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William Wilson (engineer)

Congrats on hunting this down and creating the article. It had been a redlink for quite a while, and I was redlinking another railway engineer, William E. Wilson, on the disambiguation page. Both required verification of notability, and I lacked the patience and failed to take the pains you did. Cheers, Bjenks (talk) 10:11, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Slovenian Alps

Thanks for the warning, I tried to answer on the deletion page.--F Ceragioli (talk) 17:16, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Art Museum of Estonia

Hi, I saw that you added a link to Franz Hoppenstätt under the see also section of the Art Museum of Estonia article. I appreciate the idea very much, but I'm not sure the see also section should be used to link to individual artists who are or have been displayed at the museum; in that case there are more illustrious artists to bring up there - but mainly I think that would simply devolve into a very long list. Hoppenstätt is already mentioned in the St. Nicholas' Church, Tallinn article, as well. Still, I appreciate the idea very much - perhaps a solution is to make a section with "artists displayed" under the relevant branch of the museum - do you have any objections to that? Cheers, Yakikaki (talk) 09:32, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Happy with that. If we can find a suitable way to link the article to Franz Hoppenstätt that would be good. --Bermicourt (talk) 19:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Precious again

coverage of German topics
Thank you for raising the awareness of German geography from coastal regions to the glacier of the highest mountain, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 03:26, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

A year ago, you were the 55th recipient of my PumpkinSky Prize, repeated in br'erly style. I miss the photographer and author of Laufen Hut, again, and put "Letting go of the past" on top of my talk. It's also a year ago, that his rescued article was lead DYK, - I translated it to German now and showed it on their Main page, quite successfully ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:51, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Bremen: it isn't even the official title of today's Land, + I wonder where the translation comes from. I would give Stadt as Town in the historic context. Perhaps a case like "Evangelische Kirche" which isn't an evangelical church, but the Germans who translated it to such (on their own website, tough to fight) obviously didn't know what an evangelical church is. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:01, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Haha - yes. I'm in Austria at the minute and amused by translations I see into English all the time. The hotel menu is hilarious - it's easier for us to understand in German! But then, I know some of my German sounds hilarious or rude, simply because I'm haven't got the expertise to get it spot on.--Bermicourt (talk) 13:07, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Cleveland Hills edit

Hi. Regarding this edit – Botton Head lies a distance away from Round Hill and is not an alternative name, despite the apparent close proximity on an OS map. I have uploaded this photo just FYI, which I took a couple of years back whilst walking there: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Botton_Head.jpg – the crag of rocks on the bank is Botton Head. About a third of the way in from the right on the horizon, you will see a tiny mound, this is the high point of Round Hill where there is a summit stone marking the highest point on the entire North Yorkshire Moors. Fair to say they are quite a distance apart. North Yorkshire Moors offers some nice places to walk, if you're ever in the country and region. Regards, Ma®©usBritish^{chat} 14:51, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

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Definition of mountain

Thanks for your comment, and for providing a better reference. I'd question how relevant the definition is for the purposes of the article as I suspect it was motivated by convenience, after 600m had been chosen as a threshold for default freedom of access. I've modified the text to clarify the context. The promotion of Mynydd Graig Goch to mountain status on the basis of reaching 2000ft made the national news, and only the UK Metric Association begged to differ! However there are certainly people in the bagging world seeking to replace 2000ft by 600m in the interests of "going metric" -- in the UK they are very much in the minority, but in Ireland they're probably now in the majority. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Galltywenallt (talk • contribs) 16:38, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Dorset

Could I respectfully suggest that you check your edits/contributions before posting them? Recently, I reverted your Wikilink on the Ridgeway Hill Viking burial pit because it linked to entirely the wrong area of the Dorset Ridgeway. The site of the burial is above the Ridgeway at Weymouth and nowhere near your reference, which is much nearer to Swanage. Also I note that another editor has reverted your contribution on the Dorset article, with reference to hills. I agree with the revert and note that you have at least one location, Win Green, which is in Wiltshire - and not Dorset. Please feel free to contact me, as a Dorset resident, before posting location details. Regards, David J Johnson (talk) 21:18, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

As per my rationale for the reversion mentioned above, posting a list like that is bound to cause problems. It was unreferenced (especially jarring in a FA), required an entirely new subsection and was disproportionate to the rest of the article coverage (i.e., this is not the Geography of Dorset article). Please don't be put off from contributing to the article in future, but if it's a major and possibly controversial edit, then raise it via the talk page! Cheers, MasterOfHisOwnDomain (talk) 21:32, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

@ David. Having created over 3,000 articles, it is not always practical to check every piece of information I upload, but I am always grateful for the cooperation of other sharp-eyed editors in fine-tuning the accuracy of articles.

