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A cup of tea for you!

Thanks for your contribution to the article about the Korean sinking, which will probably be on the front page of WP shortly (nomination is here). You're absolutely right that "the ferry didn't hear the noise". Balaenoptera musculus (talk) 14:43, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

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DYK nomination for Otter fishing

Hi Bellemora,

may I request you to please take up the DYK assessment of Otter fishing when you next log on to Wikipedia. I have addressed your concerns and happy to address any other points that you may have. AshLin (talk) 13:49, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Titus Andronicus (character)

If you still have an interest in researching Titus Andronicus (character), I'd love to work with you.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:57, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Well, I have never created anything like a Shakespearean character. All the fictional characters I have created are from TV shows. I am not use to sourcing from scholarly journals. At some point I may dig in, but it is not likely soon. Thanks for the links. I left them at Talk:Titus_Andronicus_(character)#Sources.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:00, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

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Thanks

A belle rose and a belle girl for you

Thanks for trying to help. I have to point out for you that as a reviewer you are not supposed to edit it. It has been all kins of controversies on DYK, and I don't want to do anything wrong. Hafspajen (talk) 13:51, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

That's a bit of a mad rule, but I won't touch it any more unless somebody else comes along to do the review. Do you think I am disqualified from passing it now? I've done copyediting on previous nominations and the nominators have subsequently asked me to review the nomination. Perhaps I should ask at DYK talk? Belle (talk) 14:06, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

OK; copyediting is OK. Sorry I misunderstood it. It is about one not supposed to add large bits of content. I haven't made that much DYKs either. Some 8 of them and I am not that good at DYK rules. Yet. Thank for helping! Hafspajen (talk) 14:30, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

No worries. I asked at DYK talk anyway as the rules don't mention any restrictions at all. 8 DYKs are 8 more than me, honey. Belle (talk)

Go on with it baby, Hafspajen (talk) 15:02, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Butting in: Hi Bellemora! I noticed your query at DYK and, having spent the past few weeks up to my eyeballs in work and finally springing free today, I decided to peek at the article in question. I've attributed the "Legend" because imo it's written very close to the source - but, the book might be in the public domain, so … Anyway, just thought I'd drop in. When I review DYKs I tend to edit them, fwiw. Stupid rule, not adding improvements, but no one asked my opinion. Anyway, hope you are well and enjoying it here. I might actually get some work done over at the St Johns in the next couple of days and will give you a yell if/when I need help. Take care, Victoria (tk) 15:29, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi Victoria. The attribution is a good idea; although Hafspajen and SagaciousPhil and then I tried to rewrite it away from the source it is quite hard to reword folkloric stories without losing the essence of what they are. Always happy to help with the Memling although I will be on holiday in a couple of weeks time, so don't think I'm blanking you if I don't respond for a while. Belle (talk) 15:42, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Nah, don't worry. I'm trying to get away on vacation too in few weeks and the summer is stacking up so if I might not get Memling finished ever. Anyway, apologies for butting in. A bad habit I thought I'd cured myself of. Best, Victoria (tk) 15:48, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

I came to say thanks for a pleasure of a review for that rose dear to our hearts, high quality and spirited, great to meet you. There is no rule saying a reviewer should not edit the article. When I review, I fix little things all the time, and question others. There's a rule that if you proposed a different hook, you can't also approve that, which makes sense. Different means: with new facts for which others references need to be checked. If you simply improve the wording, you just ask if the nominator agrees. Looking forward to more, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:57, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi Gerda Arendt, pleased to meet you too and thanks for your thanks. I asked about the editing because it seemed strange but there are so many rules hidden away and I've already seen some quite abrasive characters enforcing them (though, of course, I'd expect them to show some leniency to a well-behaved neophyte and not make me have to unsheathe my claws/flick-knife). If you'd like me to review or copyedit anything please ask; I'm still too daunted by the citation templates to add much content myself. Belle (talk) 01:24, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for some good news! As English is not my first language, any help in copyediting is welcome, the list of articles I started or expanded this year is on my user page, DYK today will be the cathedral where the rose grows. Don't be afraid of citation templates, - you don't have to use them. If you look at the cathedral, you can watch an anonymous helper working miracles, who probably could do the same for you. Start something in user space, User:Bellemora/New, and we can look together! I also want to improve BWV 12 to Good article standard, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:08, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

