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WikiProject Anatomy newsletter (#6)

Released January 2018  · Previous newsletter  · Next

Hello WikiProject Anatomy participant! This is our sixth newsletter, documenting what's going on in WikiProject Anatomy, news, current projects and other items of interest.

I value feedback, and if you think I've missed something, or don't wish to receive this again, please leave a note on my talk page, or remove your name from the mailing list.

Yours truly, --Tom (LT) (talk) 10:48, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

What's new

	new good articles since last newsletter include Thyroid, Hypoglossal nerve, Axillary arch, Human brain, Cerebrospinal fluid, Accessory nerve, Gallbladder, and Interventricular foramina (neuroanatomy)
	I write an Introduction to Anatomy on Wikipedia in the Journal of Anatomy [1]
	Vagina receives a lot of attention on its way to good article status.
	We reach two projects goals of 20 good articles, and less than half of our articles as stubs, in July 2017. [2]
	A discussion about two preferred section titles takes place here.

Introduction to WikiProject Anatomy and Anatomy on Wikipedia

We welcome all those interested in anatomy!

Seeing as we have so many new members, and a constant stream of new editors to our articles, I would like to write in this issue about how our project and articles are arranged.

The main page for WikiProject Anatomy is here. We are a WikiProject, which is a group of editors interested in editing and maintaining anatomy articles. Our editors come from all sorts of disciplines, from academically trained anatomists, students, and lay readers, to experienced Wikipedia editors. Based on previous discussions, members of our project have chosen to focus mainly on human anatomy ([3]), with a separate project for animal anatomy (WP:ANAN). A WikiProject has no specific rights or abilities on Wikipedia, however it does allow a central venue for discussion on different issues where interested editors can be asked to contribute, collaborate, and perhaps reach a consensus.

Project and article structure

Wikipedia has about 5,500,000 articles. Of these, about 20,000 fall under our project, about 5,000 of which are text-containing articles. Articles are manually assigned by editors as relating to our project (many using the rater tool). As well as articles, other Wikipedia pages in our project include, lists, disambiguation pages, and redirects. Our articles are improving over time, and you can have a look at our goals and progress, or last newsletter, to get a better idea about this.

Our articles are structured according to the manual of style, specifically here. The manual of style is a guideline, which "is a generally accepted standard that editors should attempt to follow, though it is best treated with common sense, and occasional exceptions may apply", and prescribes the layout of anatomy articles, most of which follow it.

Our articles are organised in a particular way. Most articles have a infobox in its lead, describing key characteristics about the article. Because we have so many articles, articles are often linked together in different ways. An article tends to focus on the primary topic it is written about. Further information can be linked like this, or piped (like this). We use navboxes, which are the boxes at the bottom of articles providing links to similar topics, as well as hatnotes. Typical hatnotes in articles include {{main}}, {{see also}} and {{further}}. This lets us link to relevant and related articles. The bottom of articles also shows categories, which store groups of related articles.

Tools

For interested editors, our project offers a number of additional tools to help edit our articles. On our main page appears a log of the most edited recent articles. An automatic list of recent changes to all our articles is here. We have a list of the most popular pages (WP:ANAT500). To keep abreast of news and discussions, it is best to monitor our talk page, newsletters, and our article alerts, which automatically lists deletion, good article, featured article, and move proposals. We also have a open tasks page for editors to create lists of tasks that other editors can collaborate with. Articles are also manually assigned to a "discipline", so interested editors in for example, gross anatomy, histology, or embryology can easily locate articles via here.

Our project has all sorts of smaller items that editors may or may not know about, including a barnstar, user box ({{User WPAnatomy}}), welcoming template ({{WPANATOMY welcome}}) and fairly comprehensive listing of templates (here).

Invitation

We are always happy to help out, and I invite new editors, or for those with any questions relating to how to get around the confusing environment that is Wikipedia, to post on our talk page or, for a kind introduction to questions, at the WP:TEAHOUSE.

How can I contribute?

• Ask questions! Talk with other editors, collaborate - and if you need help, ask!
• Continue to add content (and citations) to our articles
• Collaborate and discuss with other editors - many hands make light work!
• Find a space, task or type of article that you enjoy editing - there are lots of untended niches out there

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DYK for Season of Crimson Blossoms

On 26 January 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Season of Crimson Blossoms, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the taboo-breaking debut novel Season of Crimson Blossoms ended up winning Africa's biggest literary award instead of attracting the severe backlash the author expected? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Season of Crimson Blossoms. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Season of Crimson Blossoms), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Gatoclass (talk) 12:01, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Page mover granted

Hello, Ammarpad. Your account has been granted the "extendedmover" user right, either following a request for it or demonstrating familiarity with working with article names and moving pages. You are now able to rename pages without leaving behind a redirect, and move subpages when moving the parent page(s).

Please take a moment to review Wikipedia:Page mover for more information on this user right, especially the criteria for moving pages without leaving redirect. Please remember to follow post-move cleanup procedures and make link corrections where necessary, including broken double-redirects when suppressredirect is used. This can be done using Special:WhatLinksHere. It is also very important that no one else be allowed to access your account, so you should consider taking a few moments to secure your password. As with all user rights, be aware that if abused, or used in controversial ways without consensus, your page mover status can be revoked.

Useful links:

• Wikipedia:Requested moves
• Category:Articles to be moved, for article renaming requests awaiting action.

If you do not want the page mover right anymore, just let me know, and I'll remove it. Thank you, and happy editing! Anarchyte (work | talk) 12:31, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

If you need any help, just ask me, I'm also an experienced page mover! Just kidding, congrats. Regards, Mahveotm (talk) 20:41, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. @Mahveotm: –Ammarpad (talk) 07:05, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Dave Holland

Okay, before you ignore this as "that one editor from ITN/C that posted the nomination for the really bad article" I nominated it in the hope that it would attract attention and maybe get cleaned up. It's happened before. I'm fine with the "strong oppose", that was justified. But I would have been fine without the you shouldn't have nominated this. -A lad insane (Channel 2) 05:06, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

@A lad insane: My apologies for the part you're "not fine with". And thank you for understanding my rationale why the article should not be –and was not– posted to the main page. –Ammarpad (talk) 06:12, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, and sure. -A lad insane (Channel 2) 15:38, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

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17:07, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Please let Kathryn Sophia Belle have her chosen name

I am troubled that you reverted corrections to the Gines page (which should be the Belle page) to revert to a name Kathryn Sophia Belle has now herself abandoned (i.e., Kathryn T. Gines). Surely she should have the name she herself chooses to go by respected on Wikipedia as well as professionally by her employer:

Please see: https://www.ktgphd.com/ http://philosophy.la.psu.edu/directory/ktg3

Please be respectful and leave the edits to her new name as they are. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RRKennison (talk • contribs)

WP:COMMONNAME. -A lad insane (Channel 2) 17:30, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi, @RRKennison: as A lad insane already said above Wikipedia article titles are based on common names found in reliable sources. And if you want rename an article you have to move it entirely with the history to the new title, not just rename lead section. –Ammarpad (talk) 20:52, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:David Wolfe (entrepreneur)

The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:David Wolfe (entrepreneur). Legobot (talk) 04:25, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Draft:IT Arena

Hi! Thanks for informing me about page deletion. Translating and posting article is new for me, that's why I have a question: "IT Arena" was an article that I picked for translation from the Ukrainian Wikipedia. Originally it was a page about the biggest IT event in Eastern Europe (so I thought it is worth for translation and posting on wiki). That's why I tried to translate article via Contributions>Translations. But this option has a bug and doesn't work appropriately, so I posted it as a simple article with "Translated|uk|ІТ Арена". But a few days later "User:Izno" deleted my article due to "stubify-very spammy/promo" and posted info about some company. Is it ok? and what should I do to avoid this situation in the future?