Incidentally I didn't make the list up. It came primarily from the North Dorset Ramblers web page, backed up where possible by the Database of British and Irish Hills, but I note they had Win Green in brackets and now I know why!

@MOHD. With regard to the Dorset article, you make some fair points, but I'm not sure a blanket delete is entirely fair. First, the lack of a reference (which I could supply) isn't a reason to scrub information - normally we tag it; second, there are other regional articles that include lists of hills within the geography section. That said, I wouldn't have an issue with moving this to the Geography of Dorset article and/or having a separate "List of Hills of Dorset" as the main article with a shorter section at the Dorset article containing a selection of the most notable. What would you advise? --Bermicourt (talk) 21:45, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

To be frank, my blanket delete was because the content was simply not up to the standards of the article (see WP:DAQ). Again, being honest, not sure whether a separate list article is warranted for such a small area (e.g., there is a List of Marilyns in England but not for any of the counties). My advice would be to add a subheader in Geography of Dorset for "Other Hills" and to list in prose the hills. MasterOfHisOwnDomain (talk) 21:56, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Different approach. I've left the precious featured article alone and created a separate table at List of hills in Dorset which seems to be well received. --Bermicourt (talk) 05:46, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Category:Alpinism

Category:Alpinism, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Nathan Johnson (talk) 14:52, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Makes sense to merge into Category:Mountaineering. --Bermicourt (talk) 05:43, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Tumps

Appropriate for inclusion at this time? Sorces are poor - 4 passing mentions in "More relative hills", John Butler admits he invented the name ThuMPs, even the self-published source you linked (not allowed in the article body BTW) for the list, doesn't actually use the name. Google has 0 1st page results for the search "Tump hill". Finally, and this is really aimed at whoever named them, but surely it should be TMPs or ThMPs, what the hell does the "u" stand for. Please improve it or remove it.--Trappedinburnley (talk) 23:36, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

In looking at the notability of certain hills, I came across further work to list all 30 metre prominences in Britain (bearing in mind we already have Hewitts (over 2000 feet) and Deweys (over 500 m but below 2000 feet). This appears to be a highly specialised, niche area and, like you, I came across very few sources. Of the three I located, Jackson appears the most authoritative and he refers to them as Tumps; the other two don't name them. In tracking down the references at the back of Jackson's book, however, I had to join the yahoo forum that specialises in this area. Referring to the article on List of hills of Dorset, they told me that most of the hills classed as "None" in the listing column are "Tumps". So this term seems to have gained currency, but I will investigate further.

We could call the section "30 metre prominences" and mention Tumps in the text, but that title seems too vague and overlaps with Hewitts and Deweys.

I don't think the "u" stands for anything, but you need to ask the inventor of the term! There isn't huge logic in some of these names - look at Marilyn!

I'll do some more research and see if we can bottom this out - perhaps the experts on yahoo can help - I'll get back to you. --Bermicourt (talk) 07:24, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Hardy Monument

Hello Bermicourt, Somewhere between your recent revisions, the pic of Hardy Monument got deleted. I have re-inserted pic, as it should accompany article. With kind regards, David J Johnson (talk) 19:34, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

My apologies, I took a hurried look at the revisions and missed it. Thank you for pointing this error. Regards, David J Johnson (talk) 22:48, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Cologne-Frankfurt high-speed railway

Somebody moved this to Köln–Frankfurt high-speed rail line with the comment "Sources such as Railway Gazette seem to prefer "Köln"", which doesn't impress me, but I don't seem to be able to move it (back?) to Cologne-Frankfurt high-speed railway.--Grahame (talk) 11:47, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