I tried a little copyedit on your church cantata but I had two problems: 1) I'm a musical idiot (much to my chagrin, I'd give my right hand to be able to play piano...no, I don't think that's going to work out), 2)I stamped on you Sorry. I tried to fix it and I think I've managed. I might pluck up courage to start an article when I get back from holiday; keep a look out for my stumbling around so you can summon that citation fairy. Tschüß. Belle (talk) 09:41, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for the edits, some was helpful, some you couldn't know. "Musical idiot" sounds funny, and is no problem, just the opposite: it's a good test if it's comprehensible to a reader not familiar with topic. FA standard is BWV 172, you can compare: movement numbers are numeric in table and text, translations of titles only italic when also a title (most of Bach's cantatas are not), etc. - Where would I see you at work, when the red link turns blue? The citation fairy was an IP, can't be "summoned", as a true fairy. But I remember where I asked ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:32, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

sad to see the true fairy gone (blocked), fairies don't go for unblock ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:48, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

I realised I was probably flying in the face of standard practice with some of that, but I thought you could revert anything that wasn't useful as long as I didn't make the changes too extensive (just as you have done). I'll start my article where you suggested: User:Bellemora/New, but I have to think of something to write about first. Belle (talk) 10:40, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

I imagine you flying in my face ;) - no, you don't! - It might be a good idea to do only a bit at a time, not too many things in one edit, - then reverting is easier ;) - The topic of the English "titles" has been discussed at least three times, - how could you know? - I had put your New on my watchlist (you ca watch not-yet-articles the same as others). - Enjoy your vacation! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:57, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Flying to invent a prep-set-robot? - That would replace a serious task where a human is needed to evaluate, and if he makes a mistake or two, he can loose privileges, seriuz matter, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:18, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Barnstar!

		The Copyeditor's Barnstar
		To start your collection of barnstars, it gives me pleasure to award you the copyeditor's barnstar for your "meddling" on the the altarpiece. Stellar work and very much appreciated. Victoria (tk) 01:36, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! Belle (talk)

Umbrella foot

I didn't take you "too" seriously, but you did have a good point. The picture does liven up the MP. Yoninah (talk) 17:49, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

ITN credit

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Copy

Copy editors are hen's teeth on wiki and it usualy takes more than one to turn my brogue into passable prose. I would appreciate if you could give Head VI a look over. Ceoil (talk) 22:42, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

[Claps hands] Requested meddling! Of course I will, though I can't promise it will be quick: hectic social life, you know [checks bag for purse, lip gloss, booze, false papers, disguise and stun gun]. Belle (talk) 00:00, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

While I have your attention...I don't know if your artistic interests run to minor 19th-century French painters or jump straight from the Italian renaissance to the 20th-century avant garde, but if you have anything to add to Georges Clairin please do. I impetuously translated it but he's very thin and I haven't had a chance to dig anything up to put some flesh on his bones. Bisous Belle (talk) 00:31, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

I'm not finding a huge pile of sources, still looking, but thanks for introducing. Ceoil (talk) 09:57, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for looking. I suppose I'll have to check French sources. Also I see you are retiring later this month which means I've wasted my time being friendly. It will be all curtness and brevity from here on in. Belle (talk) 01:15, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

I'll be ceasing editing regularly. I wont be walking into a grave or anything, like. 01:44, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

In that case I may occasionally drop you a kind word. Belle (talk) 00:34, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Long as we are never foes. Ceoil (talk) 00:25, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

I've never had a foe (or a nemesis or a mortal enemy, though I've had a cunning adversary or two), so don't rule yourself out as I pay well. Belle (talk) 01:32, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Francis will be nominate for FAC later today, hint hint, my deadly, fabulous, foe. Ceoil (talk) 10:12, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

Ceoil is lovely. He is just hot-tempered sometimes. (Now he will bite my head of for this, of course...) Hafspajen (talk) 12:50, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Hafspajen; its the godddamn truth, I am kind of hotheaded;) Glad to see you back, I was worried the thing re the gallery on van Eyck had put you off. It lead directly to a major expansion of the page though, so thank you for that. 16:57, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Don't worry, Ceoil, it was a different issue - one long term friend I had and loved very much (who got blocked too while I was on Wikibreak for some years), just turned out to have a sock. An editor that gave eveybody a hard time. Kind of a dissapoitment... Wikipedia is a weird place. Hafspajen (talk) 19:42, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

