User talk:Athaenara/Archive 6

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Conflict of interest discussions in 2008

Ultra Sonic Edukators

→ In re: deletion of Ultra Sonic Edukators article.

I noticed today that you recently deleted the entry for the band Ultra Sonic Edukators. You didn't leave a reason with the deletion log, so I wanted to ask if you could please give a reason.

The entry has been there for nearly a year now and ironically the band has recently been signed to a label and will soon be in the studio recording in Los Angeles with some well known names in the music industry. They have been recognized by Rolling Stone magazine as one of the top 25 bands on MySpace and are regularly playing at well known Chicago venues.

Sean Nolan 70.131.221.139 (talk) 05:03, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

The claim that no reason was given is false. From the deletion log itself:

“Expired prod. Concern was: does not meet WP:MUSIC. Created by Special:Contributions/Japod.”

The article has been deleted at least three times. — Athaenara ✉ 05:15, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Postscript 1: According to this you are a parent of one of the band members, so the conflict of interest guideline applies as well as the notability (music) guideline. — Athaenara ✉ 05:27, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Postscript 2: User Gpersha (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) re-created the article in February 2008. — Athaenara ✉ 07:20, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Anna Cabrini Chronicles

→ In re: deletion of The Anna Cabrini Chronicles article. See also: Special:WhatLinksHere/The Anna Cabrini Chronicles.

For some reason my Wikipedia page on my favorite film, "The Anna Cabrini Chronicles," an award-winning avant-garde and experimental film, was deleted. I'm not sure why. The reasons state that it was "advertising," but I don't see how. I included everything I could possibly find about this film, all of its IMDB information, etc. So why is it not allowed to have a Wikipedia page? I see a lot of film Wikipedia pages, why is mine different? How can I have it re-instated? Thank you. -Bionicplatypus. 11 Jan 2008. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bionicplatypus (talk • contribs) 01:31, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

The only sources were the film's proprietary website, the IMDb, MySpace, and YouTube, none of which meet the Wikipedia policies which are explained in the Wikipedia:Reliable sources guideline. You may post your concerns on Wikipedia:Deletion review if you like. — Athaenara ✉ 01:50, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Speaking Dictionary

→ In re: deletion of Speaking Dictionary article. See also: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Speaking Dictionary.

I have been helping Susan Webb with the Speaking Dictionary article, which has now been deleted under 'blatant adverting'. Having been accused of being trigger happy with CSDs myself, I can quite safely say it breached absolutely no guidelines - but if there was sufficient reason for a CSD in your opinion, then I will quite happily rewrite it from Google's cache and make sure it is within guidelines before resubmission. Sound fair? Asenine ^{(talk)(contribs)} 17:53, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

User Susan E Webb is being paid by a client (who has certain specifications as for example noted here) to write Wikipedia articles which promote a company and its products.

The Wikipedia policies and guidelines which apply to this situation include:

• the What Wikipedia is not policy, specifically WP:NOT#ADVERTISING
• the Notability guideline: "A topic is presumed to be notable if it has received significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject." [emphasis added]
• the Neutral point of view policy
• the Spam guideline
• the Deletion policy

The only sources in your sandbox version of the article are the on company's website, which was the case in the deleted article. — Athaenara ✉ 19:55, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Just a note to say I added some press cites I found to the Speaking Dictionary article and a note on the debate page--the more I look into this thing the more I think it merits inclusion. I can see that the original source of the article is a problem, but hey that's what other editors are for right? Regards--Wageless (talk) 04:46, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

That's good news, thanks for telling me. — Athaenara ✉ 04:55, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Postscript: I spent more than an hour in the past week and nearly another today digging for sources which fulfill Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Primary criterion. I found nothing which did not simply relay press releases. — Athaenara ✉ 08:41, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Hello, and thank you for setting up the discussion page for my Speaking Dictionary article. Do you know roughly how long such discussion pages stay active, and whether the links to them remain active after a discussion is closed? Thank you and best regards, Susan E Webb (talk) 20:38, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Usually about a week, as explained in Articles for deletion. Links remain active in archived discussions, although there are sometimes exceptions for linkspam and the right to vanish. Additional information is in Articles for deletion/Common outcomes. — Athaenara ✉ 23:13, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Speedel

→ In re: deletion of Speedel article.

Dear Athaenara,

I would like to know why you deleted the page on Speedel. As previously discussed in the talk page of the article, all the material was from a reliable source. I would like the chance to edit the article instead of it being completely deleted. 62.189.228.102 (talk) 12:11, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

As stated in the deletion log it was deleted per WP:CSD#G11, which is a shortcut link to the following explanation in the Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#General criteria section:

"11. Blatant advertising. Pages which exclusively promote some entity and which would need to be fundamentally rewritten to become encyclopedic."

See also Why was my page deleted? Several links listed in the section above this one may be of interest to you, as well as Deletion review. — Athaenara ✉ 19:36, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Could you help with a complex situation?

→ See also: Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard/Archive 22‎#Enterprise architecture.

After my last entry on WP:THIRD, I don't think something this complicated should go there. I'd like suggestions on where to take problems like this. If you want to get involved at resolving it, feel free:

• Lockezachman (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spam/2008 Archive Feb 1#Help with Zachman Framework-related links?
• Wikipedia:Editor assistance/Requests#Help with Zachman Framework-related articles

I'm very concerned about his Feb 17 edits, which in any other situation I'd give a vandalism warning.

Maybe ANI would be best for something so complicated? --Ronz (talk) 02:25, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm looking into this and will get back to you on it here. — Athaenara ✉ 02:50, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Now we have edit-warring by Lockezachman, and a new editor, Len Morrow. --Ronz (talk) 04:02, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

A few points:

1. The Conflict of interest/Noticeboard is truly an excellent venue. Most (not all) issues receive attention fairly promptly, are addressed effectively, and often resolved within a week or two.
2. It's best not to try to be NPOV-in-residence, so to speak, trying to resolve issues single-handedly. That's too stressful for any individual. The community processes are designed to relieve that. If you detect a mild suggestion in this that it would benefit you to back off from some of the issues in which you've been involved, that's because it's there :-)
3. I left a message on Lockezachman's talk page about his sequence of edits yesterday.
       (Followup message after similar edits today.) — Athaenara ✉ 05:01, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm still looking into these, more later. — Athaenara ✉ 04:25, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes, thanks. I forgot about the conflict of interest. --Ronz (talk) 04:44, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Internet searches suggest Lockezachman is Stan Locke, managing director of Zachman Framework Associates. If so, COI definitely applies. — Athaenara ✉ 05:25, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

According to this post on your talk page, Locke is also Metaframe. You knew this? — Athaenara ✉ 05:55, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Good catch. No, I didn't notice. --Ronz (talk) 16:11, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

I posted Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard#Enterprise architecture. See what you can add to it to pull together the issues as you began to do here, OK? — Athaenara ✉ 06:35, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! --Ronz (talk) 16:11, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Marty Munsch

→ In re: Marty Munsch (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) and Talk:Marty Munsch (edit | article | history | links | watch | logs).

I'm having a go at MM right now. He kept adding US Chaos to the Ritz article, and himself to The Clash & Joe Strummer. It's evident he wrote his entire article himself. He should at least have the grace to accept the tags, eh? If you'd keep an eye on it and revert him next time he removes them, we'll get him on WP:3RR. Wwwhatsup (talk) 10:16, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

The edit history is a bit more complicated than that but, yes, self-promotion and vandalism (to both the article and its talk page) have been a problem. — Athaenara ✉ 14:05, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

I saw you did revert. Thanks. Most edits seem to come from the same NJ ISP pool. Wwwhatsup (talk) 17:33, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Killian documents

→ See also: Wikipedia:Village pump (assistance)/Archive 7#What to do about user circumventing WP:DR.

