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Question regarding that long-term vandal

Have another IP number to add to your list at your sandbox. I had a look around and couldn't find anything, so I'll ask you: is there a sockpuppet report or a long-term abuse page related to this person? RunnyAmiga ※ talk 19:47, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Whoops, I just remembered this via the link you provided at my talk a few weeks back. Is there an ongoing report that I could add to my watchlist? RunnyAmiga ※ talk 19:51, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

@RunnyAmiga: not really. But there is a public edit filter that I was literally just about to check when I saw your message here. Thanks for letting me know. —ATS 🖖 Talk 19:59, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

You're welcome, even though I should apologize. I'm sure you're thrilled to be dragged back into this. RunnyAmiga ※ talk 20:00, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

@RunnyAmiga: meh. That's why I'm keeping track. —ATS 🖖 Talk 20:03, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Grace V

Hi. Good to see you watching this closely as I have been. Just wanted to point out to you something regarding this. Notability does not apply to article content, only to article existence. A better explanation might have been "unsourced and trivial". No biggie.

On another topic, as soon as I can I'm going to ask at WP:RPP for this article to be put on pending changes. When you're writing about a twelve year old, you gotta expect a high degree of immaturity in the edits added. I hope they agree as it will save us both a ton of hassles. Best. John from Idegon (talk) 19:35, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi, John, and you are quite right—"trivial" was the better explanation. As for RPP, don't be entirely surprised if you have a rough go; editing is still minimal, and vandalism is still rare. —ATS 🖖 Talk 19:47, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

That's the great thing about PC....it doesn't necessarily require vandalism per se. It can be put on for just unconstructive editing and between us we've been reverting about 6 of those per day. John from Idegon (talk) 19:58, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

A lot of those are bad edits made in good faith, John. If, say, I was asked to comment on a request, I would have no opinion at the moment. —ATS 🖖 Talk 20:05, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

{{webarchive}}

Hi, thanks for your help here.[1] One thing is it also requires changing the argument names, and argument values, see the template documentation how it works. There's a conversion bot but may take a few weeks to complete. -- GreenC 19:00, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, Green Cardamom, I see what I missed. Cheers! —ATS 🖖 talk 19:11, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

Ike Altgens for TFA

• Hi ATS. This is just a friendly note to let you know that the Ike Altgens article has been scheduled as today's featured article for December 13, 2016. If you're interested in editing the main page text, you're welcome to do so at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/December 13, 2016. Thanks! — Chris Woodrich (talk) 11:35, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

vandal on Murder of Riley Ann Sawyers

WTH was with that? the only connection with JonBenet Ramsey is that they were both murdered children and blonde... and JonBenet wasn't even a real blonde! Paul Benjamin Austin (talk) 22:52, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

@Paul Benjamin Austin: I don't know that I'd call it vandalism; the editor may have been acting in good faith. Cheers! —ATS 🖖 talk 22:58, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

...death vandal

Hi ATS, saw your template at Jeanette Nolan. I doubt this will be of any long-term use to you, because the geolocation doesn't seem to match up, but I recall a similar vandal that I reported at the subtle-vandalism task force in 2014. The details are here. That guy used UK IPs, not US-based ones, so that's why I think it may be a false alarm, but I noticed that your guy tended to add superfluous days of the week, and my guy would add "on the evening of" and "on the morning of" and crap like that. Also had a focus on death causes. I know that I've also seen instances of "she bore him", but nothing so glaring that I would remember where it came from. I don't know anything about how edit filters work or how they could help, but maybe they can alert you to phrasing like "she bore him"? Anyway, I figured I'd say something even if it turns up nothing. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 05:07, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Whoops... Just did a search of my edit summaries and found this reversion of mine which led me to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Stylized as "stylized" currently; formerly "stylizeD"/Archive. Hope that gives you some more info. If he springs up again, it might be a good idea to open an SPI and incorporate your links and some explanations of the behavior just to make it easier to find later. I'm sure I'll forget the details and won't remember where to look. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 05:13, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi, Cyphoidbomb! I took a look and I don't think it's the same guy. Meantime, there've been a couple of reports already on the guy I'm watching; there's limited action to be taken against someone who jumps IPs virtually at will, and an SPI wouldn't tell us anything we don't already know. The talk templates, the category, the edit filter, and my manual search of IP strings helps revert him as quickly as possible, and every time he attacks anew his ISP gets another email. We'll stop him one way or another. Cheers! —ATS 🖖 talk 06:27, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Ike Altgens