Thanks in advance! Chekannataliia (talk) 10:11, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

The article now is not deleted but it is in draft Draft:IT Arena because it has zero reference and very little content, therefore not suitable for mainspace. You can now continue improving it there by adding more content and references. The previous article although I don't know it, seems to have been deleted because of promotional language, i.e Spam. So you should write your articles in neutral tone using reliable sources and avoid any language with smakcs of promotion and advertising. –Ammarpad (talk) 23:24, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

D.A.Z.

Regarding D.A.Z., I just want to point out that the move log is misleading in this case. The page history shows that the article was originally created at D.A.Z. in 2011, moved to D.A.Z. (album) by In ictu oculi in 2015, reverted by another editor in 2016, and now moved a second time by In ictu oculi today. Station1 (talk) 21:46, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

No, it is not misleading, it means it is controversial. Because it is reasonable to expect In ictu oculi to move it back once it is moved, that's why I said the wise thing to do is full Requested Move. If the move resulted in D.A.Z. then they cannot revert it, but if it is done they way you want it, you have given them easy way to revert the move and that will become move-warring which is not good –Ammarpad (talk) 05:08, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

I'm not sure that I was clear about what I meant by "the move log is misleading". What I meant was that I assumed you based your WP:RM comment that "that move was also reversing another challenged move" on the move log (this), rather than the page history (this). As you can see, they do not match. If I was wrong in that assumption, my apologies. My point in the above comment was that the page history shows that the article was at D.A.Z. from its creation in 2011 until yesterday except for an 11-month period in 2015 when In ictu oculi previously made the same controversial move that was reverted by a different editor. In any case, it is a long-established consensus that when someone makes a bold move (there's nothing wrong with that), but another editor disagrees with that bold move, the move can be reverted and then discussed. This is no different from any other edit where the bold-revert-discuss cycle takes place. I would have simply reverted the move myself if I had the technical capability. Since I don't, I asked an admin to do it for me. The reason these moves should be reverted before discussion is that there is a strong inclination to retain the status quo in cases where there is no consensus, so the long-standing status quo should not be changed immediately prior to a discussion. And for what it's worth, although I often disagree with him in move discussions, I don't think it's reasonable to expect In ictu oculi to engage in move warring. Station1 (talk) 07:38, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

Thank you Station1 for this clarification, perhaps I should clarify myself a bit too. But first I want you to understand, on Wikipedia, many a times it about what is right not who is right. When I went to WP:RMT, I even pulled down the Move menu to move the page, but then I remembered to check the move log and history in case of situation like this. Alas, I was right, I just saw In ictu oculi moved the page in less than 24 hours. Further down the history page I saw the original page name and the 2015 move by In ictu oculi again and the reversal of his move by Koala15. This sequence of moves and reversals turns any other move "controversial", and WP:RMT is only for simple uncontroversial cases where no one will reasonably object. That's why I didn't move it and suggested the use of Requested Move discussion because of its advantage. As I said above, if the move request discussion closed with D.A.Z. then In ictu oculi cannot move it to his preferred title again, but If I'd moved it; it is clear he will have moved it back, since he has already done this, this is self evident. Now it boils down to: who is right and what is right. Let me tell you frankly, You are right, in requesting the move since In ictu oculi never discussed the move. But what is the right thing to do? Simple: Requested Move discussion because there is clear sign that it will be contested.

• Regarding your thought on consensus and state of article, I agree with what you said, but I want you to understand the initial title (which you prefer) can no longer be said to be the status quo because his first move almost stayed for a year unchallenged.
• Thank your good faith in him, that he may not revert, but in situation, where article is titled "A", In ictu oculi moved it to "B", another person moved it back to "A", and In ictu oculi moved it again back to "B", it is reasonable to expect that any subsequent move (especially less than 10 hours after his move) will be reverted by him. I am not talking about whether he is right or not, but this is about antecedent understandable by Humans.

I hope you'll understand me too, especially since you are no longer interested in discussing the move. I am not an Admin, but as a Page Mover I only went there to help and now it is looking like I am interested in either names; I am not. Personally, I don't think that page will survive AfD or at least will end up as redirect to the singer's main article. It is not worth all this thing. Thank you. –Ammarpad (talk) 10:58, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

I still disagree, but very much appreciate you taking the time to reply. I do agree that this particular article is not worth further action. Best wishes. Station1 (talk) 04:31, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. I also appreciate your calm responses. –Ammarpad (talk) 05:46, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

Autopatrolled granted

Hi Ammarpad, I just wanted to let you know that I have added the "autopatrolled" permission to your account, as you have created numerous, valid articles. This feature will have no effect on your editing, and is simply intended to reduce the workload on new page patrollers. For more information on the autopatrolled right, see Wikipedia:Autopatrolled. Feel free to leave me a message if you have any questions. Happy editing! Schwede66 06:45, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

Category:Wikipedians who like Black Mirror

Hey! I saw that you edited the article Black Mirror and thought maybe you would be interested in this new user category I created?-🐦Do☭torWho42 (⭐) 11:58, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

Closing RMs

Thanks for your work on the RM backlog. Appreciated! I hope my comments might be helpful.

Firstly, when you use template:RM top to close a move discussion (as you should, using subst as you have been) you should also use template:RM bottom. Suggest you review the documentation.

Secondly, I've pinged you from one of your recent closes and asked for some clarification. This in no way challenges these closes or decisions. I'm just asking for additional comments that will be relevant to the discussion on the guideline. Andrewa (talk) 04:20, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

I note the need for substituting the bottom template and will do so in my next close. I saw your ping and will respond there shortly. Thank you. –Ammarpad (talk) 05:21, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

I've fixed the two in which I've been involved, but if there are others you might like to see whether they also still need fixing. (Or I can if you like, just point me to them.)

If you perform the move before closing the discussion, the bot system then talks you through the process a bit, so I do it that way around. But I don't think that's suggested anywhere, I discovered it quite by accident. Andrewa (talk) 05:27, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

Thanks again, I close few and think I can fix them. I usually (I think always) closed first, then move so as to include the permalink to the discussion, in case other discussions forced the RM to be archived one day. –Ammarpad (talk) 05:37, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

OK... so you include the permalink in the edit summary? Interesting idea, I can see how that's helpful. Hmmmm... there may be other ways... Andrewa (talk) 09:38, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

Regarding Deletion of Article

Hi,Hope you are doing well!

