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Bibliographic formats

Hello. Could I politely take issue with some of your recent amendments to the reference formats in articles like Madeleine Grey, Maurice Ravel and Piano Concerto for the Left Hand (Ravel)? You have opted for the Harvard format which is different from the style already in use on some of the pages, which means there is now a mixture of styles. And while Harvard works fine in the sciences, it sometimes comes unstuck with humanities references, especially where editions of works are concerned. E.g. the reference for: Ravel, Maurice & Orenstein, Arbie (1989), Lettres, écrits, entretiens, Harmoniques, Paris: Flammarion, p. 189, ISBN 2080661035, OCLC 20025651 - now looks as if it's a joint work by Ravel and Orenstein, because this Harvard format can't cope with the idea of an editor as well as an author.

I would suggest abandoning the "Citation" template and reworking this one as: Maurice Ravel. Lettres, écrits, entretiens; [edited by] Arbie Orenstein. Paris, Flammarion, 1989. p.189. ISBN 2080661035, OCLC 20025651. (The author name only needs to be inverted to Ravel, Maurice, in the alphabetised bibliographies, not in numbered "reflists". The original statement of responsability in French is very elaborate - "réunis, présentés et annotés par..." - and in an English source can be usefully abbreviated to [edited by]. The series Harmoniques is unnumbered and not helpful in the reference. I don't think the ISBN needs to be hypertexted as it doesn't lead to a bibliographic reference - and one perhaps doesn't need to include quite so many of the library links as it makes the list harder to read.)

Sorry to go on so. I can see that the Ravel article has been messy for a long while and you have been trying to bring some much needed order to it. Now that you have done all the work on this list, perhaps a few tweaks would be the most economical way of resolving things. Should I have a go? Lampernist (talk) 12:18, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Hows about:

• Ravel, Maurice (1989), Orenstein, Arbie (ed.), Lettres, écrits, entretiens, Harmoniques, Paris: Flammarion, ISBN 2080661035, OCLC 20025651

--Blehfu (talk) 14:00, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, that clarifies the main problem, and it's a more economical fix than what I was thinking of. (I would ditch the series title which is just confusing.) I think the Worldcat entries can be obscure because although they have no doubt coded the source data correctly, their output format doesn't seem to allow them to distinguish things like editors and authors.

I think there are still a couple of issues about the Citation template though. (1) It is not a good idea introduce it to existing lists of references (as in Madeleine Grey and Piano Concerto for the Left Hand (Ravel)) because it creates variant styles in the same list. I think a bit of tidying up is needed here. (2) The format of the Citation template is quite restrictive and really not suitable for some types of reference, especially for non-scientific subjects. For example, in the current list of Ravel references, look at the journal and newspaper articles where the date format conflicts with the other entries and is not in proper Harvard style - and the use of italics and quote marks is inconsistent. The book entry for Jankélévitch is also messy because the edition statement comes after the series note and makes no sense there. I know this sounds pedantic but the main requirement for references is that they should be clear, and these unnecessary inconsistencies just increase the possibilities for confusion. The other worry I have is that by making the "[Foot]Notes" section refer to the "References[Further reading]" section, it creates a 2-stage look-up to check what a reference is. I would treat the two sections quite separately and make life easier all round. Lampernist (talk) 20:24, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Hm. Upon doing a little digging, I agree re: the other articles. I'll revert the changes, at least for now. Uniformity is important, but often without my changes in the references, it's already lacking.

As you might imagine from my changes to Ravel, it is some sort of uniformity in the references I'm looking for. I still haven't found a totally satisfactory solution, so perhaps it is best that I try and hash one out now before I mark further changes to articles. I've settled on the Citation and Harvnb templates as they work very well together with automatic CITExxxyyy tags, but I appreciate the limitations of the Citation template. What would you suggest, using the Cite xxx templates? --Blehfu (talk) 22:47, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