German translation

Hello. I was on Wikipedia:Translators available and notice that you were on the list for German to English translators and wondered if you could translate de:Louis Philippe Marie Léopold d’Orléans, prince de Condé to Louis d'Orléans, Prince of Condé? Thank you.--The Emperor's New Spy (talk) 18:16, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

No problem. Done. However, there are no links to this page yet. --Bermicourt (talk) 20:46, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Oops. It seems that The Emperor's New Spy has been asking more than one of us. I was just going to hit "save" for my translation when I suddenly found your version online. De728631 (talk) 20:59, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Could you create de:Margarete von Sizilien-Aragon and expand her husband's article from his German article.--The Emperor's New Spy (talk) 12:46, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

I'll take a look sometime, but I'm moving house and countries, so I may not be able to get round to this for a while. --Bermicourt (talk) 19:03, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Could you translate content from de:Ludwig Gaston von Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha to Prince Ludwig of Saxe-Coburg-Kohary?--The Emperor's New Spy (talk) 09:30, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Louis d'Orléans, Prince of Condé

Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:04, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Help in wikifying of German Translated articles

I translated this articles via Google Translate from German Wikipedia over a year ago.

• Vladimir Horbowski
• Helmuth Gericke
• Karin_Reich
• Eberhard_Knobloch
• Joseph Ehrenfried Hofmann

Will you help wikifying them. Solomon7968 (talk) 14:26, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Happy to have a look, but I'm in the process of moving countries and house hunting so it may take a while! Bermicourt (talk) 09:59, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

I am also involved in other articles. And thanks in advance to you for help. Solomon7968 (talk) 13:50, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

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Thanks

Thanks for trying to fix Petrus Albinus, I think I figured out the problem. The persondata template was in German, and was probably causing the issue. I replaced it and that should hopefully fix the problem. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 13:12, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Medingen Abbey

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Reinoldikirche

This is what I read on the commons: "The Reinoldikirche is the main church of the protestant diocese (Landeskirche) in Westfalia." It makes sense. Please also look at the inconsistency of church names noticed here. We don't have to treat them all equal. Reinoldikirche is a landmark commonly known by that name. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:02, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Infobox Unternehmen

Template:Infobox Unternehmen has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:32, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Visual Editor

Hey Bermicourt, I'm sending you this because you've made quite a few edits to the template namespace in the past couple of months. If I've got this wrong, or if I haven't but you're not interested in my request, don't worry; this is the only notice I'm sending out on the subject :).

So, as you know (or should know - we sent out a centralnotice and several watchlist notices) we're planning to deploy the VisualEditor on Monday, 1 July, as the default editor. For those of us who prefer markup editing, fear not; we'll still be able to use the markup editor, which isn't going anywhere.

What's important here, though, is that the VisualEditor features an interactive template inspector; you click an icon on a template and it shows you the parameters, the contents of those fields, and human-readable parameter names, along with descriptions of what each parameter does. Personally, I find this pretty awesome, and from Monday it's going to be heavily used, since, as said, the VisualEditor will become the default.

The thing that generates the human-readable names and descriptions is a small JSON data structure, loaded through an extension called TemplateData. I'm reaching out to you in the hopes that you'd be willing and able to put some time into adding TemplateData to high-profile templates. It's pretty easy to understand (heck, if I can write it, anyone can) and you can find a guide here, along with a list of prominent templates, although I suspect we can all hazard a guess as to high-profile templates that would benefit from this. Hopefully you're willing to give it a try; the more TemplateData sections get added, the better the interface can be. If you run into any problems, drop a note on the Feedback page.

Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 21:39, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

re Eszett

Please read the following carefully. Here are Wiki guidelines on use of modified letters, emphasis added:

"The use of modified letters (such as accents or other diacritics) in article titles is neither encouraged nor discouraged; when deciding between versions of a word which differ in the use or non-use of modified letters, follow the general usage in reliable sources that are written in the English language (including other encyclopedias and reference works)." The section on article titles is almost exactly the same, except also allowing for news source usage.

My own ~1934 and 1966 Encyclopedia Britannica contain zero eszett uses, and I have perused enough later editions to be able to say that they never use it either. Also, it never occurs in any American printed media source that I have ever seen, nor does it appeared in such hardcover works as those by Shirer and a translation I have read of Grass' My Century.

