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Mentoring for counter vandalism

Hi,

I want to fight vandalism, but I don't really know how. Could you mentor me? Sir Lancelot of the Lake (talk) 21:05, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Sir Lancelot of the Lake Good day. To participate in the CVUA program, an editor needs to have least 200+ main space edits. You have 25 edits so far - see here., so pls wait until your main space edit has reached over 200, then pop back here if you are still interested in the program. At the meantime, pls complete WP:TW program to gain fundamental knowledge of Wikipedia guidelines Stay safe and best. Cassiopeia(talk) 11:01, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

CVU

Can i be mentored by you, grand teacher? 爱疯了 (talk) 10:25, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

爱疯了 Good day. To participate in the CVUA program, an editor needs to have least 200+ main space edits. You have 11 edits so far - see here., so pls wait until your main space edit has reached over 200, then pop back here if you are still interested in the program. At the meantime, pls complete WP:TW program to gain fundamental knowledge of Wikipedia guidelines Stay safe and best. Cassiopeia(talk) 11:01, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

What about Terrion Ware?

Terrion Ware needs a MMA article he has had 3 UFC fights. But the name redirects to list of current UFC fighters. Dwanyewest (talk) 17:06, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Dwanyewest Good day. Ware is notable. I went back to work after a hiatus and dont have much time this year but I will write the page when I have time. Enjoy UFC 253 this weekend and stay safe. Best.. Cassiopeia(talk) 07:59, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Alistair Overeem edit reverts

Hi Cassiopeia, you recently reverted two edits I made to the short description of the Alistair Overeem article. Your justification has been that the fact that he won the K1 championship warrants including him being a former kickboxer in the short description, but I think this is incorrect. As per Wikipedia:Short description, the short description should be as short as possible. Including a fighter's past career or wins does not qualify as being "as short as possible". I think Overeem's short description should be restricted to mentioning his current career, nothing more. werewolf (talk) 14:08, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Revirvlkodlaku Good day and thank you for the message above. I have added about 15K short description so far and when I started joining Short disc project, I had some communication with the editor/admin who champion the project - see here. Thus, it is no right or wrong way to write the short disc but when writing a short disc we should state it in clear and short what/who subject is bout and not about whether we should not add the former career/position. Example example Beyoncé / Jennifer Lopez, I do agree with you if the former position/career is a vertical progression such as we would not include "lawyer" in President Barack Obama. Hundred of thousands MMA fighters started out/competed in kickboxing, but only 9 fighters won K-1 World Grand Prix where K-1most prestige kickboxing promotion in the world just as NBA to basketball, Tour de France to multi stage bicycle race or Ironman 70.3 Hawaii to ironman triathlons race, and only K-1 3 K-1 World Grand Prix champions transitioned to MMA and Overeem is one of them. It is not a small achievement to win the title. To state Overeem is a kickboxer and a MMA fighter in the short disc, I see no harm but appropriate so. Stay safe and best. Cassiopeia(talk) 08:42, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Fight Island dates

Hello, Cass. How are you? I noticed you changed the dates from the Fight Island events, but you've read it wrong. Gulf Standard Time is UTC+04:00, while Eastern Daylight Time is currently UTC-04:00. That means 8 hours of difference. Therefore:
UFC 253:
Main card – 10 p.m. ET (Sep 26) / 6 a.m. GST (Sep 27)
Late Prelims – 8 p.m. ET 4 a.m. / GST (Sep 27)
Early Prelims – 6:30 p.m. ET (Sep 26) / 2:30 a.m. GST (Sep 27)

The only one that would change is UFC 254, which will be broadcast prime time in Abu Dhabi:
UFC 254:
Main card – 2 p.m. ET / 10 p.m. GST
Late Prelims – 12 p.m. ET / 8 p.m. GST
Early Prelims – 10:15 a.m. ET / 6:15 p.m. GST i

If it happens on Oct 24, it is the same day regardless of the location. So we have it as October 25 (Sunday at the moment), but they do not have the date on it on the website. It will probably be October 24 (Saturday). Anyway... I hope you understand and I'm restoring the correct dates to the first four events. Take care. Gsfelipe94 (talk) 18:40, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Gsfelipe94 Well here (finally we are allow to go to gym to workout with social distancing measures in place) and thank you for asking. I see what you are saying and you were right for I have read them wrongly. I just check UFC.com on AU site and it states UFC 253 maincard is Sun, Sep 27 / 12:00 PM AEST. I stand corrected and thank you for informing. Enjoy UFC 253 this weekend - many good matchups. Stay safe and best. Cassiopeia(talk) 07:55, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
Good to know that things are getting better down under. And no problem about the confusion, it happens to all of us. Take care and enjoy the fights! Gsfelipe94 (talk) 00:26, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Joining your CVU class?