Please let me edit the Article once again as we do not have personal intensions to promote the product or artist. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Techpriya (talk • contribs) 16:30, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

@Techpriya: I am not the one who deleted the page, I only tagged because of promotional language. Ask the deleting admin Jimfbleak on their talkpage if you're sure the subject is notable –Ammarpad (talk) 16:47, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

Your moving of Hokaglish

Hello Ammarpad, I am sorry to bother you but could you re-check your moving of this article please? I believe, Elmidae made a mistake requesting this as "uncontroversial" move. There has been a valid move discussion at Talk:Philippine Hybrid Hokkien with a consensus to not move the page. The recent copy/paste move goes against this consensus without any new substantial arguments or any good-faith attempt to re-discuss this question beforehand. The vast changes within the article itself have also removed or damaged several references and introduced new unsourced claims. Overall they have decreased the article's verifiability significantly. I am sure, you and Elmidae have acted in good faith here, but this is a little bit of a mess. The article should be reverted back to its original situation and content - and if the researcher wants to make such drastic changes, he can use the talkpage like everyone else. I won't revert the change myself to avoid any edit-warring, but I'd greatly appreciate it if you could give it a second look and/or advise how to proceed. Thanks in advance for your time and efforts. GermanJoe (talk) 13:52, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

If that's the case, I apologize; I did not check up on any previous discussions. Seemed like a sensible enough swap, and I usually pop in these requests quickly if the intent seems legit, to forestall the editor starting an edit war with copy/paste moves. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 16:47, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @GermanJoe: I am trying to reply you and Elmidae has just also respond. Actually, I checked the history to see if there was any move and counter -move (as I always do when actioning RMT request, see this section above). When I checked, I found the said copy-paste move which is an attempt to direct to the new name and seeing that the talkpage dicussion has limited participation and has been a while I moved the page since consensus can change. However now since Elmidae has no objection again, it will be restored and I think this is resolved. Thank you all. –Ammarpad (talk) 17:00, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for the quick response, Ammarpad. The problem with this article: it's almost entirely based on recent publications from only 1 researcher, and this author edits the article to reflect his personal research and terminology. Without multiple sources from additional researchers the topic might not even meet the criteria for stand-alone notability, but without an expert linguist it's hard to tell. Anyway, I'd be glad to discuss any possible improvements with the original author on article talk of course. GermanJoe (talk) 17:14, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

Thanks too. –Ammarpad (talk) 17:28, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Boss Mustapha

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i gave reference

i try to publish now and doesnt show up? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.63.40.40 (talk) 12:34, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

It will show up, but as that page is transcluded make sure you add the text together with the reference and use Show preview button to see how the page will looks like when you publish.–Ammarpad (talk) 12:41, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

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20:51, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Moving pages

Hello to you, Ammarpad. This is a gentle reminder that one of the first things you need to do when you rename a page is to make sure that participants in the RM can continue to easily get back to it to see what has happened. In some cases, this means leaving a pointer on the talk page where the RM used to be, as I had to do at Talk:Community Unit School District 200#Requested move. Most of the time, though, it is done by recreating the old talk page, just like I did a few moments ago for Talk:Matt Smith (comics). This is necessary whenever a redirect is not left behind. That way, the RM particants have a ready redirect link back to the new talk page that holds the RM debate. Thank you sincerely for your contributions and for your vital help with moving pages!  Paine Ellsworth  ^put'r there  00:50, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

Since I wrote the above, another editor decided to retarget Matt Smith (comics) to the disambiguation page. Then a bot came along and resynchronized Talk:Matt Smith (comics) and I had to convert the page to a soft redirect. Sometimes the process can be a little confusing, so let me know if you have any questions – I'll be glad to help.  Paine Ellsworth  ^put'r there  01:22, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

I used to restore every redirect that I earlier suppressed if it's necessary and meaningful and create new talkpage if needed. But creating new talkpage is not mandatory and can be done by anybody, like you just admit above, another editor has already done it.

Note that reader doesn't type "Matt Smith (comics)" or "Joe (American rapper)" in search bar. The bracketed dismabiguator is only for internal use. They only type "Matt Smith" and then the software will redirect them to "Matt Smith (disambiguation)" as already set. Every editor who is savvy enough to participate in Requested move will be able to find new page where ever it is located through DAB pages, the same way that you followed and find it. Soft redirect is only used for redirect to other WMF projects or historical pages when there's necessity. Talk:Matt Smith (comics) should redirect to where the associated page redirects, we don't redirect talk and parent page to different targets for the sake of small discussion which will get archived one day. –Ammarpad (talk) 05:13, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

To create a redirect, or to use the {{Talk page of redirect}} template and place a pointer to the closed RM debate is considered a courtesy to debate participants. Comply or not, although compliance is an improvement for Wikipedia. Happy Publishing!  Paine Ellsworth  ^put'r there  16:12, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Military Sealift Command

The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:Military Sealift Command. Legobot (talk) 04:27, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

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How do you change an RM target without being disruptive?

Regarding your comment here: How is it WP:DE to withdraw a WP:SNOWBALL move request and replace it with one more in line with policy? Is there a standard procedure for altering a move request in place, in a way that avoids confusion? —67.14.236.50 (talk) 23:47, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

Whether it is WP:SNOWBALL or full request that was withdrawn it doesn't matter. The substance of the matter is that after crystal-clear opposition, the pro-move decided to withdraw and make new request with the hope to garner support in another way, since the other failed and they want make it look like it never happened. If this is not WP:DE, then it is WP:GAME which is subset of WP:DE, that's why my reminder. –Ammarpad (talk) 12:42, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

After opposition to one title which did not conform to policy, I proposed a different title that did, starting a new discussion under the advisement of another editor on that page. If I wanted to “make it look like it never happened,” I wouldn’t have left it intact. I assure you, I was acting in good faith. So I ask again:

Is there a way to correct a move request without DE? —67.14.236.50 (talk) 13:01, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

I know you're acting in good faith and I never imply otherwise. It seems you're only counting move request that took place at Talk:Vikings (TV documentary series). Before that there was this MR by Woodensuperman which closed with clear consensus against move. Yes, the way to correct move request after clear opposition is to wait for considerable period of time and make new request. That period has no exact length on Wikipedia, but 3 months, 6 months and above are widely used on Wikipedia for any unspecified period like that. –Ammarpad (talk) 13:25, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

title change:Chapathi

i'm unsure as to how the process goes but i've updated a new comment on the talk page. please check. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.44.177.134 (talk) 21:31, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

You have to substitute the template and fill the parameters. That's {{subst:requested move}}. But since there's was recent move request which you requested and was closed with unanimous opposition; it will be better for you to left it till after reasonable period of time like 3 months or above before proposing another move. Thanks –Ammarpad (talk) 15:51, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

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• TemplateStyles has been deployed to the Swedish Wikipedia. TemplateStyles is a feature to make it easy to add CSS to templates without administrator privileges. This allows for better adaptability to screen sizes, especially on mobile where are half our total page views. If your community would like to be the next to have the feature, please submit a task on Phabricator. [15][16][17]
• Registration pages now collect keyboard/mouse usage information for research on identifying spambots.

Changes later this week

• You can opt in to a new beta feature that lets you use visual diffs on history pages. [18]
• The visual editor shows and lets you edit templates in one way, and reference lists in another. This meant that templates that only contain a fake reference list, like {{reflist}}, would not get updated as you edited. Now they will update as you edit, but you will no longer be able to visually edit them as templates. [19]
• The abuse filter extension has a new feature contains_all that you may use to check if one or more strings are all contained in another given string. [20]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 13 February. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 14 February. It will be on all wikis from 15 February (calendar).

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• The settings page and beta options for the mobile website are being improved. [21]

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21:59, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Heat-not-burn tobacco product

The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:Heat-not-burn tobacco product. Legobot (talk) 04:25, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Please Re-check & Remove the Tag

Hi,I removed the advertising column from the page,please check & remove the tag as requested.

