:I dont understand a simple thing in this case, under what evidence was Kober blocked for sock poppetry? If the result was negative and the evidence did not yield any similar patterns of editing between Kober and Papa Carlo (I also reviewed the evidence but I dont see any credible assumption that they are socks), why did this administrator blocked Kober? On what grounds was this user blocked for sock puppetry? He did not behave in sock puppetry and was blocked for it? I wan to remind you that Kober was already blocked for 3RR and why punish again a person who already was blocked for the same fault? Is this a case of unprofessional handling of sock poppet claims? Also, please pay close attention to Kobers rv's. They are mostly directed at countering vandalism by anon users. Why these rvs were not being reviewed or mentioned here? In my op pinion this block is completely unjustified, no strong evidence exists of even a hint of sockpuppetry between these two users, the notification was posted by a user who engaged in harassment of Kober over the articles which did not fit his POV and overall the evidence looked fishy. Before blocking this user, did you review so called rv wars? How many did you see countering vandalism (such as blanking, inserting dubious claims, etc)? Did you see possitive IP match between these two users? Did you ever consider or give it into consideration that this user created more than 700 articles and is unmatched in the Georgia and Caucasus related articles? What nationalistic POV are you talking about, wher eis the evidence for it? So Proco (who posted notification against Kober) has no nationalistic POV but Kober has it? On what grounds are you making this assessment? Kober is purely encyclopedic user and his valuable articles dont even hint any "nationalistic POVs" as you have claimed. Again, this user was blocked already for 3RR and blocking him again for the same faults does not make a real sense. In my opinion, this block was groundless, uncounted for, unjustified, and definately a mistake by administrator who should have been more responsible of his/her duties Iberieli (talk) 14:04, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

I've already responded elsewhere, but it suffices to say here that there is a trivial method to guarantee that other accounts cannot appear to exist solely to support Kober's edit warring: Kober needs only stop edit warring in the first place. — Coren ^(talk) 14:32, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Coren, I'm waiting for an explanation for your statement at ANI: His constantly edit warring is troublesome, and I'm not certain that he is here to write an encyclopedia — as opposed to defend a nationalistic POV, but he did contribute for a long time on more than one topic.

In which way it is not a personal attack? Where have you seen me constantly edit warring and pushing nationalistic POV? I'd also like you to check my contributions to Wikipedia to better understand who is here to write an encyclopedia. I'm not going to prove to you anything but I've written more than 700 fresh new articles to Wikipedia, unstabbed or completely rewritten more than 500 entries, including 2 good articles, and uploaded almost 600 media files to Wikimedia. IMO, such arbitrary statements seriously undermine your credibility as an admin and further raises the issue of fairness of the sanctions imposed by you upon me.--Kober^Talk 17:19, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Do I really need to explain why constantly reverting contentious pages stopping just shy of 3RR is edit warring? At any rate, I was very clear that the rest of your contributions does speak in your favor, and that is why I am not opposed to you being unblocked before the short block I have placed expires if another administrator more familiar with you feels it to be a good idea. For that matter, if you had acknowledged your warring and made some visible effort to refrain, I would have unblocked you myself. — Coren ^(talk) 17:42, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

A couple of inadvertent 3RR violations don't make me a troublesome and constant edit warrior and a nationalistic POV pusher, something you have accused me of. In addition, in most cases I was reverting the removal of referenced and self-evidently valid information and was pretty much sure that I was dealing with vandalism. Your acknowledgement of the rest of my contributions contradicts your previous statement that I'm not here to write an encyclopedia. I'm not condemning you for this block because there is a very long story behind this dispute and the user who reported me. You are not supposed to know everything about that. But I'm offended by what you wrote at ANI. You could have declined my "unblock request" without offending me. With all due respect, I'm not going to fell on my knees and ask you to unblock me. --Kober^Talk 18:15, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Dont you think Coren that you have went out of your way, first blocked a user without any reason (there was no evidence of sock puppetry) than made a personal attack on this user claiming the following: His constantly edit warring is troublesome, and I'm not certain that he is here to write an encyclopedia — as opposed to defend a nationalistic POV, but he did contribute for a long time on more than one topic.? You have failed to present evidence on "edit wars" which in fact were countering vandalism on various articles. What can we call such a treatment of this particular Wikipedia user? I think we will launch a formal complaint against this administrator for abusing his privileges and blocking people without a cause, not to mention personal attacks. Iberieli (talk) 19:06, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