I've never tried to figure out WP:3O; it seemed very complicated, and it had many rules. However this capability is surprising and impressive. I note that WQA is in trouble, perhaps because they seldom tell people to go away. It seems that you guys, who have some similarity to WQA in your motivation, have mastered the ability to send away disputes you don't want to entertain. EdJohnston (talk) 05:09, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

As eloquent as EdJohnston is, I have no intention of letting this go with a snide quip. I have asked for advice in the Village Pump and have every intention of following this up with an entry in AN/I if needs be. This was way out of bounds and I will find the appropriate response. Please try and refrain from further co-opting WP policy until I can get this answered. Padillah (talk) 16:47, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Dispute resolution involves several projects. Third opinion is only one of them, and the smallest. It was designed to address only disputes described in neutral terms between two editors who are engaging with civility. — Athaenara ✉ 16:57, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Addendum: I posted diffs on WT:3O*. — Athaenara ✉ 17:03, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Well, if you are going to be helpful and rational about this then we'll never get anywhere! Thanks for taking this so well, I hope I wasn't harsh, if I was please let me know so I can correct my presentation (see above sarcasm). Padillah (talk) 20:14, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

You are welcome :-) — Athaenara ✉ 20:20, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Ed sent this message:

Sorry for my tactless remark about WP:3O which may have caused some trouble. I see some of the advantages of sending email rather than posting on User talk pages; it causes fewer ripples!

It was an anomaly, feel free to be tactless here (I didn't think you were). — Athaenara ✉ 01:20-14:40, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

• (* Now at Wikipedia talk:Third opinion/Archive 2#Athaenara's removal of WP:3O Request. – Athaenara ✉ 01:06, 24 July 2017 (UTC))

Killian pile

→ In re: Talk:Killian documents (edit | article | history | links | watch | logs).

Don't archive any Killian stuff for a while. Looks like someone finally wants to get more attention rather than cause a miracle himself, and people will need to see what is there. -- SEWilco (talk) 01:37, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

No problem, and thanks for the heads-up. — Athaenara ✉ 01:44, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Aftermath

Callmebc (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) again indefinitely blocked.

See also: Talk:Killian documents‎#Callmebc*. — Athaenara ✉ 12:35, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

• (* Now Talk:Killian documents controversy/Archive 11#Callmebc. – Athaenara ✉ 01:06, 24 July 2017 (UTC))

Advice please?

→ In re: 3rd opinion on Talk:Shaftesbury (edit | article | history | links | watch | logs).
→ See also: Wikipedia talk:External links/Archive 20#Link to Shaftesbury website.

Hi Athanenara

Thanks for third party advice on Shaftesbury. As a fellow Mensan (although you have lapsed) I will of course accept and adhere. :-)

Please however teach me about Wikipedia. I am VERY new to this and just trying to provide visitors to Wikipedia with the most up-to-date town link. (compare the events diary with the blank one on the other site linked in the article) Can you please tell me how I get 'others' to look at the Town's website and agree to its inclusion if it is constantly removed from view in the external links page. I thought (I now accept wrongly) that the link could be inserted by a single-purpose account and only removed if Editors deemed it unfit. So, I inserted the link after dialogue with a couple of Editors on 'en-help' and put the explanation they recommended in the discussion page.

I really would be very grateful if you would guide me through the process of getting the link to the official town website reviewed by editors for inclusion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sgts (talk • contribs) 20:48, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:External links may be helpful to you in this regard. If you post there, provide a link there for the Talk:Shaftesbury/Archive 1#Town Website www.shaftesburydorset.com discussion to save time for other editors who will be looking for the earlier discussions. — Athaenara ✉ 21:30, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for that. Say 'Hi' to SFO for me, I used to live in Sacramento and still miss the Golden State. Take Care :-) Sgts (talk) 21:34, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

You are welcome. — Athaenara ✉ 21:38, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

• User Sgts (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• 86.130.11.251 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sgts, have you also been editing anonymously? The 86.130.11.251 IP has now been blocked for edits which were the same as yours. — Athaenara ✉ 03:20, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Shaftesbury

→ In re: Shaftesbury#External links and user Curuxz (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log).

Thank you for taking the time to look into the shaftesbury page, I am glad you have seen that shaftesburytown should keep its place on the page. While I agree that there is reason for shaftesburydorset to be listed I can not help but feel that by allowing it there (at the moment) it is vindication of those who have put it on there and their complete disregard for wikipedian rules. Personally I would have preferred them having to wait a month or two and then reapply esp considering the 3RR breach. I would ask if since the consensus among others was not to have it on the page if you would consider a compromise in leaving it there but only for the time being. You seem of high enough caliber to make an independent judgment, would you consider having both there and then in say...3 months time reviewing the situation and assessing if one site is the definitive link or not then cleaning the page based on which has more value to wikipedia. I know all the pro's of shaftesburydorset are things that shaftesburytown either is implementing shortly or already has but does not chose to use. Further more the biggest weakness of shaftesburytown is its lack of events which was taken offline after the massive amounts of spam (highly offensive spam) that clearly originated from sources loyal to other web sites about shaftesbury and as a result is due to reopen soon with a very powerful ip defense software.

It seems that to give both sites a chance to improve, ie shaftesburytown to implement more features (like translation) and shaftesburydorset the chance to renounce their unjustified official claim and de-commercialise would be a fair move. Regards --Curuxz (talk) 18:13, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

I have also noticed the completely unjustified personal attack on me on their talk page, I have made no secret of my identity and any conflicts of interest and am disgusted that a public organisation would act in such a childish way when they do not get their own way. --Curuxz (talk) 18:14, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Your 19:45, 11 May 2007 (UTC) post to the article talk page said, "After taking a look at this website I can clearly see it deserves linking" - was that before or after you disclosed your conflict of interest? — Athaenara ✉ 22:33, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Human trafficking in Angeles City

An article that you have been involved in editing, Human trafficking in Angeles City has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Human trafficking in Angeles City. Thank you.Susanbryce (talk) 20:16, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

On the contrary, I have never edited the article. I did have some input on the article's talk page in response to requests for assistance during edit warring and conflict of interest allegations. Thank you for notifying me of the AfD discussion. — Athaenara ✉ 20:22, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Postscript: I have since edited the article once: two days ago I restored full {{cite web}} format, which had been removed by another editor, for one citation. — Athaenara ✉ 00:50, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Addendum: Afd closed with consensus to delete. — Athaenara ✉ 09:23, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia Policy

Hello Athaenara, may you kindly tell me, does wikipedia have a policy on stalking? If there is not one, how would I go about putting such a policy forward? Also, is there a support group to help victims? How can victims get in contact with each other? thankyou kindly for your help on this Susanbryce (talk) 01:12, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Maybe Wikipedia:Harassment is what you're looking for? — Athaenara ✉ 05:01, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Oxford Round Table

→ In re: Talk:Oxford Round Table (edit | article | history | links | watch | logs).
→ See also: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Oxford Round Table and AfD re-nomination.

Thanks for taking an interest in our talk page. We are under strict orders to only edit the article by consensus, and that is requiring us to have the substantive discussions you tagged--so we may not really need that tag. Could you weigh in on the RfC on that talk page? Thanks. Academic38 (talk) 08:26, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

I read the discussions on the over-160-kb talk page and saw that the earliest were inactive and could be archived, so I began doing that—it's just one of the things I do.

(The whole thing reminds me of a quote which has been attributed to Henry Kissinger: university politics are vicious precisely because the stakes are so small ... )

I don't know what tag you meant. I haven't tagged any discussions there, and I haven't participated in the AfDs or the RfC. — Athaenara ✉ 09:46, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Would you be willing to participate in the RfC? We need some external editors to move things forward. Thanks again. Academic38 (talk) 18:56, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

I still don't know what tags you were talking about... — Athaenara ✉ 09:18, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm new here, so I apologize if I don't have all the terminology correct. You placed the talkheader template on the ORT talk page, I believe (at 07:08 11 March 2008). The version you put there contains the line, "This is not a forum for general discussion about the article's subject." That is the line I was remarking about in my first note here. We are having general discussion about the article's subject in an attempt to reach consensus, which is very difficult because there are two sharply contrasting viewpoints. So far we have managed to keep it on the talk page and not edit war on the article page. However, no one has replied to Nomoskedasticity's RfC, and if you could do so, we would be very appreciative. I hope this is a little clearer. Cheers. Academic38 (talk) 04:05, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you, now I understand what you meant.