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by GeethanjaliG (talk • contribs) 13:13, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Hi, @Geethanjali: Write your reason on the article's talkpage here, an administrator will review it. Also take some time and read some relevant Wikipedia policies/guidelines especially on promotion and conflict of interest. –Ammarpad (talk) 13:23, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Sorry about that

All my fault. Artix Kreiger (talk) 15:28, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Don't worry, you're acting in good faith. It was just you misunderstood something and now you understand. We are all WP:NOTPERFECT. Thank you. –Ammarpad (talk) 15:34, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

yes. I will stop moving things from place to place. (except articles I publish). ok? Artix Kreiger (talk) 19:13, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Talk:Police Academy (franchise)

Did I close this properly? Artix Kreiger (talk) 15:49, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Tower of Babel/Confusion of Tongues merger

Ammarpad, I wanted to thank you for performing the merger between Tower of Babel‎ and Confusion of tongues‎ today. I had planned on doing it myself but I decided to hold off until 45 days due to limited participation. On reflection, I think you were right to go ahead and do it now since it was over 30 days with no objections. Thank again. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 16:04, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Thank you too Eggishorn. You also did good work by starting the discussion, since the tagging editor just placed the tag and disappeared. That can make it to linger for several years there if nobody dares to be bold and perfom the merge. –Ammarpad (talk) 20:35, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-08

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Recent changes

• The explanation of the abbreviations on the recent changes page could overlap with the list of changes. This has been fixed. [22][23]
• You can now see statistics for pageviews per wiki per country. You can see this on maps or in a table. [24]

Problems

• Linter is reporting estimated counts instead of actual counts for some wikis. This is because of performance problems. You might notice a false higher number in linter counts for some categories. This will be fixed as soon as the performance problem has been fixed. [25]
• Last week the way that Visual Editor displays references lists was changed. As a result, the references generated by specific templates like {{sfn}} are not visible in the references list whilst editing. [26][27]

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 20 February. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 21 February. It will be on all wikis from 22 February (calendar).

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Future changes

• The way edit summaries and log comments are stored in the database is being changed. In the future this will make longer comments possible. [28]
• Edit conflicts could be solved in a different way in the future. You can test a new prototype.

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22:54, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Vikings

Hi there. Regarding your close at Talk:Vikings (TV documentary series)#Requested move 14 January 2018, given the controversy regarding this discussion, I think this should not have been closed by a non-admin. Stronger weight should have been given to the arguments that were supported by the guideline, which admittedly was changed while the discussion was taking place. The close should also have taken into account the result of the move at Talk:Vikings (2013 TV series)#Requested move 13 January 2018. To be fair, the whole discussion has been a mess. Given the recent change in the WP:NCTV guideline, which happened while the discussion was taking place, I also don't think any prejudice should have been given regarding a future move, as the guideline now expressly mentions that genre should not be used. --woodensuperman 15:59, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

I would say that this is a WP:DEADHORSE as we have had two back to back move requests. The move close should be respected and possibly revisited in a few months. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 16:42, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

@Knowledgekid87: Considering the fact that the closer didn’t even acknowledge the weight of policies and guidelines (or really acknowledge anything) in the debate, and seems to have completely misinterpreted the withdrawn Jan 11 RM, it seems fair game for re-evaluation. —67.14.236.50 (talk) 21:50, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

@Woodensuperman: I don't see any controversy and I perused every sentence there and its underlying argument by both supporters and opposers. I believe my close was fair and wouldn't have changed if closed by someone else. I still believe 3 move requests in a month by people who didn't get what they want borders on disruptive editing. If you believe my close was not in concord with the consensus of the discussion, you can request it to be reviewed at Move review. –Ammarpad (talk) 12:20, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

What arguments persuaded you that it should be an exception to the consensus against disambiguating by genre? —67.14.236.50 (talk) 13:12, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

@67.14.236.50: First, the close is not arbitrary sole "exception to the consensus" as your question tried to allude. Disambiguating by genre is not the only result of the RFC, the following clause is also in the result:

"If this [referring to (TV series) disambiguator] does not resolve the ambiguity, a consensus of editors on the article's talk page should determine what additional disambiguation qualifier is appropriate, on a per-article basis." Source

• On that article, "(TV series) disambiguator" is not sufficient as there's already historical drama with similar name. Therefore pro-move, bare !votes like this has little weight in consensus determination.
• There was move request closed with clear opposition against move Only 3 weeks ago.
• You started another RM earlier, after it garnered substantial opposes you withdraw so as to "propose another".
• Then you started another RM. It was relisted twice and the discussion went moot, the last comment before my close was yours on February 2, my close was on February 8, i.e 6 days later. I perused the entire discussion and each side has fair points but I didn't see consensus for move. Before writing this reply, I reviewed the discussion again and I still stand by my close. if you still believe I am wrong, or this explanation is not enough, or you just don't agree, please request for a review at the appropriate venue. –Ammarpad (talk) 17:47, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for explaining your rationale here. —67.14.236.50 (talk) 15:03, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

Move review for Vikings (TV documentary series)

An editor has asked for a Move review of Vikings (TV documentary series). Because you closed the move discussion for this page, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the move review. --woodensuperman 09:04, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

Permanent link to Move Review result. –Ammarpad (talk) 09:43, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Move request

Hi, I've requested an uncontroversial move providing sources, may you take care of it? 151.48.199.75 (talk) 11:43, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

I just left a message for you both on the RMT page and your talkpage. The move is no longer uncontroversial and discussion has already been opened. –Ammarpad (talk) 11:48, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Request on 12:05:25, 20 February 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by Tamperm1

• Tamperm1 (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Semantic Computing Research Group (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I noticed your comments and I want to create my own page for this research group as there is much more to be told and maybe it would be good to reorganise the article. We have a similar article in the Finnish Wikipedia and we would like to have it also in the English counterpart, therefore I would like to know what needs to be done better or what more should we add?

We can add more about the discussed prototypes (such as WarSampo is a notable Finnish service and it has won an award just last year), awards of the research group, events (seminars, publication events etc.), media coverage (from news to morning shows), and so on. Would this be enough for an article?

Tamperm1 (talk) 12:05, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

@Tamperm1:. The problem of the draft is more than I thought. I will advise you to read relevant "English Wikipedia" policies and guidelines on corporate spamming and conflict of interest editing.

• Finnish Wikipedia is different from English Wikipedia and has its own requirements for having article. So weather there's similar article there or not it doesn't matter.
• The thing that should be done is to follow the advice left in the draft, but more importantly read WP:COI, WP:N and WP:PROMO first.
• You don't need to add any new thing. But who and who is included in your plural "We". Are you company or a group of people?–Ammarpad (talk) 12:28, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

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Talk:Mistakes in English law

I am about to close it as consensus to move. I wanted to ask you before I go ahead. Artix Kreiger (talk) 13:32, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

@Artix Kreiger:. Well, I cannot do that, and I don't think there's anybody with the authority to give you "go ahead" on closing move discussion; if you're confident on your close then close it, if you don't know how, then probably don't do it. It seems you don't understand my message, the reminder and the the original problem.

The only thing that I cautioned you is moving several pages undiscussed. Like moving the now-reverted move on several Tajikistan related pages and moving of "entire pages in this category" to wrong title (which you thought was correct) and of course, without discussion. I never questioned any of your move discussion closure, I can't remember seeing one too. You should reread the linked discussion to understand the main point I want make.

