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DYK for Mr. Monk and the Man Who Shot Santa Claus

Callanecc (talkcontribslogs) 00:04, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Dust My Broom

Thanks for making April 1st special Victuallers (talk) 08:02, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Jade Etherington

The article Jade Etherington you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Jade Etherington for comments about the article. Well done! Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Hawkeye7 -- Hawkeye7 (talk) 10:51, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the review Hawkeye7. Best, Matty.007 10:59, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing out.

Haba that was good news, thanks, hanam nam Hafspajen (talk) 17:33, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Haha, that's made my day a lot more interesting! How did you find that? Thanks, Matty.007 17:47, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
It was big in Sweden at his time... Caramba was it. Hafspajen (talk) 18:07, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
Ah. Great find! Thanks, Matty.007 18:09, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

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Dispiriting

Re: Winkler. Between the "sounding a pedant" part and you're coming back with a second round of new concerns, the process felt dispiriting -- brownies aside. It's not that your concerns weren't valid or that they didn't improve the article. To me, the process grew quibbly and finicky -- rather than focused. And you seemed happy to move the finish line around at your own pleasure. You could have copied the Brunswick reference later in the article up to where you wanted it in a fraction of the time it took to communicate what you wanted me to do. Try in the future to provide a single round of review comments for a DYK -- and keep comments succinct. Thanks. Best. 842U (talk) 20:24, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

I figured it wasn't the most encouraging thing you've done, but I hope you can see where I am coming from. I have had a couple of poor articles of mine on the main page, and it's not an experience to try again. The reason I didn't copy the ref (I normally would if I could) was partially that I forgot, and partially that I didn't feel it needed the ref there if it was sourced later. Providing a single round of comments can be pointless, I can spend a fair amount of time pointing out issues, and the nominator will simply do nothing (see Template:Did you know nominations/Everything is Awesome, I gave a comment regarding size, which was ignored). I am very sorry for making it hard for you, and hope you come back to nominate more articles, and don't mind me reviewing other nominations of yours in the future. Thanks, Matty.007 08:35, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply, and thanks for posting the number of views. How does one locate the number of views now? 842U (talk) 11:38, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
On the template, there are the headings 'Live views' and 'Daily totals'. Live views gives slightly more, and enables you to see on the day of request, whilst daily totals is the one used in Stats and is only available the day after. Thanks, Matty.007 13:18, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Peter, King of Hungary

The DYK project (nominate) 08:02, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Andrea Doria-class battleship

The DYK project (nominate) 08:04, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Johnnie Boden

I can get access to several newspapers via (one) of my library cards - is this the info you were looking for on Johnnie Boden?

"Rich list" from the Sunday Times, 21 April 2013:

position = 368 "Pounds 215m Pounds 105m

Johnnie Boden and family Fashion and mail order Profits in Boden, the mail order and internet fashion retailer, fell sharply in 2011 from Pounds 32.5m to Pounds 17.9m, though sales rose 6% in the period to nearly Pounds 246m. Old Etonian Boden, 51, is looking to America for growth. The London-based operation is worth Pounds 300m, with the family stake worth Pounds 190m. There are other assets and past dividends. 2012: Pounds 320m, position was 255="

Don't know if this might help as well:

"Thatch is latest Boden fashion" by Chittenden, Maurice. Sunday Times [London (UK)] 13 Jan 2008 (it's actually an article about planning application submitted by Boden, hence the title!)

"Boden launched his clothing company in 1991. While on a banking assignment in New York, he was inspired by the high standards set by American mail order firms and on his return to Britain sent out his first catalogue featuring just eight menswear products. The whole operation was run from his flat. Today the internet has become his main business tool, turnover is more than Pounds 128m a year and he employs 600 staff. He made Pounds 22.8m profit in 2006."

SagaciousPhil - Chat 09:57, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Ah, thank you Sagacious! Do you know what "Pounds 215m Pounds 105m" means? Thanks, Matty.007 13:31, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
Seems to be he was number 368 on the list (of 1000 richest people) in 2013 and was worth a total of £320 million; In 2012 he was number 255 and total worth was also £320 million.
It's a bit difficult to work out with all the screeds of names and figures. Maybe this quote from Butler, Sarah. The Observer [London (UK)] 26 May 2013 might help clarify:

In the UK, sales growth has slowed as even Boden's relatively well-off shoppers, with a typical household income of pounds 70,000, are feeling the economic strain. The company has responded by cutting the price of its cheapest items, such as T-shirts, by about 20% and improving services such as delivery. Boden admits: "This year has not been as great as it should have been." Profits fell 45% to pounds 17.9m on sales of pounds 245.9m in 2011 - the latest figures - amid tough conditions and a big increase in the price of cotton, which is widely used in Boden clothes. But growth abroad and lower cotton prices lifted profits again last year, although the company will not reveal by how much. Boden, who is estimated to be sitting on a pounds 320m fortune according to the Sunday Times rich list, says he has no plans to sell his 60% stake (the rest is owned by former and current staff) or seek outside investment and wants to stay involved in the business "for as long as I'm good at it".