{{Talkheader}} is a standard template which is often added to the talk pages of articles which have suffered from disputes and edit warring. — Athaenara ✉ 04:10, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

As requested, I commented. I frankly don't understand why the proposed sentence would be controversial, and that's exactly what I said :-) — Athaenara ✉ 07:40, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

COI Noticeboard re Oxford Round Table

→ In re: Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard/Archive 25#Oxford Round Table and Special:Contributions/PigeonPiece.

Could you take a look at this? PigeonPiece clearly has a COI (as in undoubtedly works for the Oxford Round Table), as far as I can tell, but has never been given a COI warning. By contrast, Nomoskedasticity and I were both given COI warnings simply for having posted to the Chronicle of Higher Education thread on this subject. It would not be appropriate for Nomoskedasticity or I to give her/him a COI warning, so I wondered if you could look at the evidence as presented by Nomoskedasticity and see if you think a warning is warranted. Thanks. Academic38 (talk) 08:25, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

I posted the {{Uw-coi}} user warning template (which begins, "If you have a close connection ... " ) on User talk:PigeonPiece#Conflict of interest. — Athaenara ✉ 19:50, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. Academic38 (talk) 22:24, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

You are welcome :-) — Athaenara ✉ 22:46, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Real Life Ministries, thanks

→ See also: Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard/Archive 23#Real Life Ministries.

Thank for for stepping in to this ticking time bomb. If my talk page is any indiciation, the two core debaters are going to spill off here. I've suggested WP:3O if they can't sort it out. TRAVELLINGCARI ^{My story} _{Tell me yours} 14:25, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

You are welcome. As I posted on the noticeboard, I will not be involved in this. I removed Bg357's post after linking the diff there. — Athaenara ✉ 17:44, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Connexus

→ In re: deletion of Connexus Credit Union article.
→ See also: User talk:Trackwi#Connexus and Special:DeletedContributions/Connexus.

You deleted a page created and said it was blatant advertising. I put a short hist of a company and was going to add a time line form 1935. Could you please explain to me how this is blatant advertising? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Trackwi (talk • contribs) 13:49, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Hollywood Chicago dot com

→ In re: deletion of HollywoodChicago.com article. See also:

• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/HollywoodChicago.com
• user AdamFendelman
• user Happynesss
• user 68.72.135.94
• user 207.181.251.96
• user 216.177.119.154
• user Wilhelmina Will
• Wikipedia:Articles for creation/2007-04-27#Adam Fendelman
• Wikipedia:Articles for creation/2008-03-21#HollywoodChicago.com
• Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive294#Here, SSP, or CU?
• User talk:68.72.135.94#Notability and Verifiability
• User talk:Marcinjeske#HollywoodChicago.com article

Why did you delete the whole HollywoodChicago.com article with no explanation? I didn't see any concensus. In fact, I saw the article being improved per Wikipedia editors advice. Your action doesn't seem right. --68.72.135.94 (talk) 16:33, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

The page HollywoodChicago.com has been recreated as a redirect. At this point I cannot do much about it without just repeating my previous edits.. which would just lead to an edit war... editors at the IP addresses Special:Contributions/216.177.119.154 and Contributions/68.72.135.94 seem mainly intent on creating the HC.com article and adding links HC.com in other article's references and sources, mentioning "Chicago film critic Axxx Fxxxxxxxx" as much as possible along the way. --Marcinjeske (talk) 09:37, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

I considered undeleting it, complete with its tags

• {{db-reason}} Wikipedia:CSD#G4 [re-creation of deleted material] and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/HollywoodChicago.com
• {{dated prod}} not notable, no news coverage (excluding blog links and itself), references are not ABOUT hollywoodchicago, but rather point to content
• {{notability}} [(Web)] {{unencyclopedic}} {{sources}} {{advert}}

but user Wilhelmina Will had already re-created it as a redirect. It is disruptive (see policies WP:NOT#ADVERTISING, WP:NOT#WEBSPACE). — Athaenara ✉ 22:50, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

I deleted the inappropriate redirect. — Athaenara ✉ 23:00, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Marriott ExecuStay

→ in re: Marriott ExecuStay (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
→ see also: Blape1 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

This one's back again. Not sure it qualifies for speedy this time though. Your thoughts? Thanks. – ukexpat (talk) 14:46, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

It could be taken to Afd, and might be kept [or not]. — Athaenara ✉ 23:13, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

By the way, I borrowed the Status templates and created my own with the credit given to Misza13, as you did, noting that I found it on your talk page. — Athaenara ✉ 05:14, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Leedryburgh

→ In re: Talk:Signaling System 7 (edit | article | history | links | watch | logs) (n.b. archived External links and Putting Link Back discussions)
→ See also: Talk:SIGTRAN and Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Leedryburgh (edit | [[Talk:Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Leedryburgh|talk]] | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views).

Please see my recent comments. Yechiel (Shalom) 00:08, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Will do, thanks - it's on my watchlist anyway :-) — Athaenara ✉ 00:55, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Strange IP address editing

→ In re: Talk:Signalling System No. 7/Archive 1#Edit War July 2008 & Leedryburgh (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
→ See also: 41.232.181.152 • 41.232.182.119 • 41.232.182.44 • 80.108.90.135 • 89.210.129.43
→ Page histories: IP Multimedia Subsystem • Signaling System 7 • SIGTRAN

Please revisit Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Leedryburgh, Leedryburgh (talk · contribs) and Talk:Signaling System 7. Thank you. — Dgtsyb (talk) 10:13, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

FYI, several others have worked on this one in the last several days and I think things are just about calmed down between Leedryburgh and Dgtsyb at Talk:Signaling System 7. While Leedryburgh was wrong to push his links, there was a lot of other bad blood on both sides. There's a good chance that the link additions from the Egyptian IPs (41.232.xx.xx) were someone trying to Joe job his domains. See the comment I left at User talk:EdJohnston#Strange IP address editing. --A. B. ^{(talk • contribs)} 01:36, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

I agree - its highly unlikely that Lee was the 41.XXX addresses. The other addresses - at least one he's admitted is him quite openly - mainly edits when he simply hasnt logged in. No overt attempt to pretend to be different people. This whole sorry episode really wasnt one sided and everyone seems to be buddies now. Beardybloke (talk) 02:03, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

I agree with EdJohnston (diff): "User:Leedryburgh had the chance to dissociate himself from the IP's action but has not chosen to so far." — Athaenara ✉ 03:22, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

One more IP address for your collection that Leedryburgh mentioned that hasn't been heard from, 86.59.109.224, but might be useful for checkuser. You may delete this message at any time. — Dgtsyb (talk) 06:22, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I had checked that one out (contribs were empty at the time) after I saw that he had claimed it on his talk page. — Athaenara ✉ 06:30, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

At the risk of further inflaming the issue he did disassociate himself from them [here] and [here] and I'm sure in at least one other place. The non Egypt addresses I think he's freely admitted were him and indeed another admin said that was fine in terms of it being known and not being used for subterfuge (its common for people to forget to log in or not log in outside of a known location home/office/etc) Can I just clarify one thing - is Leedryburgh actually blocked? Because frankly if he is I am flabbergasted that Dgtysb has apparently escaped censure for his part in all this. Beardybloke (talk) 10:13, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

I think you can see why I brought up the IP address: Beardybloke appears strangely supportive of Leedryburgh. Maybe not a WP:SOCK, but maybe a WP:MEAT. Perhaps Lee wrote down the wrong address and that is why Beardybloke now wants to delete his account? — Dgtsyb (talk) 10:32, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

No the reason I want to leave is you - nothing more nothing less. I dont know of nor have I ever met leedryburgh until this whole fiasco. You're bullying just rubbed me up the wrong way. You have victimised Leedryburgh (constantly editwarring with him is I suppose fine enough - but then trying to get him blocked and banned is frankly beyond the pale) - and despite repeated requests by admins to step back you keep picking at it like some sore which never heals. Where I grew up we dont like bullies. I'm a simple telecoms techie who wanted to update and upgrade telecoms pages over time and when I had a spare hour or two here or there. But you spoiled it for me - I know based on your modus operandi that this will be hugely amusing to you as you appear to get off on pushing things just to the point of disruption but just under the wiki radar but I have to say it to get it off my chest. Even now as someone who tried to help/mediate but perhaps didnt support you outright you now switch to me - thats fine - you go for it, knock yourself out. In the real world we deal with issues by discussing them. Beardybloke (talk) 10:41, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Now that's strange too: because I thought that you said here that you thought you may have worked on the same project. Now you are positive that you never met him or knew of him?