If you want read guide on closing move discussions, you can do so at WP:RMCLOSE. –Ammarpad (talk) 14:01, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

yes yes yes. I have re-read all the things. Perhaps I don't totally understand but I try. I just wanted a WP:3O before I do anything. If ugh, you think I shouldn't do it, i'll leave it to someone else. Artix Kreiger (talk) 14:03, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Just read the instructions given at WP:RMCLOSE. If you're confident of yourself do it, if unsure, leave it for another editor. –Ammarpad (talk) 14:07, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:PAX Labs

The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:PAX Labs. Legobot (talk) 04:24, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

Paul Cox

The film director and footballer have roughly the same number of views. In my view there is no primary topic. If you feel that it is not uncontroversial just put it there. Inwind (talk) 20:41, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

You should've replied where the discussion was first. Primary topics especially of long standing titles are better found via requested move not by moving one title because you saw they have roughly similar pageviews. Page view is not what solely determine primary topic. –Ammarpad (talk) 20:53, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

GOCE February 2018 news

Guild of Copy Editors February 2018 News Welcome to the February 2018 GOCE newsletter in which you will find Guild updates since the December edition. We got to a great start for the year, holding the backlog at nine months. 100 requests were submitted in the first 6 weeks of the year and were swiftly handled with an average completion time of 9 days. >>> Sign up for the March Drive! <<< Coordinator elections: In December, coordinators for the first half of 2018 were elected. Jonesey95 remained as lead coordinator and Corrine, Miniapolis and Tdslk as assistant coordinators. Keira1996 stepped down as assistant coordinator and was replaced by Reidgreg. Thanks to all who participated! End of year reports were prepared for 2016 and 2017, providing a detailed look at the Guild's long-term progress. January drive: We set out to remove April, May, and June 2017 from our backlog and all December 2017 Requests (a total of 275 articles). As with previous years, the January drive was an outstanding success and by the end of the month all but 57 of these articles were cleared. Officially, of the 38 who signed up, 21 editors recorded 259 copy edits (490,256 words). February blitz: This one-week copy-editing blitz ran from 11 through 17 February, focusing on Requests and the last articles tagged in May 2017. At the end of the week there were only 14 pending requests, with none older than 20 days. Of the 11 who signed up, 10 editors completed 35 copy edits (98,538 words). Thank you all again for your participation; we wouldn't be able to achieve what we have without you! Cheers from your GOCE coordinators: Jonesey95, Miniapolis, Corinne, Tdslk, and Reidgreg. >>> Sign up for the March Drive! <<< To discontinue receiving GOCE newsletters, please remove your name from our mailing list.

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Tech News: 2018-09

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• Checkusers and stewards can now view private data such as the IP address in the abuse log. This data is removed regularly. [29]

Problems

• Last week's MediaWiki version was rolled back because of a bug. [30][31]
• Since the deployment train last week until late evening on 20 February UTC, when you thanked someone for an edit, the thank went to the latest unthanked edit to that page. It didn't matter which edit you tried to give thanks for. This has been fixed. [32]
• Special:Statistics did not take newly created pages into account since 13 February 2018. Because of this the statistics are recreated. [33][34][35]

Changes later this week

• Users with version 10 of the Internet Explorer browser will no longer get JavaScript on Wikimedia wikis. If you use this browser on your computer, you can try upgrading to a newer version. [36]
• The Wikinews wikis will switch to use the Remex parsing library. This is to replace Tidy. It will happen on 27 February. Other wikis will be recommended to switch soon when they have fixed the errors that must be fixed. Tidy will be removed in the middle of 2018. [37][38]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 27 February. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 28 February. It will be on all wikis from 1 March (calendar).

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19:52, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

You've got mail

Hello, Ammarpad. Please check your email; you've got mail!
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.

Seen, mulling over it. –Ammarpad (talk) 16:01, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

Sent you another email, this one a bit more time restricted. SkyWarrior 05:10, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. I have commented on the discussion page. –Ammarpad (talk) 07:22, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

Request to move a page

Hi Ammarpad am requesting that the page User:Icem4k/Draft14 be moved to It Chapter Two (2019 film) thats a start to the upcoming 2019 horror movie that has some useful information for start I moved it but another user redirected it to It (2017 film). Chabota Kanguya (talk) 13:52, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Icem4k, I have seen that you already asked the editor who redirected the page Bovineboy2008, so please give him sometime to respond. –Ammarpad (talk) 14:16, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

Ammarpad Okay thanks. Chabota Kanguya (talk)

Question

I am curious as to why you disregarded the contest I raised of a technical move request[39] and moved the page as requested?[40] I would hope that you are not in the habit of using your tools in this manner (effecting a supervote).--John Cline (talk) 04:55, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

Hi, @John Cline: You're not contesting the move. You're asking that the page is a content fork and should be merged back "after discussion" preferably. Explicitly:

This article is a content fork of The King and the Mockingbird and in my opinion should not be a separate article but instead redirect to the main article. If a discussion decides otherwise, I'd be fine with that consensus, but I'd need to see it discussed.--John Cline (talk) 00:11, 28 February 2018 (UTC) diff

"Moving page" (which was requested) and "Merging page" (which you suggested) are two different things and they're not mutually exclusive. They can both be done at any time. The article can be merged back to parent content at whatever title it is, but the request is valid and you're contesting something different which is a content dispute, not related to that. Also, to be more clear, after reading the article I concur with you, I agree it doesn't deserve a separate page, but that also cannot stop executing valid technical request. So because I don't want it in separate page, or you're contesting forking doesn't mean I should oppose something different entirely, that's moving it to correct title which already redirects there.. –Ammarpad (talk) 05:06, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

I understand your argument, and it would have been well placed threaded under mine. If you read the bullet instructions at wp:rmt, you'll see that I followed the second bullet's instructions, and regarding the third, when you arrived, "the contested request was left untouched, without reply." I'm merely suggesting that you exercise caution to avoid your actions being adversely construed.

You should either have added a reply to the contest so it was no longer without reply, and left it for another to handle, or followed the subsequent instruction and created a requested move on the article talk and removed the request.

If you contend that those instructions tell you to evaluate the strength of a contest raised, and further to disregard those you feel are weak I contend that you're a better reader than me. Cheers my friend.--John Cline (talk) 06:49, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

Editing News #1—2018

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Did you know?

Did you know that you can now use the visual diff tool on any page?

Sometimes, it is hard to see important changes in a wikitext diff. This screenshot of a wikitext diff (click to enlarge) shows that the paragraphs have been rearranged, but it does not highlight the removal of a word or the addition of a new sentence.

If you enable the Beta Feature for "⧼visualeditor-preference-visualdiffpage-label⧽", you will have a new option. It will give you a new box at the top of every diff page. This box will let you choose either diff system on any edit.

Click the toggle button to switch between visual and wikitext diffs.

In the visual diff, additions, removals, new links, and formatting changes will be highlighted. Other changes, such as changing the size of an image, are described in notes on the side.

This screenshot shows the same edit as the wikitext diff. The visual diff highlights the removal of one word and the addition of a new sentence. An arrow indicates that the paragraph changed location.

You can read and help translate the user guide, which has more information about how to use the visual editor.

Since the last newsletter, the Editing Team has spent most of their time supporting the 2017 wikitext editor mode, which is available inside the visual editor as a Beta Feature, and improving the visual diff tool. Their work board is available in Phabricator. You can find links to the work finished each week at mw:VisualEditor/Weekly triage meetings. Their current priorities are fixing bugs, supporting the 2017 wikitext editor, and improving the visual diff tool.