Can you tell me: if someone is using a mono skin, do scripts etc have to be placed in a mono.js page to work or will they port over from a vector.js page? SagaciousPhil - Chat 14:16, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the clarification. I'm afraid skins aren't my strong point, so I hope T13 won't mind me pinging him (he is much better at this than me). Thanks, Matty.007 14:21, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
Thanks - what I'm trying to do (in case you haven't guessed!) is sort out Hafs DYK checker and I've also found a short script to try and help him add refs. Crisco added the DYK checker to Hafs vector.js but Hafs says it's not showing in the toolbar. So I wonder if he's still in MonoBook or some such. SagaciousPhil - Chat 14:31, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, we seem to have got him sorted out now! SagaciousPhil - Chat 17:11, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
Sagacious: a ref (the BBC) said he was worth £215m, are you sure it isn't the other way round? {*Cough cough* [1] *Cough cough*) Thanks, Matty.007 19:08, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
Never mind thank you, someone had posted it online. Thanks, Matty.007 19:11, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
  • Check your inbox and let me know what it's come out like? The £320 million is the total of £215 million plus the £105 million - I'm still trying to work out what the two figures indicate (maybe personal wealth for one and ??? for the other). Some media quote the total, then bizarrely others quote one or the other; but the general media has always been so sensible (not)! SagaciousPhil - Chat 08:39, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
    • Possibly one actual moneatary wealth, the other assets? Or one his wealth, the other the worth of Boden? Thanks, Matty.007 13:54, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
Will we ever solve the Problem? Hafspajen (talk) 03:27, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
Haha, controversial! Matty.007 11:10, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
I say not only the Catalans [2] chucked the thing but the French too. [3] , also this, whatewer they are (Thailand?)[4]Hafspajen (talk) 12:31, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
Ta is the Tamil Wiki, with 10,000+ articles. Thanks, Matty.007 12:56, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
What kind of edit is this? [5]?
Presumably one that recognises that the change has little support. Matty.007 19:23, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

WikiCup error

Hi there- this is just a quick note to apologise for a small but important mistake in the last WikiCup newsletter; it is not 64 users who will progress to the next round, but 32. J Milburn (talk) 18:43, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

I had noticed the discussion on the talk, but thanks for the note. Matty.007 18:43, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Talkback

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Sam Walton (talk) 19:32, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Leighton Aspell

Working a we speak. I usually like to get an article up to rock-solid start class before I post it, so this is a bit different for me. At the moment I am just chucking stuff in so it will look a bit messy for the next 24 hrs, but I'm sure we will get there. I think the fact that he retired and came back could be DYK worthy. Tigerboy1966  20:08, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

By the way, the "s" key on my antique Toshiba laptop doesn't work too well (see above) so any help with copyediting would be welcomed. Tigerboy1966  20:09, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the help. I have had a look at it, and it looks fine, but I'll have a proper look tomorrow probably. Thanks, Matty.007 19:13, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

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Thanks for the clarification, it backed up what I had suspected from Sagaciousphil's posts, and this enables me to add it to the article as a reference. All the best, Matty.007 13:26, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Hurricane Juan (1985)

Thank you for your help Victuallers (talk) 16:03, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Emma Thompson

Thank you for helping the wiki Victuallers (talk) 08:02, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Graphic Designer's Barnstar
For sorting out File:The Diamond Jubilee Balcony at Buckingham Palace - Camilla (cropped).jpg for another user when I wasn't around. Cheers! Yunshui  09:04, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
Thank you Yunshui! The crop tool is easier than doing it by hand. All the best, Matty.007 09:13, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
Yes, I hadn't seen that before (I rarely go onto Commons; my know-how is all Wikipedia-based). Useful tool, thanks for pointing it out (to me, as well as Monkelese!). Yunshui  09:15, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
I don't venture much into the wilds of Commons, but I know a man who can! Thanks, Matty.007 09:21, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

sigh…

Whack!