You sort of need to have thick skin and a jaundice eye around here. I see your friends, or the people posting most often to your talk are good enough people. I've had a few I was fond of blocked indeff also. It sort of sucks. Ceoil (talk) 19:47, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes, it sucks. And it doesn't seems to make them any good. Hafspajen (talk) 23:11, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

That depends. Some infeffed editors are better that others. Ceoil (talk) 00:09, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Doesn't anybody like it here? Everybody I talk to seems to be leaving, thinking of leaving or regretting coming back. Luckily for me, my faddish nature will mean I lose interest before I have a chance to become jaded. Belle (talk) 00:10, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

I like it here. Very much; I have met some great people, like you. Its a matter of rolling with the puches. Ceoil (talk) 00:19, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Things

I admired what you said to Victoria tonight. This is a mess. It started when I thought Hafspajen‎‎ was about 10, but then he was talking about having been to art school, and I was thinking, fuck what have I gotten into here. I need to trust more my first instincts, this is off. Ceoil (talk) 00:39, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Everybody seems a bit cranky today (DYK seems to be melting down, so much so that I haven't bashed about the hooks in the queues today as I would normally do), but I do feel for Victoria: three days of migraine can't be nice. You, on the other hand... (just joking, let's not start any more fights, especially as we know who will win) Belle (talk) 00:50, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

I'll come over here to talk because I don't know whether or not I'm getting messages. No, three days of a migraine isn't fun and I'd wanted to spin through the van der Weyden this weekend. Lightly. I hadn't planned an entire rewrite. Anyway, hope you are well and keeping DYK on its toes. I can put back my message if you'd like? Or you can retrieve it. It's your talk, after all! Victoria (tk) 00:56, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

I just replied over at your page. It's good this Wikipedia talk page thing. [Giggles] Belle (talk) 01:07, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Blagoje Jovovic

Could you please take a look at the article and this page, because I've improved most of errors? Thanks in advance. Alex ^{discussion ★} 13:22, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Editing of comments

Hi, as a regular stalker of WP:ANI I came across an incident relating to DYK discussion. Having a look at the history, I noticed that you had, in good faith, edited the comment this diff to remove what was perceived as a personal attack and the subject of the ANI. As a friendly heads up, please note that per WP:TPO, we are not allowed to change another editor's comments as it will look, on the face of it, as if they are saying something that didn't. Most editors will not check the history and thus editing another editor's comment can be construed as a form of false misrepresentation. There's a rather long list of conditions under which a comment can be removed at WP:TPO. Best regards. Blackmane (talk) 10:24, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Just as I said in my edit summary :). I did let EEng know and I like to think we are on friendly terms and he wouldn't mind. I don't think it was doing any harm except to those that can't read the history and want to involve themselves, but whatever. Belle (talk) 10:37, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for trying to be helpful. User:EEng needs to deal with it personally. No-one else can fix it.

Amandajm (talk) 10:49, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

I'm sure EEng didn't mean to offend you, he's just sarcastic and flippant and doesn't make concessions for those who might not share his sense of humour, but I don't think he's the sort to insist his right to cause unintentional offence, so I didn't see any harm in redacting some of his less-helpful comments. I don't think it is a big deal; your comments came across as quite aggressive without the context (that bolded "No" looks imperious) and EEng responded in the flame-fanning way he does. Taking it to the admins instead of to EEng just complicated things IMHO. I hope he redacts his comments (as nobody else is allowed to) and the whole thing can be forgotten (I think his final hook is the best of the suggestions, but my input at that nomination as come to end with my ill-fated editing) Belle (talk) 11:14, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Belle, I appreciate your attempt to help, but as Blackmane explained it wasn't a good idea, though you didn't know that.

I won't be modifying my comments, which were chosen to help Amandajm understand how overwrought were her responses to my obviously well-meant suggestions for improvements to the hook -- you hit it just right above re the "imperious" bolded No. It was a calculated risk which didn't pay off, and unfortunately she chose to double down by escalating to hysteria bordering on a parody of offended sensibilities. EEng (talk) 14:42, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

I wish you would as I think they've served their purpose (but if wishes were dollar bills...I'd have slightly more money than I do now, allowing for banking charges and the exchange rate). Belle (talk) 14:51, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

In other circumstances I would apologize, because truly no offense was intended, but this person wants to be offended and I don't think that should be rewarded. EEng (talk) 16:02, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