I would also like to draw your attention to the name "Gauss". Do you know who Gauss was? There is a lengthy English-language article on him which uses eszett only in the first sentence to inform the reader of German usage. Similarly for "Dollfuss" and "Hess". Use of eszett in any of those cases would be seriously misleading to any English speaker not familiar with German usage, and I think it would be safe to say over 99% of all English speakers have never heard of the ligature eszett, and have no need to know about it unless they are learning the German language or are travelling in Germany.

Wiki Eszett usage is frankly an irrational imposition by German and Germanophile editors, and should be forbidden except for the sole clarifying introductory statement. It is fully appropriate to edit it wherever it occurs, and I shall revert your undo edits shortly. User: 108.234.185.147

re Eszett II

Since "ß" is neither encouraged nor discouraged, there needs to be a good reason to change existing text. The only justifiable change you have made is to Gauss since that spelling is widespread and common in English sources. The small hill of Haußelberg and hamlet of Unterlüß are, on the other hand, not widely reported in English sources, so we follow the section on No established usage in English-language sources. You omitted comment on the fact that eszett is confusingly unfamiliar to non-German speakers, which certainly qualifies as a good reason. You also affect not to appreciate that substitution of -ss for eszett is, aside from Wiki and its spinoffs and copiers, UNIVERSAL STANDARD PRACTICE IN ENGLISH TRANSLITERATION OF GERMAN. That fact supersedes consideration of unestablished usage for any particular word. Furthermore, how does one go about determining "established usage"? Furthermore Google of "Hausselberg" returns numerous hits for the geographical entity in which -ss IS substituted for eszett, as in pages and pages of hits. No need to take my word for it, see for yourself, but be sure to put the name in quotes or Google will return "Hasselberg". That indicates there IS an established English-language usage for HauSSelberg, and that usage employs transliteration of eszett to -ss. How soon can we expect you to correct your oversight? That's why the article titles are spelt that way. Your change to the image name means the image fails to display and your change to the opening sentence resulted in a typo.

Eszett usage is irrational wherever encountered in an English-language text.

With respect to your criticism of the use of "ß" on Wikipedia, I'm afraid WP:JUSTDONTLIKEIT is not an argument that carries weight here.

That argument would more appropriately applied to Wiki editors whose I-am-never-wrong vanity blinds them to obvious substandard usage such as use of eszett in an English-language article.

Please also try to be civil in your remarks and do not use personal criticism including sarcasm like "Do you know who Gauss was?". My degree happens to be in engineering, so of course I know who he was.

So then why did you undo my appropriate spelling for Gauss? And I notice you don't mention Dollfuss or Hess.

You should be aware that there has been considerable debate about the use of "ß" in the past. Just 2 examples are here and here. Please familiarize yourself with the arguments before making changes that are not supported by current guidelines and practice. If you wish to propose a change to the guidelines you need to do so on the appropriate page and inform the relevant Wiki projects (e.g. for Germany).

I did read one debate and gave up when I got to someone who went on whining about how the name "Dollfuss" (I think it was Dollfuss) "doesn't exist" or some such foolishness.

But anyway, never mind the debate because it is the resolution which is important, and it would be nice to know if there actually was a resolution, who made it, and if it actually included a decision to violate universal English transliteration standards.

108.234.185.147 (talk) 20:45, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

re Eszett III

I appreciate your most recent message, but wonder why you did not say to begin with that you agreed with me. And if you agree with me, then why undo my edits? If it would have jeopardized your standing as an editor, OK; otherwise, let it go. As for Google, it occurs to me that it must at this moment be the foremost international standard setter, and there is no reason to limit the standard to the Google Books category. Also, several pages of regular Google Search should count for everything if there are no Google Books hits. I would still like to know who the authority is around here in general, and especially who authority was on the eszett issue. Apparently site spokesman (Jimbo) has no real power. I am curious about exactly what his part in the debate was-- is there an easy way to find it? IMO eszett usage is so absurd that it could use a full-scale reversion assault. There are times when collegiality and consensus simply do not work, and combat is the only way to force an issue. Instead of fighting me, why don't you join me? 108.234.185.147 (talk) 21:24, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

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