You've been whacked with a wet trout.

Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know that you did something silly.

I'm bored. Hope you enjoyed nevertheless.

142.136.145.221 (talk) 00:18, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Why are bored people wacking you with a fish? Is this a new kind of joke? Hafspajen (talk) 22:53, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
Well, it's something to do! Matty.007 15:25, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Some funny stuff to go in your funny stuff section

look at the previous edit and edit summary for this one exoplanetaryscience (talk) 16:30, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

I'm afraid I don't get this one? Thanks, Matty.007 15:23, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
Oops, it seems that the fact that the current events is changed in formatting daily that the link broke the day after I posted it. Sigh, I'll go retrieve it in a couple hours. exoplanetaryscience (talk) 22:43, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Manchester United–Arsenal brawl (1990)

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:43, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK for HMS Algerine (J213)

Allen3 talk 10:52, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Toothache

--Allen3 talk 10:53, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Tintin in Tibet

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Possible DYK's you may be interested in.

Hi Matty, I've been pottering with a few parasport articles. One is the recent 2014 IPC Powerlifting World Championships, which I started on the 8th, and saw 14 out of the 20 winning medalists set world records. I think it has enough text in it to pass DYK, but I can always increase it if you think it needs more puff. While today's London Marathon winning men's wheelchair racer Marcel Hug, now has an article more befitting an athlete of his prominence. Cheers, FruitMonkey (talk) 16:25, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Both look like very good jobs. Nominating now; I was planning to get some of the recent GAs nominated as well, I've not had a chance, being on holiday. Thanks again, Matty.007 16:33, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
Done one, I'll do the other later today: Template:Did you know nominations/Marcel Hug. Thanks, Matty.007 16:53, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
In the lifting, please can you source paragraph 2 of 'Cometition'? Nominated Template:Did you know nominations/2014 IPC Powerlifting World Championships. Thanks, Matty.007 18:41, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
Done. FruitMonkey (talk) 14:45, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Solomon, King of Hungary

slakrtalk / 01:28, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Charles Kingsley Meek

Thank you very much indeed for your comment. Much appreciated. You're absolutely right that there is lot to work with in the DNB article. I honestly don't have time to do much more with the Wiki page myself for the moment, so if you fancy expanding it please go ahead and do so. Very many thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vietnamvat (talkcontribs)

I'll have a look in a few days, I am going away for a bit until Wednesday. If the article gets over 1500 characters of prose (i.e. excluding Wikilinks and the like) it can be nominated for did you know, which would hopefully result in the article appearing in that section on the main page. First things first though, it needs expanding, either by you or me when I get back. Well done on a very good new article! All the best, Matty.007 11:16, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK for UEFA Nations League

slakrtalk / 00:43, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK for 1953–54 Port Vale F.C. season

slakrtalk / 08:04, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Marcel Hug

Hello! Your submission of Marcel Hug at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Sideways713 (talk) 11:55, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

British history

hey, can you back me up with this?

Thanks, exoplanetaryscience AKA "generic user" (talk) 17:08, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

(Pinging NebY in case they want to add anything): Exoplanetaryscience, this is an article on a country. Adding an (unsourced) UFO sighting, and at the same time deleting vital information for that article is never a good idea. If there are reliable sources about the event, you may be able to create an article along the lines of United Kingdom (UFO sighting), if United Kingdom was the name of the location of the sighting. Just to note, words like "massive", especially in this context when no witness count is given could be considered peacock like language. I would recommend that you submit a new article to AFC to get an idea of notability and referencing. Hope you stick around! All the best, Matty.007 17:49, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the ping, Matty, and well said. Exoplanetaryscience, I'd just add that I gave you a mild warning because you'd done some constructive edits before, but please do be aware that such an act of vandalism is the first step in getting yourself blocked from Wikipedia and asking for another editor to back you up on it was the second. NebY (talk) 18:28, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
o_o exoplanetaryscience AKA "generic user" (talk) 18:49, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Ben-Hur (1959 film)

The DYK project (nominate) 18:17, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Maritza Arango Buitrago

How about the wonderful Maritza Arango Buitrago, which I think would make a handy DYK. FruitMonkey (talk) 22:57, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