I don't really mean to aggravate you. I hope that you will stay with WP and the Telecommunications project, and contribute to as many articles as you can. It is a whole lot more fun and rewarding if you stay out of fights on talk pages. ;) — Dgtsyb (talk) 11:00, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

I said we had worked on the same project but that I had no recall of his name. The project ran for many years before I joined the company and is still running many years after I have left. It also was run across 4 or 5 sites (I dont recall exactly, but Edinburgh, Palo Alto, Colorado Springs, Bangalore & Beijing spring to mind. In Edinburgh there were 2000 people on the site at one point, of which I knew a handful who worked in my area or I bumped into at the company gym. On the entire AcceSS7 there were 100-150 or so in development, and probably the same amount in marketing/sales and support (if not more - the memory dims). Across the other sites there were small specialised groups which I never interacted with much - so it would have been possible for my own brother to have worked on the product and I would have never known unless he mentioned it when I phoned him one time. Large scale complex projects like telephone exchanges or massively distributed and equally complex monitoring systems are like that. The AT&T/Lucent 5ESS switch for example was AIUI the largest non-defence civilian software project of the late 80s & early nineties, there were huundreds if not low-thousands of people on it - I could tell you less than 1% of the people who worked on it - but if they mention it on their bio pages then I know they worked on it too. Not all software & hardware projects are written by 6 blokes who live in each others pockets and code in their bedrooms. Looking at my linkedin profile it appears we dont have any common colleagues as he's listed as a 3rd degree connection (ie colleagues of his know colleagues of mine) I guess that doesnt exactly make us lifelong buddies.

Though I am trying to take the advice of a couple of other admins and I'm going to take a holiday from Wikie for a few days now Beardybloke (talk) 11:16, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Another account that only edits Talk:Signaling System 7:

• Bdinsac (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · blacklist hits · AbuseLog · what links to user page · count · COIBot · Spamcheck · user page logs · x-wiki · status · Edit filter search · Google · StopForumSpam)

— Dgtsyb (talk) 21:46, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Wrongly Put Blockable on my Talk Page

Hi - any chance of removing the "blockable" warning on my Talk Page please? There has been no sock puppetry as claimed (note the IP mentioned 40. whatever is nothing to do with me) and I never added any spam links as claimed. Another user Dsytb made such claims but then failed each time to provide true verification. Thanks Leedryburgh (talk) 23:01, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Ulteo

→ In re: deletion of Ulteo and Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2008 June 8#Ulteo.
→ See also: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ulteo (2nd nomination)   [RESULT on 17 June 2008 was delete].

It seems that you have deleted all the work I did to write a documented and Wikipedia-compliant article about Ulteo. If you think that Ulteo is not notorious, just look for it on Google and see the number of pages about it. If you think my post was a repost of the previous Ulteo page, you are wrong: it was written from scratch and took me hours to search for information and references.

So please get the Ulteo page, I think there is no reason to delete it.

Sorry if it's not the good place to discuss but I don't see any other way to get in touch.

Getupstandup1 (talk) 10:55, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

I recommend Deletion review. — Athaenara ✉ 11:20, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Ulteo deletion follow-up

As requested by yourself... Deletion review for Ulteo

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Ulteo. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article, speedy-deleted it, or were otherwise interested in the article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Getupstandup1 (talk) 23:02, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the note; I commented there (diff). — Athaenara ✉ 07:32, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

... and expanded on that (diff). — Athaenara ✉ 08:32, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Question/Discussion about Ulteo

→ In re: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ulteo (2nd nomination).
→ See also: Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2008 June 8 and Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2008 June 19.

Hi, let me ask you your point of view on the Ulteo topic, because as an admin, you seemed you had a balanced and "human" behaviour. But there are two guys, one is Sandstein, the other is Pmedema, and they now are really fighting against Ulteo. Sandstein, who wasn't active on the topic until that, has deleted again the Ulteo page while the discussion seemed to show that the consensus was to keep it, and when I read carrefully the Wikipedia policy, I think that Ulteo meets the notability criteria. Who is deciding about the concensus? Is Sanstein the so-called "consensus"?

Now the two guys (I think they known each others) are removing all Ulteo entries from web pages such as the web desktop page. And when I put it back, they accuse me to do some advertisment! I don't understand that: it seems to me that it's not because a project doesn't have a Wikipedia page that it couldn't be mentionned in a page where it makes sense, right? Furthermore, these some of these entries where here for a while, but now they consider they shouldn't be there anymore.

Don't you think there is a problem here? Where there cases of abuse from some Wikipedia admins in the past? What can I do to have them stop such a fight against a project? Sorry to ask that but could these guy not be independent? What can be done in this case? Thanks a lot for any feedback. Vautnavette (talk) 09:34, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

I moved your post here from User talk:Athaenara/Gallery.

I don't agree with the notion that anyone is ganging up on Ulteo. Further, it is standard procedure to unlink deleted articles from other articles to which they have been added, particularly when the articles have been deleted more than once.

See also: the Wikipedia:Consensus policy. — Athaenara ✉ 17:00, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

WebTrain

→ In re: deletion of WebTrain Communications and WebTrain articles.
→ See also: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/WebTrain. Result: Keep.

Hi, may I request you to review the last section on my talk page, perhaps comment on the notability examples and suggestions ? Thanks in advance Gary WebTrain (talk) 18:02, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

I don't think I have much to offer on this, but if it will help to copy the infobox code back to you (from one of the deleted versions) I can do that. — Athaenara ✉ 01:15, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Followup

→ In re: User talk:Xavexgoem#WebTrain.

I'm a little worried about this, too, and am at a loss. I may not have handled the situation as well as I'd hoped... There are only 2 citations that I've seen that establish some notability: 1 is from an association that redlinks, and 1 is from a 2002 tech mag article. If he can provide sources (that are not self published nor provided via his webpage), the article has a chance.

Since you comm'd me and him, he'll probably see this (I apologize for the 3rd person, in that event) - WP:NOTABILITY needs to be established from reliable secondary sources (tech mags, etc).

At any rate, moving to a sub-page seems like the best course of action (I'm not worried about intention; he did request EA, and he may simply not know about sub-pages). In the meantime (after being moved to a sub-page), I suggest he edit other articles: he does qualify as a subject-matter expert, methinks (although that introduces company username problems) If he has no interest in editing WP, that's OK so long as he can provide notability for WebTrain; if he can't, and he doesn't want to edit aside from his own article, then I implore him to seek greener pastures :-)

Sorry I have no easy answers thought up. I just don't know if this is an uphill battle or a downhill snowball, if you get me :-) Xavexgoem (talk) 20:47, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Aye, I do, and yours is a good metaphor. — Athaenara ✉ 21:21, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

How do you think the article can be fixed, if at all? Xavexgoem (talk) 21:18, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

I'll give it more thought, and perhaps post about all of these issues — articles, userspace, and username — on COI/N. — Athaenara ✉ 21:21, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

So far, I've posted on

• Wikipedia talk:User page#WebTrain company article in userspace
• Wikipedia talk:Username policy#WebTrain company name in username
• Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard#User Gary WebTrain

I earnestly hope exposure on wider venues will dis-involve me from all this — I am not at all suited for intensive shepherding of individual COI editors! — Athaenara ✉ 22:44, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

As per the Wikipedia talk and COI/N discussions linked above, I moved the userpage content to a sandbox subpage with a note to the user. — Athaenara ✉ 16:08, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

re WebTrain

Did you see the list of refereces (links) on User:Xavexgoem page ? I had problems posting them on my talk page. Also, I did not expect the WebTrain article to be published, I was just using my user page to be a content in progress page. A sub page is fine, no worries about that. Are secondary sub pages available too ? Gary WebTrain (talk) 23:22, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Subpages has the whole scoop on that. — Athaenara ✉ 00:23, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

[Forwarded list to Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/WebTrain#Additional references — A. 00:19, 19 June 2008 (UTC)]

Thanks. I changed my name as per Wikipedian suggestions, updated content is located User:GaryECampbell/Sandbox. I have taken the advice regarding Notability seriously and attempting to achieve it. Can you provide comments on the User:GaryECampbell/Sandbox content regarding NPOV and how it conforms to the WP:NOT#ADVERTISING policy? Note I also added an Impact section as per another Wikipedians advice. Thanks in advance. GaryECampbell (talk) 21:11, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

I think you're performing admirably, truly, but — please forgive me — I've done what I could to disengage from any further involvement in that particular article.

Best of luck in your endeavors! — Athaenara ✉ 21:20, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

The AfD resulted in a consensus to keep the article. Although no one specifically invoked The Heymann Standard, it was a similar situation. A. 05:44, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

• The AfD passed, thank you. I created a categorized list of a few hundred references on my talk page that can be drawn upon when editing the article. The article will contine to be improved. GaryECampbell (talk) 07:51, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Web conferencing COI and spam

→ In re: 206.80.0.98 and Diegotorquemada.

→ See also:

• Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spam#PictureTalk related spamming, vandalism and defacing
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Comparison of web conferencing software
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/PictureTalk (2nd nomination)

Message

• See 206.80.0.98 contributions, this turkey is spamming everywhere (almost every single article related to the web conferencing space).
• Extremely blatant, going to all vendors articles and adding themselves. Should be banned, their PictureTalk article should be deleted.
• I suspect User:Diegotorquemada is 206.80.0.98 (based upon timely edits)
• See my comments to User talk:EdJohnston#Spam - Comparison Matrix Gibberish
• See Talk:Web conferencing - my comments about the matrix.
• See my notable contributions on Web Conferencing (which were deleted) - see history diff.

- cheers - GaryECampbell (talk) 07:52, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Have you checked out Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spam? — Athaenara ✉ 08:17, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, from my initial perception, it looked complex, I'll try to have a go over. Thanks - GaryECampbell (talk) 15:54, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

It seems to me that what's needed is closer scrutiny by neutral editors with no involvement in the web conferencing industry. I can only base my thoughts on my prior experiences on Wikipedia, which include using the Conflict of interest/Noticeboard and the requests for comment processes. I'm sorry I'm not a better source of assistance—I'm not really suited as a coach of any kind! I'm more often apt to fumble and say well, maybe this, and maybe that, you see.

The PictureTalk article you mentioned is nothing more than a company link, which while not precisely blatant WP:CSD#G11 advertising is certainly using Wikipedia as a place to park its commercial self, which is in noncompliance in several ways with what Wikipedia is not. — Athaenara ✉ 20:20, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Reductio

→ See also: deletion of Reductio and Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2008 June 18#Reductio (closed).

Hello Athaenara, You recently deleted the article on Reductio (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio) because of "blatant copyright infringement". I own this content so I have released it under the GFDL. You can confirm this because I have added a reference to GFDL at the bottom of each page on the Reductio website ([reductiotest.org/]) "Copyright © Workingmouse Pty Ltd 2008 (GFDL)"

Please reinstate the article - I don't have the original contents, including markup, so I am hoping it can be restored from the deletion.

Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dibblego (talk • contribs) 05:24, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Your article was tagged as a "possible copyvio of [reductiotest.org]" by CorenSearchBot and flagged for speedy deletion per WP:CSD#G12 by Snigbrook.

I recommend Wikipedia:Deletion review. — Athaenara ✉ 05:50, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Athaenara, I'm unclear; the deletion log states that you deleted this entry (what am I missing?):

02:50, 17 June 2008 Athaenara (Talk | contribs) deleted "Reductio" ‎ 

Please advise me on how I can go about restoring the contents for this entry, since I am hoping not to have to go through and mark up the article again. Thanks for any tips you can provide. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.245.107.64 (talk • contribs) 09:19, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

More fully, the edit summary in the deletion log reads:

• " ... deleted "Reductio" ‎ (WP:CSD#G12: blatant copyright infringement. Created by Special:Contributions/Dibblego.) "

("WP:CSD#G12" is a shortcut link to one of the Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion.)

The article's history reads:

• 02:07, 17 June 2008 . . Snigbrook ... (4,247 bytes) (Requesting speedy deletion (CSD G12). ...
• 01:47, 17 June 2008 . . CorenSearchBot ... (4,204 bytes) (Tagging possible copyvio of [reductiotest.org])
• 01:46, 17 June 2008 . . Dibblego ... (4,156 bytes) (←Created page with '{{Infobox_Software | name = ℝ∊dμcti∅ | logo = | screenshot = [reductiotest.org/examples] | caption = | developer = Tony Morris | latest_release_version ...')

Forgive me if I've misinterpreted what you posted here, but you seem to be arguing that copying the text from another website was not a copyright violation. Please read Wikipedia:Deletion review#How do I do all this? and the other explanations, and then decide whether you want to add your request there according to the page instructions. — Athaenara ✉ 18:18, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi Athaenara, No, I am not arguing that copying the text from another website is not a copyright violation. I own the copyright to the text on the website and so I thought I'd submit some of it (the parts that are informative). However, after some reading around on Wikipedia, it seems that I am required to licence the text under the GFDL. This is fine and I have done exactly that - you'll notice the reference to GFDL at the bottom of every page of the website at hand. Now that this has been done, I'm wondering if I can have the article restored. Dibblego (talk) 02:29, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

I wonder, too! So I suggest you follow through on the deletion review project page, where the volunteers have the expertise in these matters. Good luck. — Athaenara ✉ 03:07, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

SolaceRED

→ In re: the deletion of "SolaceRED" [article creator Orenpro (talk page blanking) is apparently the band's sole member].
→ See also: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/SolaceRED.

i don't understand why you deleted this page, it was not advertising anymore than any other band page here on wiki. if you think that's the case with this page then you should take it upon yourself to delete every band page or better yet every page on wiki. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.25.201.64 (talk • contribs) 15:35, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

I undeleted it as per your objection but, as it is likely to be deleted again, have a look at Wikipedia:Why was my page deleted? and Wikipedia:Deletion review. — Athaenara ✉ 15:46, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Intelligent Entertainment

→ In re: deletion of "Intelligent Entertainment" article. See also: Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard#User Peterjabrahams.

F Y I . . . above-captioned page recreated. Link to IMBD doesn't work. Bongomatic (talk) 07:44, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

It was identical to the previously deleted version and double eligible for speedy deletion:

WP:CSD#G4: re-creation of page previously deleted per WP:CSD#G11: blatant advertising.
Created by Special:Contributions/Peterjabrahams.

Thank you for notifying me. — Athaenara ✉ 07:57, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

INTELLIGENT ENTERTAINMENT - page being deleted

Hi Athaenara,

We are produciton company in the entertainment industry and are begining the process of releasing information about our projects and our entity. I have posted the basics for the company (similar to most other production companies listed in Wikipedia). I am unclear why our page is being deleted.

We will be up on IMDb and other sites in the coming days, Hollywood Reporter, Variety, etc. What do I need to differnetly for us to keep our page active on Wikipedia?

Thnak you so much in adavance for your assistance.

Peterjabrahams (talk) 01:07, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Have you read Why was my page deleted? and Deletion review? You are invited to post your concerns on Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard#User Peterjabrahams* as well.

Thank you for your message. — Athaenara ✉ 01:14, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

• (* Now at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard/Archive 25#User Peterjabrahams. – Athaenara ✉ 01:06, 24 July 2017 (UTC))

ANAD

→ in re: a twice-deleted page (log) by COI SPAs Anorexi nervosa and associated disorders and Soroya1
→ see also: National Association of Anorexia Nervosa and Associated Disorders (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

You previously speedied ANAD as blatant advertising. I just found it reappeared again at Anad, I've de-advertised it and moved back to ANAD as I think the organisation is notable enough to have a page, is that OK to stay now do you think? -Hunting dog (talk) 08:22, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

It had been tagged as per WP:CSD#G11 by Blanchardb. As the {{Db-g11}} tags say, "does nothing but promote some entity..."

Good job on providing the needed "fundamental rewrite in order to become encyclopedic" after one of the two accounts linked above created the page yet again. — Athaenara ✉ 18:33, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Snowboard articles

→ In re: Deletion of two articles (Deuce Snowboards Dual Edge Snowboard) contributed by RenaisMan (talk · contribs).

