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Slavic Native Faith

I see you relisted Slavic Native Faith's identity and political philosophy, if you haven’t already done so can you do the same for Slavic Native Faith's theology and cosmology, and Slavic Native Faith's calendars and holidays. All three are move requests that only me and the page creator have really participated in Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 04:09, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

 Done, thanks. Edward-Woodrow • talk 11:54, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Musa Ssekaana

Hey Edward-Woodrow, There seems to be a copyvio on the career section of Draft:Musa Ssekaana from [1] Earwig's shows 68.9% violation [2]. Can you please add a tag or comment on it? Or should I leave a note on it's talk page? Jeraxmoira (talk) 18:12, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Jeraxmoira, thanks a lot for seeing that. I didn't even think checking the draft for copyvios. It's not a 100% match, but way to close for comfort. I've blanked the section and tagged the article with {{copyvio-revdel}}, so an administrator will hopefully come along soon and delete the preceding revisions. Thanks, Edward-Woodrow • talk 19:58, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

No problem. Also, I wanted to ask if it's okay to edit other's drafts even if it doesn't have the 'open to editing' tag? Jeraxmoira (talk) 05:57, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Generally, yes. WP:DRAFT says that anyone, including users who are not logged in, may create and edit drafts. Of course, people might get annoyed if you come in and rewrite a draft that they've been working on alone, but generally it's perfectly alright to amble in and make some fixes. My guess is that editing other editors' userspace drafts might be considered poor form, though. Edward-Woodrow • talk 12:29, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Got it, Thanks <3 Jeraxmoira (talk) 08:14, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

PROD date

{{Old prod|nom=Edward-Woodrow|nomdate=2023-09-09}}

Should I remove this from Beyblade X talk page? VizDsouz (talk) 17:28, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

@VizDsouz: No. What reason would you have for removing it? Edward-Woodrow • talk 19:52, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Just simply asking. VizDsouz (talk) 02:15, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Okay. No, it shouldn't be removed. It's a useful way of telling that the article has been PRODed in the past, without having to dig through page history. It is thus ineligible to be PRODed again. Thanks, Edward-Woodrow • talk 11:51, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Ok thanks VizDsouz (talk) 12:17, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Chase Shipman

Hello Edward-Woodrow, and thanks for patrolling new pages! I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Chase Shipman, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Is a plausible, useful redirect or is not a redirect at all. You may wish to review the Criteria for Speedy Deletion before tagging further pages. Thank you. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 12:33, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Hatnote at S.L. Benfica

Hello. Are you going to add all nickname redirects to the top of the page? Why add only one? There's no need to add nicknames as hatnotes... SLBedit (talk) 22:12, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

@SLBedit: I thought it was advisable as "O Gloriosa" seemed the most ambiguous. You can remove it if you want, but I figured it couldn't hurt, especially since there are several titles at Gloriosa (disambiguation) with "O Gloriosa". 22:13, 29 September 2023 (UTC) Edward-Woodrow • talk 22:13, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

You mean "O Glorioso" ("A Gloriosa" is the feminine version). Grammatical gender. SLBedit (talk) 22:18, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Right, yes of course, my bad. The hatnote links to the correct (masculine) version, though, so no harm done. Edward-Woodrow • talk 22:19, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

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I know your move proposal for Georgia was in good faith, but in the future, please don't make perennial proposals like that, at least if you don't have new and convincing arguments. It just serves to annoy the community. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 05:01, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

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Hi again, Edward-Woodrow. A few comments about some RMs:

• Talk:Operation Desert (German fuel project)#Requested move 29 August 2023 — To explain your technical request (as I should have done in a reply before carrying out the request), the reason you couldn't move the page yourself was that the new title was a redirect to a different page (not the page being moved to the redirect), so the pagemover flag "delete-redirect" would be needed to overwrite that redirect. In general, any chain of moves B → C and A → B requires a technical request/pagemover (see WP:Page mover#Moves involving primary topics).
• Talk:Tyla (South African singer)#Requested move 12 September 2023 — The same situation apparently happened here that day. Only the second move was made, even though your closure would indicate that there was a consensus for both moves (though one of the three participants disagreed with that). I'll move that page – unless the closure needs to be clarified.
• Talk:Georgia (country)#Requested move 29 September 2023 — WP:RMCI's early closure instructions say to only close an RM as "withdrawn" when nobody else has supported the move. However, I think that closure would be okay expressed instead as a WP:BOLD WP:INVOLVED WP:SNOW closure (with bold signaling that others can revert the involved closure if they disagree).

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Thanks for the information. I'll bear these points in mind in the future. Edward-Woodrow • talk 14:53, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

RfD relisting confusion

I don't have time now to work out what has happened or to fix it, but the relisting notice for Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 October 8#Dangerous Girl contains notice of a previous discussion for an unrelated set of redirects (Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 May 26#NATO occupied FR Yugoslavia). Thryduulf (talk) 15:40, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

Yikes; I'll look into it. Edward-Woodrow • talk 16:52, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

 Fixed Edward-Woodrow • talk 16:55, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

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Thank-you very much! Edward-Woodrow • talk 14:52, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Geostubs

As you've probably noticed, I reverted a batch of WP:BLARs you did on Polish places. We give editors a lot of latitude with BLAR, but I think there's so little to say about it is really pushing it as a rationale, since it directly contradicts WP:NPLACE, WP:NODEADLINE and WP:STUB. I guess this is related to the VPI thread you made and quickly (and if, I may say, wisely) withdrew. Geographic stubs are a hot topic at the moment and if you're going to wade into those depths, I think it's important you're aware that not everyone may share your assumptions. For example, many editors, myself include, would disagree that an article with only the name, the coordinates, and a bit of database-style information on a place is not a useful or viable stub.