FruitMonkey: what were facts were you thinking of for a hook? Her being a teacher before competing? Thanks, Matty.007 16:02, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
Speak to me FruitMonkey! Matty.007 18:59, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK for The 37's

slakrtalk / 09:04, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

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Page deletion

The Joudere Page is from a real upcoming actor. Please don't delete the page. I am his new manger. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yunngmelli67 (talkcontribs) 18:54, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi Yunngmelli67, I have nominated the article for deletion as you have not shown why he is notable. What you need to do is to use reliable sources to back up neutral facts, and show why he is notable. There are hundreds of thousands of actors and models, what makes this one so special? You need to use reliable sources to do this. Please ask me any more questions you have. Thanks, Matty.007 18:58, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

=section =Personal life== Hergé greatly enjoyed walking in the countryside.[1] ... Was this all? Hafspajen (talk) 10:57, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Hafspajen: I'm afraid I don't follow? Thanks, Matty.007 16:00, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
  • Well, there is this article, about Hergé, and it has a section: Personal life. And that section has only one line: Hergé greatly enjoyed walking in the countryside.... Weird section. Eh, really? I know a few people who are like that, no iterest in life except one or two things, and boring they are, indeed, but I can hardly imagine that Hergé is boring. Hafspajen (talk) 19:37, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
  • That's very odd, I thought one sentence paragraphs were discouraged? In a GA as well! All the best, Matty.007 17:52, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

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DYK for Texas annexation

The DYK project (nominate) 16:03, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Nice work, a few adjustments made from me, more to come, good luck with the DYK. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:25, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, I saw what you'd been doing, I am always on the watch for an article to write! Thanks, Matty.007 17:51, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK nomination of The Boat Race 2000

Hello! Your submission of The Boat Race 2000 at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! The Rambling Man (talk) 20:34, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi Matty, I came across your post at the teahouse about a photo for the article Ernest Radcliffe Bond. Just wanted to point out to you that any photo by the UK government prior to 1957 (e.g. a photo during Bond's army career) would be public domain per commons:Template:PD-UKGov. If you have come across any images like that, please upload them so that a free image can replace the image currently in the article! Thanks for your great work on that article! Calliopejen1 (talk) 23:08, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

OK, thanks for the heads up Calliopejen1. Best, Matty.007 10:17, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

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Query

Hi Matty

I need your assistance with the Bartholomew Bretherton (jockey) page. I've added some more information to this page regarding the "1836 Grand Liverpool Steeplechase". Having reread it, I feel that I have put it in the wrong place. I don't think it belongs under the heading FAMILY. Perhaps I should have entered a new section "BIOGRAPHY" above and put it there. However, having had problems with formatting previously, I am scared to try to enter anything else and put in any spaces in case the same thing happens. What do you think? Audrey202 (talk) 03:34, 23 April 2014 (UTC) Audrey202 (talk) 04:10, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

I changed the heading to 'Biography'. Please ask if there is anything else I can do, though bear in mind I am away with work until this Sunday. Thanks, Matty.007 17:50, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of The Boat Race 2000

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DYK for Western green mamba

PanydThe muffin is not subtle 14:52, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Years in Scotland template

Agreed. The main reason was I just never got round to adding it! I also intended to produce starter articles for the years so that others could add to them gradually, but I've been very busy recently. One day :) Regards Fishiehelper5 (talk) 20:03, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

OK, thanks for the reply. Best, Matty.007 10:18, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

GA/DYK 2012 Paralympics

Thanks for the DYK nomination. To be honest, I don't think I deserve much of the credit for the GA improvement - I just came along after all the work had been done and swept up some of the dust. Looking at the edit history, User:ViperSnake151 did the lion's share of the improving. But thank you again. - EronTalk 14:45, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

I credited you both in the nom, it seemed to me like you've both done work on the article. Thanks, Matty.007 14:48, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks

Yes, I could use that as an alt. I just thought that you had already used that hook for the western green mamba, so I thought maybe I couldn't. --Dendro†NajaTalk to me! 22:53, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

That is a very valid point, I still think that there should be a more shocking hook (which is also easier for simple laymen such as me to understand). Thanks, Matty.007 18:07, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks from me too!

Thank you for the barnstar. I am doing lots of DYK reviewing while I wait for my editor review to grind to a conclusion. I was going to review Henry Percy for DYK as well but you have not done a QPQ there either. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:34, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

I haven't done a QPQ on that for a reason: there are a few tags in the Ancestry table I am trying to resolve/discuss with another editor, so was discouraging people from reviewing it (the Grand National one was laziness I'm afraid, though I am doing a review now to make up for it). Thanks, Matty.007 19:37, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
  1. ^ Peeters 2012, p. 92.