I'll say no more (you can just imagine me as the good angel on your shoulder; open casting for the bad angel; should have own horns and fork) Belle (talk) 16:15, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

I welcome your angelic counsel. But wear sensible shoes, please -- high heels can be tough on the shoulder. 17:05, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

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Anti-redness base

Why is my signature red when most others seem to be blue or fancy? I don't see an option to change it in preferences. Does to change after a few days? Sorry if this isn't the place to ask this, but you could spend 20 years reading all the documents and still be none the wiser. Bellemora (talk) 08:14, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia. Your signature is red because it is a WP:Wikilink to your user page User:Bellemora. Wikilinks to non-existent pages show red (and are known as "redlinks"). It will turn blue if you put something there. That page is intended for you to say something about yourself and your Wikipedia activities, if you choose. See WP:User pages for advice about it. For how to make a fancy signature, if you want to, see WP:CUSTOMSIG. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 08:56, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

OK, thank you. Bellemora (talk) 09:36, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Christ, what a neophyte! EEng (talk) 15:54, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

OK, thank you. Belle (talk) 15:56, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Just to say....

Thank you, Super DYK Avenger, you are my hero! Swoon. [inexplicably shows bounteous legs and cleavage as she's whisked away] Belle (talk) 12:57, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Eek. I'm a girl too, haha, girls can be superheroes too, eh. So take this spare white horse and this sword and let's go and whack that old DYK backlog (surely there's something more exciting to do with a sword?) It's interesting to see how there are currently quite a lot of girls (or at least people with girly usernames) "manfully" working long hours doing workhorse reviewing for DYK, while a goodly proportion of hook-pullers-who-are-not-actually-doing-any-reviews are boys (or at least people with boyish userpages). Just being frivolous there. But more seriously, I'm guessing that the current hook-pulling could be a knock-on effect of the QPQ system. QPQ forces reviews from a lot of people who may not feel suited to reviewing or who do not feel they are ready for it. So some dodgy hooks get through and get pulled. Then some other people get panicky about the whole DYK queue and go through it, chucking out anything that is not to GA standard - and we grassroots reviewers have to pick up the pieces. I had been enjoying reviewing a great deal until this past week, but I'm now considering giving up (hence the flagging). After seeing what I've seen in some DYK templates, I'm now very reluctant to enter any more DYK noms myself, unless the hook-pulling excesses stop. --Storye book (talk) 13:32, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

(watching) girl #3 in the club, doing DYK only to show facts, reviewing as required to do so, - we talked about gender recently, found the women doing the work ;) - please keep doing it! (if you open "blushing" on my talk, there's a good image of standing strong)--Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:41, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Sorry Storye book, I'm so used the gender imbalance on here now that I didn't even think (I'll correct that to heroine but still do the swooning; it will work as a trick to draw the enemies closer). I think we should have a multi-reviewer system which would cut out some of the hook pulling; inexperienced QPQ reviewers could pick up the worse problems and then other reviewers could pick up the niggles. A lot of the time I have been just pointing out little problems without doing a full review, but I get the impression this puts other reviewers off, so I've pulled back from that a little. I'm not too bothered by the hook-pulling per se though: unless the article is actually on the main page I don't see that it does a lot of damage other than creating a little task for the puller. I think in DYK there's too much searching around for somebody to blame or to lay the responsibility on. Now...I suppose I'm supposed to leap on that spare horse and give our battle cry but you forgot to tell me what it was.

Gerda, I knew you were a girl because I didn't use to assume back when I met you. Belle (talk) 14:02, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

"Is it a bird? Is it a plane? Erm no it's a green tick ..." --Storye book (talk) 14:21, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

I think The Tick is a different kind of superhero (or maybe not). BTW, you were highly praised here (there is praise there amongst all the stone throwing and mud flinging) Belle (talk) 14:30, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

(ec) Did you know that DYK has its cycles, seems to happen mostly in summer, I remember 2011 (19 June kept on my talk, to look at in tough times). So far I survived them all, no hook pulled, only one reviewed hook pulled from prep but then repaired, no bad record I think. Pulling should be no dramah, stress on "should" ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:33, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Wha.....? EEng (talk) 14:42, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

A cocktail for Belle!