I've also just noticed that when I granted you NPR I said it was for a month but didn't actually click that button. I guess we'll say it's permanent now, then! – Joe (talk) 15:25, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

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Outline of reptiles moved to draftspace

Thanks for your contributions to Outline of reptiles. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because it has no sources. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page OR move the page back. Edward-Woodrow • talk 00:22, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

It's a navigation page. It shouldn't have been moved to draft space. See Wikipedia:Outlines.    — The Transhumanist   02:21, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

It's also clearly incomplete. You can work on it draftspace. Furthermore, where does it say in WP:Outline that such articles are somehow exempt from verifiability? Being a type of list article on Wikipedia, outlines include Manual of Style list features such as article leads, [...] annotations, reference citations, categories, page footers, and specialized end sections (See also, References, and External links). (emphasis mine) Edward-Woodrow • talk 11:49, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

I'm on your side. I want a quality encyclopedia as much as you do. I'm totally open to criticism of the page. It's just that it's unclear what it is that you want cited, as there isn't much prose to speak of on there.

Since this is a topics list, comprised almost entirely of links to articles corresponding to the topics, the reason for inclusion of each link is easily verified by clicking on the link. Any link not serving its navigation function would immediately be discovered upon doing so.

Because of this, links in outlines are rarely challenged nor are they likely to be challenged, which satisfies the key tenet of the verifiability policy. This requirement is included in the second paragraph of the policy.

Note, that in other navigation structures, such as navigation footers, navigation sidebars, see also sections, and categories, citations are not the norm, because verification of includability is achieved by simply clicking on the links. The same thing applies to the linked topics in outlines.

If you think of links in a topic tree as headings, with the body of each of these headings in the article or list linked to, the navigation function of outlines begins to make sense.

As for completeness, keep in mind that the entirety of Wikipedia is incomplete, and that completeness is not a criteria for being in article space, otherwise we would not have stubs. I slapped a {{construction}} tag on it until I was done, and somebody else came along and reviewed it.

The list links either directly to the articles on Wikipedia about reptiles, or to lists with those articles listed. It is now an integrated part of the list navigation system, tying together existing link resources: lists containing reptilian links, and reptile-related articles not included on those lists. As I come across new links and lists that pertain, I'll be sure to add those too.

The outline is now beyond stub status, which makes it subject to Wikipedia's deletion policies. If you believe there are serious problems with the outline, feel free to tag it for AfD. Though there is no need, because, if you have any further concerns about the outline, I'll be happy to address them, via editing and discussion. If you spot any dubious parent-offspring relationships in the hierarchy of the outline, please let me know, and I'll fix them straight away, including with citations, if necessary.

Always open to cooperation, sincerely,    — The Transhumanist   22:40, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your open attitude. It's always nicer to discuss things with other editors when they're as polite as you.

I made an error of judgement in my draftification. It looked as if it was a work in progress unfit for mainspace: empty sections, dangling sentences, and no sources to be found. I draftified it to give the creator (you) time to work on it outside of public view. I did not check the policies on Wikipedia outlines.

My apologies.

Happy editing, Edward-Woodrow • talk 00:45, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Edward-Woodrow,

Before draftifying an article, it's wise to check out the experience level of the article creator. If they have been active on the project for many years, they probably are in the process of creating and referencing an article. Draftifying works best when you are moving articles mistakenly placed in main space by new editors who are less experienced. Experienced content creators often work directly in main space, bypassing Draft space and so their articles might seem unfinished if you come across them. But they generally know what they are doing. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:32, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Edward, thank you, and no worries.    — The Transhumanist   04:39, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Prods on islands

Hello Edward-Woodrow -- I've deprodded a series of prods from you on islands; my reading of WP:GEONATURAL "If a Wikipedia article cannot be developed using known sources, information on the feature can instead be included in a more general article on local geography. For example, a river island with no information available except name and location should probably be described in an article on the river." is that there is no problem with having the material covered in a subtopic article, with a redirect from the minor feature title. Regards, Espresso Addict (talk) 03:57, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

This makes sense, but the problem is where to merge to? Most of these islands are so insignificant, any detailled mention of them in a higher-level article would seem to give undue weight. Besides, detailled mentions are hard to find, given that the stubs under discussion are a) extremely short and b) unlikely to be expanded much.

Take Brazier Rock. I suppose it could be merged into Auckland Region#Geography, but that would seem weird and undue. We could add it to List of islands of New Zealand, I guess. Edward-Woodrow • talk 12:12, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Fix citation errors and bare URLs

Hi! It's pretty close to the target date, but I've fixed enough bare URLs per the Reward Board request. – 02:03, 14 October 2023 (UTC) Reidgreg (talk · contribs)

WP:AWB

I'm surprised you are not a user of this. It's one of the top power tools on Wikipedia.    — The Transhumanist   05:49, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Honestly, I've had a few too many experiences where I mess up with a semi-automated tool with mildly disasterous consequences. I wouldn't feel comfortable using something like AWB (yet, at least) Edward-Woodrow • talk 12:55, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Understood. With your reservations in mind, you might be interested to know that while most users apply AWB to make edits for them, AWB has some powerful non-invasive features that are useful without having it edit anything:

1. List maker - make lists from a wide range of Wikipedia's page types, including special pages
2. List compare - applies set theory to 2 lists, so that you can get the items on just one list or the other, the items that appear on both lists, or all the items on both lists without duplicates
3. List alphabetizer - all lists that it makes for you are alphabetized, unless you change the settings.
4. Database scanner - my favorite feature. Allows regex searches of the entirety of site without choking. Very useful, when you want to find every single occurrence of a phrase, or absolutely everything on a particular topic. The remaining items below require registration to be activated...
5. The entire app is a very sophisticated search engine, with much greater control over output than the search engine on Wikipedia. It accepts as many search queries as you want at the same time, applied in a single search, including what to exclude, so you can filter searches down as much as you need to. You can use it to find every page that meets your criteria and show them to you one at a time. It'll automatically skip those that don't match.
6. The ability to do dry runs. You can see how a job will be implemented, without saving anything, by using the "Skip" button for each page.
7. The app includes a diff display for viewing changes, and an editor window to see what the article's modified source looks like. So you can inspect the changes from a job without saving anything.
8. Auto page loader for manual editing - if you have a list of pages you want to edit, you can have this program load pages without it making any changes to them, making them available one-at-a-time for you to edit personally. When you are done editing one page, it automatically loads the next page for you.

The first four features listed above, and some others not on this list, can be used without registering. That's right, you can explore the tool without signing up. This is its offline mode, which has zero chance of changing anything. I highly recommend that you download it and take a look.

The tool itself is fascinating, and is worth exploring even if you don't edit any pages with it.

You might consider applying for approval now, so that you have all the non-invasive features available, and so that you are already cleared if and when you decide to make the leap and have it edit for you.

I hope you find this post interesting if not useful. ;)

Sincerely,    — The Transhumanist   22:14, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Well, I have installed WP:JWB, which has similarities. Thanks for the info. Edward-Woodrow • talk 12:32, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

JWB is nice, because it is platform independent, and can therefore work on Linux systems and in just about any browser. However, for Windows users, AWB is by far the most powerful of the two, with many tools that JWB lacks. For these reasons, I use both!    — The Transhumanist   12:59, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

WP:SNAP

This is a browser add-on (for firefox, chrome) that I use a lot. Very useful for handling lots of Wikipedia pages. I thought you might like to know about it.    — The Transhumanist   05:54, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 October 14#INTDABLINK of redirects from incomplete disambiguation

I'm a bit perplexed by your close of Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2023 October 14#INTDABLINK of redirects from incomplete disambiguation. For one, there was an outstanding delete !vote besides the nominator, so I don't see this as a WP:SNOW situation. Narky Blert's speedy keep was for the evaluation of incoming links, which was subsequently completed. I do agree with Bkonrad that But on the other hand, what is there to evaluate? and agree that this would be an all or nothing delete/keep outcome. Breaking up into smaller chunks would draw that out too long. I would like to lodge a delete !vote, but I was never given that opportunity due to the early closure. Finally, the rationale for your closure is flawed. With tools like WP:AWB and WP:DBATCH (if closure is delete), it is actually very simple to implement a mass closure like this. I strongly urge you to back out of your closure and leave it open for further discussion. Thanks, -- Tavix ^(talk) 18:43, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

@Tavix I'm sorry, but I have to very strongly disagree here. There are far too many redirects here to reasonably evaluate in one go and this reopening is just wasting everybody's time. I'm only sorry that I didn't see your message here before Edward reopened the discussion. If the close had been "keep" on the merits that would be a different matter, but this was a procedural keep. Thryduulf (talk) 00:12, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Hold on, I didn't reopen the discussion, NmWTfs85lXusaybq did, saying on their talk page, the early close is controversial. I split the nomination into groups and reopened the discussion. And don't close it again without further consensus. Edward-Woodrow • talk 00:14, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

On the contrary, splitting this up into several discussions is what will waste everyone's time. This is the type of redirect where one will 'keep all' or 'delete all', I do not see a middle ground. If you want to make an argument for a middle ground, I'm interested in hearing it (although at the RfD is probably the better venue for that). -- Tavix ^(talk) 00:18, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Indeed. Could we move this discussion to either RfD or WT:RFD, as opposed to my talk page? Edward-Woodrow • talk 00:28, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Creating categories

Hi, I pinged you about not adding multiple parent categories at Category:Attacks in France in the 1990s. On closer inspection, I see that you did create the page with two parent categories, but Category:Attacks in Europe in the 1990s did not exist, so Bearcat removed that one. It would have been better if either of you had shortened it to e.g. Category:Attacks in the 1990s which did exist. Anyway, I've created and populated that missing parent now, and added a third parent. – Fayenatic London 21:44, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. Edward-Woodrow • talk 23:16, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Category:Austerlitz family

Hello, Edward-Woodrow,

Categories can't be deleted through CSD until they have been emptied so I have removed the CSD tag from this one. If you are going to close CFD discussions, you need to handle the articles/pags in the category being discussed or set it up so that User:JJMC89 bot III handles the recategorization of articles. If you have questions about this, I recommend you ask Marcocapelle who is very experienced in CFDs and emptying categories that are designated to be deleted. CFDs can be very complicated and even a lot of administrators avoid closing them so please make sure all of the "Ts" are crossed and "Is" are dotted. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:42, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. Edward-Woodrow • talk 12:44, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