I just noticed this. Congratulations on the promotion! -- Ssilvers (talk) 08:11, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

Thank you, Ssilvers! Feel free to help pick apart Kona Lanes if ya wanna. —ATS 🖖 talk 08:11, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

Heather O'Rourke, assigning religion to children

@ATS: Thank you for keeping an eye on this. I had to fight to have Marie and Johanna not be called "Lutherans" in their infoboxes. Yes, they were baptised Lutherans but they died when they were both toddlers and toddlers cannot understand two feet in front of them, let alone what a religion is. Paul Benjamin Austin (talk) 08:42, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, Paul Benjamin Austin. As much as anything, this to me is a matter of relevance. The template page specifically notes both Religion should be supported with a citation from a reliable source, showing self-identification if a living person; do not add a religious denomination here and "Overwhelmingly clear consensus" in this RFC is to remove this parameter from the infobox. For denominations use the denomination = parameter, which clearly says if relevant.

Meantime, it's redundant to ping someone at his own talk page. Cheers! —ATS 🖖 talk 09:41, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

Zsa Zsa Gabor

Well, I read the edit history again and now there's at least 20 editors and about 40 edits, I'm not specific because I don't want to count edits. Yellowdesk removed it again, but I think it's warranted; I'm posting it here because I don't want to be in a prolonged edit war, and I don't want to violate 3RR. Unless I'm missing something, I think the template guidelines warrant this one. A lad insane (Channel 2) 23:44, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

Avoidance of an edit war is why I gave in, Paige O. Rogers. It's probably not completely out of line now, but seeing it off-purpose is irritating.

Thanks for checking in! —ATS 🖖 talk 23:50, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

I'm posting it here because I don't want to be in a prolonged edit war, and I don't want to violate 3RR. And then you put it back?! That's not wise, Paige O. Rogers—you should seriously consider self-reversion and leave it to others instead. —ATS 🖖 talk 23:58, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

I took it down. I didn't violate 3RR though... I'm just going to completely avoid editing this article. It's probably for the best. A lad insane (Channel 2) 00:00, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Paige O. Rogers: WP:3RR does not mean "stay behind this line"—it's the bright line that virtually guarantees a block to stop disruption. Anyone engaging in an edit war can be blocked, line crossed or otherwise. —ATS 🖖 talk 00:05, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. I don't really edit all that much so I'm not all that great at all the protocols... I'll keep that in mind. However I am pretty sure that reverting my own edit doesn't count. A lad insane (Channel 2) 00:07, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

However I am pretty sure that reverting my own edit doesn't count. That much is correct. Happy editing! —ATS 🖖 talk 00:08, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

• About the {{recent death}} template: its purpose is not to indicate that there has been a recent death, but to note that circumstances are uncertain. Useful for murders, and the like. Put the information in the text, and that is sufficient. It was never intended for, and guide to use indicates it should not be used to tag articles about recently deceased individuals.
  Yellowdesk (talk) 00:14, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Yellowdesk: that's actually one of the reasons behind the purpose, if you'll forgive the pedantry. The other is to notify editors that there is a very large number of edits by a very large number of editors and, therefore, a higher risk of mis- and/or disinformation. —ATS 🖖 talk 00:23, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Maybe a few words added to the template could make that evident and clear up the confusion about when or when not to use it. I thought it was used for all major recent deaths, for the reasons you explain. Randy Kryn 1:04, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