Are you going to tell me you are a girl too? Belle (talk) 14:56, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Well you know I am! But look at what I used to be here. Fun times at DYK! I'm in awe of all the work all you ladies are doing there, because I can't even figure out how to submit an article, if I ever bother to write one from scratch. Huge kudos to all of you! And, yes, Gerda is correct about the cycles. Victoria (tk) 15:10, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Plus ça change at DYK (that's sort of demoralizing in itself). Unfortunately, I don't think I've done anything at DYK today except muck about and get told off for trying to calm things down (in the WRONG way). Tomorrow, I'll do something useful (Tonight, cocktails). Belle (talk) 15:25, 27 June 2014 (UTC).

It is demoralizing. But it's been nice watching your work there. Needs to be done and you have the right touch, so to say. Here's a cocktail, enjoy! I'm house-cleaing… ugh! (with breaks). Victoria (tk) 15:34, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Nice cocktail of thoughts, thank you, all. If you have a new article worth showing, Victoria, ping me, - I love to nominate for others, it's more than a fifth of my total, and I am proud of it, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:47, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

That cocktail does look nice (looks strong too though), but it doesn't have a name because the photographer forgot it. What sort of photographers are we employing here? Also, you should get a cleaner and spend the day mixing yourself cocktails. Hic. (Hic is for comic effect; I haven't started yet)Belle (talk) 16:25, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Wha.....? I think I'm at the wrong address. Isn't this the biker's hangout? EEng (talk) 15:59, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Sure, why not? [Pretends to drape herself decoratively over EEng's shoulders while actually helping herself to his wallet and keys] So long, sucker! [roars off on EEng's moped. Put put put]. What the?...this wallet is full of video club loyalty cards [Tosses it]. Belle (talk) 16:11, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

as gently as you can, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:20, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

You lost me, Gerda. Did you want to take advantage of EEng's video club membership and get popcorn? Belle (talk) 16:31, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Longer story: I read your edit summary "born to be ...", that reminded me of the top notice of my friend saying "tell me as gently as you can", which is not on top of his talk anymore, so I had to go to a older version but don't like the ugly pink notice on top, therefore took my last message in the old version: popcorn! Enjoy, I will go to rehearsal, Magnificat, DYK, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:00, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Can anyone tell me what all that was about??? EEng (talk) 15:58, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

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See User:EEng#Computer_porn EEng (talk) 15:29, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

The two-timing robotic bastard! I though he only had \1 for me. Belle (talk) 15:42, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Um, I don't get it. EEng (talk) 15:56, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Don't worry, it was an attempt at computer humour. All the bots over at the secret bot base are laughing their circuit boards off. Belle (talk) 16:05, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Reminder

I have passed a proficiency test in using one of these. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:36, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Everyone is a guy, unless proven differently. Alex ^{discussion ★} 20:44, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

I've checked and I'm not. I hope this isn't a prelude to Doctors and Nurses. Belle (talk) 00:58, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Listen, if there's much more of this I'm reporting the whole bunch of you to the US Department of Homeland Security. EEng (talk) 01:15, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

I like girls so much, I moved in with one - she helps with the cooking, brilliant! Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:09, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Hmmmm, as you went with "helps with" I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Belle (talk) 11:34, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Belle, your humor is refreshing and I love your posts. I'm so glad you joined the stodgy bureaucracy over at DYK! (Yes, I'm a girl, too!) Yoninah (talk) 19:33, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, Yoninah. Hopefully I'm not adding more stodginess. I appreciate you helping make up the preps, I can't face that myself; too many steps; too much to go wrong; too much blame attached when it does; but without people doing it DYK is dead in the water. (The girls are coming close to outnumbering the boys on my talk page. We'll have to make up a secret password and I'll paint a sign: "Smelly boys keep out!") Belle (talk) 22:45, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

This is your only warning. You have cooties. Ewwwww. (It's just like being back at school.) Still, DYK is feeling a bit unloved at the moment and could do with a nice friendly dose of TLC from a caring soul. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 08:23, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Ritchie333, I'm sure I wouldn't have such horrible American disease. If I was infected with something it would be lurgi or drengelus, but seeing as smelly boys aren't allowed in our treehouse I can't see how I would have caught anything. I haven't been at DYK as I've been away, but I'm back now; prepare for TLC! (Tomato Lettuce and Cucumber sandwiches, right?) Belle (talk) 14:33, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

tender loving care, how can you pass it in abbr, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:04, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Frank Ringo

The childhood exposure (lol) doesn't appear in the least to have created a jargon deficit in your baseball IQ. My use of "caught on with" is not really baseball jargon, just an American colloquialism that really ought not be included in an encyclopedia article. I have removed it from the Ringo article and appreciate your diligence. Cbl62 (talk) 13:55, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Archiving

Take a look at User:MiszaBot/Archive HowTo for automated archiving. I personally archive my talk page manually by creating subpages off of my talk page. Shubinator (talk) 06:56, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, Shubinator, I'm giving that a go (so you might find yourself shuffled into an archive in the next few minutes if I've done it wrong). Belle (talk) 07:29, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Some apricots for you!