@Liz: I've emptied the category; should I tag it with {{db-xfd}} again, or do something else? Edward-Woodrow • talk 12:46, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Really, Marcocapelle is the expert here and can help you out with the details. But typically, after categories have been emptied (either by requesting that JJMC89 bot III handle this duty or the closer handling it) , I believe they are tagged CSD G6 with a link to the CFD discussion. But Marco would know, he seems to have the system down flawlessly and has always been helpful when I've asked him questions about CFD. Right now, I deleted this category as it showed up on the the Empty Categories list. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:13, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Alright, thanks. Edward-Woodrow • talk 13:15, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

@Marcocapelle:? Edward-Woodrow • talk 14:37, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

• Like Liz said, after emptying the category you should tag the category page with e.g. {{db-xfd|votepage=Log/2023_October_12}} if October 12 is the CfD page where the discussion can be found. Alternatively, you do not need to empty the category but you can simply list it at Wikipedia_talk:Categories_for_discussion/Working under NAC requests. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:58, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

  Right-ho, thanks. Edward-Woodrow • talk 15:01, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

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Thanks for the offer, but no thanks. Edward-Woodrow • talk 22:28, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

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Thank you! Edward-Woodrow • talk 12:12, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Involved relists

You are way too involved in Emoji redirects to be making an administrative action regarding them. Please revert your relists. -- Tavix ^(talk) 20:31, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

 Done, but in both cases, there was no change since the previous relist, so I don't particularly see the problem. It's as much of an administrative action as shuffling a few papers around. Edward-Woodrow • talk 20:34, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

You invoked WP:INVOLVED, which is specifically regarding administrative actions, which is why I used that language. If there is no change since a previous relist, that is a good hint that it is time for closure, so leave it for someone who is uninvolved to do that. -- Tavix ^(talk) 20:37, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

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Kakadu Action Group review advice pls

thanks Edward-Woodrow

Appreciate your efforts A resubmission has been done addressing your points, I hope Virgobeach. PS well done on the October award Virgobeach (talk) 01:19, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello Edward-Woodrow

I tried what you said - rejected again!

Perhaps I found a hard second reviewer but how do I progress this from here after SunDawn's comments.

There seem plenty of many more trivial pages on wiki (I like to hit the random page button a few time every day...)

Thanks for your advice

Virgobeach Virgobeach (talk) 12:28, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

NB: am not asking you to RE-review - only further advice on how to progress :) Virgobeach (talk) 12:35, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

Well Ca, the last reviewer said that There is not much to say about the group from the provided sources. They also commented that I don't see why this can't be merged to Kakadu National Park instead and maybe you can create a more general spin-off article about just dispute between the mining lobby and enviromentalists in Kakadu National Park, which seems notable to me. I'd follow their advice, given the topic does not appear to be notable. Any other suggestions, Ca? Edward-Woodrow (talk) 13:10, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Here is a page that appeared in my homepage as a suggestion i edit it using my new skills. Champy's Famous Fried Chicken. I am not suggesting we should delete it, but it seems much less well referenced and very highly promotional compared with Draft:Kakadu Action Group

You further insights are welcomed

Virgobeach (talk) 01:30, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

Well, you did manage to find an article already tagged with those problems. Not everything goes through AfC, and, to but it bluntly, there are a lot of crappy articles out there. See WP:OTHERSTUFF. Edward-Woodrow (talk) 13:43, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

OK, enjoy your break when you Do take it! Virgobeach (talk) 04:29, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

A message from JaydenBDarby

Hello, this is Jayden B Darby. I am a very new editor, lol. Just wanted to let you know someone has already downsized our beloved village pump and moved it down the page. JaydenBDarby (talk) 03:45, 8 November 2023 (UTC) JaydenBDarby (talk) 03:45, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Request on 14:00:37, 8 November 2023 for assistance on AfC submission by 165.156.39.23

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Thank you for your review of the draft, Digital Imaging and Communication for Nondestructive Evaluation. The reason for not accepting the article was lack of reliable sources. In order to correct the complaint, can you be more specific on which source you believe to not be reliable, or which snippet of text is not adequately cited? Thank you.

165.156.39.23 (talk) 14:00, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

It's a bit more than a "snippet". I'm looking at the entire "Inheritance of DICONDE Standards" section, besides parts of "DICONDE and DICOM" and "Connectathons". Also, if you could put the references after punctuation, that would be great (like this. not like this.) See MOS:CITEPUNCT. Edward-Woodrow (talk) 20:49, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

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Socks

Hi - regarding this series of edits. First, the talk page of a blocked sock whp has no business editing here is not a great place to have a discussion about the merits or otherwise of rolling back their edits. If you are going to harangue hard-working administrators about clean up they've done, you should do it on their own talk pages.

Second, admins who work SPI, and who come across the sock of an account that is known to have had multiple issues in the past with a particular type of editing, are faced with a choice. Do we carefully review every one of their contributions (which in this case number in the thousands), weighing whether or not to revert? That would as always be the ideal option, but it would take hours of time, which would obviously result in other cases not being attended to. (Have you looked at the backlog at SPI recently?) The choice that many of us take, for reasons of expediency as well as to discourage continued socking, is to simply revert them all. They should not have been editing, those categorisations should not have been made - we put things back the way they were before they created their sock. This is discussed in more detail at WP:BANREVERT. Note the language in the first paragraph there: changes that are obviously helpful... ...can be allowed to stand, not should be allowed to stand. When in doubt (and they are most certainly in doubt for anything the user in question has done), they should be reverted.