Hello Athaenara,

Regarding the Deuce Snowboards deletion. Since I was not notified of a justification, I will attempt a guess. The WD:CORP guideline states that a company must have been in a secondary press source. Deuce Snowboards has been in the following:

1. http://cad.digitalmedianet.com/articles/viewarticle.jsp?id=67894 2. http://manufacturing.cadalyst.com/manufacturing/3D+Design+(MCAD)/Rad-Snowboard-Arrives-On-the-Slopes/ArticleStandard/Article/detail/384994 3. And an article that isn't available online, which was written by Seth Lightcap of the Sierra Sun newspaper. It was the "This Weeks Ride" article, published 2008 February. These point out that, while Deuce's snowboard is just entering the market, it is a historically significant snowboard design, and they are then historically significant, whether the company succeeds or fails.

In addition, I copied the Burton page and used it as the boilerplate on which to build the Deuce page. I changed the content to Deuce specific information, but the form and type of content was identical to the long existing, and still existing, Burton page. So it would seem that the Deuce page has been validated by the existence of the Burton page, or the Burton, K2, etc. pages must be removed as well.

Regarding Dual Edge Snowboard (DES). I don't know how to discover who did these deletions, so I am assuming it was you at this point. Please advise if it wasn't. I have no idea what the justification was for removing the DES page, so I can't even venture a guess and a reply. I can't defend what I created because I wasn't told what the charges are against it.

I look forward to your reply, (71.142.67.67 (talk) 18:50, 2 July 2008 (UTC))

I restored both as per your objections. — Athaenara ✉ 18:58, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi Athaenara, and thanks. Where does that put these pages? Do you still have some specific concerns that I can address? (71.142.67.67 (talk) 19:35, 2 July 2008 (UTC))

My deletions were based on (1) the original tagging of the DS article as per WP:CSD#G11: blatant advertising, and (2) the fact that on the face of it the DES article seemed to have been written to bolster the notability of DS. However—now having read both articles two or three times ;-) in the past 24 hours—I think they both have strong potential to be kept after they've been improved.

Wikipedia's very helpful guideposts include the neutral point of view policy and the conflict of interest guideline. I'm not really great at shepherding individual editors through all this—sorry!—because my own learning curve was more diffuse. — Athaenara ✉ 20:02, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi Athaenara. I'm glad I have a real and reasonable person to talk to. Here's what I propose in order to move forward. On my end, I will ask a few people I know, whom are good writers, to provide me their specific critiques. I expect that this will take until early next week to obtain and consolidate some useful feedback. On your end, and trying to minimize your time, please provide just a couple of the things that stuck out as the most glaring to you, and I can then attempt to rewrite, offer an different statement, a reference or what ever is appropriate.

Thanks (71.142.67.67 (talk) 20:16, 2 July 2008 (UTC))

You are welcome. Wikipedia:WikiProject Ski—"a project to better organize information in articles related to Skiing and Snowboarding"—looks like it might be what you need.

Good luck! — Athaenara ✉ 20:33, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh, that's useful. Thanks. And I just went to a blog of snowboarders that have a running discussion on the DES, and I emailed a few of them to consider Wiki-editing. (71.142.67.67 (talk) 21:24, 2 July 2008 (UTC))

The defenestrator

→ in re: The defenestrator (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
→ see also: Defcollective (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

An editor has asked for a deletion review of the defenestrator. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article, speedy-deleted it, or were otherwise interested in the article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. I don't have a personal objection to your action, my issue is with the conventional logic behind it. Regards, Skomorokh 21:20, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for notifying me. I followed through over there. — Athaenara ✉ 22:28, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Threshold magazine

→ In re: deleted "Threshold Magazine" article.

Athaenara - I have permission to use the text describing Threshold magazine. This is only the second page I have worked on in Wikipedia, so please let know if there is anything else I need to add to the page to address the copyright issue.

In addition, I just submitted an email (to permissions-en@wikimedia.org) granting me permission to use the text from the copyright holder.

Thank you.

Sambermoore (talk) 15:56, 14 July 2008 (UTC) Amber

Hang on, I'm looking into this. — Athaenara ✉ 20:50, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

I undeleted the article and tagged it {{Db-g11}} as blatant advertising. To help you as a new editor to understand this encyclopedia's policies and guidelines as they apply to your edits, I added {{spam-warn}} (note the warning not to remove the Db-g11 tag yourself) to your talk page.

As your message on the article's talk page (15:45, 14 July 2008 UTC) indicated that you are an employee of Tricom Associates, Inc, I posted a user conflict of interest {{uw-coi}} warning on your talk page.

The notice on User talk:Sambermoore#Copyright problems states specifically:

"If a note on the original website states that re-use is permitted under the GFDL or released into the public domain leave a note [on the article talk page] with a link to where we can find that note."

See also: Wikipedia:Why was my page deleted? — Athaenara ✉ 22:00, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Category:May Contain Nuts

→ in re: category created by HarryAlffa at 20:48, 3 August & 11:40, 4 August 2008 UTC (log)

Note:  a section called "Origin":

"Usage coined and defined by HarryAlffa between 6am and 9am, on the morning of Sunday, 3rd August, 2008, while drifting in and out of sleep, with a slight hang-over, and dehydrated due to the consumption of alcohol and an Indian balti meal eaten to close to bedtime. It was inspired by an “Edit War” two days earlier on the Solar System article lead."

not in second version (deleted by another administrator.) — Athaenara ✉ 22:17, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

You deleted this Category on 3rd August claiming it had been empty for at least 4 Days. This was not true. The Category had been created earlier that same day.

Please obey the rule you provided a link to:

"Unpopulated categories that have been unpopulated for at least four days. This does not apply to disambiguation categories, category redirects, categories under discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for Discussion (or other such discussions), or project categories that by their nature may become empty on occasion (e.g. Category:Wikipedians looking for help)."

Note that this is one of those "categories that by their nature may become empty on occasion".

You shouldn't delete something just because you don't like it.

The category had logical reasoning behind it's creation.

Provide logical reasons for it's removal.

Then wait at least four "empty" days. -HarryAlffa (talk) 11:06, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

User talk:Gdewilde

Before being full protected, indef blocked User:Gdewilde used his talkpage as platform to launch person attacks against me and another user, Guyonthesubway, quoting me out of context and/or misrepresenting the context, and refactoring my remarks. Since the page is full protected, I cannot respond or otherwise defend myself, so I'm wondering if you'd be willing to blank the section in question. Thanks for your consideration. Yilloslime (t) 00:56, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

The situation looks rather fraught; I suggest that you post your request on the Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard for attention from a larger pool of admins. — Athaenara ✉ 01:12, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, will do. Yilloslime (t) 01:35, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

(resolved) — Athaenara ✉ 04:26, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Selective Judaism

→ in re: Selective Judaism page and user Beitmidrash (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Thanks very much for deleting the page. BTW, the user/hoaxster had blanked the page after some discussion and several warnings, but the Speedy Deletion tag was placed by yours truly, HG | Talk 21:05, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Right (in re the tagging) but your calm explanations brought the user around to seeking deletion himself (or herself), so that's what I recorded in the deletion log. — Athaenara ✉ 21:10, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Philip Sutton conflict of interest

Thanks for the Conflict of interst warning. I was not aware of this issue when I first made my contributions. I did however try to contribute from a neutral point of view. I will encourage other people without a potential conflict of interest to make contributions to these topics in ways that are fully in accord with Wikipedia policies. Philip Sutton (talk) 05:33, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

You are welcome. — Athaenara ✉ 05:40, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi Athaenara, Thanks for your interest here. Problems with Climate Code Red seem to be sorted out, but not so with Philip Sutton and Greenleap Strategic Institute. You further input is welcome... Johnfos (talk) 00:08, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

This kind of issue is often discussed on the WP:COI/N. The usual format is like this:

• user: Philip Sutton (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• article: Philip Sutton (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• article: Greenleap Strategic Institute (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

followed by a description of the COI and autobio problem and the efforts, so far, to deal with it constructively. I recommend posting it there. — Athaenara ✉ 07:38, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

It may look complicated, but it's produced very easily by using the {{Userlinks}} and {{La}} templates. — Athaenara ✉ 06:22, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

JBP44

→ In re: Cleanaer (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views).

why did you delete my page on cleanaer. I asked once for you to delete it so it could be modified and now i have done it, you have deleted it. Firstly its not advertisement. Its providing people with information about a new type of technology.Very similiar to a HEPA (which you could also call Advertising) or Air Ioniser. Im dissapointed to see you have deleted without notice. I would appreciate it kindly if you can advise me on how to make it 'correct' for wikipedia as the information i provide is of significant interest if they are searching air purifier technologies.
Regards
James —Preceding unsigned comment added by JBP44 (talk • contribs) 09:16, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

I undeleted the article and listed it on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cleanaer. — Athaenara ✉ 19:33, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you kindly for understanding the information ive provided to wikipedia. Unfortnately since you undeleted Cleanaer another admin user has now deleted me. Im unsure what i have done wrong and i would be extremely grateful if you could give me some advice. I hope we can reinstate the page.