I'll take a look, Randy Kryn. Cheers! —ATS 🖖 talk 01:12, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

We can call any added words the 'Zsa Zsa Gabor' guideline. Were you ever married to her? Randy Kryn 16:14, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Nah, Randy Kryn, I was probably the only guy on the planet who wasn't. —ATS 🖖 talk 18:49, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Commas

I took out the excess comma. I think there are three possibilities: We could:

• leave it as is now, or
• ... songs, and covers for YouTube, and continues... OR
• ... songs and covers for YouTube, and she continues...

Your choice. -- Ssilvers (talk) 07:51, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Hello, Ssilvers. The comma was intentional, serving as the grammatical separation of "creates" and "continues". She creates videos of originals and covers, and continues to perform. Cheers. —ATS 🖖 talk 08:05, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

I'm sorry to say, however, that it was not grammatically correct. All of the three choices above are correct in English grammar. Feel free to choose your favorite. -- Ssilvers (talk) 08:11, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

"She" was not a mandatory inclusion for me as no one else is mentioned; if you find it mandatory, the third choice is correct. —ATS 🖖 talk 08:14, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

FYI, see this, from Grammarly.com:

"Don’t use a comma before and when one of the clauses it’s connecting is a dependent clause.

Incorrect: Grace tossed the ball, and watched the dog chase it.

The first clause, "Grace tossed the ball" could stand on its own as a complete sentence, which means it’s an independent clause. But the second clause, "watched the dog chase it", can’t stand by itself as a complete sentence. That means it’s a dependent clause, so we should not use a comma before and.

Correct: Grace tossed the ball and watched the dog chase it." -- Ssilvers (talk) 08:35, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

This example is not analogous, Ssilvers, because the phrase at issue is not dependent. To be more specific—and, granted, it's hard to tell what has changed over more decades than I'd care to admit—here's what I see per what I'd learned:

• leave it as is now was not incorrect, but poor; it fails to properly separate "she does A and B for X, and [she] does C [as well]."
• "... songs, and covers for YouTube, and continues ..." is incorrect. It improperly separates "she does A, and B for X, and ..." where A and B are both in service of X.
• "... songs and covers for YouTube, and she continues ..." is unquestionably correct. "She", however, struck me as repetitious within the context.

Proof of independence: "she does A and B for X. She does C as well." —ATS 🖖 talk 08:45, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Merry Merry

Season's Greetings, ATS! At this wonderful time of year, I would like to give season’s greetings to all the fellow Wikipedians I have interacted with in the past! May you have a wonderful holiday season! MarnetteD|Talk 16:04, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Much obliged, MarnetteD! May your holiday be joyous! —ATS 🖖 talk 19:10, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

You are welcome and thanks for the kind wishes ATS. MarnetteD|Talk 19:13, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Season's greetings! All the best in 2017. -- Ssilvers (talk) 07:51, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Apologies, Ssilvers, I missed this in the flurry. Happy (whatever you celebrate)! —ATS 🖖 talk 05:22, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

	Merry Christmas ATS!!
	Hi ATS, I wish you and your family a very Merry Christmas and a very Happy New Year, Thanks for all your help on the 'pedia!    –Davey2010 Merry Xmas / Happy New Year 22:01, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Very kind, Davey2010! May your Christmas be happy! —ATS 🖖 talk 22:06, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

I know eh ... the only time of the year when I'm not a fully fledged dickhead! , Thanks ATS, I hope you have a lovely Christmas :), –Davey2010 ^{Merry Xmas / Happy New Year} 22:44, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

the only time of the year when I'm not a fully fledged dickhead! Perhaps, Davey, you should consult your physician? —ATS 🖖 talk 22:51, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Hahaha oh I've consulted him many times! –Davey2010 ^{Merry Xmas / Happy New Year} 22:57, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Merry Christmas, and start about 1:10 for "How To:Not be an all-year dickhead". Elves and scantily clad Midnight Visitors to you both. Randy Kryn 15:23, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Nice! Thanks so much, Randy Kryn, and a merry Christmas to you, too! —ATS 🖖 talk 18:58, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Fisher