Now, if you want to spend the time it would take to review their contributions fully, and are willing to stand by them yourself as improvements to the project, you are welcome to reinstate any of them that you see fit. That would take exactly the same amount of time as the checks that you seem to think Bbb23 should have carried out. I for one believe that that would be a better use of your time than insulting people with insulting, snide, sarcastic messages. Girth Summit _(blether) 08:13, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

To editors Girth Summit and Bbb23: Apparantly, I never responded to this at the time. So, coming very late indeed: sorry about this foolish comment of mine. Cremastra (u — c) 16:40, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Cremastra: no worries. You actually struck through the comment in this diff, which I took as an apology of sorts at the time, so I considered this matter closed. Best wishes, Girth Summit _(blether) 16:49, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

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That edit you undid as "unexplained" is actually easily explanable: inter-sectarian harassment. Unfortunately, the IPv6 pool is large and highly dynamic. I'm going to semi-protect the page for a month, but it surely won't stop [religion or sect 1] from trying to use WP to heap insults on [religion or sect 2]. DMacks (talk) 23:59, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Clarify one thing

@Edward-Woodrow:, I am here to clarify on one thing. I am not the creator of the article Kim Myung-soo (admiral). It was originally created by User:Sqm00701. I dun understand how i suddenly became the creator. I tend to edit and create articles of major crimes (mostly singaporean) and k-pop stuff. might wanna need help to clear my name NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 15:50, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

@NelsonLee20042020: Sorry if you got a notification for the BLPPROD; because of your draftification, you're marked as the technical creator of the page (because Sqm00701 rewrote the article after you moved it), so Twinkle notified you. Edward-Woodrow (talk) 15:54, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Well for now, i have not received any notification but I am shocked to see my XTools listing the article inside my list of articles created, which really gave me a nasty fright, because I want to clear this misunderstanding the system have on me. But yeah thanks for the clarification. --NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 15:57, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

And by the way, @Edward-Woodrow:, how will i remove this from the list and let the system know i am not the creator? This is certainly a lesson needed to be learnt for Sqm00701 but it unnecessarily and for no reason left an undesirable mark on my record so far NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 15:59, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

I don't think you can, but it's not like its a blemish on your record or something. If someone is really looking your contribs that closely, then they'll notice you didn't write the article, and no-one scrutinizes other people's XTools like that. Besides, if the article is deleted, I think it will be removed. Edward-Woodrow (talk) 16:01, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Understand. I have checked further and I found out his content in the article space and draftspace are technically the same, meaning he had copy paste into the page before he made any major changes needed to the article. So I had restored the redirect to the draft version and already informed him to edit it before he can move it from draftspace NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 16:07, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification by the way. But hope you would not take offence at me taking matters in my hand. I am trying to do what I believe to be in good faith for the guy; he does have a sort of passion in making content in wikipedia though, he just require some working on. NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 16:09, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

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Hi Edward :) I'm looking for people to interview here. Feel free to pass if you're not interested. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 10:10, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

 Done. Thanks for the offer, Clovermoss. :) Edward-Woodrow (talk) 13:45, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

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A pinch of salt

Hello, Edward. I saw your message to me suggesting salting some titles repeatedly created by a sockpuppeteer. However, my experience is that it is actually unhelpful to salt titles in this situation. Since the person in question has created several pages several times, coming back with new sockpuppets after each one is blocked, they are almost certainly going to come back and do the same again, and the only effect of salting would be to force them to find new titles for the pages. We can easily watchlist the old titles, but we can't watchlist every conceivable new title they may possibly think up, so salting stands to make it harder to catch them next time. I have seen that happen quite often over the years: a persistent sockpuppeteer has been repeatedly caught fairly soon, until some administrator decides to salt titles, and then they create sockpuppets which manage to stay undetected for long periods. Also, you can't put the genie back in the bottle: once they realise that making up new titles each time helps them to evade scrutiny, they carry on doing that even if no more salting takes place, so just salting even one title can be very counterproductive. JBW (talk) 12:07, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

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Boxing at the 2023 Pacific Games - Why are you deleting my work? I gave you a citations! Zboris (talk) 03:09, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Maybe there's a display issue. I don't see any citations appearing in this revision. Cremastra (talk) 21:06, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

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Noticed you changed your username from Edward-Woodrow. May I ask why? Just curious. No hate intended.

Anyways, have a good day, Cremastra :) QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 08:32, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

No worries. I changed it because "Edward-Woodrow" wasn't obviously a pseudonym, so I wanted to head off any confusion. Cremastra (talk) 21:04, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

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I would save humorous nominations like those for a more appropriate time like April Fool's. The Night Watch (talk) 18:20, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

You're probably right, but if humour is predictable and comes at the "correct" time then it isn't humour. A little fun goes a long way. Cremastra (talk) 18:26, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

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I just deleted it before noticing this discussion. This sort of thing is just not on. Graham87 (talk) 02:58, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

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I think that for the duration of the conflict, the map should be displayed in the infobox, as it rapidly changes and informs the readers of the ongoing situation. However, once the conflict is over, predictably with Israel in full control of Gaza, I think it will be more appropriate to add a gallery of images to the infobox. Ecrusized (talk) 09:32, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

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Few participation for issue Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#Questionable reference in Johor Bahru

Hello. I opened the issue above but only got 1 response. I am seeking more outside opinion but it seemed like canvassing. How to get more participation on that issue, or maybe you could also help to check on the questionable reference? Slothades (talk) 01:53, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