I would support lifting this block if some condition were agreed to that would guarantee that the cooperation between User:Kober and User:Papa Carlo in 3RR situations would cease. One scenario is that both editors would agree to some restriction. I invite them to consider if they would agree to something. For example, not to edit the same articles; or to be considered as one single editor for 3RR purposes. Under that rule, any block of Kober would lead to a simultaneous block of Papa Carlo for the same duration, if the same article were involved. Also any reverts by Papa Carlo would be added to those by Kober when a case was presented at the 3RR noticeboard. 19:11, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

The inquiry into misconduct and personal attacks made by this administrator was reported on the Incident Noticeboard: [8]. Iberieli (talk) 19:34, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Dear EdJohnston, I do appreciate your efforts but would the same principle apply to the opposing party? Would not it be unfair to impose such restrictions upon Papa Carlo and me and give a free hand to our permanent opponents who are equally responsible for inciting edit wars? Just consider one example Georgian-Abkhaz conflict:

• An ip removed valid info that Abkhazia is de jure part of Georgia and Russia supports the separatist cause in Georgia.[9] (I don’t think that anyone who follows the world news has doubts regarding that). Obviously, I reverted it. Within a minute, the recently registered account, User:HRM killkenny, removed the Russian-Georgian relations template from that article.[10]. I reverted the edit as vandalism. Within minutes, user:Pocopocopocopoco (the user who reported me for “sockpuppetry”) rolled back all my edits [11], prompting my retaliation. I invited my opponents to discuss the problem on talk page, but received no response. Instead, Pocopocopocopoco went ahead to report me for 3RR, while that newly registered user again deleted the info. Then Papa Carlo appeared and restored the article to its stable version. I was blocked for 3RR and HRM killkenny has since disappeared for good (apparently considering his/her mission accomplished). It should also be noted that Pocopoco has a long history of attempts at eliminating all mention of a Russian factor in Georgia-related articles. Just the day before, Pocopoco attempted to pursuade User:Moreschi to block me over the dispute in which he was not directly involved at that time (Moreschi then explained that me reverts were legitimate as I was fighting the blocked vandal.) The cooperation among that ip, HRM killkenny and Pocopocopocopoco was no less suspicious than Papa Carlo’s comeback to my aid, but I was reluctant to report it to ANI as I was preoccupied with my work on a couple of articles.

And this is just one example. I strongly decided to be more careful in the future to avoid stepping into a similar trap. You can consider that as my promise to exercise more restriction during edit wars, but if Papa Carlo and me are to be considered as one single editor, then the same should apply to Pocopocopocopoco and a series of ephemeral accounts allied with him. Anyway, I’m really grateful to EdJohnston for his efforts. --Kober^Talk 19:41, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

My watchlist shows that I was unblocked by User:Moreschi (many thanks to him!), but I'm still unable to edit pages. :( --Kober^Talk 20:28, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

You were autoblocked. Now hopefully fixed. Khoikhoi 20:49, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks for your time and consideration. --Kober^Talk 20:53, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Georgia

Dear Kober, I'm happy to see you back and that this ordeal is over. I have a question, on article Georgia [12] there is a claim thats the official name of the country is "Republic of Georgia." As I know, Georgia officially does not have such a name and changed it from "Republic" to simply Georgia in 1998. Is that right? Iberieli (talk) 03:56, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Wow I see you fixed the problem while I was posting this massage :) that was fast :) Thanks a lot. Iberieli (talk) 03:58, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

ამ დილა ადრიანათ რამ აგაყენა? :)Iberieli (talk) 04:12, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

შენ რა გითხარი! :) ისე ხომ იცი შემფირდი ფოტოებს მთებიდან გაჩვენეფო. Iberieli (talk) 04:15, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Well you are in luck Kober, I just have his book on my desk, I was using in for my research. Let me see. Iberieli (talk) 04:16, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes I did :) I just looked through the book: Studies in Christian Caucasian History and there is no mention about David Soslan :( Do you want me to check in Rapps version of Qartlis Cxovreba? Iberieli (talk) 04:23, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Following is from D.M.Lang book "The Georgians," p 114: In 1189 Tamar married David Soslan, an Ossetian prince with Bagration blood in his veins. Iberieli (talk) 04:26, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

NP Kober, tsavedi gavizineb :) amas uhure? [13] sascaulia. Iberieli (talk) 04:35, 25 July 2008 (UTC)