Regards

James —Preceding unsigned comment added by JBP44 (talk • contribs) 14:05, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

The primary issue with your topic (are you and user Alements associated with it in some way?) is verification of its notability. The Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) guideline and the Wikipedia:Verifiability policy provide more information about these.

I presume that you have by now read Wikipedia:Why was my page deleted? If you haven't yet read the Wikipedia:Deletion policy, please do so. — Athaenara ✉ 21:00, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Looks like block evasion

→ See also: Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Nukeh and Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Nukeh (2nd).

Is Mensa a part of Adolf's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dysgenics program? What's up with the Scopes image? It is in the main article. FYI, Bush could be charged with sedition. Read the 1st Amendment and what goes on WP carefully, and consider where Godwin and Wales arose. WP has no authority by law whatsoever. In fact, it has no authority whatsoever. Free Speech is a fundamental issue, and going out of your way to take down an image (still in the main article on Scopes) is a very serious act, unless you have an explanation. The Scopes possible copyvio rightfully belongs in Commons as a discussion issue. On .en, it seems like a toy to add a delete at a will. Why? Is it my prayer that bothers you or the evidence for structure in the genetic code? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.103.31.116 (talk) 07:38, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:User page#Images on user pages. — Athaenara ✉ 08:08, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Query from Elonka

→ In re: User talk:Elonka/Archive 25#Recall Proposal
→ and: Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2008 August 4 and Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Elonka (logs)
→ See also: Wikipedia talk:Removing administrator rights/Proposal‎#Strong Support-- and I'll tell you why!

Athaenara, hi, I wanted to follow up on something. I'm not doing this for everyone who had participated in the request on my page, but I have respect for your own opinion, so I was wondering if you could go into a bit more detail as to why you endorsed? Could you perhaps provide a diff or two of specific things I've done, which you disagree with? I'm hoping that there's just some miscommunication here, and I'd like to see if we could clear the air. Thanks, --Elonka 18:46, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

When I posted, I agreed with quite a few of the thirty endorsements which had been posted before that time (which was 04:33, 29 August 2008 UTC) and didn't want to reiterate them, but I can be more specific in the next quarter hour or so to make that more clear. — Athaenara ✉ 02:14, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

I agree with the original proposal and, more specifically, I agree as well with the endorsements (many of which linked pertinent diffs) which had been posted previously (see diff above of my post for what was there at the time) by the following editors:

→ (Timestamps [below] as on the page when I endorsed; diffs added now.) — A. ✉ 10:00, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

• Friday - 18:18, 6 August 2008 UTC and 02:30, 8 August 2008 UTC (diff)
• Bishonen - 18:33, 6 August 2008 UTC (diff)
• Ramdrake - 19:39, 6 August 2008 UTC (diff)
• RMHED - 20:54, 6 August 2008 UTC (diff)
• DreamGuy - 22:24, 6 August 2008 UTC (diff)
• Mathsci - 22:41, 6 August 2008 UTC (note "open to recall" and "behind the scenes" bits) (diff)
• Fyslee - 04:37, 7 August 2008 UTC (diff)
• Crohnie - 10:56, 7 August 2008 UTC (diff)
• Durova - 23:27, 7 August 2008 UTC (diff)
• Huldra - 09:15, 8 August 2008 UTC (diff)
• Giggy - 05:37, 10 August 2008 UTC (diff) (one of several which linked this post)
• HiDrNick - 00:12, 11 August 2008 UTC (diff)
• MBisanz - 00:17, 11 August 2008 UTC (diff)
• Cardamon - 16:55, 11 August 2008 UTC (diff)
• Steven Walling - 02:03, 18 August 2008 UTC (diff)
• Xenocidic - 18:57, 18 August 2008 UTC (diff)
• Kelly - 21:10, 23 August 2008 UTC (diff)
• Turlo Lomon - 19:23, 27 August 2008 UTC (diff)

→ (Timestamps [above] as on the page when I endorsed; diffs added now.) — A. ✉ 10:00, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

(An hour rather than quarter hour later, sorry.) — Athaenara ✉ 03:14, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, thanks for compiling the list. But, were you aware that a few of the people that you're agreeing with there, were making false charges, are under ArbCom sanctions, have been cautioned about working in concert, tag team style, and/or have been warned and even blocked for harassment and disruption? This doesn't go for all of the names, of course. However, let me ask you flat out: Did you simply endorse my recall, because you saw names there that you recognized? Or can you actually provide any diffs of concern? --Elonka 04:29, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

I did not endorse for the reasons which you suggest, and the presumption of my ignorance and/or bad faith implicit in your post is startling. Do you really believe that I would endorse a recall proceeding merely because I "saw names there" that I recognized?

I considered linking every diff which concerned me then, and concerns me now, but I considered it unnecessary because specific endorsements I support include such diffs.

I became aware of the deletion review because user HarryAlffa posted a message to me (diff) about my deletion of Category:May contain nuts (see also the page which he created later which was userfied as per Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:May contain nuts.) I looked for the category among recent deletion reviews and stumbled upon another: the RfC/Elonka which other admins had deleted out of process at your request (deletion logs: WP and WT). That reminded me that you had asked me to do the same last December, which I did, and that spurred me to follow some of the related discussions and even contribute to them in a small way.

If you don't understand that my endorsement has nothing to do with content controversies, and nothing to do with other editors and admins whom I have encountered on Wikipedia, please read this:

I disapprove of the highly controversial out-of-process actions you pursued in order to shut down your RfC. Keeping faith with those who supported your adminship proceedings on the basis of specific declarations you made (e.g. this and this) does not mean cherrypicking interpretations of your intent and their understanding of it. — Athaenara ✉ 07:25, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Okay, so you have no questions on specific administrative actions, your concerns were about other issues, such as that you disagree with my stance on RfC certification, is that correct? --Elonka 17:40, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

No, incorrect and disingenuous. — Athaenara ✉ 23:02, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Alright, thanks for the feedback, I'll give it some thought. --Elonka 00:31, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Public Relations Consultants Association

→ See also: deletion log for the User:Toyne page

Hi Athaenara,

You recently deleted a page I submitted on behalf of the the Public Relations Consultants Association and I would be interested to know why.

There are pages on Wikipedia for similar organisation such as the Chartered Institute of Public Relations [1]

Your help would be much appreciated.

Toyne

Toyne (talk) 12:40, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

I posted on your behalf on Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard#User Toyne and undeleted the page. I invite you to participate in discussion there. — Athaenara ✉ 20:06, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

• (Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard/Archive 27#User Toyne.) — Athaenara ✉ 01:22, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Gravityforce

→ See also: Gravityforce (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Why am I not allowed to cite a published article in the gravitation page. There was no violation of policy. Please tell me where to go to when I have a dispute. Way to censor information Gravityforce (talk) 20:08, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

You are invited (as before: diff) to participate in the active discussion of your edits at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard#User:Gravityforce. — Athaenara ✉ 23:00, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

• (Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard/Archive 27#User:Gravityforce.) — Athaenara ✉ 01:22, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Nebojsa Stanojevic

→ In re: deletion of article (deletion log) and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nebojsa Stanojevic

Get a real life....