Hi Cassiopeia, I'm interested in learning how to defeat vandals in my journey through Wikipedia, and I would like you to become my mentor/trainer. If you could let me know if you are up to train me or not, that would be great! Thanks,   Go-Tsumaroki   00:58, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Go-Tsumaroki Good day. Thank you for interested in joining CUVA program. Pls note that there would be a lot of reading and assignment for such do note that you need to set aside from time to read and work on the assignment. Before I set up the program for you, please complete WP:TWA program to familiar yourself with some basic Wikipedia guidelines and once you have done it, then pop back here and let me know. Stay safe and best. Cassiopeia(talk) 08:46, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

New fighters for the mainspace

So for tomorrow's event, I got only two fighters reaching notability criteria

But I also have a few fighters from previous years who have reached it but never got a page.

Also dw, I will do Terrion Ware eventually, don't know if it's a meme or what. Best wishes, HeinzMaster (talk) 00:26, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

HeinzMaster See above comment. For Terrion Ware pls add content in here-1. There are 4/5 fighters would be notable in future date which redirects have been already made - see here-2. Just click edit and start adding content. Thank you very much for your time in contributing to Wikipedia project. I am extremely pleased with your effort. Stay safe and best. Cassiopeia(talk) 06:02, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
HeinzMaster All done. Thank you for your contribution. Stay safe and best. Cassiopeia(talk) 02:50, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Dashon Johnson's UFC record?

Dashon Johnson fought 3 times in the UFC and hasn't got a record on his wikipedia article. Dwanyewest (talk) 01:34, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Dwanyewest OK I think he had 2 fight in UFC. will add it in. Stay safe. Cassiopeia(talk) 09:25, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

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21:23, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Seeking advice

Hi Cassiopeia, we have discussed short descriptions before so I thought I would consult you on something I've been dealing with in the past while. I've been engaged in a "silent battle" with another editor over short descriptions of various films. This editor closely monitors film pages, and insists that the only required information in a short description should be the year it was released and the fact that it's a film, so for example, it will read "1952 film". I am of the opinion that in the very least, a film's short description should include the nation where it was made (not necessarily where it was filmed, of course). I like to add the genre as well, as I think it not only helps disambiguate the film from others in a succinct manner, but it can help casual readers. You seem to have experience with short descriptions, what are your thoughts on this? Thank you! werewolf (talk) 16:17, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Revirvlkodlaku, Hi Good day. Could you pls provide the name of the article? Thank you and stay safe. Cassiopeia(talk) 00:04, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
Cassiopeia, it's multiple articles, not just one. What would you use as a general rule for short descriptions on film pages? werewolf (talk) 00:43, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
Revirvlkodlaku, There are a few ways for film short disc (1) by year and country if we dont know the director - example 2019 Spanish film. (2) If we know the director then 2019 film directed xxxxx" (3) For a more detail short disc we would describe all necessary info in a brief yet condense phase - example "2019 epic historical France film directed by xxx". (4) If we dont know the year or the director or the country, then just summaries the content of the article we would find that is appropriate - example - "horror film set in Victoria period". To say all that, it is would be best to open a discussion in the article talk page to engage the involved editor for (1) if you involved in more than 3 revert in the same article within 24 hour, you would be blocked from editing due to WP:Edit warring (EW). EW also apply edits which revert back to the original/period edits for a period of them (a few days to few weeks) without any discussions - which we would call silent edit warring. Let me know if anything else I could help. Stay safe and best. Cassiopeia(talk) 00:58, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
Cassiopeia, I appreciate your input, but this isn't quite what I'm asking. I'm aware of the things you listed, and this is why I'm having an issue with the other editor. The individual insists on only including the year and the word "film" in the short description of each film they supervise. I'm asking you if you think this is appropriate, and even better as a short description than my version, which would in the least include the film's country of origin. Thanks! werewolf (talk) 01:28, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
Revirvlkodlaku, If we do know the country and the director then we would add them in. As mentioned before that is no right or wrong way for short disc but we aim to provide brief, condense phrase to describe the article. Do open a discussion in the article talk page. If many articles are involved then open the discussion on the involved editor talk page. Let me know if you need further assistance. best. Cassiopeia(talk) 01:37, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
Cassiopeia, I did in fact open a discussion on the editor's talk page regarding this topic, and their answer was basically "short means short", and there was no flexibility on their part. How would you proceed in this situation? Thanks! werewolf (talk) 02:18, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
Revirvlkodlaku, Pls provide the editor user name so I may comment on their talk page. Thank you. Cassiopeia(talk) 02:19, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
Cassiopeia, it's Lugnuts. They're a fairly prolific editor, I'm sure you've encountered them before. Thanks! werewolf (talk) 03:51, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
Revirvlkodlaku, and where is the discussion link (hist diff)? Cassiopeia(talk) 04:10, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
Cassiopeia, here it is, sorry: User talk:Lugnuts/Archive 54#Reverting short article descriptions werewolf (talk) 04:55, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
Cassiopeia, thanks again for trying to intercede in the discussion on s/d's with Lugnuts. As you can see, the individual is rather recalcitrant and not open to compromise on the matter, which is unfortunate. I don't know if there's another avenue where this could be pursued in order to attempt to reach a compromise with them. I'm fine letting it go, of course, but it does still bother me since we're not simply talking about one edit, or one article, but multiple pages, and I do think these pages could use a better s/d. Thanks also for your tip on how to fix the issue with my handle, I have gone and taken care of that :) Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 13:31, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
Revirvlkodlaku, Good day. If it involved only a few pages then let it go for it is a small matter. However, if it happens again and many times, then you can bring the matter to WP:ANI; however, I would try to avoid that in all meant for it is a last resort and ANI discussion at times could be a motional exhaustion and the if you think the matter is small enough than less it go and spend your time and energy in other articles/areas/tasks you enjoy and fancy. P/S: I see you have change your sign off user name  . Let me know if anything else I could help. Take good care and stay safe. Cassiopeia(talk) 22:57, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
Cassiopeia, it is many pages, dozens that I've seen myself, but this editor has likely done the same thing to hundreds of pages...still, I would agree that it's not a huge issue. After all, it's better that the articles have a too-short description than none at all, right? Ha, yes, I followed your directions and changed my signature. I thought it was strange that Lugnuts would bring the point up but then get all huffy when you actually weighed in. Oh well, I'm glad there are editors like you around, reasonable and easy to talk to. Thank you again :) Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 03:54, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
Revirvlkodlaku, We have about 3.6 million articles (60%) have yet to have s/d and it is better to have a s/d then none for an article for it will take years to get them done unless there are huge effort from s/d editors. I am glad I could help and take good care. Pop back here if you need help in anything. stay safe and best. Cassiopeia(talk) 04:18, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