Recent changes

• The 2017 wikitext editor is available as a Beta Feature on desktop devices. It has the same toolbar as the visual editor and can use the citoid service and other modern tools. The team have been comparing the performance of different editing environments. They have studied how long it takes to open the page and start typing. The study uses data for more than one million edits during December and January. Some changes have been made to improve the speed of the 2017 wikitext editor and the visual editor. Recently, the 2017 wikitext editor opened fastest for most edits, and the 2010 WikiEditor was fastest for some edits. More information will be posted at mw:Contributors/Projects/Editing performance.
• The visual diff tool was developed for the visual editor. It is now available to all users of the visual editor and the 2017 wikitext editor. When you review your changes, you can toggle between wikitext and visual diffs. You can also enable the new Beta Feature for "Visual diffs". The Beta Feature lets you use the visual diff tool to view other people's edits on page histories and Special:RecentChanges. [41]
• Wikitext syntax highlighting is available as a Beta Feature for both the 2017 wikitext editor and the 2010 wikitext editor. [42]
• The citoid service automatically translates URLs, DOIs, ISBNs, and PubMed id numbers into wikitext citation templates. This tool has been used at the English Wikipedia for a long time. It is very popular and useful to editors, although it can be tricky for admins to set up. Other wikis can have this service, too. Please read the instructions. You can ask the team to help you enable citoid at your wiki.

Let's work together

• The team is planning a presentation about editing tools for an upcoming Wikimedia Foundation metrics and activities meeting.
• Wikibooks, Wikiversity, and other communities may have the visual editor made available by default to contributors. If your community wants this, then please contact Dan Garry.
• The <references /> block can automatically display long lists of references in columns on wide screens. This makes footnotes easier to read. This has already been enabled at the English Wikipedia. If you want columns for a long list of footnotes on this wiki, you can use either <references /> or the plain (no parameters) {{reflist}} template. If you edit a different wiki, you can request multi-column support for your wiki. [43]
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—User:Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 23:14, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Yakiv Smolii

Hello! This week, the Ukrainian parliament will decide who will be the new Chairman of the National Bank of Ukraine. The President of Ukraine nominated Yakov Smolii. The Verkhovna Rada has introduced information on the registration of a draft resolution on the appointment of Yakov Smolii as the Chairman of the National Bank of Ukraine http://w1.c1rada.gov.ua/pls/zweb2/webproc4_1? pf3511 = 63337 and the draft resolution on the release of Gontarevoy VO from the position of the Chairman of the National Bank of Ukraine (No. 7500). What's more, you wrote that they had already begun work on an article on Yakov Smolii. With this in mind, I ask you to find a way to speed up the procedure for creating a site about Yakov Smolii: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Yakiv_Smolii Once again, thank you in advance for your work! Julia Sholoh - — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ysholoh (talk • contribs) 10:01, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

Hi, @Ysholoh: I left message at your talkpage. You can also continue improving the article now at Yakiv Smolii. –Ammarpad (talk) 11:52, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

Reconsider move request: Rhomobphryne alluaudi

In response to the request of Plantdrew, a section has now been added to the page Rhombophryne alluaudi that deals with the taxonomy of the species based on the new paper. Also, the changes published in the new paper are now accepted in the Amphibian Species of the World database (here). Therefore, a move of the page to Plethodontohyla alluaudi is now justified. Please let me know if this is best done through a new move request, or if it can be done now without discussion. Mark D. Scherz 23:21, 1 March 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mark.scherz (talk • contribs)

Hi, @Mark.scherz:. I think @Plantdrew: only objected due to lack of the source then. So let him comment, since I pinged him now. if he there's no further opposition, it can be moved as by request at the normal venue WP:RMT. Thanks.–Ammarpad (talk)

I have zero objection to moving now. The source was added, and the change is reflected in a secondary source now. Plantdrew (talk) 18:23, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

OK, thanks. I moved it and referenced here. –Ammarpad (talk) 19:30, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

Not quite done; you've done 1 step of the round robin move, I think. Plantdrew (talk) 19:35, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

I am done now. I waited to retrieve the Permalink to this discussion after I already vacated the redirect, that's why. Thank you all. –Ammarpad (talk) 19:43, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-10

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• You can now make longer edit summaries. [44]

Changes later this week

• You can notify users in edit summaries. They will get a ping just as if they had been mentioned on a wiki page. [45]
• On Special:AbuseLog you can now choose to list only actions that actually made an edit. Other actions are when the filter warned the editor or blocked the edit from being made. There are also more search options. [46][47]
• Wikis can enable Citoid to provide automatic reference look-up in the visual editor and the 2017 wikitext editor, but it is complex. The tool will now warn in the JavaScript console if the configuration isn't correct. Soon Citoid will disable itself if the configuration isn't correct. Check that your wiki is configured correctly. You can ask for help if you need it. [48]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 6 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 7 March. It will be on all wikis from 8 March (calendar).

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Future changes

• In the future you will be able to use global preferences. This means you could change a preference for all wikis instead of having to change it every time for each wiki. You can now test global preferences and give feedback.
• You can now read about planned works on maps during 2018. This will be done by June. You can give feedback on the planned maps work.

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17:12, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Fort MacKay aerodromes

Please know that I reverted your moves of Talk:Fort MacKay/Firebag Aerodrome, Talk:Fort MacKay/Albian Aerodrome, and Talk:Fort MacKay/Horizon Airport. Thanks, 117Avenue (talk) 03:02, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Neutral notice

A move request regarding Deadline.com / Deadline Hollywood, an article whose talk page you have edited, is taking place at Talk:Deadline Hollywood#Requested move 11 March 2018. It is scheduled to end in seven days.--Tenebrae (talk) 19:26, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

Thank you

I am grateful for your kind vote of support at my WP:AN#Topic ban appeal. It is much appreciated alongside the words regarding reflection and another chance. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 04:50, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

Don't mention. Happy editing. –Ammarpad (talk) 23:27, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

Mind if I ask

On your profile, you list Hausa as your language. Mind if I ask for a translation for Wikidata? Im looking for "Village in China", "Village in Indonesia", and "commune in Morocco". I mean, as part of a sentence such as "x is a village in China", but without the "x is a" part. Thank you in advance. Artix Kreiger (talk) 01:05, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Artix Kreiger. Bear with my belated response as you can see I am not active these days. The English preposition "in" is usually translated as "a" in Hausa and village is called "Kauye". So the " X is a village in China" should generally be "X kauye ne a China". Note the introduced "ne" pseudoword. Thanks. –Ammarpad (talk) 23:57, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

Draft:MISHÉLL

Hello, I recently started to rewrite the draft of this entry, I saw that you placed one of the annotations, I wanted to know what you think about the draft now--E.F Edits (talk) 09:50, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Belated response. Please which draft are you talking about? Sorry, I can't find it. Thanks. –Ammarpad (talk) 00:00, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

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Tech News: 2018-11

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Recent changes

• 3D models can now be uploaded to Commons. [49]
• Page Previews has been updated to use HTML for previews. This has fixed many issues. An A/B test was done on English and German Wikipedia to measure how it is used. Other changes were also made. [50]
• Some edits have to be checked against too many conditions before they can trigger an abuse filter. If that is the reason no filter is triggered the edit will be tagged for review. [51]
• Auto-saving has been added to the visual editor and the 2017 wikitext editor. Right now it is meant to help if your browser crashes or if you accidentally close a tab. [52]

Problems

• The abuse filter did not tag all edits that should have been tagged after last week's MediaWiki version had come to the wikis. It was fixed on 9 March (UTC). [53]

Changes later this week

• You can notify users in edit summaries. They will get a ping just as if they had been mentioned on a wiki page. This was originally planned to happen last week. [54]
• It is now possible to specify the block parameters for each filter in Special:AbuseFilter. The parameters include block duration and if the user should be blocked from editing their own talk page. The block duration is separate for anonymous and registered users. [55][56]
• A hundred Wikimedia wikis will switch to use the Remex parsing library. This is to replace Tidy. It will happen on 13 and 14 March. Other wikis will be recommended to switch soon when they have fixed the errors that must be fixed. Tidy will be removed in the middle of 2018. [57][58][59]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 13 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 14 March. It will be on all wikis from 15 March (calendar).