Source reliability is not my specialty, so I'd say follow the advice given by buidhe and Novem Linguae. If you want participation from editors interested in the topic, I'd suggest adding a {{Wikiproject please see}} message WT:MALAYSIA and maybe WT:ECONOMICS, like Novem Linguae mentioned. Cheers, 🎄Cremastra 🎄 (talk) 15:00, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

TQ Cremasta. Slothades (talk) 01:43, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

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Reopening Talk:City#RfC Choices for lead image

Since RfCs are generally supposed to run for 30 days, there was low participation, and other editors may want to opine on this issue (there's a big discussion on the use of image collages in year articles right now), would you consider reopening and relisting the discussion? Thanks, voorts (talk/contributions) 01:06, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Banded palm civet

The article Banded palm civet you nominated as a good article has failed ; see Talk:Banded palm civet for reasons why the nomination failed. If or when these points have been taken care of, you may apply for a new nomination of the article. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of 20 upper -- 20 upper (talk) 12:23, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Are you reading what I wrote in the GA nom? 20 upper (talk) 14:15, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Oops, my bad. 🌺 Cremastra (talk) 14:15, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Don't edit the archived nomination. I will revert your edits. 20 upper (talk) 14:22, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Does it matter? It's a useful checklist for me. See the history of the last review. 🌺 Cremastra (talk) 14:25, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

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Thank you! 🌺 Cremastra (talk) 12:36, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

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Hertz (person) redirect

Hi, I see that you just closed the discussion on the request for Hertz (person) at AFC/RC. I was in the process of nominating the redirect for RfD, as I am not convinced is the PTOPIC. Just wanted to let you know. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 21:18, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. 🌺 Cremastra (talk) 21:44, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Question

Moved from User talk:Cremastra/sandbox

Hey @Cremastra. I wish you well on your perm request (though it would be frowned upon for me to go post '''Support'''). There is one part that I wanted to ask about (both now and during the previous request). To my understanding, the vast majority of "rename" closures at CfD are implemented by the Bot via WT:CFD/W (for non-admins) or WP:CFD/W (for admins). Is that your understanding as well? I think the most common CfD closer is Qwerfjkl, and they manually moved only 2 categories in 2023 (log). Are you looking to work on WP:CFD/W/M (manual implementation)? (I'm asking on this page because this sort of thing seems more pointed on a user talk page. You can delete this or move it elsewhere.) SilverLocust 💬 01:22, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi SilverLocust. I'm not 100% certain about how CfD works yet (hence I hope to help there sometime in the future), but I would probably help at WT:CFD/W/M. In the past, when closing CfD's as merge, I did it myself using Cat-a-lot and no-one complained, but I plan to familiarize myself further with how CfD works. Thanks, 🌺 Cremastra (talk) 13:50, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

I recently noticed a message from Pppery to another user that you may find helpful on two points: "CfD desparately needs more closers (for the last few weeks one person has closed almost all discussions). In practice the easiest way to do non-admin closures properly is User:Qwerfjkl/scripts/CFDlister." (That script wasn't previously mentioned at WP:CFD/AI (the administrator closing instructions).) SilverLocust 💬 18:29, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

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Please take a moment to review Wikipedia:Page mover for more information on this user right, especially the criteria for moving pages without leaving a redirect. Please remember to follow post-move cleanup procedures and make link corrections where necessary, including broken double-redirects when suppressredirect is used. This can be done using Special:WhatLinksHere. It is also very important that no one else be allowed to access your account, so you should consider taking a few moments to secure your password. As with all user rights, be aware that if abused, or used in controversial ways without consensus, your page mover status can be revoked.

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Thank-you. 🌺 Cremastra (talk) 16:11, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

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Sloppy editing at Anguinae

I've just had to clean up some sloppy editing you made at Anguinae a few days ago, which shows a lack of care. Regarding the 48-49 number, which you took as "citation needed", the source clearly stated The divergence between the Gerrhonotinae in North America and Anguinae in Europe is suspected to have occurred after a dispersal across the Thulean land bridge and before 48.6 million years when Anguinae fossils begin appearing at multiple sites in Europe. You also added "They are believed not to be monophyletic", when the source actually said According to Sullivan (1987), the subfamily Anguinae is not monophyletic, which is not the same at all, and that study was published nearly 40 years ago. According to the recent 2019 paper "Phylogenetic relationships and divergence dating in the Glass Lizards (Anguinae)" which was quoted for the evolution section: Within the Anguidae, the subfamily Anguinae consist of a monophyletic assemblage of elongated legless grass-swimming ecomorphs, so your claim that "They are believed not to be monophyletic" is hardly well supported enough to put in wikivoice is it? When writing about anything on Wikipedia, please put in the effort to actually properly assess recent scientific literature. Thanks. Hemiauchenia (talk) 09:44, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, and thanks. 🌺 Cremastra (talk) 14:19, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Welcome to the backlog drive!

Welcome to WP:FEB24! I'm glad that you are here. One person cannot address the backlog, but all of us together might. Since you have edited lots of articles about biology and plants, how about starting out with these articles in Category:Articles lacking sources from December 2023:

• Cercospora capsici
• Ramularia cyclaminicola
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• Urophlyctis leproides
• Pratylenchus musicola

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Thanks for the list, CactiStaccingCrane! 🌺 Cremastra (talk) 17:39, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

WP:THREATEN

Considering your recent reply on my talk page (which has since been reverted), I believe that I should remind you about this and recommend you should read WP:THREATEN DementiaGaming (talk) 02:53, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

@DementiaGaming: Reverted... by myself because I decided I didn't want any further part in this discussion. I did not intend to threaten you with that comment, and if it was interpreted as hostile then I apologize. Liz isn't threatening you either. If she had written if you do that again I will block you, that would likely be a threat. She is merely saying, as a statement of opinion, that a block may be called for. This is what I intended to say in my comment. I wrote The comment about the block is not a threat. It is a statement of fact. I'm not threatening to block you (I'm not an administrator and I stay clear of ANI when I can). As Liz (talk · contribs) said on their talk page, it's a warning, not a threat.