You wrote this in the Carrie Fisher talk page

As you can see within the existing discussions, we cannot say this in Wikivoice until an attending physician, either through a spokesperson or the family, confirms a specific episode. The reliability of sources notwithstanding, they are, all of them, reporting what has been said by non-medical-professionals who witnessed the event.

Waiting for an attending physician is an unreasonable standard. Furthermore, it is very biased because the physician will only say what the family wants him to say. Even United Airlines did not reveal the name of the passenger.

Especially with politicians, but also with others, the released medical statement will often be inaccurate and overly optimistic. Politicians always insist they are healthy, even the ones with cancer that die later.

In WP, we go by reliable sources, not self serving sources. However, I am prone not to dispute you because, unfortunately, there is a reasonably high likelihood that Ms. Fisher will not be living in a month or less. That is sad. Usernamen1 (talk) 04:16, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Usernamen1, thank you for checking in. Your assertion that we go by reliable sources, not self serving sources is, unfortunately, simplistic in cases such as this, where we have a medical episode the details of which have not been confirmed. This is our benchmark.

Further, to suggest that the witness reports are somehow more reliable than a "medical statement" because lots of news agencies say so is a non sequitur and the literal opposite of encyclopedic.

From our standpoint, she did not have a heart attack. She did not experience cardiac arrest. Until a qualified, directly knowledgeable, reputable individual says so to a reliable source.

—ATS 🖖 talk 04:27, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

What is FITB? Something in the butt? Usernamen1 (talk) 05:20, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

@Usernamen1: yeah. Exactly. "Fill in the butt." —ATS 🖖 talk 05:23, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Per your request to discuss on your talk page, not the article talk page

FITB = Fifth Third Bank, also Fire in the Bowl, fucked in the butt. ???????? Usernamen1 (talk) 03:14, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

@Usernamen1: I redlinked immediately above to a nonexistent "article" that answers your rhetorical question. Are you here to build an encyclopedia, or just trolling at this point? —ATS 🖖 talk 03:39, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Please be more civil. Ok, if you don't wish to explain your abbreviations, you can have the Fisher article. Good luck. Usernamen1 (talk) 06:48, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Please be more civil. You have no idea ... —ATS 🖖 talk 09:56, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Now an official RfC

I have changed the informal RfC to a formal RfC. Your comments and mine in reply are all now in a discussion section, if you'd like to !vote one way or the other. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 00:30, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

My hat off to you...

..for this, because it demonstrates an ability to actively support a consensus that goes against your own preference - an admirable quality on Wikipedia. Thankyou. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 13:24, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

Very kind of you, PaleCloudedWhite. —ATS 🖖 talk 19:12, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

Happy New Year, ATS!

Happy New Year!

ATS,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.
–Davey2010 ^{Merry Xmas / Happy New Year} 12:47, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

   Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year fireworks}} to user talk pages.

Why?

What is the point of this [2]? Why not just go to the talk page and discuss the issue? Other voices there are needed, not edit summaries used to be pointy. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 22:51, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi, WV! The purpose was anything but POINTy—quite the opposite. The activity was approaching EW status—by all involved, not just one editor—and this was meant to help.

Specifically, piping in at talk—BLP overriding BRD as it does—might have appeared to target you, and I didn't want to give that impression. Also, the discussion should remain with creating content agreeable to all and worthy of inclusion, and that seems to be moving along fine. —ATS 🖖 talk 22:57, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 22:59, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Can you deal with 108.249.20.17 ?