I see you have changed around the Ravel references and I think they look a lot better. That other method of combining footnotes with a separate bibliography probably works better in a doctoral thesis than in an encyclopedia article. I've had a quick look at the Cite template and it does seem to offer more control over treatment of different material types, and its punctuation style looks sharper to me. Like the other template, it is still based on Harvard style, of which you may have gathered I am not a fan for this kind of material. My personal preference is to avoid templates and to format individual references according to something like The MLA Style Manual, and in that way you retain complete control for the unexpected. However that is a subjective preference. Thanks for sorting out the mixed references. Lampernist (talk) 13:19, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Warning: False allegations

Do not post false allegations on my talk page. The person editing Jazzy B is not writing in according with WP:BLP policy. If you have a problem I strongly suggest you take this up with an admin and you'll see what happens. Thanks! JBsupreme (talk) 05:45, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

CSD G4

Please be aware that CSD G4 doesn't apply to speedy deleted articles - only to articles deleted through an deletion discussion. For requesting deletion of articles which were recreated after speedy deletion, please use the CSD used for original deletion. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 06:24, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Louis Cheskin...

Have copyedited this article as much as I can: it contains too much unverified information and practically NO biographical information. Suggest it be split into two or more articles: one (a stub) about Cheskin himself, and a second about his marketing innovations and methods. (Copied from Louis Cheskin talk page.) Cheers, Shir-El too 22:29, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

BTW I forgot to thank you! Your messages remind me to check the article history before I start copyediting a new page, to see if anyone's working on it already. Merci, Shir-El too 20:54, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Re: My edit to Bungie

Well my brother was playing Halo 3 and he made a map on forge but it got deleted and that made him upset I apologize for my edit 69.181.141.140 (talk) 05:32, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Map Deletion

But what do you think caused by bro's map to be deleted? 69.181.141.140 (talk) 05:36, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

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Rollback enabled on your account

Hello Blehfu,

I have noticed that you revert quite a bit of vandalism. Since you have demonstrated that you have a good grasp of what constitutes vandalism, I have enabled rollback on your account. Keep in mind these things when going to use rollback:

• Getting rollback is no more momentous than installing Twinkle.
• Rollback can be used to revert vandalism only, and not good faith edits.
• Rollback may be removed at any time.

If you no longer want rollback, then contact me and I'll remove it. Also, for some information on how to use rollback, you can view this page. I'm sure you'll do great with rollback, just leave me a message on my talk page if you run into troubles or have any questions about appropriate/inappropriate use of rollback. Happy editing! J.delanoy^gabs_adds 04:09, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Rollback is particularly useful if one user has made a lot of vandalisms before you notice and revert one. However, the main thing that Rollback does is makes you eligible to use Huggle, which is an absolutely insanely fast tool. If you do try out Huggle, and I recommend that you do, be very careful for the first few days!!!! Take it slow (I cannot emphasize that enough) until you get used to its speed. If you make mistakes, be sure to self-revert. There are many, many admins who will remove your Huggle access very quickly if you misuse it, even if your errors were accidental. I have to go to sleep now, if you have any questions about installing Huggle, look at the page history of WP:AIV and ask one of the people who report people using HG. J.delanoy^gabs_adds 04:19, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

aug 6

Hi, just had a look at "Harmonic function" there, and I love what you've done. Tony (talk) 09:21, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, "augmented 6th". :=) Tony (talk) 14:56, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Re: Barnstar

I've not seen you around before so I'm not sure how you usually communicate here on the project but is this really necessary? Writing in that kind of style is frowned upon here even if it is on someone's talkpage. Remember this is an English encyclopaedia and we try to stamp out the kind of language one would usually expect to find on a social networking site. Regards, —— RyanLupin • (talk) 09:55, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you

I am really thankful that you came out and gave me friendly suggestions toward my article. All other members have stamped me out as if I were a flee. Thank you once again. Brotos (talk) 06:28, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Question

Hi, I just confused over one thing. Do the articles like Electronic information industry in China or Industry of China discuss about People's Republic of China only, or PRC+Taiwan as whole? Please respond in your talk page. Thank you. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 14:04, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm afraid I don't know. --Blehfu (talk) 14:18, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Parent-centred parenting

An article that you have been involved in editing, Parent-centred parenting, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Parent-centred parenting. Thank you. Do you want to opt out of receiving this notice? Accounting4Taste:talk 23:08, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar!