Again, I apologize if I have come across as hostile. 🌺 Cremastra (talk) 20:52, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

January music

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Thank you for improving articles in January! I remember Ewa Podleś on the Main page, and had - believe it or not - two musical DYK today. Shalom chaverim. On vacation, with something for your sweet tooth -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:17, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Gerda. :) 🌺 Cremastra (talk) 22:21, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

I fixed the year (similar location but no sweets). Today: the performance of Anna Nekhames --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:26, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Today a friend's birthday, with related music and a few new vacation pics --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:54, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

New message to Cremastra

Psst, your old username is still on the WikiProject China participants list. It would seem relatively trivial to do a site search and swap out any mentions if you're so inclined—I just figured I'd make sure you're aware. Cheers! Remsense诉 09:59, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, but I think it's fine. That page redirects here, and I have a large disclaimer on my userpage, so it shouldn't case any confusion. Happy editing, 🌺 Cremastra (talk) 13:38, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

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Fix a random page lacking sources

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A message from AodhanORiordain

My name Is Aodhán Ó Ríordáin. I am the subject of the page. I did not create it. I was divorced on May 17th 2023 in the High Court in Dublin. There was no reporting of the divorce. My ex-wife is anxious that the page reflect her new martial status. I am deeply frustrated that I cannot correct this page which has inaccurate comments about my private life. AodhanORiordain (talk) 19:14, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

@AodhanORiordain: I understand your concerns. However, you need to understand that if anyone could claim they are person X and then edit personal details about person X's article, Wikipedia would be a libellous disaster. Under our conflict-of-interest policies, you shouldn't be editing articles about yourself. read this page for more information: "The information in your article about me is wrong. How can I get it fixed?" I hope this helps. If you have any more questions, you can ask me here or go to the Teahouse, a friendly help forum for new users. Cheers, 🌺 Cremastra (talk) 19:16, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

That's not good enough. I am a public representative and a member of the Irish Parliament. It is your responsibility to have accurate information on your page. I can provide any proof you require. It is your responsibility to resolve this situation immediately. AodhanORiordain (talk) 19:19, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

@AodhanORiordain: A reliable source would be nice. This sort of thing is not my specialty, so I would suggest asking your questions at the Teahouse where more knowledgeable users can help you. You can also submit an edit request to have information in the article changed. However, as I said, Wikipedia strongly discourages editing with a conflict of interest. 🌺 Cremastra (talk) 19:41, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

If and when there is coverage of the divorce in reliable sources, it will likely be added to the article. 🌺 Cremastra (talk) 19:43, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

(by talk reader) @AodhanORiordain: Actually, Cremastra has no responsibility in this matter nor does any other Wikipedian. Please appreciate that volunteer editors are less likely to aid those in poor deportment. Despite your frustration, issuing threats to our volunteers is going make matters worse for you. Chris Troutman (talk) 19:44, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

What legal threats? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:33, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

@AodhanORiordain: What Cremastra told you is correct, and is our standard advice. If you follow it, your identity can be confirmed and your desire to update the article with this new information can be met, as as happened in similar cases for thousands of other people. Some even more important than you. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:33, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Reply

Just wanted to reply no worries to your comment here, since that discussion can no longer be commented in. KhndzorUtogh (talk) 00:30, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. Happy editing, 🌺 Cremastra (talk) 00:31, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

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Thanks, Hey man im josh. 🌺 Cremastra (talk) 22:53, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

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more music and flowers on Rossini's rare birthday --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:14, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

How'd you find the Super Secret Guestbook?

Just curious if it's too easy. The Secret Guestbook is hidden, but this one should be really hidden. Panini! • 🥪 04:11, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

I was just curious to see if there was a "sandbox7", following the natural progression. It's a bit too easy, possibly, but if there was no clue whatsoever it would be diabolically hard to find. 🌺 Cremastra (talk) 13:21, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

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Queen Anne RM

Hi, thanks for closing the RM. Could you explain your rationale, please? Rosbif73 (talk) 20:21, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

@Rosbif73: Sure. Per WP:NCROY, we should disambiguate when the title is ambiguous; and "oppose" !voters have, in my view, adequately proven that the title is somewhat ambiguous, not only with other monarchs named Anne, (besides Queens-consorts) but also with Queen Anne Architecture (which can easily be referred to as "Queen Anne": “Is that house Edwardian?” “Of course not, it's Queen Anne.”). Thus, I think there is a rough consensus against the move. (Of course, if you disagree with me, there are steps you can take.) 🌺 Cremastra (talk) 20:33, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Per NCROY, we should disambiguate only for monarchs whose common name is ambiguous or not the primary meaning (my emphasis). Only two opposers doubted that Anne is the primary topic, and evidence in favour of primacy was provided. You don't address that aspect in your closing rationale. (And yes, I'm aware of MR, but let's not go there just yet). Rosbif73 (talk) 21:07, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