This person appears to be an American fan of The Saddle Club and has consistently introduced Americanisms into the Jessica Jacobs article. Most notably claiming that Jacobs would have "graduated" from her school. Americans "graduate" but Australians "finish year 12 and leave school". He's also removed vandalism and disruptive editing warnings from his talk page. Paul Benjamin Austin (talk) 00:48, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

@Paul Benjamin Austin: I would recommend finding an admin or filing a report. There are SOCK and EVADE issues with this user. Cheers! —ATS 🖖 talk 00:58, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Refbundle?

Where is the guideline on "REFBUNDLE" that you referred to? I don't think the indentation makes the footnote look better. The top and bottom half of the footnote are not consistent in appearance, and it makes the footnote longer. I don't feel strongly and am happy to leave it the way you have it, as long as you're willing to watch the article to make sure that this added coding is used consistently, but I'd like to see the guideline you're referring to. -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:13, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

@Ssilvers: oops, sorry, it's CITEBUNDLE (or BUNDLING). That it makes the ref appear "longer" is—at least to me—irrelevant; the purpose is to make it easier to read. The indent is my personal preference, true, but the reason therefor is to compensate in appearance for the clickable "up arrow" to the left of the first citation within the bundle; a simple line break doesn't have the same effect, and bullets are overkill for me. —ATS 🖖 talk 20:20, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

OK. Thanks. -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:58, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Please do not speedy delete Allison Wilke

If you think her article should be deleted start a talk page instead where you can comment on deleting or not deleting. Wilke was a producer or assistant producer of many very famous movies such Pirates of the Caribbean or Daddy's Daycare or the currently playing and popular show The OA. She had done lots to spread awareness about cancer and was a brave and smart activist against and could be considered an underground version of Talia Castellano or Terry Fox plus search on google and there is a result called Allison Wilke Wikipedia. It would make no sense if people click on that and find no Wikipedia article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Red Icarus of Jakarta (talk • contribs) 20:45, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

@Red Icarus of Jakarta: Do not remove deletion templates. You are engaging in disruptive editing, for which you already have been blocked once. Any further blocks of your editing privilege will be for much greater periods of time. —ATS 🖖 talk 20:48, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

VanderWaal

I reverted these edits. Do you think that any of them were helpful? If you have a moment, please take a look and let me know. On a side note, changes like this editor made are, IMO, an excellent argument for why infoboxes are often not helpful. Thanks. -- Ssilvers (talk) 22:32, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Ssilvers. The only thing with which I disagree is the "See also" section, where the portal bar should be per MOS:ALSO. —ATS 🖖 talk 22:53, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

OK, thanks. -- Ssilvers (talk) 23:09, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

WP:DENY, WP:EVADE

Why did you comment "WP:DENY, WP:EVADE." when you reverted my edit to Jack Albertson? The text I removed was more relevant to an article about the Fox and the Hound films than to Albertson, which is why I removed it. Trivialist (talk) 23:02, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi, Trivialist. As you can see by my follow-up edit, this was an error. Not sure if I hit the wrong button, but the intent was to remove the edits by the most recent sockpuppet of 174.16.214.95. —ATS 🖖 talk 23:09, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Ah, OK. Thanks for replying. Trivialist (talk) 23:10, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Good Humor
	Thank you! I'm a noob here. Sorry, messing up that Friday the 13th movie page. Harshrathod50 (talk) 18:33, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, Harshrathod50! —ATS 🖖 talk 19:07, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

A Compilation?

I had seen many movies which feature soundtracks of the different bands' or singers' previously released studio albums. For example, The Angry Birds Movie, The Mask, etc.