Some apricots for you!

I have just on to Wikipedia grumpy because my laptop charger has stopped working and I have had to resort to using my netbook, which has a whacking great crack across the right hand side of the screen, and then you come out with "the sh- bit could be shopping or shoes, both of which I find more uplifting than shit; T.I. probably just didn't want to mention shopping or shoes in front of the reporter which is why it is partially blanked" and cheer me right up. Thank you. Launchballer 18:56, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Glad it cheered you up, it was intended as "something to uplift Launchballer". Belle (talk) 01:27, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Good Humor
	Chuckles are good for your health..I should know as I am a doctor...keep on chucklin' Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 23:54, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

A bowl of strawberries for you!

And why not...? Hafspajen (talk) 11:33, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. They taste a bit digital though. Belle (talk) 23:17, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Copyedit request.

Hi Belle, I have heard a lot about your copediting hence I am requesting you to copedit Indian National Congress campaign for Indian general election, 2014. This article has been nominated for GA. Your comments on improving the article in any form are most welcome. Thanks.--Skr15081997 (talk) 15:10, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi Skr15081997, I'll be glad to copy-edit it (I noticed an inconsistency when I just glanced over it; left you a clue in the edit summary). (Can I ask where you heard about my copy-editing? I want to know whom I should kiss/beat up) Belle (talk) 23:25, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Your talk page and the awards are enough to prove that.--Skr15081997 (talk) 09:22, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Gift

Joy

Kafka Liz (talk) has given you William Morris! William Morris promotes Wikilove and hopefully he has made your day better. Share the WikiLove and civility with everyone and keep up the excellent editing!

My own William Morris; at last, I will have all the Arts and Crafts decoration that I want; I will feed him if he works well and even take him for a tour of the grounds (on a leash of course). Thank you. Belle (talk) 22:25, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Just remember to clean up after him - he is usually quite tidy, but accidents do sometimes happen. Kafka Liz (talk) 02:53, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Precious

role of Belle
Thank you, Belle, hungry bitch, for quality article contributions for ITN (Daniel Keyes), articles such as Georges Clairin, reviews and copyediting with spirit and charme, article rescue and "The role of Belle will be played by her understudy", - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:39, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Welcome, Belle! The beast --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:09, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Beast, or best ?????? EEng (talk) 17:05, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

The best beast ;) - see my (gem) talk --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:43, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

I'm not coming anywhere near your gems, gams, or anything else. You people scare me. EEng (talk) 21:23, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

You got a gem yourself. Don't mention Halloween. Grace Sherwood, the alleged Witch of Pungo, not appearing as TFA on Halloween nailed things (was the straw that broke the camel's back) for the writer of Yogo. She appeared on DYK that day, did you know? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:52, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Belle, for what it's worth, you get my vote. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:00, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

I'm confused. Are you voting for me as a beast, TRM? EEng, what is this about my legs (or Gerda's legs)? Am I a witch or a bitch? Or both? Belle (talk) 23:16, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

I am willing to play the witch part, bitch, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:33, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Gerda, have you noticed that you've called me a bitch twice and nobody has said anything? I wonder which of the meanings is getting tacit agreement:

• "It often refers to someone who is belligerent, unreasonable, malicious, rudely intrusive, and/or aggressive."
• "Its original use as a vulgarism, documented to the fourteenth century, suggested high sexual desire in a woman."
• "In a feminist context, it can indicate a strong or assertive woman, one who might make men feel threatened." Belle (talk) 23:47, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

I should probably have put it in quotation marks, as it is lifted from your user page, "Because I'm hungry and a bitch." --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:24, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

ps: perhaps I better clarify that I also play the part of the beast, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:41, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