That guideline uses or, not and. The title is ambiguous, and it's unclear what the PTOPIC for the title "Queen Anne" should be. 🌺 Cremastra (talk) 23:32, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

In the discussion, both sides acknowledge ambiguity. The RfC is primarily about whether Queen of Great Britain is the primary topic for the article title Queen Anne. The close does not address this at all. It does not demonstrate a clear understanding of the discussion and of the WP:P&G that is applicable. There is also the spirit and intent of this RfC that has been referred to. In the response immediately above, you would state: it's unclear what the PTOPIC for the title "Queen Anne" should be. There is significant discussion regarding this and substantial evidence presented. With particular reference to evidence (rather than subjective assertions), can you please explain how you have concluded the PTOPIC is unclear. Cinderella157 (talk) 11:13, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, referring to the PTOPIC was a mistake. I just meant that the title is ambiguous and disambiguation was needed.

@Cinderella157 and Rosbif73: I'm willing to withdraw my closure if two editors take issue with it. 🌺 Cremastra (talk) 13:44, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

That may well be an appropriate course. Cinderella157 (talk) 13:54, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

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Closing comments

I encourage you to check noms’ contrib volume before accusing them of wasting their time :)

Fyi, I simply was curious to know if anyone had legitimately earned the top couple ranks so I checked transclusions.

In seriousness…at a venue like MfD no one is likely to take offense at remarks like that…but in a CT area it could be different. Best to spread positive vibes.

(In this case blanking had not occurred to me as a solution. We all overlook such brilliant solutions sometimes lol)

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Thank you for improving article quality in March! - I uploaded Madeira vacation pics (from back home, at least the first day) and remember Aribert Reimann. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:22, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Some days later, a calf in the mist and chocolate cake, and a story of collaboration --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:17, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

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Thanks for signing up for EB1911 verification. I see your edit to Arthur Nikisch; it would be more complete if you could add the volume and page parameters (in this case volume 19, page 690). Long ago there was consensus, which I can no longer find, that this would help verification even if there is a wikisource version now.

I'd like to draw your attention to the standard guidelines at the top of the project's detailed list pages, for example Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/1911 verification/A5 (which has the Nikisch link). They are actually more up to date than the more generic Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/1911 verification.

Thanks again. David Brooks (talk) 00:03, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the introduction, DavidBrooks. (I've added the parameters to the citation at Arthur Nikisch). 🌺 Cremastra (talk) 00:11, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

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Since the articles you create will no longer be systematically reviewed by other editors, it is important that you maintain the high standard you have achieved so far in all your future creations. Please also try to remember to add relevant WikiProject templates, stub tags, categories, and incoming links to them, if you aren't already in the habit; user scripts such as Rater and StubSorter can help with this. As you have already shown that you have a strong grasp of Wikipedia's core content policies, you might also consider volunteering to become a new page patroller yourself, helping to uphold the project's standards and encourage other good faith article writers.

Feel free to leave me a message if you have any questions. Happy editing! – Joe (talk) 09:15, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Nomination of Vladyslav Yakubovskyi for deletion

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April thanks

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Thank you for improving article quality in April! -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:55, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Gerda. Good to see pear trees in bloom. Cremastra (talk) 14:12, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

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Reopening RfA

I'm not going to get into an edit war, because obviously the early close is no longer uncontroversial, but I think this was very poorly judged. Early closes citing WP:NOTNOW or WP:SNOW have been a routine part of RfA for as long as it has existed. You only have to look through the RfA archives to see that such closes are common, do not require the candidate to withdraw first, and do not require a 'crat (in fact, they rarely involve one). They are done as a favour to the candidate, to spare them going through a vote that has no chance of succeeding. I strongly encourage you to consider self-reverting, quickly. – Joe (talk) 13:20, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Fully agree with Joe. Reopening this is not helpful for either the candidate or the community. —Kusma (talk) 13:35, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

@Kusma @Joe Roe  Done. I've reverted my revision of the page so that it removes Toadette's self-nom. Feel free to let me know if you have any questions. Thanks. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 17:49, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

NoobThreePointOh, it does not display on "recently closed RfAs". — ♠ Ixtal ^{( T / C )} ⁂ Non nobis solum. ♠ 17:56, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

That's because they didn't actually close it, they reverted their removal of an open RFA. Primefac (talk) 18:02, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

That was my fault. I don't know why, but I really thought it was closed. To be honest though, I have been scrolling through the general comments, and a lot of people have been saying that it is a NOTNOW. I don't know. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 18:05, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

I'm also a little concerned about making a controversial revert just before going offline. Valereee (talk) 18:58, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

@Joe Roe, Kusma, NoobThreePointOh, Ixtal, Primefac, Valereee, and Firefangledfeathers: I fully apologize, the re-open was very much ill-considered. If you think self-reverting is the best thing for the situation, then I'm happy to oblige. It seems I've managed to turn an uncontroversial close into a controversial one, and I'm sorry for that. Cremastra (talk) 19:50, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Speaking only as one editor, that's what I'd like to see if only out of kindness for the candidate. Valereee (talk) 19:55, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Me too; I think a self-revert would be easier/lower-drama than anyone else doing it. Levivich (talk) 20:02, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

 Done. Thanks. Cremastra (talk) 20:04, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! I very much appreciate your responsiveness to these concerns. Things are always clearer in hindsight than in the moment, so for the record, I don't think you owe any apologies, and thanks again for self-reverting. Levivich (talk) 20:05, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Reminder to vote now to select members of the first U4C

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