Hi, My name is Nebojsa Stanojevic you did GREAT damage for my name..... I dont care, as I have life, but you should go out of your room to see that there is REAL PEOPLE there. my only problem is that wiki comes first on search engines, lot of people contact me for that... I am busy sailing around the world, participating in Google Lunar X=PRIZE, and build so many schools around the world... to name few.... my life is public, google me, but "thanks" for making it harder for me. And btw, I dont use polite language..... FUCK YOU, and every time think of the kids around the world I helped, and you??? what the f... you do.... Nebojsa Stanojevic Team Leader Human Synergy Project

VERY ANGRY ON YOU>>>>>>> just for you to know..... —Preceding unsigned comment added by NebojsaStanojevic (talk • contribs) 01:25, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

If you read the deletion log linked above, you will see that I deleted and then restored the article, which was subsequently deleted again by another administrator. Please see Wikipedia:Deletion review for how you may participate in that process if you wish. — Athaenara ✉ 02:00, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi again, take my deepest apology for above text. I have no idea how to see this, I just saw your name, and I reacted. Once again, deepest apology. Best regards Nebojsa Stanojevic NebojsaStanojevic (talk) 19:32, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

One more thing... If you don't mind... Can you help me do this "clearance" as I don't know how to use Wikipedia, and plus I am EXTREMELY busy with my Moon Project, and REALY dont have time to learn. But, it is very important to me to clear this thing out. Thank's in advance Nebojsa Stanojevic NebojsaStanojevic (talk) 19:37, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply—I do understand your concerns. My intention is to restore the article to list it on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion, a Wikipedia community process which will open it up for discussion by other editors, later this afternoon. — Athaenara ✉ 20:00, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

(Done.) — Athaenara ✉ 21:00, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank you VERY MUCH for all your help and again sorry for my "rage" comment , I hope you understand me... Person, who do all tis tjin is Senad Svraka, as you can see in my "new" wiki page, but... thanks for all a lot

Best regards from Guatemala Nebojsa Stanojevic Human Synergy Project thank you... NebojsaStanojevic (talk) 00:07, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Tyler Galloway

You left me a note about my conflict of interest in the article Tyler Galloway and I took care to fix it up to make sure no nepotism occurs Thank you for your time... tylerdotcom13 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tylerdotcom13 (talk • contribs) 05:47, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Joey's Sports Blog

→ In re: Jtsports92 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
→ See also: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joey's Sports Blog

It is absurd that if Colin Powell decided to edit a Wikipedia article pertaining to himself in order to make it more accurate that you would delete it because it was written by himself. You seem enjoy censoring people and the truth I know no other term but to call you a ravaging monarchist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jtsports92 (talk • contribs) 01:16, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

I opened a Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard#Jtsports92 and Joey's sports blog discussion and invite you to post your concerns there. — Athaenara ✉ 02:00, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

• (Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard/Archive 27#Jtsports92 and Joey's sports blog.)

Swiss tourism

→ In re: my message on Swordfish2008's talk page
→ See also: Swordfish2008 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Dear Athaenara

Thank you for your hint regarding my articles "Swiss Quality Hotels International" and "Quality Label for Swiss Tourism". Please be so kind and advice specifically what is to correct. The content of the articles are just facts, exactly the way they have to be for wikipedia. The text is written in an encyclopedic way and the references are mentioned. So what do I have to do, specifically, to avoid the impression of "Conflict of interest". Thank you --Swordfish2008 (talk) 15:36, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

As per {{uw-coi}}, an "impression" of COI is less important than editing in compliance with the neutral point of view policy. DGG's post on User talk:Swordfish2008#promotional will very likely answer any remaining questions you may have. — Athaenara ✉ 08:33, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Arbroath

→ In re: Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard/Archive 27#Coach3177 and Wikadm coi and edit warring
→ See also: Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Coach3177

I am concerned at your deletions and edits pertaining to the Lifeboat at Arbroath, both yours and others are not from Arbroath and have no idea what an integral part of Arbroath it is.
I have entered into the COI discussion with you but as yet no reply, I have no issues with the angling points you raised. But I would like to make you aware that I am not the same person you refer to as wikadm the most important thing I need you to know about the lifeboat is that it is a charity run as a non commercial enterprise by volunteers the website link is there the same as others, which is to link to the non commercial site to give more information about the voluntary rescue service and to allow those in the local community access to safety information. Coach3177 (talk) 23:54, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Deletion review for Hammes Co.

→ in re: Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2008 November 11#Hammes Co.
→ see also: Hammes (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) and Hammes Company (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Hammes Co.. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedy-deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmh153 (talk • contribs) 15:07, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Francis Light House

→ see also: Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/FrancisLightHouse

I noticed that you tagged FrancisLightHouse2 as a sockpuppet of FrancisLightHouse. I agree to it and had filed a checkuser request. I am now about to file a sockpuppetry case. If you can, please monitor their edits. Alexius08 (talk) 02:17, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Comprehensive and effective SSP report, good job. — Athaenara ✉ 20:00, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Thought I would start with you....

→ in re: Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard/Archive 28#Image:BILLmesitrell.jpg / User:Lumal
→ see also: User talk:Lumal#Images and articles for discussion and User talk:Lumal#Per COI block discussion

This may be a CSD issue on one level but it may go beyond that. I am not sure how to read into this. I found Image:BILLmesitrell.jpg and tagged the image {{di-no source}} as it is a collage of images. But the image is sort of like a wallpaper and has a website URL on it that takes you too Money Well Spent, which appears to be a marketing business. It is not a website about the subject of the image, but this is where it gets more interesting. The site is very hard to navigate but I stumbled upon this page which contains the statement "WORLDWIDE "BRAND NAME" PROMOTIONS". This same page also contains a link that says: "Our WIKIpedia edits contributions" which, when clicked, takes a person to Special:Contributions/Lumal, who is the uploader of the image. This seems to imply that working on Wikiepedia articles is a service they offer and leads me to believe that the image is a somewhat disguised advertisement. FYI the image is used in the Bill Meistrell article. And for the hell of it I dug a bit more and came across one of his clients - Bill Meistrell. TIf you take a look at this website you will find links to Body Glove, Bill Meistrell and a link that did go to an article on Dive N' Surf but now seems to be a part of the Redondo Beach article. A photo in this article shows Dive N' Surf and contains with a link to the Dive-n-Surf website, which is another client, and Image:DIVEnSURFlogo.jpg also has the moneywellspent.com watermark.

So...yeah. Is any of this CSD material? I know the user is not, but maybe you can help sort this out and advise on how to proceed. Soundvisions1 (talk) 06:24, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Wow, a lot of well organized information. The complexity is a bit over my head but I'd say this should be posted, and pronto, on the Conflict of interest/Noticeboard. — Athaenara ✉ 06:30, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Done. Thanks. Soundvisions1 (talk) 06:59, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

As I mentioned on COI/N, I think every image which has the website url embedded in it should be tagged {{db-g11}} for speedy deletion as blatant advertising. — Athaenara ✉ 11:22, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

I had thought that as well however if you exclude the actual COI notice and the block of the user you have an image watermarked with a URL. To be consistent, if these are all tagged g11 so should all the other images on Wikipedia that have URL's embedded into them. My personal opinion is that having a URL as part of any image (Except perhaps a graph which cites statistics found at, say, www.census.gov) should be tagged as g11. But here is my question, the same one I have asked at the CSD talk - if an editor rejects the nom and "fixes" the image, say cropping out the watermark, is that really fixing the core problem? Some of these images I would be more prone to ask what the source is and for the photographer/author to submit an OTRS ticket. I am ok for trying the g11 first on the watermarked images. On the non-watermarked images I would be more in favor of trying the {{di-no permission}} or {{di-no source}} tags first if the image(s) warrant it. And than see what is left over. Soundvisions1 (talk) 15:33, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

The moneywellspent.com and lumal.com urls are specifically blatant promotion of websites which are themselves blatantly promotional and not reliable sources, aside from whatever issues may exist involving other images with embedded urls.

You're way ahead of me on the further intricacies of image tagging, frankly, but what you say sounds sensible. Can you link the pertinent WP:IMD discussion logs on the blocked user's talk page and/or in the COI/N section? — Athaenara ✉ 22:44, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Image tagging done. Soundvisions1 (talk) 16:26, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Yowza! (I considered {{The Tireless Contributor Barnstar}} but it takes forever to load and it's hard on the eyes.) — Athaenara ✉ 21:31, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

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