What I wanna ask is that is it right to classify the soundtrack albums so formed of the above movies as a compilation album? Harshrathod50 (talk) 17:10, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi, Harshrathod50. This is not my area of expertise but, according to my research, you are correct in that a soundtrack can be classified as a compilation album if it comprises material compiled for the album. If a soundtrack is written/composed by one or more artists specifically for a film, it is not a compilation. There's a previous discussion on the topic here, and you can do keyword searches such as this one for additional guidance if needed. Cheers! —ATS 🖖 talk 19:59, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Question

Thanks for this edit ATS. When I checked the article for the album I noticed that the quotes are in the title. I looked further and found the redirect and the reasoning that brought this about. The quotes are part of the album title so I wonder if including them in the discography is the right thing to do. This is a small (likely trivial) detail but I thought I would get your view on the situation. Thanks for your time and cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 03:26, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

@MarnetteD: wups. Fixed. —ATS 🖖 talk 03:41, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

Many thanks. I had the same reaction you did when the edit popped up on my watchlist. Two or three years ago another editor was adding quote marks to article titles that should not have had them so that is why I had the inkling to dig into this a little further to see what was what. Best regards. MarnetteD|Talk 04:19, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

Thank you

For pointing out the situation regarding Onision in this edit. I see NeilN added a month of pending changes protection and i upped the semi protection to a month as well so that this can die down. I equally protected the talk page for a week since it was taking heavy flak damage - and i doubt anything productive would be created by the flood of meatpuppets over there... Excirial ^{(Contact me,Contribs)} 23:04, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

You're quite welcome, Excirial, and my thanks for your response. Cheers! —ATS 🖖 talk 23:09, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

Puppy

Yes, I agree. There are plenty of sources, but I think the puppy is too trivial to mention. -- Ssilvers (talk) 08:54, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

Template recent death

I wish to report that your proposed, and to this point in time, accepted, longer template text for the {{recent death}} template has made it easier than previously for me to delete the template for non-appropriate use, since even fewer recent uses of the template qualify for the voluminous edits to the wiki article that the current text to the template describes than the previous version did.
Yellowdesk (talk) 17:29, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

I appreciate the note, Yellowdesk. Cheers! —ATS 🖖 talk 20:26, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Invitation to join the Ten Year Society

Dear ATS/Archive 4,

I'd like to extend a cordial invitation to you to join the Ten Year Society, an informal group for editors who've been participating in the Wikipedia project for ten years or more.

Best regards, Chris Troutman (talk) 10:39, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

10 years of editing, today.

Hey, ATS. I'd like to wish you a wonderful First Edit Day on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Have a great day! Chris Troutman (talk) 10:39, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, Chris! —ATS 🖖 talk 17:45, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Kona Lanes scheduled for TFA

This is to let you know that the Kona Lanes article has been scheduled as today's featured article for 20 April 2017. If you're interested in editing the main page text, you're welcome to do so at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/April 20, 2017. Thanks! Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 10:43, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

User:45.46.75.165

Is calling a living person dead a serious-enough WP:BLP violation for a block? Thanks for your time! Nicnote • ask me a question • contributions 19:23, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

Hi, Nicnote. I'm not an admin, but if the user continues to vandalize following a level-four (final) warning, you should add him/her to the vandalism reports. Cheers! —ATS 🖖 talk 19:51, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

@ATS: Well aware (although, why not RfA? ;) ), I was just reading your user page and user boxes in all their glory. Thought I'd ask a true veteran of their independent and truly reliable thoughts on the matter given I imagine you've been to WP:AIV a couple more times than me. Thanks again! Nicnote • ask me a question • contributions 19:57, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

You've got mail!

Great(!) Another one.... Nicnote • ask me a question • contributions 22:22, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

Precious

"Sign, sign, everywhere a sign"

Thank you for quality contributions such as Kona Lanes with its "flamboyant neon lights", Ike Altgens, Bianca Ryan and the vocal group Forte, for an update 10 years ago and a simpler way, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

On a due day in the sun --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:49, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

This is exceptionally kind of you, Gerda! My thanks. —ATS 🖖 talk 05:58, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

3RR sanction

Last chance. Unless you choose either a 0RR for 72 hours on all articles, or a 24-hour block, I will choose the latter for you. El_C 09:09, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