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19:44, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Faith healing

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Kidada Jones wiki

The last time I made an edit it was changed. There is no proof Kidada Jones was engaged. That's why I removed it. It has never been confirmed from Tupac's family nor has he ever spoken on a supposedly fiance. There is actually a video where he says he doesn't have time for marriage. Facts Only (talk) 18:07, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

You can discuss changes on the article talk page if some editors disagree with you or talk to the editor directly. . –Ammarpad (talk) 14:47, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

Kusaila

The latin name Caecilius is just an hypothesis by Dufourcq. There is an other hypothesis for this name by Modéran, but the most used name in sources is Kusaila. All of this etymologies could be discussed in the body of the article (the latin origin of the name vs the native one). Can you move the page to "Kusaila"? Regards. -Aṭlas (talk) 18:41, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Aṭlas. As you can see in the log, the move was requested by Super Dromaeosaurus as technical request. If you object to any technical move request you should just move the request to "contested request " section right before the move is executed so as not waste effort in moving back and forth. –Ammarpad (talk) 19:01, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

So what can I do now ? -Aṭlas (talk) 19:09, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

It will be moved back as contested. Just informing you in case. Thanks. –Ammarpad (talk) 19:14, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

Thank you -Aṭlas (talk) 19:23, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

Accuracy International AX50

Hi, can I ask you about your acceptance of the above draft? I was looking at it just as you accepted it. To my mind, it's got some issues and I see it's been tagged already for promotional content. Basically, it's got four sources:

• Source 1 - this is the company's own site;
• Source 2 - this claims to be a review, but actually just takes you to the NRA main page;
• Source 3 - this takes me to Sniper Central, which looks to me like a blog. If it's not, it's certainly a trade/niche website and I'd like to have an idea of its reliability;
• Source 4 - this also says it's the company's own site but appears to be a blog.

So I'm not sure you've got any solid sourcing. Let alone "significant coverage". The second issue's the tone. How about, "it ensures superb accuracy and performance in the harshest of conditions". And that's sourced to the company's own site. Way too promotional, I think. And then you've a bunch of other promotional claims which aren't sourced at all; "the design of the battle proven AW50 and built to withstand sustained, heavy usage", "inheriting all the attributes of its predecessor", "designed with long range precision accuracy in mind", "it is the result of requests from military users for a more accurate anti-materiel weapon".

To be blunt, to me it's a poorly sourced advert for a gun. I'd be interested to understand your reasons for accepting it. KJP1 (talk) 20:22, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

I came here to post a similar message, and would be interested in your response. I've moved this back to the draftspace for the moment, but if no further improvements are made, deletion under G11 would be appropriate. Vanamonde (talk) 09:33, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

KJP1 AFC is not meant for accepting excellent or perfect articles. It is stub in development and doesn't look" blatantly promotional" to me. If you believe it is non notable you can request it's deletion. AFC review is not meant for perfection and it is not necessarily that all reviewers will have similar view on a particular draft. If you believe it should delete you can do that, via the available method, may acceptance cannot hinder that. –Ammarpad (talk) 10:20, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

@Vanamonde93:. I intended to reply before your post. So, as I replied to KJP above, I don't believe that stub is "blatantly promotional" to merit deletion and albeit not superb article, its acceptable stub in my view which may not be the view of another person. I have no opinion on the move to draft, same way I don't on the article in whatever space it is. If it is overly promotional it should be deleted outright. –Ammarpad (talk) 10:28, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

I don't think an article needs to be perfect to be accepted. I'm not particularly well-versed with the AFC standards, but I'm sure something that meets CSD criteria should not be accepted; common sense would dictate that, even if the AFC rules don't. As has already been outlined above, this was pretty blatantly promotional. The only reason I've draftified it is because there was a suggestion on the talk that the page should be worked on. If it isn't, I intend to delete it under G11. Vanamonde (talk) 10:36, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Vanamonde93 – Ammarpad Absolutely agree that reviewing at Afc has an element of subjectivity, and should also state that I'm relatively new to it. That said, this, with its weak sourcing and promotional tone, did strike me as an unacceptable draft, under Afc's guidance. Hence my G11 when I saw it had been accepted. Now that it's back in draft, we can see what others think. Regards. KJP1 (talk) 11:09, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

KJP1 the "G" in G11 means general. if something is "truly" promotional beyond doubt, then it will be summarily deleted in whatever namespace it is. Even then, it is subjective, what one Admin will delete another will not and can claim otherwise. When it is "worthy" of moving to draft, that even weakens the promotion argument more. I don't claim it is promotion-free, (I have re-read it twice) but also I don't think it is anything big to disagree about this. When you saw it first, if you have moved it to draft outright, or nominated it for deletion I wouldn't have any objection on that, as several accepted AFC articles are deleted daily, and that doesn't mean bad reviewing. Articles in draft are only improved by their creators not like mainspace. Promotional tone is different from promotional article. Colossal number of article in mainspace and draft have element of 'promotional tone' while beyond doubt 'promotional articles' are deleted. –Ammarpad (talk) 11:26, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Why?

Зачем вы отменили мою правку?--Весельчак7 (talk) 12:22, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Весельчак7 Please can you write in English? I don't understand this language. Thanks. –Ammarpad (talk) 12:26, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Oh, hi. It's Russian. Why had you reverted my edit?--Весельчак7 (talk) 12:31, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

This?: because it is a test edit. Test edit is not allowed in articlespace. If you want do test edit do it here in your sandbox and learn editing markup there. –Ammarpad (talk) 12:37, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

I'm not a newcomer. I'd been editing in ruwiki for long time. I want to become a resident in enwiki. (sorry for my bad English)--Весельчак7 (talk) 12:41, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Прошу Вас помочь мне освоиться в енвики.--Весельчак7 (talk) 13:39, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-12

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Problems

• On March 12 early morning UTC, the number of 503 error messages increased due to an issue on esams datacenter. It has been fixed. [60]

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 20 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 21 March. It will be on all wikis from 22 March (calendar).

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Future changes

• From April 4, the autopatrol status of edits will only be accessible in the Recent Changes database table, so only for 30 days. [61][62]
• In-Context Help and Onboarding is a new project, aiming to improve retention of new wiki editors. The goal is to give them short tutorials and other training experiences based on their activity. Collaboration team is expecting feedback and comments on the project talk page, especially from people working with newcomers.