You and I know that (the hungry bitch part not the beast part; you aren't at all beastly), but were all my defenders? (probably feeling intimidated by my belligerence, unreasonableness or sexual voraciousness) Belle (talk) 08:59, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Do you suggest that belle is short for belligerence? - If I was beastly I would probably not be willing/able to play the beast. I was proclaimed a member of the infobox warrior club, did you know? Don't you think that's worse than "beastly". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:13, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Do the infobox warriors fight for or against infoboxes? Please create an infobox with more details on their allegiances, notable battles and dates, motto and coat of arms. That would be funny if nothing else. Bell(igerenc)e (talk) 10:30, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

The term means both sides. You will not want to know what you asked for, nor do I ;) - I am for infoboxes but I don't fight, - I was proclaimed warrior anyway, - do you see why? That was a notable battle, edit war over a piece of sacred music on Easter, page protection and all. (I confess that now, a year later, I find it kind of amusing, for example the line "Couldn't you consider going back to your old former self?") --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:46, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

You've been admonished and restricted too! Wikipedia as a quasi-judicial system; how do I get to be a judge? (I'm not au fait with all the rules and regulations, I just want the robe and gavel) Belle (talk) 11:01, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

I don't need a judge (arbcom is no judge), - I would like to know if an unbiased visitor - like you - sees me fighting or at war in that discussion, - because I am biased and blind. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:24, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Not in that discussion, no; the second replacement of the infobox got you in trouble, but I don't see anything belligerent in your attitude in the discussion. If that's all there is to it I wouldn't have admonished you, I would have instructed the officers to strike off your chains, give you a hot meal and a bath, fix you up with a new suit of clothes and pop a shiny penny piece in your hand (as you can see my court is based in the 19th century) Belle (talk) 11:52, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

You are good at counting! What I saw was that I added an infobox, as I had done on other compositions, it was reverted, I got it back, then a battle happened that I observed, and the article was left with the infobox for quite a while. Weeks later someone claimed "Let's not try to recapitulate the whole article in an infobox; people who visit this page probably have the ability to read whole paragraphs.", and I disliked the attitude and the argument (which showed that they have no idea of what an infobox is) enough to revert. If that is an edit war I so far had wrong concepts of what constitutes one. "People who visit this page probably have the ability to read whole paragraphs", yes, but perhaps in a language other than English, perhaps looking only for one fact, - let's serve those also, that is my battle cry. It takes nothing away from an article. (Wrong, it damages an article, - that is the battle cry of the opposition.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:01, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for assistance per fiacre. Did you notice the hard life in battle? (He was admonished on the other side. We collaborate well. I tell you a secret: the war is a myth.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:58, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your support at ACE. You met the people who still believe in the war ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:57, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Garner

Good work. Much appreciated. Tone = thankful. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:57, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

The "Tone =" made me laugh. Belle (talk) 00:44, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

.

Sorry. It is unjust to let my frustration go out over you. Is just the lates events at WP:FPC that made me mad, it is not you. Sorry!!!!!!!!!!!! Hafspajen (talk) 13:59, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

OK, let's be friends again. (You should have just said that comment was a joke, as I would have believed you; I know it was frustration, but there has to be some truth in your feeling that way; besides which I have a lovely nose) Belle (talk) 14:46, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Sigh, I know - of course you have nice nose. I am an idiot, sorry. Hafspajen (talk) 15:01, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Fiacre (carriage)

The DYK project (nominate) 15:08, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Special Barnstar
	When I left a message on the DYK talk page, I didn't expect much to come of it for at least 12 hours, but thanks to your help the nomination wasn't held up by a CN tag. Best, Matty.007 07:01, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. (You did have to use those horrid citation templates though; I hate them!) Belle (talk) 08:26, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

A cup of tea for you!

For your work on DYK Hawkeye7 (talk) 08:24, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. (I can give it to the pet William Morris I received above) Belle (talk) 08:27, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

DYK for After the Bath, Woman drying herself

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:52, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Do a favor pls...

The sources for [1] don't say one of the few armed in history, rather one of the few American ones armed. This editor has a longstanding preoccupation with me [2], so can you doublecheck what I've just said and make the comment yourself? I'd rather not re-inflame him, but we can't let it go to MP that way either. You might want to eat this message after reading it. EEng (talk) 02:22, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

A cookie for you!