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Thanks!

Just wanted to say thanks for the nice note you left on User talk:Kevin J Powell. I had come over from deleting their copyvios on Commons, so I was probably a little more bitey than I should have been. Needless to say, I appreciate you taking the time to help out a new user. --jonny-mt 05:12, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Fizzy Pop

Albums are not subject to the 'no claim of notability' speedy deletion criteria. - CobaltBlueTony™ _talk 14:39, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Quertzoid

you tagged this as G7; where did he request deletion? Ironholds 14:49, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Dugway Brook Watershed

Thank you for your comment (and edit)! --Swinterich (talk) 13:53, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

The Wendy Trilogy

hiya - in response to your quck deletion tag on this page, I added in how these songs inspired the formation of an independant organization. The page itself also serves to provide more in-depth information for a bullet point on the page about Pater Pan adaptations, from which the page is linked.

With this in mind, can you please take off the speedy deletion tag? Any objections, please hit my talk page. I'm pretty new to creating and editing pages, so I'm willing to hear any comments or criticisms, and please pardon any inadevertant lapses of etiquette :)

thanks!

Jacktheconqueror (talk) 04:23, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Inappropriate pages

Hello! I saw you also noticed that Ian hurley was a inappropriate page. I am a newer wikipedian and was unsure of the correct way to go about marking the page for deletion and alerting the user. I was a little overwhelmed by the FAQ and guides and was wondering if you could just quickly tell me the steps you took dealing with this page.

Thank you. Comlag225 (talk) 04:50, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Grrr

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I know. That's what galls me so much. And I even warned you to be careful so that you wouldn't get it removed. Curses! For the benefit of anyone else who reads this, I'm joking. Blehfu is doing an excellent job. Too excellent.... J.delanoy^gabs_adds 18:53, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

TQ

TQ very much for the interest and helping with the editing of Islam in Burma. --Darz kkg (talk) 11:45, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Andrei Arshavin vandalism

Thanks for reverting the vandalism. Although it seems to have stopped, I thought I'd let you know, I've requested the page be temporarily protected here. Cheers, --Jimbo^[online] 23:51, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Soup

Might not be worth warning them. From the differences in IPs, it looks like it may be another GRAWP-bombing, or something similar. HalfShadow 04:02, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

List of cultural icons of England

This list is an offshoot of the Cultural icon article which has been in existence for many years. Adding a link to the Cadbury Dairy Milk article is neither spurious nor vandalism, but an appropriate link to a culinary cultural icon. Renata (talk) 18:55, 6 September 2008 (UTC) Sincere apologies! This is what comes of editing when tired :-) Renata (talk) 03:49, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Cats in user space

Hi there. I know you are probably working on the Ravel article in user space, but you really shouldn't place cats on user pages as they will show up on the cat pages. Please removes cats from User:Blehfu/Sandbox/Maurice Ravel. Thanks.Nrswanson (talk) 08:31, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you

Blehfu, Thanks for the welcome tag you put on my talk page. It has inspired me to welcome others! Much appreciated. shirulashem (talk) 11:24, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Need help with cite-format (article almost ready for another FAC)

Hi. I hope you don't mind me dropping in uninvited. I found you at the Citation cleanup project. You see, the article on Sitakunda Upazila failed an FAC mostly because of cite-format issues (inconsistent format, missing bits of information etc.). I have fixed all the issues raised, but, I feel, an expert hand may be needed to fix further problems. Would you take a look? Please? I, of course will be there to provide any clarification or information necessary. Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 13:42, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Cathie Pelletier

Hi there, noticed that u tagged the article for being a dead end & autobiography, ive had a go at tidying the page up as i saw it on the list. Ive added a few references, links and played with the writing to make it seem less like an autobiography, i think Cathie may have created the article herself ! I dont know how to remove the article from the disputed neutrality list so i dont know if u can ? Thanks (Neostinker (talk) 02:37, 18 November 2008 (UTC))

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