See here. If you punish me and me alone, I will pursue remedy. —ATS 🖖 talk 09:13, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

You've been blocked from editing for 24 hours due to violating the Three revert rule. El_C 09:20, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

ATS (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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Request reason:

See here. Harout72 was not blocked. Chrishonduras was not blocked. A "deterrent" becomes punishment when a concerted, repeated, deliberate effort to circumvent policy in a biography of a living person is allowed to go unpunished. I was given a choice between punishments—nothing less. —ATS 🖖 talk 09:30, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

Decline reason:

Correct me if I've missed something, but Bowie is no longer a living person, and even if BLP somehow still applies to him, the edit in question is nowhere near what would qualify for an exemption to 3RR. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 13:31, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

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1. I don't agree with you that there was a BLP violation—certainly not to the extent so as to permit you an exemption from 3RR.
2. Even if there was, you should have taken it to BLPN to ensure it rose to the level of 3RR exemption, first. El_C 09:38, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

1. El_C, I vehemently disagree; "despite this reliable source, I think that figure is inflated, so I'm going to present a 'however'—that is, 'over 100M' as synonymous with 'approximately 100M'—to rebut it"—as directly admitted on the talk page—is SYNTH, violating both OR and BLP;
2. By your own underestimation—er, I mean, admission—the tag-team was "borderline". Your block is selective and, therefore, punitive. Either unblock me, or level the same "deterrent" block to the same offenders; otherwise, the lesson is "hey, cool, POINT don't mean shit! "

—ATS 🖖 talk 09:48, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

Maybe it's inflated, and maybe it's SYNTH, I have no opinion on that content dispute. You could have avoided a block and chosen the 0RR sanction—but you chose to ignore the choice altogether. And I already cautioned them, but 3RR is a greater violation than soliciting someone's opinion directly. El_C 10:02, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

I chose to "ignore" the choice altogether because a selective punishment is a selective punishment, El_C. They tag-team and get a caution; I try to act correctly and in the best interests of the goddamned encyclopedia and I get to choose a punishment. Tell me again why I would choose a punishment—and how "however, I (User:Whoever) say this number is bullshit because over this number is more accurate" could ever belong in a goddamned encyclopedia article. —ATS 🖖 talk 10:09, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

Before I finally go to bed at 03:32 in the fucking morning, I simply cannot stress this enough: "however". Goddamned fucking "however". This tag-team violation of policy specifically impugns a cited source without providing the data necessary to impugn the goddamned cited source. How the fuck is this ever encyclopedic? Ever?! —ATS 🖖 talk 10:32, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

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From Stave one of Dickens A Christmas Carol Old Marley was as dead as a door-nail. Mind! I don’t mean to say that I know, of my own knowledge, what there is particularly dead about a door-nail. I might have been inclined, myself, to regard a coffin-nail as the deadest piece of ironmongery in the trade. But the wisdom of our ancestors is in the simile; and my unhallowed hands shall not disturb it, or the Country’s done for. You will therefore permit me to repeat, emphatically, that Marley was as dead as a door-nail. So you see even Charles was looking for a reliable source :-) Thank you for your contributions to the 'pedia. ~ MarnetteD|Talk 23:27, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

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Yes, according to WP:LAYOUT, portals go in the "see also" section. That's when you use {{portal}}. However, you are using {{portalbar}} and according to MOS:SECTIONORDER Section 4 "Bottom matter", portal bars are placed at the bottom of the article below any navboxes and above categories. Thanks. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 19:33, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

Ah, thanks, Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars. I'm there now and will adjust presently. ATS (talk) 19:38, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

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@Stefan2: the file is now orphaned per NFCI #5. It can be deleted at any time. —ATS (talk) 21:45, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

If you want to delete a file which you have uploaded yourself, then note that you can simply tag it with {{db-g7}}. --Stefan2 (talk) 17:45, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

TYVM. —ATS (talk) 19:12, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

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