Academy

Hey! I am about to start work on a new anti-vandalism bot, so I am trying to get more involved in this community. I saw that you are a trainer at the anti-vandalism academy. Would you be willing to train me? Sam at Megaputer (talk) 15:24, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Sam at Megaputer Good day. Thank you for interested in the CUVA program.
  1. .Participant needs to have at least 200 mainspace edits to join the program. You have 57 mianspace edits (as of this message - pls see HERE-1 (see second section "Namespace Totals" and look for "main"). When you reach 200 main space edits then pop back here to let me know.
  2. At the meantime, pls complete WP:TWA program for it would set you up to familiar with some basic Wikipedia guidelines.
  3. I understand that you have declared that you do some volunteer work for Megaputer Intelligence), pls disclosed your WP:COI in your article talk page (which you had) and as well as in your user page for Draft:PolyAnalyst.
  4. Although your current username is permissible; however, I do suggest you to choose (rename) a more fitting/totally unrelated name to Megaputer since you did and still edit Draft:PolyAnalyst (you create the page prior the admin changed your user to current one) which the subject is associated with Megaputer Intelligent. (Take your time to find a new user name). Pls do not edit any any articles which that the content related to Megaputer Intelligent or PolyAnalyst in Wikipedia but you can WP:Request edit on the article talk pages along with source provided.
  5. Once you have change your username again, pls disclosed all the previous user names on your user page.
Let me know if you need further assistance. Stay safe and best. Cassiopeia(talk) 01:20, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for your response, Cassiopeia. I have been editing for quite some time, and I am familiar with the basic guidelines. I believe that the statement I had on my user page already did constitute a COI disclosure, but I have added a clarification just in case. I would prefer to keep my username, as I do not believe that it is in violation of any guideline and because it helps me be more open about my COI, which I have made no attempt to conceal. Per WP:COI, it is permissible for me to edit pages I am associated with as long as I declare my COI, which I have. I am quite confident that I have followed guidelines on this. Additionally, per WP:ALTACCN, it is not necessary for me to disclose the identity of previous accounts when creating a new account for privacy reasons, as this would defeat the purpose of having the account. In fact, it is not even required for me to disclose the existence of previous accounts, but I have chosen to do so anyway for greater transparency.
I see that you have placed a template on Draft:PolyAnalyst claiming that it needs a cleanup for NPOV. I have already worked to clean it up for NPOV. That kind of ugly template can stick around for quit a long time if no one works to fix the problem. It would hardly be right for me to remove it with my COI, so I very much hope that you either work to fix the parts you believe to be POV or that you just remove the template. Additionally, please do not revert changes to my talk page, as you did here. It is my talk page, and I have the right to keep it as I please. Sam at Megaputer (talk) 01:41, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
Hi Sam at Megaputer, I reverted your talk page as I need to added in point 1 below.
  1. pls see the instructions for user page and article talk page disclose for COI -WP:DISCLOSE. You need to rework on your user page on Draft:PolyAnalyst.
  2. Although you are allowed to delete the info/messages on your user talk page; however, it would be best for your to archive them - see Help:Archiving a talk page for instructions, for it does not look good on your to remove all the warnings for it seems a little suspicious when you request for certain user right.
  3. Any articles which you have COI, you need to WP:Request edit on the article talk page and do provide source to support the content which need to be change/add.
  4. You have only 57 main edits, to me that is a new editor and finished the WP:TWA would be helpful for me participate in CUVA, unless you have another account, which you need to disclose to me for me to review.
  5. pls do NOT remove WP:COI template, it is a notification for you as well as other reviewers. I am one of the AfC reviewer, but I would not review your page as you have ask to enroll in CUVA program and I will leave it to other AfC reveiwer to work on the approval.