Thank you for completing the DYK review for the Buffy hummingbird. The hook was in the air for nearly a month, and I was worried that it would never get closed. Spirit of Eagle (talk) 13:49, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

No problem. I felt I had something in common with it as I also drink nectar from agave plants. Belle (talk) 15:33, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Jealous (Beyoncé song)

Can you tell me what will happen with the DYK nomination for Jealous (Beyoncé song) that i submitted as I am not very familiar with the process? Should I wait more? I Am... ***D.D. 16:14, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi, [whatever your name is...that's too much to decipher]. Short answer: yes. Nominations can take months to get reviewed (though that is the exception rather than the rule, a couple of weeks is nothing). I'll see if I can get to it later on (got to go and walk the bear right now; that's not some sort of euphemism, just the nickname of my dog) Belle (talk) 16:21, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Beaune Altarpiece

I just peeked in and noticed the copyedits there (a lot of them, yikes!). Thanks so much! I'll pull out the sources and get to your talk page comments a little later, after work. Just wanted to drop a note to let you know the copyedits are appreciated. Victoria (tk) 15:02, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi Victoria, I haven't much time today (one of my horses got a nail in her foot this morning); I'll try and finish up later. British English, right? (I keep changing it but I'm not sure) Belle (talk) 15:23, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Ouch, poor thing! I don't think there's a rush and the copyedits are very welcome. Yes, I think after the judgment/judgement discussion we decided British English. I'm about to dive into the sources to bring myself back up to speed. Victoria (tk) 19:30, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Re: Scrapping the 7 day rule

As I said on the DYK talk page, I really like where you are going with this and I believe it could lead to more participation. It might help if you create a proposal in your userspace and then invite seasoned DYK editors to give it a critical look. For a proposal like this to gain traction, you're going to have to consider the counterarguments and respond to them. IMO, no matter how good your proposal is, you're going to be up against the "no change is good" crowd. Good luck with this and please keep pushing forward. You've got some great ideas. Viriditas (talk) 00:11, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi Viriditas. I haven't the will to explain my point for the Xth time just to have it ignored in favour of the "new is good" mantra; these skewed ideas of what is new are too entrenched. Belle (talk) 10:59, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

I think that many of the people who are active in community processes are deeply resistant to change, and this is harming the future of the site. Look at the main page! This is web design circa 2004! Viriditas (talk) 01:21, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Belle, I'm one of the few who didn't attempt a bold vote on your proposal but it's clear that, as written, users don't like it. Whilst I often run away from editing for long periods when I've had enough, I suspect, as I have 100+ DYKs, you'd consider me part of the weltanschauung who run the show but I hope you can tell from my comments that I'm not against reform. I'd caution you against any suggestion that there is some kind of cabal that runs DYK but we all know there is (and that's true for any part of the project); however please don't assume their (our?) motives are disingenuous and driven towards preserving the staus quo (sorry wrong link) status quo. DYK is a very long running part of the main page, reform is bound to be slow and hard; frankly it should be in the case of a major part of the main page. Your comments/reviews etc always make me smile and we need more of you around here so illegitimi non carborundum. - Basement12 (T.C) 23:43, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi Basement12. I do appreciate it when people hold off on heating the "Oppose" brand in the fire I was actually hoping it would provoke some discussion about the imbalance of contributions. I don't begrudge any regulars their collection of DYKs, but I'd like to see DYK more as a place to encourage and help new editors (Thinking about it, I normally encourage first time DYKers by threatening them with violence or spouting nonsense, so I'm probably not the maternal figure I'd hope to see there). Next time (deep breath), I'll leave out any suggestions and just ask how we can sort out that unfairness. (I liked your edit summary btw) Belle (talk) 00:24, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Parliamentary War Memorial

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:56, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

My FAC hell

Van der Weyden had the grace to to only hint at his tormentors, but here you are going through sentence by sentence. My exasperated and confounded, bitter sweet, thanks. Ceoil (talk) 23:54, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Oh come on, it's not that bad; I've got a big dog that looks like one of those tormenting beasts though, be careful or I'll set him on you (he may slobber you to death but that's about it). Belle (talk) 01:09, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your comment at my Talk

... but this is a deadly serious matter, and you know how far off the rails ANI can go. So if you want to comment, I'd appreciate your reading [3], making up your own mind, and commenting there. A topic ban is a serious matter. EEng (talk) 18:13, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

And so I have. "Wikipedia" needs to chill out. Belle (talk) 18:33, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

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