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15:03, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Turning Point

Hello sir , i'm Talking About My Draft Turning Point And I request You To Please Approve my draft Turning Point Submission It Is An upcoming Hindi Indian Movie With It's Detailed Biased on IMDB Page: Turning Point So Please Approve My Submission in Wikipedia.....Thank You And Please reply ... — Preceding unsigned comment added by AvanishR (talk • contribs)

Hi, AvanishR. It is important for you to first read what Wikipedia is and importantly what it is not. Also read policy about promotion and guideline on inclusions of movie articles. Encyclopedia article cannot be written with promotional tone and even worse with only one sources which is the website of the company that produced the film. Endeavor to provide multiple reference from newspapers and magazine and add to the article, after that submit the way you did before; it will be reviewed again by me or another reviewer. Thank you. –Ammarpad (talk) 17:38, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Sparx Group edit

Hi Ammarpad, thanks for your review. I would appreciate your opinion about the notability of this subject - is this not a notable subject? Competitors that have Wikipedia pages include Indus capital partners, [First Eagle Investment Management]] , GAM (company) and all of the firms listed on List of asset management firms. The list has good representation in the US and Europe, but bare bones for Asia. I see that some of the major competitors also do not have Wikipedia pages.

Sparx has been a public company for 30 years, and is one of only a handful of activist funds in Japan, where mostly activist investing is frowned upon. It is a top 10 independent asset manager in asia by assets, top 100 or so in the world.

Articles # 2, 4, 9, 11, 13 are all journalistic articles regarding the firm that are not press releases. I can add more articles in Japanese if you see that the subject itself is notable.

Thank you.Zelgizbog (talk) 13:25, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Zelgizbog. It is important for you to first understand what Wikipedia is and importantly what it is not. Also read policy about promotion. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, it is not place for publicity competition by companies as you may have thought. Read the guidline about companies/organization here WP:CORP and add more reference to your draft. Don't mind other articles, each article on Wikipedia is judged on its own merit. –Ammarpad (talk) 17:43, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Sorry for bothering, i want to know how can i make My article do not like a advertisement

About the article "Shenzhen Laidian Technology Co., Ltd." I have written an article to introduce a Chinese technology company's history and its business, including the introduce of sharing power bank, which is a quite popular business in china now. It's running structure is just like ofo sharing bike. I swear it is not an advertisement, just an introduction of a company who brings the new business to the chinese market. I followed the structure of DJI and ofo(sharing bike)'s article, they also talked about the products or marketing. Why i cannot write about these?

Plz tell me how can i improve it to make it be published — Preceding unsigned comment added by Green lboro (talk • contribs) 22:37, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Duplicate post, replied below. –Ammarpad (talk) 17:44, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Lists of earthquakes

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23:07:30, 18 March 2018 review of submission by Green lboro

• Green lboro (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Shenzhen Laidian Technology Co., Ltd. (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

About the article "Shenzhen Laidian Technology Co., Ltd." I have written an article to introduce a Chinese technology company's history and its business, including the introduce of sharing power bank, which is a quite popular business in china now. It's running structure is just like ofo sharing bike. I swear it is not an advertisement, just an introduction of a company who brings the new business to the chinese market. I followed the structure of DJI and ofo(sharing bike)'s article, they also talked about the products or marketing. Why i cannot write about these?

Plz tell me how can i improve it to make it be published

Green lboro (talk) 23:07, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Green Iboro. I have already left a note in the draft but I will add that the article needs more references as several claims are unsourced. Also it may not be your intention to advertise and I lay no blame on that, but the way it is now is largely in non neutral tone. See Neutral point of view policy. So even if they talk more about product and "marketing" on their website, it is not your work to amplify that, but just summarize what independent sources say. Thanks. –Ammarpad (talk) 11:13, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

15:47:45, 22 March 2018 review of submission by Timmysweb

• Timmysweb (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Formel D (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Timmysweb (talk) 15:47, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

Timmysweb (talk) 15:47, 22 March 2018 (UTC) Please help me. I don´t understand the problem with my references. There are not many English articles about Formel D to which I can refer because it is a German comnpany.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Timmysweb (talk • contribs)

Hi, Timmysweb, the problem with the references is that they're not from different independent sources. Except two citations the remaining are all to the comanies's website www.formeld.com/en/. Also know that, although English sources are preferred here, non-English ones are allowed. So you can add the sources that are in German.–Ammarpad (talk) 17:57, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

20:42, 22 March 2018 (UTC) Kalvary Church Ludhiana

For review User:Mj.dogar/Kalvary Church Ludhiana mjdogar20:36, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

It will be reviewed, be patient. There are many drafts also waiting to be reviewed. But before then, I will advise you to add more references as the only references I saw are a YouTube link and the Church's website which are not enough to establish notability. –Ammarpad (talk) 22:35, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

Talk:AT27

Thank you to do that #Redirect,I　dont know how to do justnow,and please do more #Redirect for some page that we find diffcult,because little letters is easy to remember;too long word is diffcult to rememberDongmanzongli (talk) 19:13, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi, @Dongmanzongli: It is not that hard. If you want create redirect page just put #REDIRECT [[target page name here]] and publish the page. But before that, you should read guidelines regarding appropriate and inappropriate redirects at WP:REDIRECT.–Ammarpad (talk)

Governor-General of South Africa page move

Can I ask why you feel it is a contested technical request? The proposed page already redirects to the current page, since 2004, so I cannot see how it can be contested. It is common knowledge that the head of state and government is the President of the Republic now, so moving the page to the short form, I cannot see how it's in any way controversial. --Tærkast (Discuss) 13:25, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

The prior move was regarding capitalisation of Governor-General, so it is not relevant. --Tærkast (Discuss) 13:56, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Union of South Africa is not the same as South Africa. The former is a historic predecessor state to the later. Therefore it is inaccurate to move Governor General of the Union of South Africa to Governor General of South Africa. The position ceased to exist with the cessation of the old state. Whether the later title redirect there or not is irrelevant. –Ammarpad (talk) 11:26, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

Why don't you just contribute to the current discussion? It is far more constructive than trying to circumvent the current move request. I would also suggest you read WP:FAITACCOMPLI more carefully. Per the page, It is not one of Wikipedia's policies or guidelines, but you should take note that "Editors who are collectively or individually making large numbers of similar edits, and are apprised that those edits are controversial or disputed, are expected to attempt to resolve the dispute through discussion". As far as we know, you're just trying to get it back to the original name, you haven't actually discussed it in the current move request, which is far more productive. --Tærkast (Discuss) 17:56, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

Juicifix for speedy deletion

Hi Ammarpad, could you please help me with why should the page be deleted. I am very new to Wikipedia and would be happy to hear from somebody experienced on how to keep my page from getting deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AvrioRebello (talk • contribs) 10:51, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi, AvrioRebello, you're welcome to Wikipedia. I left message on your talk page (Click here to see it). That welcome message contain many links that you can navigate and learn what is allowed and not allowed here and overarching purpose of Wikipedia. Your page appears to be about non notable company (read notability) and the article is only meant to promote the company (read promotion). If you believe the company is notable and merit an article you can write one again in Draft:Juicifix and develop it there with references. You should also read these tips on writing acceptable article. Thanks. –Ammarpad (talk) 11:00, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the message

I have requested a change in username. Good day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by The IIJ (talk • contribs) 11:11, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

Thank you too. Happy editing. –Ammarpad (talk) 11:22, 26 March 2018 (UTC)