  6. Any future page you created that you have COI, you need to disclose in the article talk page, your user page and the article need to have 2 stage approval, first in AfC and second in NPP, where you must create the page in AfC (draft space).
Stay safe and best. Cassiopeia(talk) 02:35, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
HiSam at Megaputer, I have seen you deleted my messages on you talk page and indicate you no longer interested to be trained by me in CUVA program - see here. All the best and stay safe. Cassiopeia(talk)
That is correct. I am no longer interested in being trained by you. And in the future, please do not cask WP:aspersions that I have failed to disclose a COI when I have done no such thing, and please do not report me on administrator's noticeboard for policies I did not violate, as you did here. Please do discuss before reporting, and please read up on policy. This was a textbook example of how an anti-vandalism editor should not act. Sam at Megaputer (talk) 02:48, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
HiSam at Megaputer, As I stated, I wishes you the best and for me to do or stated the above is not personal attack. Btw you didnt disclosed the draft page which yo have COI "properly" in your user page. I suggest you to read the link I provide in Draft:PolyAnalyst. You seem to know alot about Wikipedia and your 57 main space edits do not reflect such for it usually for editor has other Wikipedia account or been blocked before and recreate the account - (Note: I am NOT accuse you with anything - just a thought/wonder). I do check many things, for many editors who wish to join CVUA so they would get the rollback right and then later found out they were blocked for certain reason. Thus I am not act to upset you personally, as it is part of my work to do so to accept any editor to my best effort or knowledge. Do stay safe in this covid-19 period and take good care of yourself. Best. Cassiopeia(talk) 04:08, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
Of course you are not accusing me of anything. You are just casting aspersions. This is not the first time I have asked you to stop doing that. It is disclosed on my user page that I have created this account for privacy reasons, and as noted there, that is acceptable per WP:ALTACCN. I did disclose my COI properly. It is not required to use a template, only suggested. I do wish that this had been handled more smoothly, and I am still planning to get involved in the anti-vandalism community so that I can build my new bot. I want you to know that I won't hold a grudge, but please do remember to discuss before you report. Sam at Megaputer (talk) 04:16, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
HiSam at Megaputer, I did talk to your about changing your user name for you have COI for drifting a page and blocked before. You have been clear from UAA - see HERE]. Stay safe and best. Cassiopeia(talk) 04:33, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
Hi@Sam at Megaputer, Girth Summit, HeartGlow30797, Puddleglum2.0, and Synoman Barris: (looping the trainers) Sam at Megaputer, Just a note, since you have been blocked before, it would usually take 6 months from the unblocked date to be accepted by the CUVA trainers. Take care. Cassiopeia(talk) 04:45, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #436

16:24, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Chad Mendes is 15% Sudanese, why did you remove the edit?

It's in the article, why would you remove this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 215.69.251.33 (talk) 12:55, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

215.69.251.33, Good day. I believe you refer to this edit by IP user 153.26.2.61 . If you look at the source (at the end of the sentence), it doesnt mention Sudanese. Thank you. Cassiopeia(talk) 03:37, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

New fighters for the mainspace

I have new fighters that will can be added to the mainspace after tommorrow's event.

Tiago Trator can be added now, he just never had a page.

All the best wishes and health. HeinzMaster (talk) 19:06, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

HeinzMaster Greetings.   Done and thank you. Cassiopeia(talk) 09:47, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

15:23, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #437