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My framegrabs for "He Loves to Fly and He D'oh's" show stores in Springfield Mall named: Restoration Software, Designer S'mores, Jewelry, Crazy E.T.'s Phone Home, The Shoe-Inn, Box Barn, Ah, Fudge!, Cost-Mo

Yours truly, Sup3rior (talk • 02:03, 25 September 2007 (UTC).

Oh! Sorry, I don't remember/can't find that picture. Real sorry! =\

Yours truly, Sup3rior (talk • 02:03, 25 September 2007 (UTC).

No idea. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 03:09, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Lisa

I'm...not really sure, to be honest with you. I guess I've been editing too long. Time to step away from the computer for a little while. :) Cheers, faithless (^speak) 03:24, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Contraction removals

I see you've been on a contraction removal campaign. I don't know if you're using some kind of automated feature of AWB or if you're doing it manually, but in either case please try to be careful about removing contractions that belong -- such as in Bart vs. Australia, where you turned "Don't tread on me" into "Do not tread on me". I would say that as a general rule you should avoid removing contractions from links and quotes, since such an action is likely to either break links or cause quotes to become inaccurate. Thanks.

Equazcion • argue/improves • 16:50, 09/29/2007

Thank you for letting me know. I am using AWB for the most part, and don't purposely remove them from quotes or links...but I'm not perfect, and may improperly change a few. I will be more careful in the future to carefully look at all the changes! Ctjf83 21:44, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

User:AmiDaniel/VP/Approval

I'm not sure if you noticed but you've already been approved -- you're listed both as "awaiting approval" and as "recently approved", so you might want to remove yourself from the first list. Just a heads-up.

Equazcion • argue/improves • 18:01, 10/3/2007

Archiving

It's traditional to not delete talk page comments but rather to archive them. I've taken the liberty of restoring the comments you removed from your talk page to User talk:Ctjf83/Archive 1. If you decide to keep the archive, I can also put an archive box at the top of your talk page similar to the one I have, so that you and others can see archived comments. You're also free to blank the archive page or have it deleted if you like, as I don't think it's an actual policy that user talk pages must be archived. Just figured I'd get you started in case you didn't know how to make archives.

Equazcion • argue/improves • 03:22, 10/4/2007

Bettendorf

Thanks for checking with me. I reverted your changes, not because they're vandalism, but because they created an odd layout (huge whitespace) and put an unnecessary break in the text. A big thing is that Wikipedia displays differently on different sizes of monitors; while the previous layout looks bad on your monitor, your layout looks bad on mine. Do you want a third opinion to help with this? Nyttend 05:22, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I did look at the page to see. Nyttend 11:49, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I did see the page, both on your version and on mine. On my screen, "my version" is fine — that's why I restored the page to the way that it had been. Nyttend 03:11, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Welcome to WikiProject LGBT studies!

Yes, that was absolutely correct :) And if you enjoy that sort of thing, you might want to take a look at Wikipedia:List of gay, lesbian or bisexual people/To be sorted - daunting, but there are a couple of us that try to source a few a day... And many hands make light work :) And feel free to say "Hi" on the project talk page! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 06:45, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

First, let me warn you that the last editor I told all this to ran away screaming and hasn't been seen on Wikipedia since! Well, that's an exaggeration. But I don't think they've attempted anything on the list. Anyway, I left them a rather detailed set of instructions at User talk:Lychosis#List Instructions. As you read it over, will you let me know if it's clear? I'd like to make that more publicly available, but don't want to if it's muddy. Thanks! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 16:38, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Signature

Go to 'my preferences' and where it says Signature you put in a code. For instance, mine is [[User:Faithlessthewonderboy|<span style="color:blue">'''faithless'''</span>]] [[User talk:Faithlessthewonderboy|<small><span style="color:black">(^'''speak''')</span></small>]] :) faithless (^speak) 00:02, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Well what do you want it to say, what color, etc? faithless (^speak) 00:06, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Try this: [[User:Ctjf83|<span style="color:red">'''C'''</span><span style="color:orange">'''t'''</span><span style="color:yellow">'''j'''</span><span style="color:green">'''f'''</span><span style="color:blue">'''8'''</span><span style="color:purple">'''3'''</span>]] faithless (^speak) 00:16, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Hmm...try [[User:Ctjf83|<span style="color:red">'''C'''<span style="color:orange">'''t'''<span style="color:yellow">'''j'''<span style="color:green">'''f'''<span style="color:blue">'''8'''<span style="color:purple">'''3'''</span>]] faithless (^speak) 00:26, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

That's weird, it should look like this: Ctjf83. Did you check the box? Oh, and it's okay, I don't mind. :) faithless (^speak) 00:31, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

This is a test. Try [[User:Ctjf83|'''<font color="#ff0000">C<font color="#ff6600">t<font color="#ffff00">j<font color="#00ff00">f<font color="#0000ff">8<font color="#9900ff">3</font>''']] and don't check the box. [[User:Ctjf83|'''<font color="#ff0000">C<font color="#ff6600">t<font color="#ffff00">j<font color="#00ff00">f<font color="#0000ff">8<font color="#9900ff">3</font>''']] 00:56, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Damn. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Faithlessthewonderboy (talk • contribs) 00:56, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Another test: Try [[User:Ctjf83|'''<font color="#ff0000">C</font><font color="#ff6600">t</font><font color="#ffff00">j</font><font color="#00ff00">f</font><font color="#0000ff">8</font><font color="#9900ff">3</font>''']] and check the box. Ctjf83 01:00, 26 September 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Faithlessthewonderboy (talk • contribs)

You're welcome. If you want to tweak the colors at all, you might find this site useful. :) faithless (^speak) 04:23, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Archiving

Unfortunately it doesn't work that way... I can set up automatic archiving, which would automatically archive discussions that have been inactive for a certain amount of time (anywhere from a day to a month or more, whatever time period we set). Let me know if you want that done. Otherwise, archiving needs to be done by cutting and pasting; You'd need to cut discussions from here and paste them into User talk:Ctjf83/Archive 1.

Equazcion • argue/improves • 01:54, 10/10/2007

I believe the only way to make it keep certain things on the page would be to delete the date/time stamps from all the comments you want kept.

Equazcion • argue/improves • 02:02, 10/10/2007

I've set up the auto-archiving already... want me to remove it?

Equazcion • argue/improves • 02:05, 10/10/2007

The index page is a kind of table of contents for your archives. It doesn't exist yet, that's why it's a red link. It'll get created for the first time automatically within the next 24 hours, and then get auto-updated every day. To see the actual archive page, click on "Archive 1" below the word "Index". I also just fixed it so that your big purple LGBT notice is kept (at least it should be kept -- let me know if it suddenly disappears on you and I'll fix it).

Equazcion • argue/improves • 02:18, 10/10/2007

Sorry, had to play with it a little to get it right. Does it look okay now?

Equazcion • argue/improves • 02:26, 10/10/2007

To change the archiving time, edit your talk page and look near the top, for a line that looks like this: |algo = old(3d). "3d" means "3 days". You can change this to "5d" to make it 5 days, or any other number of days. Note that if you change the setting, the number in the orange box that's displayed on the top of this page won't change -- to change the displayed number, find the text age=3 and change that to the new number of days. I just moved your LGBT box to your user page.

Equazcion • argue/improves • 02:36, 10/10/2007

No problem :)

Equazcion • argue/improves • 02:49, 10/10/2007

Seasons

Well it would be a gradual process. Converting the pages to an FL standard takes a while. But just switching the templates to the episode list template (with writers, directors etc.) wouldn't take as long. So it might be worth it to get some uniformity in the pages, and then slowly get each (of at least 1-10) up to FL standard. Gran² 20:14, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Oh yeah, sorry! Anyway, yes, the pages would be a lot better with episode names rather than production codes. Gran² 06:19, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

So we're linking the Production code to the episode page? Well I'll do couch gags, and you can do chalkboard if you like, as the should be pretty much the same length. Gran² 18:46, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Okay sounds fine. Gran² 18:54, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

I'll be done by the end of the day, as I have to go to school. It took longer than I thought because the couch gag list relys on the production codes, so I had them, and then put the episode titles in as well. But I'm half way through, and I'll have finished by tonight. Gran² 06:22, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Moe

One could argue that Homer's "D'OH!"s are essential to his character too, but there isn't a list of the number of times he's said d'oh on the Homer page. The entire section is made up of quotes, which are discouraged, especially when a section is that big. As well, it is fancruft. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 02:43, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Look, why don't you finally read WP:CRUFT and then maybe you will stop reverting me every single time I try to remove crufty content from a Simpsons page? -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 02:47, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

The prank calls are notable, but transcripts are not necessary. It also falls under list cruft. Just because one page is filled with unencyclopedic stuff, it doesn't mean that every page has to have it. Perhaps you should try joining the Simpsons Wiki. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 02:55, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

You know why I don't need permission? Because such sections are discouraged and there have already been MANY discussions just like this. There used to be a page for Bart's Prank Calls, but it's gone now, so I take that as a sign that the community believes it isn't necessary. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 03:00, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Scorpion, Ctjf83, and have removed cruft-like material fromt the section. THE DARK LORD TROMBONATOR 05:17, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Also, Ctjf83, to get in and answer while Scorpion is unavailable, an OR section is something unverifiable, a section deemed Original Research. You can read about it in more detail at WP:OR. THE DARK LORD TROMBONATOR 05:23, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

LGBT WikiProject Newsletter

Delivered on 17:31, 11 October 2007 (UTC).

Area code maps

I noticed some maps of area codes from you, do you have a map for all area codes, or just certain ones? Ctjf83 13:07, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Response please? Ctjf83 00:46, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Excuse the delay in not responding, I did see your first message but I got sidetracked by other issues. I have one for the whole country, which I haven't completely checked for accuracy. I've been busy with some other things. I have since discovered a (blank) map covering the U.S. and Canada (not just the U.S.) so I'm considering moving my map to that one as a base for the complete map. If you're interested I can let you have a copy subject to the understanding it might have errors or omissions. Paul Robinson (Rfc1394) 01:58, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I'm just mostly concerned with my area code map, and neighboring ones..specificly 563,319,309..and I guess every Iowa one would be good too 515, 712, and 641...or are u sayin u just have them all listed, and i would have to make my own map? Ctjf83 02:23, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

There is a map of Iowa now available, Image:Area code IA.svg, check out the page for Area code 712 for an example. Paul Robinson (Rfc1394) 03:45, 15 October 2007 (UTC) Update check out all of the area code pages for Iowa, they all now have maps and cross-index boxes (a cross-index box provides links to all nearby area codes). Paul Robinson (Rfc1394) 04:19, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
Second Update: There is now a general map for the whole state (see List of Iowa area codes as well as 5 maps each highlighting the particular area code. See: {{Area code IA}}

Simpsons Listcruft AFD

The discussion can be found here. When the page was first created, I had hoped that it would be a sourced analysis of how The Simpsons uses stereotypes during its travel shows, and perhaps evolve into somewhat decent article. Instead, it has become a rather useless list. I have considered nominating it for deletion again, but I think it would be a bad idea considering that there was an AFD a few months ago. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 20:14, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

so can anyone give their opinion (if it comes up) on what they think, or is it reserved for just admins to decide? Ctjf83 20:15, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Anyone can nominate a page for deletion, or vote in a discussion, although only admins have the power to actually perform deletions. There are three ways to go about deletion, speedy, in which a page doesn't meet any of the guidelines and can be deleted within a few hours. A prod, in which a user suggests deleting a page by adding a template and if nobody removes the template, then the article might be deleted. Finally, there is the AFD, in which a page is nominated and there is a discussion. Hopefully that clears things up for you. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 20:20, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Table of contents

It's usually automatic, but if it's not, simply type __TOC__ on a new line (that's two underscores, "TOC", then another two underscores) wherever you want the table of contents to display. Usually you're supposed to put it just after the introductory section.

Equazcion • argue/improves • 17:17, 10/10/2007

I think it could, yes. Generally whenever an article has sections that aren't visible without scrolling down significantly, I'd say the artcile would benefit from a TOC.

Equazcion • argue/improves • 18:13, 10/10/2007

There might be ways of wrapping the text around the TOC, but it's generally accepted to not do that. Take a look at most other articles that have TOCs, they all look like this one.

Equazcion • argue/improves • 18:17, 10/10/2007

Halloween image

Done :)

Equazcion • argue/improves • 20:44, 10/16/2007

No problem :)

Equazcion • argue/improves • 20:56, 10/16/2007

"Wrong person"

Lol, no problems. :) *Cremepuff222* 06:32, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

hehe, just don't do what I did... I commented on an RfA twice. :) *Cremepuff222* 06:35, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Ha! By that way, I like the ghost on your userpage. *Cremepuff222* 06:43, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

HOLY CRAP! I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY EDITOR FROM IOWA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is incredible. I'm from Sergeant Bluff, near Sioux City. *Cremepuff222* 06:47, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Hehe, yeah. Well, I'd better get back patrolling now. See ya later. *Cremepuff222* 06:51, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Reply

The article would have been targeted no matter what. The new version follows policy better than the old version did. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 19:53, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

What are you talking about? You didn't even add it originally. It has absolutely nothing to do with you and I'm sure you've added stuff I haven't reverted. Nothing in the intro is central to the plot, and thus it's an unnecessary retelling of jokes, and we try to avoid retelling jokes in GAs. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 23:33, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

No, because I really don't care what the other episode pages say, as long as the GAs meet GA standards, then that's fine with me. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 23:37, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

A GA must be peer reviewed by someone who is independant of the article. If you would be interested in helping with a GA, visit this page. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 01:35, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

So now who is ignoring who? Are you interested? -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 02:11, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Basically, importance means nothing. It's supposed to separate out which articles are of top importance to a project, and which ones mean nothing, but people rarely work on articles based on it's importance scale. As for the class, it tells how good an article is. All in all, they really have little to do with individual members, but the statistics can tell you things like how active a project is, what the most worked on topic is, etc, etc. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 23:08, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Simpsons

No, I'm right. It's a plural possessive because the house belongs to all five of the Simpsons, not just one of them. This is correct usage. See this college grammar guide, which specifically uses "the Simpsons' house" as an example. If you don't believe me, go to WP:RFC, or something. Zagalejo^^^ 04:34, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I thought that was better than a Google Books link. Are we cool now?

"Burns' Heir" is less clear-cut; Elements of Style would require the extra "s", but the Associated Press style guide would leave it as it is. [1]. Zagalejo^^^ 04:54, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

It's not so much of a grammar issue as it is a style issue, since the meaning is usually clear either way. Unfortunately, the Wikipedia Manual of Style is somewhat vague when it comes to situations like that. I don't have a problem with Burns's, as long as we're consistent. (The only exception would be when referring to the title of the episode, which should remain exactly as it is.) Cheers, Zagalejo^^^ 05:25, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm from Norwood Park on the northwest side, although I spend a lot of time in Uptown, which is just north of Lake View. Zagalejo^^^ 04:42, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Davenport, Iowa

To respond to your message, a section on neighborhoods could help, as long as you can come up with some reliably-sourced material on them. Iamanadam mentioned Dubuque as an article to use as an example of a good Iowa city article in his argument above, and I agree since that article has some good, sourced material (moreso than Davenport or even Des Moines). Incidentally, have you considered joining WikiProject Iowa? --Iowahwyman 22:07, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't know too much about its neighborhoods, unfortunately. --Iowahwyman 03:37, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Images

The NONFREE policy prohibits the excessive use of screenshots, so we can't post too many. Generally, four is an acceptable number, as long as the images are rationalized by the content of the article. As for capturing images, you'll need to download a player called "VLC Player", just google it, go to the official website and you can get a free download. You can play DVDs using it, and from there you SHOULD have no problem capturing images. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 01:58, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

It means add a wikiproject tag. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 02:11, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

I use Power DVD, works pretty well, although you need to resize the images before uploading them. Gran² 22:03, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 01:25, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

You update it where appropriate. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 01:39, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Pretty much. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 02:07, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Leave the page alone. I've done everything I could to keep the page off of the radars of the anti-image brigade and that involved removing the images from most of the characters. Would you rather have a page where 25% of the characters have images or 0% have images? Don't believe me? Look at the list of one-time characters. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 02:24, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

You'll need to listen to the DVD commentary and get some production info. Basically, look at some of the other GAs, like Trash of the Titans and follow its lead. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 02:49, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

You'd have to ask Gran2, but my guess is that there were no notable CRs that he could find references for. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 03:12, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Bart Carny

You need to lengthen the production and plot sections, add references to the Cultural references section, and add some kind of reception section. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 23:38, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Various sources, try searching EW and IGN for sources, and the BBC website is always good for at least one quote. Look for a link to the BBC website on Trash of the Titans, then go to the page for Bart Carny. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 03:10, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

The book is just what's on the BBC website, here. Gran² 08:27, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Treehouse of Horror III

Thank you for your interest in The THOH III page. But I think the 28 days later reference should remain, since it is valid to the episode and has a reference in the commentary. --Simpsons fan 66 22:22, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Opps, my bad. I forgot about the damn spellchecker. I'm consulting with Gran2 about the bullet points. --Simpsons fan 66 08:37, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Reply

Stop reverting him and wait for him to get bored and leave. You can revert him again tomorrow when he's gone. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 04:22, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

No, it's not vandalism, it's a content dispute. Just leave him alone and he'll go away. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 04:25, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah I'll see what I can do. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 04:40, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

I've checked my usual sources, and couldn't find anything. The episode wasn't even mentioned in the book Planet Simpson. So, I guess you'll need to give the commentary another listen and try to bulk up the production section. Although this quote: "One of the most dismally unfunny episodes ever, lifted only by the brief appearance of a talking camel and Homer's clever way of getting Cooder and Spud out of his home. Whereas most of the series's politically incorrect moments are funny and well-observed, this episode seems to be saying that fairground folk and travellers really are deeply unpleasant criminals who are both irredeemable and unworthy of help. Nasty-taste-in-the-mouth time." from here is useable. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 05:16, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

It's easy. You just add {{GAC}} to the article's talk page, then go to WP:GAC and add "Bart Carny" to the appropriate section. There is a section there just for episodes. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 05:48, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

They both still need a little work. The lead of Realty Bites should be modelled after the one I added on Bart Carny, and they should both have External links sections like the one here. The plots could use a once over, and then you might as well take a shot. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 19:25, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, the episodes are reviewed by an independant user and it all depends on how long it takes for somebody to get to it. I've had GACs wait almost 6 weeks, but since Alientraveller is around, it will probably be less than a week. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 19:35, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

What exactly do you mean? Do you mean a reference to a specific issue (there are none mentioned in the commentaries) or a reference that confirms that they are based on EC Comics, because there is already one in the article. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 05:01, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Generally, you don't need sources in a lead as it is meant to summarize the article. If something mentioned in the lead isn't mentioned in the article, THEN you need sources. As well, generally admins handle page moves, so just wait for one of them to handle it. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 05:13, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Why, what's wrong with it? -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 05:56, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

If you look to the right of the blue bars, you'll notice a little "show" thingy. Click that you'll be able to view the stuff. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 06:04, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Realty Bites

I suggest you fix up the referencing to Reality Bites, to make it similar to the way you made Bart Carny. Also, make the references to the commentary to the individuals in the commentary, as you'll make more references, and it'll just look better that way. xihix(talk) 23:51, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Mike Scully has the most distinct voice, so you should be able to recognize him. For the others, I suggest you hear the part they say, then go back to the beginning when they introduce themselves, and best guess who it was. xihix(talk) 00:04, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm pretty busy in real life, and only get chance to work on the episodes on weekends or Fridays. But, as I said, Mike Scully's voice is very distinct from the others, so thats a pretty good tip. And like I said before, just go to the beginning after you hear the statements that are said. Lastly, I suggest you use the sources I've used in my GA articles. The book (I scanned all of the season 9 pages and uploaded them, you can find the link on the talk page of the FT drive page), the simpsons plot page, the bbc page, and the commentary. xihix(talk) 00:30, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

It's really just unnecessary... xihix(talk) 04:23, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Not every episode does, some do, some don't. You can add it back if you want, just add the book source < ref name="book"/> (without space next to ref at the beginning) next to it. xihix(talk) 04:28, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Suggested it at the talk page of the Wikiproject. Many people find it unnecessary, but whatever. Also, add your two GA's to the main page of the WikiProject, in the GAC's area. xihix(talk) 04:35, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't see it... xihix(talk) 04:49, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I thought you were talking about the chalkboard discussion. And, regarding the GAC, I'm talking about the one on the main Wikiproject page, in the Announcements section. xihix(talk) 04:53, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

There is none... You said that every episode should have a chalkboard, and I suggested you go to the talk page of the Wikiproject's main page and suggest it. xihix(talk) 04:59, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, then I can't say you've seen that many... xihix(talk) 05:21, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

well

I don't live in Davenport, and I don't actually know how to use some of the features on wikipedia. Most of what I do is start articles or minor changes (such as correction in grammar, or disambig. pages), so I don't know a whole heck of alot about editing wikipedia in that since. The only problem I have is there are very few pictures, and all of which have to do with the river, I understand that the particular part of the city is no doubt the most important part of it, but I'm sure there are certain important things in other areas. Like I said, I'm not extremely skilled at wikipedia. Thanks. Iamanadam 01:34, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Something about further from the river, like Duck Creek or Vandevere (?, haven't live there for almost seven years, so I'm not sure how it's spelled). Thank you Iamanadam 05:36, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Good job

		The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
		For constantly beating me to the punch on vandalism, keep up the good work! Gonzo fan2007 talk ♦ contribs 05:22, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Lol... I hit like 6 straight pages where you had reverted the vandalism before I could get to it so I figured you deserved it, keep up the good work!
Gonzo fan2007 ^{talk ♦ contribs} 05:53, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Thought this might interest you

[2] -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 20:43, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm busy right now. User:Sup3rior has slowly been chipping away at it. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 05:18, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Nope, just the Van Houtens and the Flanders. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 05:25, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm saying we don't need them. Kirk, Luann and Milhouse are all major characters, as are Ned, Rod, Maude and Todd. All of them could easily sustain individual pages, but the WP:FICT guidelines are against that. None of the other familys (other than the Simpsons and Bouviers) have that many major characters, or enough. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 05:31, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

I received an angry e-mail from an anonymous user who accused me of doing it only because I wanted to get rid of Rod and Todd Flanders because they are gay(???) Either way, I figured I'd unmerge them and do it the proper way (even though there have been three discussions at WP:SIMPSONS where we decided to merge the pages). -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 05:59, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh no, it was a user. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 06:07, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

The REAL Thanksgiving was a month ago. I think you use <big> tags and it makes the text bigger. To make it even bigger use another big tag. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 22:27, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

It looks okay to me. Text formatting really isn't my specialty so perhaps you should ask someone else. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 22:40, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Reply

I never have and I most likely never will. I have received a couple of offers, but generally I don't want to be one because then I'd be expected to resolve disputes (as you can see, I'm not very good at that), have top notch knowledge of policy (again, not very good) and I'm really not much into the beureaucratic stuff that goes on around here. Besides, I would most likely only use the powers to help my editing stuff (ie. speedy deletions, history merges, banning annoying Simpsons vandals, etc, etc) -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 01:57, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

I read that you are thinking of applying for adminship, and I hate to be rude, but I think you should wait a few months before doing so. You have certainly improved as an editor quite a bit in the last few months, but you have a ways to go yet. You'll need to become a vandal fighter to have a real shot and it wouldn't hurt to get some more experience about policies and such. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 02:03, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

THat's my point, you don't know what prosify means and you think you'll be able to handle the task of helping inexperienced users? Prosify means turning bullet points and stuff in point form into paragraph form. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 02:10, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Pretty much. I wanted to get the point across. Just wait a few months, read up on policy and do some vandal fighting, then you'll be ready. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 02:13, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

But if you want to go for it, then go for it. Don't let me stop you. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 02:26, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

There is no discussion because nobody has started one. Basically, if nobody objects after a couple of weeks, then you go ahead with the merge. And, Kearney's last name is listed on a page in 24 Minutes. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 03:18, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

family guy

first its a directors blog, that was featured on familyguy.com before its redesign. Again, these episodes appear on numerous other outlets, but this was the most legit source. Also, the source has provided information in the past that was all accurate. This has been discussed in length already by the main contributing editors of family guy, and this was the decision deemed best applicable. I see youve made numerous contributions to wikipedia, but you should stay with the subjects you are most familiar with, even if you are a said fan of family guy. Please stop reverting discussed changes. thanks. Grande13

I believe its the article at ign from this years comiccon that details the upcoming plots. Regarding the blog, it has been proven in the past to be correct as you can go back to the last season and see the same results. Also, there is a lot of insider knowledge available there and on his past blogs. Also, a few of us are in direct email connection with a few of the directors as we help run other various cartoon/family guy websites/promotions. There are no longer any issues with this page and its causing no harm and it clearing lays out the upcoming info without being crystal ball like it was previously formatted. Its more beneficial to have the official titles up there now, as the page is a high source of vandalism and this cuts back on it substantially as there is a source provided that cant be manipulated by vandals, so all future info not properly sourced is quickly now able to be identified as vandalism which helps protect the integrity of the page. There are some other reasons as well but i have other things to attend to now. Grande13

again it was at one time linked to on the official family guy site, before its recent remodeling. The source is the director itself, and the past verifies this as he has provided details in the past that were added here that all were true that could not have been figured out by someone just impersonating. I dont know what other proof you could want, but all the information is factual and the format has been agreed upon by the editors here, and even a few admins had stepped in in the past to give their input. The official directors blog is a method that allows us to source info that has already been mentioned in some past audio interviews, newsletters, videos, and such and allows for a source that can't be manipulated with by the outsider. You're asking for proof it is the directors, but there is no proof showing that its not. Yes, not the strongest argument, but it was on the official site, which at the time made it an official blog, before the designers of familyguy.com switched layouts. Grande13

Re:WP:RFA

Sorry, I've been busy. The description of the user is just some background info about yourself on Wikipedia, mainly things you may have done that aren't covered by the 3 standard questions. As far as self-noms go, I don't think there is any data as to whether they have a lower chance of passing and they are quite common (I was a self-nom). I'm not sure why there might not be many self-noms now. After reviewing your contributions, I'm not sure how well you would do in an RFA. Your article contributions are good, a mix of vandal reverts and cleanup, but your contributions to the User talk namespace seem to be mostly vandalism warnings, RFA voters generally like to see evidence of good communication with other users. But your contributions to the Wikipedia namespace is what would likely hurt you on RFA. People like to see plenty of contributions to areas such as WP:AFD to see that you have a good knowledge of policies like the deletion policy. You may want to participate in other RFAs to get a sense of the process and check out areas like WP:ANI and WP:AN to get a sense of what admins do. People at RFA can be pretty picky. You might want to try in 2 months or so, after getting more experience in admin-related areas (making sure your article contributions don't greatly suffer as a result). I would not suggest starting an RFA now, mainly for the reason that you could probably pass in a month or 2, but if you do an RFA now, and don't succeed, people may want you to wait 3-6 months before trying again. You should look over Wikipedia:Admin coaching and if it seems like it might be for you, I would volunteer to be your coach. This might be a little more than you actually asked for, but I hope it helps. Mr.Z-man 05:27, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

I'd be happy to do it. I'll look over more of the coaching info later (it is well after midnight local time for me) and get back to you with some suggestions. Mr.Z-man 05:50, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

If you were to try an RFA now or in the next couple weeks, it would probably hurt you. But people know that users are human and make mistakes occasionally. Most people won't oppose for single incidents like that unless it is extremely recent. Opposes are usually for lack of knowledge about something or recurring issues. I plan to get some admin coaching stuff set up in your usersapce soon. Until then, I would suggest reading over WP:CSD and WP:DELETE and looking over some WP:AFD discussions. Mr.Z-man 21:33, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

FYI

There is an AN/I thread here Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Threats which involves you. henrik•talk 08:53, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Nah, there's no need to do anything - I was just pointing out the discussion. (In fact, it might be best to do nothing). But I'd like to echo those other comments there, marking that edit as vandalism might not have been the best thing to do, though I can understand why you did it. It was quite rightly reverted though. Cheers! henrik•talk 19:27, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Tips from a seasoned vet: "Vandal" can be an inciting word, like "troll", and it is best reserved for only the most obvious vandalism, like "Dick Cheney gobbles fat cocks". For the instance you were dealing with, the best choice of templates would have been the {{uw-delete1}} - {{uw-delete4}} series. It's best not to pontificate on the motivation of other editors, including anonymous IPs; the editor may or may not be a homophobe, but neither mindset could easily be proven and it's unnecessary to invoke that when deciding what is vandalism. This warning was tasteless, but you probably shouldn't have retaliated with a v4 warning. Just ignore, or if you're feeling frisky, ask the IP why they thought what they were doing wasn't vandalism and ask them to participate in discussion on the article talk page. There are many ways of dealing with contentious editors, and aggressively escalating a situation is usually not among the best methods. If you get the spirit of what I'm driving at, you'll find a smoother experience ahead. And when there are real and obvious homophobes at work on the pages here, go slow; I find it's preferable to not call them on it at first but rather to give them enough rope. ··coelacan 20:21, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and you may already know of it, but check Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace for the variety of templates when you need to find an appropriate one. ··coelacan 20:39, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, the false template constituted being tasteless, or possibly being a jerk, but not vandalism per se. It could have been understandable frustration; if the user did not think they were vandalizing homophobia, then obviously they would be taken aback by templates saying "you are vandalizing this article". They didn't respond appropriately by templating you, but at that point you would have done best to open a dialogue rather than escalating with another template. The user may not be a regular, but the aesthetic of WP:DTR may be beneficial here too. ··coelacan 20:45, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

BTW, if you want it, here's a shorter version of your sig - Ctjf83 - 18 characters removed. ··coelacan 21:53, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Suggest you don't respond to the IP on the ANI thread. S/he has already had the situation explained, about how there was no threat to ban, how these are just usual templates, and how the material being removed was sourced. There's nothing else to say; s/he just wants to squeeze something further out of the situation. If someone else asks you a question, answer, but I think you should disengage from the IP now. ··coelacan 14:59, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

(top) means that user has the last edit in the page history. If you're looking at Special:Contributions/Ctjf83, it means nobody has edited the page since you have. On adminship: don't rush in. Most of the site's functionality and most of the policy needs to be second nature to you before it's a good idea to go for RFA. The extra admin abilities mostly amount to thankless grunt work. Enjoy your innocence while you can. ;) ··coelacan 15:26, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Agreed ! Reformat season pages

I throughtly agree with your idea of re-formatting the season pages, which, I've already done. I've throughtly cleaned up Season Eighteen, Season Ten and Season Three, and I've you go to my talk page, look into my personal sandbox, then you would notice I'm cleaning out Season Four. - Yours truly, Superior_(talk) 05:02, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Reply

It's pretty ridiculous actually, every time I remove something that mentions them being gay, it immediately gets "archived" on the talk page. As for proper merging techniques, the Flanders family page right now is pretty much ready, so the Maude and Rod & Todd pages would only need to be redirected. However, there is opposition to it now, so we'd have to wait for some kind of consensus. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 03:27, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

You just have to be patient, but you could ask this user to have a look. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 01:21, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Infobox Season Addition

I apologise for my late reply, busy all day. I have JUST finished adding the entire plot for Husbands and Knives.

I was going to look at "Template:Infobox Simpsons episode" and edit the seasons on to it, but someone already beat me to it, well, regardless, it looks better with the seasons at the bottom, now its more easier to navigate. (: - Yours truly, Superior_(talk) 03:35, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Reply

Sorry, I've been very busy and quite stressed out lately. I guarantee you I will have something within the next 24 hours. And I'm not sure what you mean by QAC, do you mean WP:GAC or WP:FAC? Mr.Z-man 01:37, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

I looked at both of them and they seem quite good. I have not done anything with WP:GA in a while, so I don't know if their standards have changed or not. As I am (or will eventually be) your admin coach, it would be a bit of a conflict of interest for me to review them myself, but I think they should pass. I don't think they would pass WP:FAC though, if you were to try that route. While that is probably as comprehensive as they can get, FAC reviewers always want more, sometimes more than is available. But good job on those (I need to do more article writing). Mr.Z-man 02:13, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

reply

Hi, I have been targeted online and in real world so refrain from giving a lot of personal info. I have lived in over two dozens places including the Midwest so can relate to "heartland" values. Benjiboi 06:34, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

huh? Benjiboi 22:55, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Admin coaching

Okay, I have finally started an admin coaching page for you. There is a short survey, some questions directly related to being an admin, some more indirectly. You can find it at User:Ctjf83/Admin Coaching. Mr.Z-man 00:25, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Sorry if I wasn't clear. I mean more like the job of an admin. I added the [the majority of] part because some admins do specialize in specific areas, but just a broad "The job of an admin is..." will do. Mr.Z-man 01:27, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

GA reviews

A time limit of a week is allowed to fix an errors the reviewer may find. Funnily, "Realty Bites" is linked on my user page, as I quote the episode in a picture caption. Alientraveller (talk) 22:15, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

I haven't read it yet, but I would prefer an image of Kirk without his arm, or it actually falling off, just as a note before I formally review it. It's not often we see something gleefully violent. Alientraveller (talk) 22:31, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Normally, we get sources for CR sections from the commentaries and the BBC website, and occasionally the Simpsons Forever book if need be. I'll take a look at that tomorrow. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 01:19, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

No, it's not useable as a source. And we link to it because it gives more detail about certain things and nobody has ever objected to linking to it. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 03:08, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Because in the end, it's a fansite, and they have no more knowledge of what the producers are thinking than we do. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 03:15, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

There you go. Alientraveller (talk) 18:36, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Little help?

Yoshiarecool (talk · contribs) has been reverting all of my edits to Funeral for a Fiend. I think he's trying to trick me into violating 3RR. Somebody tried that last week on Husbands and Knives. Would you mind removing the goofs section? -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 01:57, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Doesn't matter to me. I've always considered a recurring character to be more than three appearances, but eventually someone will move his section there. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 02:53, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Talk pages

Per WP:USER and more specifically Wikipedia:Don't restore removed comments, ips as well as any other user can remove warnings from their talk page. It shows that they have seen them. If you are reporting them at WP:AIV, list it in the report that the warnings are in the talk page history. Which ip is it? I will have a look if you want. Woodym555 (talk) 18:07, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Yep, he vandalised, you warned. If he vandalises again, report it to WP:AIV mentioning the point about blanked warnings. Nothing much more that can be done I'm afraid. Woodym555 (talk) 18:11, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

As far as I can tell, add it to the page as usual, at the top. Don't readd content that they have deleted. I don't think it is codified anywhere though. If the ip hasn't vandalised for a week though, the allocation might have changed, so start the warnings all over again. You have acted completely correctly here by the way, you warned and then asked for help. (Just re-read my earlier comment, meant to add that in after warned.) Woodym555 (talk) 18:17, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Reply

There has been some opposition to it, but nothing as of late, so I guess one of us could be bold and merge it and then see if anyone opposes. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 03:18, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Meh, that kind of stuff happens occasionally. The sad part is that they think they're cool when they do it. The funny part is that that's not my name. It's happened to me before too. Some idiot wrestling columnist asked his readers to vandalize my page. Nobody did. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 02:34, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm still trying to decide. getting him blocked gives him what he wants, plus if I did that, he might ask some others to come here and continue the war. I think the best strategy is to ignore it. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 02:36, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

In obvious cases like that, the best thing to do would be to just find an online administrator and it report it to them, and let them decide what to do. There are places it could be reported like WP:AN. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 02:39, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Nope

Don't know how to do that. But, try copying that template and simply adding some Simpsons quotes. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 03:31, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

It's possible. I might try tackling that when I have some time this weekend. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 03:44, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Photos and the Iowa article

In response to your inquiries on my talk page:

• Regarding photos for Quad Cities-area articles, I'd go for landmarks and other places that are unique to the area. The Dillon Fountain on Main Street downtown would be a good example.
• The Iowa article looks a little better with your edit but I agree it does need a lot of work.

I really haven't been very active on Wikipedia lately since I've been busy with other things in my life. --Iowahwyman (talk) 00:49, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Movie

Not in a long time, why do you ask? Cirt (talk) 22:18, 7 December 2007 (UTC).

Not really, sorry, to really help I'd probably want to have the DVD commentary and the Movie side-by-side to give you a good response. Why, what are they saying in the commentary? Cirt (talk) 22:23, 7 December 2007 (UTC).

Yeah, sorry, probably better off asking them. I'm better with secondary sources and stuff like that. Cirt (talk) 22:26, 7 December 2007 (UTC).

Yeah, that's probably the best way to go with it for now. Cirt (talk) 22:31, 7 December 2007 (UTC).

Pictures

I added a Selected pictures section to Portal:The Simpsons. What do you think? I tried to highlight/bold the relevant episode in the brief blurbs that go along with the images. There are 10 images so far, but more can be added if positive feedback is received on inclusion of this section in general. Cirt (talk) 12:02, 8 December 2007 (UTC).

Reply

I think the scene where everyone gives money to the Simpsons is based on It's a Wonderful Life. The statement in the section right now looks pretty accurate. If you think it's ready to be a GAC, could you please wait a bit until some of our other GACs have passed? It's a pain, but we don't want to swamp the reviewers. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 15:56, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

• If you want, I can usually expand Reception sections. Let me know which article you want help with, and I can work on expansions. Cirt (talk) 19:21, 8 December 2007 (UTC).
  • Better off asking Scorpion or Maitch about that question. I mean, after all, Maitch even wrote the article on Simpsons' History, hehe. Cirt (talk) 19:24, 8 December 2007 (UTC).

THOH III Images

THOH III has come up for review and the reviewer feels that the images you uploaded, Homer getting dunked and the zombies one, are excessive, are not required for the article and may violate fair use since they are not mentioned in the episode. Apologies, but I had to remove the images. --Simpsons fan 66 22:19, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

In reply to your question: the articles text mentions Homer being chocked not drowned - "Marge finally sees the doll choking Homer". You can't just have a non-free, copyright image in an article because you feel like it. If it doesn't have good fair use rationale it can cause all sorts of problems (legal ones). You have to discuss what is occurring in the image in question in the article to have any chance of it meeting fair use rationale, especially for an article with five fair use images. Also, in the future make sure the copyright images you upload are of a low resolution; this is necessary to meet fair use rationale. - Shudde ^talk 09:04, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

I thought you might make that argument! The article also mentions Homer, but that doesn't mean any image of Homer is ok. If it's not explicitly mentioned in the article, I don't see why it needs to be there. It's important to make sure that the image clearly and easily meets the fair use rationale. I would consider 800x600 for a screen shot too high a res. That's pretty high res really, basically I would not have the resolution any higher then necessary (so quite low). I might be able to review your article tomorrow, but I'm going offline (and to bed!) soon. - Shudde ^talk 09:20, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

I would strongly oppose you adding another image. There are three already, that's plenty. You may want to replace Image:Bart ClockworkOrange.jpg with another image (the fair use rationale for Image:Bart ClockworkOrange.jpg is pretty weak anyway), but that would be about it. - Shudde ^talk 09:26, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

When I first addressed this article I left the picture because it fits in and illustrates the episode in general, instead of a specific segment. Also If I don't use that image I don't know what I could replace it with. --Simpsons fan 66 09:48, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

• Most Featured Article class articles on episodes from The Simpsons contain no more than three fair-use images. Articles on themes and topics where various points are addressed from multiple episodes and analyzed directly seem to have more. Cirt (talk) 09:53, 9 December 2007 (UTC).

Quotes

Well, at the moment, yeah, I'd prefer limiting it to one per person. We already have 18 quotes, and with 3 displayed at a time that's 6 sets to cycle through. However, if you know of any other notable individuals that aren't quoted, please let me know. I didn't find a source for a few people, and I think I might ask some folks who own DVDs for direct quotes referenced to DVD commentary. Cirt (talk) 16:25, 6 December 2007 (UTC).

Nah, I got ahold of some of the DVDs a coupla times, but I don't own em. Cirt (talk) 16:35, 6 December 2007 (UTC).

• Look okay? Cirt (talk) 10:13, 9 December 2007 (UTC).
  • Glad it looks good. As for me, let's just say I live on Qo'noS. Cirt (talk) 10:18, 9 December 2007 (UTC).
    • Hehe, glad you liked that one. I'm not sure about the preferences thing though, not sure why that's not workin for ya. Cirt (talk) 10:20, 9 December 2007 (UTC).
      • You may not have to actually post a question here, but you may find links to the answer you need at Wikipedia:Help desk. Cirt (talk) 10:24, 9 December 2007 (UTC).
• See the Nominations section at the bottom of the subpage. Cirt (talk) 21:16, 9 December 2007 (UTC).
  • So far I've just been honoring everyone's requests. If we start seeing duplicates, e.g. lots from one season or one character, I'd bring up an issue about it. If the page gets more activity and more participation from others in the project, sure, I'd love the help. But the general idea is to keep a good variety going. Cirt (talk) 21:19, 9 December 2007 (UTC).
    • I really hadn't thought up a system, it hasn't gotten too complex to need one yet. But I am thinking of moving Nominations to the talk page if it gets more active/bigger. Cirt (talk) 04:33, 10 December 2007 (UTC).
      • If you want to put that together somehow on the talk page in some sort of organzation, it'd be much appreciated. Cirt (talk) 04:36, 10 December 2007 (UTC).
        • Eh, I could do it, it would take a sec cuz I know which ones are already there from which season. Cirt (talk) 04:41, 10 December 2007 (UTC).
          • No, no, by all means, I'd love the help. Whichever way you wish. By default my assumption is that it's the project's shared responsibility, it's just that the page is not that active yet. Cirt (talk) 04:43, 10 December 2007 (UTC).
• It's limited to a one-liner. Too much back-and-forth would break up the format spacing of the rest of the portal. The longest single quote as far as space is by Marge Simpson (the first quote used). So the quote should sort of make sense as a stand-alone from one character. Cirt (talk) 04:48, 10 December 2007 (UTC).
  • If you really want, but really there's no need. As portal-related discussion can take place at the main portal talk page, we can just use the talk page of the Character quote page for the Nominations stuff. Cirt (talk) 04:53, 10 December 2007 (UTC).
    • There is no limit specifically, but I thought we should start by limiting it to one per episode. Once stuff is exhausted (i.e. each season has two) we could start duplicating stuff a third time. Follow? It's just to ensure variety. Cirt (talk) 05:18, 10 December 2007 (UTC).
      • The "Archive/Nominations" link is still accurate. It links to the archive, which in turn has an explanation retained at the bottom as a soft-link to the talk page. Cirt (talk) 05:22, 10 December 2007 (UTC).
        •  Done - That was easy. Cirt (talk) 07:19, 10 December 2007 (UTC).

Miracle on Evergreen Terrace lead

Sure, I could do that. Remind me if I haven't in a bit. Cirt (talk) 19:02, 9 December 2007 (UTC).

• Hehe, okay. I gotta run but I'll probably do that within under seven hours. Cirt (talk) 19:43, 9 December 2007 (UTC).
  • Thank you! It always feels good when people recognize the stuff I do around here. Cirt (talk) 19:58, 9 December 2007 (UTC).
    •  Done - I had some time now. Looks a bit better. Cirt (talk) 20:50, 9 December 2007 (UTC).

Re: Watchlist question

It seems that the maximum time is seven days period - I tried changing mine to 30, and it switched it right back again after saving. I'm not quite sure why that is, but it's probably for performance reasons. 30 days is a bit far for it to stretch at times. You could try asking at the Tech Pump, but they'll probably say the same thing. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 21:30, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Hello

I just wanted to say that I admire you on your userboxes and that I am proud that you are out. More than I can say. Lol Dustihowe 18:18, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

So, are you currently going out with someone, or are you single? Dustihowe (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 17:19, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Imagine that, there aren't any intersting gays (if any) around me. I live in an area that is um...politically correct. LOL!! Do you have an email account or a phone number so we can talk? Dustihowe (talk) 17:39, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm Sorry, I don't. Umm....I have gmail and a verizon cell phone. You?Dustihowe (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 17:45, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I am currently at work but I will email you around 3:30, thats when I get off. I work at a radio station. If you want to email me (or so you know who is emailing you) my email is dhowe.2008@gmail.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dustihowe (talk • contribs) 17:48, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

I do DJ. Dustihowe (talk) 17:53, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

We play country music. No we aren't online yet, since we are fairly new. I will let you know though when we do get up and online. Do you like country music? Dustihowe (talk) 17:57, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

I see I see Dustihowe (talk) 18:22, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

So, if you don't mind, tell me about yourself. Also, how do you feel about dating people that are younger than you by a year or two? Dustihowe (talk) 19:12, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Thats Fine, I live in Indiana. Will you be able to chat at 3:30ish? Dustihowe (talk) 19:16, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

That is going to be an issue. Tomorrow I will be able to. I tell ya what. How about we text. Is that ok? I will be able to for a little bit today, and tomorrow would be great, Saturday too. Dustihowe (talk) 19:34, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Oh, you are alive!!?? Lol....So, how is it going? Dustihowe (talk) 18:34, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

I did but you never responded. Maybe it went to the wrong address. Dustihowe (talk) 18:44, 10 December 2007 (UTC) ctjf83@yahoo.com right?

I can't I'm at work. I will try to when I get off work. The gmail site is blocked here. Dustihowe (talk) 18:51, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

No, what kind of message did you send? Dustihowe (talk) 19:08, 10 December 2007 (UTC) (and when?)

Oh, Ok. Sorry, I was really busy this weekend and like I said, I thought I did send it. Sorry, I will here in a couple of minutes. L8er. Check out the Rfa's. I've been busy!!! Dustihowe (talk) 20:18, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Re: Iowa

If I had my say in it, I'd just eliminate the list altogether and try to incorporate any notable natives relating to entertainment, sports, politics, etc. into the appropriate sections of the article. My beef with the list was the rather loose notability standards that people were listing just about anyone who had an Iowa tie -- I remember that Sage Rosenfels was originally on the list, and he's just a backup quarterback in the NFL now (at least Kurt Warner won a Super Bowl). He should be, and is, listed under his hometown of Maquoketa. For now, though, I'd try to generate a consensus on the WP:IOWA talk page or the main Iowa article talk page to see what people think. --Iowahwyman (talk) 20:53, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Realty Bites

No, I did not. Check the talk page, there is still more to be done. But we have seven days. P.S. - If you want to work on it by yourself, let me know, otherwise I'd love to help you get it past the GA Hold. You've done good work so far. Cirt (talk) 20:05, 13 December 2007 (UTC).

• Okay. Cirt (talk) 20:08, 13 December 2007 (UTC).
  • It will make it easier for the GA Reviewer if you note what changes you made on the talk page, see my comments at the bottom for example. I'll take a look in a bit and try to expand the lead a tad. Cirt (talk) 20:22, 13 December 2007 (UTC).
    • Due to Phil Hartman's death, the recurring characters of Lionel Hutz and Troy McClure were retired. -- Need to find a source for this. Cirt (talk) 20:27, 13 December 2007 (UTC).
      • Hey, I don't make the Wiki-rules, and I'm sure there's a source for that. Check the talk page. I noted that I added a bit more to the Reception section, but I've been having trouble finding a third source to add for it. Cirt (talk) 20:31, 13 December 2007 (UTC).
•  Done - Thanks for mentioning that cite. Added it to the relevant portion of the article. Cirt (talk) 20:43, 13 December 2007 (UTC).
  • I don't know, I'm not familiar with that article in particular. I'd check with Scorpion. Cirt (talk) 20:51, 13 December 2007 (UTC).
    • Not ready for a follow-up review just yet, there are still some more things to address. Check the talk page for all of the GA Reviewer's points, against what we noted we have addressed below. Cirt (talk) 21:11, 13 December 2007 (UTC).
      • I'll take a look. No rush, we still have Seven Days, but the lead could use an extra sentence or so, as the GA Reviewer noted. Overall, looks good. Cirt (talk) 21:36, 13 December 2007 (UTC).

Answer to your Admin question

I'm really just having fun contributing to the project as a content-focused contributor, a Wikipedia:WikiDragon if you will. At the present time, I'm not interested in becoming an Admin or the duties it entails. Hope that answers your question. Cirt (talk) 21:45, 13 December 2007 (UTC).

• I did want to say thank you for thinking about me in that manner though, really appreciated. I see you are going for Admin coaching? Cirt (talk) 22:10, 13 December 2007 (UTC).
  • Good luck to you. My editing/research has not led me to those two particular articles/areas yet, but if I get bored as you say I will try to take a look. Cirt (talk) 22:20, 13 December 2007 (UTC).

Marge quote

Well, I used the Marge quote because I thought it was funny and cute, and it's from the very first episode. Cirt (talk) 21:54, 13 December 2007 (UTC).

• Is that quote from the first episode too? I don't get it, I don't understand the context. Most of the other quotes a reader who is not a Simpsons expert could stumble along and get that the quote is funny or meaningful. Cirt (talk) 21:57, 13 December 2007 (UTC).
  • I think it's a good idea to have a quote from the very first episode. Cirt (talk) 22:00, 13 December 2007 (UTC).
    • Right, hehe, but now I want to see that episode to understand the context. I hope it is on reruns soon. Cirt (talk) 22:02, 13 December 2007 (UTC).
      • I'm a big Simpsons fan, sure, I just don't have all the episodes memorized, though I've probably seen them once or twice. Cirt (talk) 22:06, 13 December 2007 (UTC).
        • Eh, I'm not really "listed" on any projects, but I sort of just contribute and leave it at that. I've contributed to stuff with other WikiProjects, and of course feel free to ask me for help on stuff, but I just don't feel like listing myself at those places. Cirt (talk) 22:09, 13 December 2007 (UTC).

Lisa's Sax

No I don't think it's really necessary. You shouldn't add potentially crufty sections just to satisfy the anti-image folks. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 23:48, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Miracle on Evergreen Terrace on Hold

I just reviewed Miracle on Evergreen Terrace and out it on hold. I left some notes on the talk page. Thanks. Rufous-crowned Sparrow (talk) 20:11, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

I just passed it. Thanks for your quick response. Rufous-crowned Sparrow (talk) 22:45, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Realty Bites

• You might want to be more specific, or find a better description for 'murder house".
• I'm guessing Homer and Snake are fighting while the car is moving? Should state this.

Did you address those two? If so, I think everything is addressed save for lead expansion, and I'll do that next. Cirt (talk) 07:29, 15 December 2007 (UTC).

• Great job on Miracle on Evergreen Terrace. I guess if you think all the other points have been addressed on Realty Bites, I'll go ahead and expand the lead a bit and we can contact the GA Reviewer to take another look. Cirt (talk) 17:41, 15 December 2007 (UTC).
  • I added a bit to the Lead/Intro, and Xihix (talk · contribs) has notified the GA Reviewer. It's nice to see things moving along. And I added a bit more to The Last Temptation of Krust, which I think could make a good Featured Article Candidate down the line. Cirt (talk) 18:31, 15 December 2007 (UTC).
    • Sure, I'll work on the Reception parts and other minor stuff, and you can do all the rest, e.g. Production, DVD commentary, and fixing up problems with the plot? Cirt (talk) 18:54, 15 December 2007 (UTC).
• Please see Talk:Realty Bites, at the bottom. Shudde (talk · contribs) responded, and I think the remaining two points are more up your alley to fix. Cirt (talk) 00:17, 17 December 2007 (UTC).
  • Well, I'll let you take another look, and if you hit a dead-end with that stuff, let me know and I'll try to work on it. Cirt (talk) 01:03, 17 December 2007 (UTC).
    • Okay, I'll try to find more on the Phil thing. Cirt (talk) 02:11, 17 December 2007 (UTC).
      • Haven't found much yet, haven't looked real hard though. We still have three days, but I will try to find some more soon. Cirt (talk) 18:03, 17 December 2007 (UTC).

Lost Our Lisa

I left some notes on the talk page. You forgot to provide the name of the person on one of the notes to the DVD commentary. Otherwise, we shaped up this article real fast! Cirt (talk) 20:36, 15 December 2007 (UTC).

• I'll be back later too. I guess we'll just leave it for now. See notes on the talk page, we can continue collaboration there instead of back and forth on our talkpages, more convenient. Cirt (talk) 20:39, 15 December 2007 (UTC).
  • You could just default that ref for the DVD commentary missing person to whoever is the lead coordinator on the DVD commentary. Usually it's the executive producer or lead writer. Cirt (talk) 20:41, 15 December 2007 (UTC).
    • It's not required, no. But just double check the unsourced stuff I moved from the article to the talk page. If any sources can be found, great. If not, we don't need to have a section on that, it's sort of trivial unless discussed and backed up in sources anyway. Cirt (talk) 20:58, 15 December 2007 (UTC).
      • Okay, well if it's not mentioned in the commentary, and no other sources can be found, no need for a section for Cultural references. As far as I can tell, the article just needs some minor copyediting and Intro/Lead expansion (which I could do if you want), and it's pretty much WP:GAC worthy. Cirt (talk) 21:02, 15 December 2007 (UTC).
• We do make a good team. Thanks for all your help. Cirt (talk) 21:21, 15 December 2007 (UTC).
  • No worries. Cirt (talk) 18:24, 17 December 2007 (UTC).

Yay

I'm so happy we won't have to deal with IPs on Eternal Moonshine of the Simpson Mind for a week. Some registered users will still be insistant on adding trivia, but IPs are the worst. This will be a bad episode for cruft too, because you know people will add a comprehensive list of what past episodes we saw screenshots of. And to answer your earlier question, I saw the opening credits on the version that aired on Global, then I was kicked off of the TV, so I had to watch the rest on Fox an hour later. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 01:59, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

There's a difference between a one-off line and a one-minute parody. I've always said that I support the inclusion of extensive parodies, but also the exclusion of brief ones. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 02:52, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Personally I think that everything needs a ref. Except for the plot section which can be described citing the episode itself as a source, as long as it is only described from what actually happened in the plot, with no conclusions drawn or inferences made. Other than the plot section I think everything in the article either needs a source, or needs to go. Cirt (talk) 21:10, 17 December 2007 (UTC).

Please see my response at User_talk:Scorpion0422#Simpsons_2. WP:AGF, I'm assuming this was a misunderstanding and just an edit conflict on the talk page with multiple people editing at the same time. Cirt (talk) 23:47, 17 December 2007 (UTC).

Realty Bites

I just want to know why it is called the "murder house"? I'm guessing there was a murder there, but from memory (I've seen this episode), there was a very famous murder in the house, but whether this is all I can't remember. - Shudde ^talk 19:13, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Just saying it's a house whether there was an infamous murder would probably be enough (if that's all there is to it). Well all it is now is one line, yet he voiced a several characters. What other characters were retired? Who decided (and how) that they would be retired. Did they introduce new charaters to the show because of this? You don't need to say heaps, but adding a couple of things would be good. - Shudde ^talk 19:31, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

The only other character he voiced regularly was McClure. The staff decided, because they just did, it wouldn't have been the same without Phil, as is mentioned in the source. The weren't retired in a speciic way, because Phil was dead.. they just stopped appearing. There's no source to say that they added new characters or anything else, because what's in the article at the moment is all that there is to it, because if there was some other huge factor, I'm sure it would have been mentioned in one of the commentaries, but its not. Gran² 19:42, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Well yeah, if there is any other source that provides more information, then it must be bloody hard to find. Gran² 19:48, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Nice job. Cirt (talk) 20:06, 17 December 2007 (UTC).

Eh, this one was mostly you, I just added some stuff to Reception. Cirt (talk) 20:09, 17 December 2007 (UTC).

Oh God right! I forgot about that! Ah well, thanks for the offer, but it shouldn't be to hard, I'll whack the old DVD out on Wednesday night and do it then, to celebrate the start of my Christmas holidays! Gran² 20:17, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Lost Our Lisa GA review request

Thanks for the message. Normally, I'd be happy to do it. However, I don't really do TV episode GA nominations (I don't feel comfortable assessing them against the GA criteria, if that makes any sense). Keep up the good work, though. Cheers! Esrever ^(klaT) 22:13, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Well, not many lately. I've not had the time really to devote to a "proper" GA review of an article, so I mostly check recent additions to see if they can be "quick-failed" (e.g., if they have no references or if they have a cleanup template, etc.). No sense in having an article hang out on the list for a month or more if it's got no chance of passing. That's what originally brought me to the above article, but since it's not a quick-fail candidate, I did some minor copyediting and moved on. :) Esrever ^(klaT) 19:05, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

In taking just a quick look at the Davenport, Iowa, article, I noticed that it certainly will need more references before it'll be GA ready. The paragraph in the lead about flooding and the sections on History and Geography all caught my eye because of statements there that need citations. And I'm not sure that information on the Diocese of Davenport belongs in the lead (or anywhere, other than perhaps in a comprehensive section on religion in the city) and I'd say that talking about bishops emeriti is just trivia. Beyond that, the article looks pretty good: it seems to be comprehensive and well organized (though I'd probably put the Government section under something else, seeing as how it's so brief). Make sure all images have fair use rationales (I've added some to the images of the flag and seal).

The Iowa article seems decent, too, although less so than the Davenport one. It's a bit more of a mishmash of facts and trivia. The Sports section and the Famous Iowans section, for example, are mostly just indiscriminate lists. It also needs to be a bit more comprehensive in its references.

Anyway, those are the things I picked up on as I read the two articles. I hope you find them helpful. As to specific places (or people) to which you can look for further guidance, I'm not sure what to tell you. Perhaps just look at the current slate of Good Articles on similar topics. Cheers! Esrever ^(klaT) 20:18, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Regarding the Davenport headlines, it would probably be fine just to cite a few national newspapers, yes. With my earlier comment, I was mostly just referring to the fact that certain statements (e.g., "It is the largest city bordering the Mississippi that has no permanent floodwall or levee.") needed citations, too, which I see you've done. Cheers! Esrever ^(klaT) 06:10, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Hey

Sorry, I have been busy lately. I will talk to you soon....I promise. You know, with all of the holidays it's just been hectic. I will email you soon....--Dustihowe  Talk  17:28, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Re: Iowa

I'm still leaning toward deleting it altogether and integrating the data into other sections. Maybe someone on the United States Wikiproject might have an opinion on what to do with it. --Iowahwyman (talk) 03:18, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

I see your point, but it's edits like the one you just reverted that proves that having a long list is a cruft-prone idea. I just realized that there's a List of people from Iowa article where a lot of that information could go. IMO, some of the information can be moved there if it isn't there already, with the main article providing a "Main article: List of people from Iowa" link and a summary of some of the more important Iowans. --Iowahwyman (talk) 16:05, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

It looks better, but I'd get rid of the table altogether and summarize things in a paragraph or two like the Kansas article does. --Iowahwyman (talk) 18:29, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Watchlist

I just created the general format for it, the rest is up to you and/or others. I'd suggest contacting someone else for advice on automating tedious tasks somehow, not my area of expertise. Cirt (talk) 08:33, 20 December 2007 (UTC).

• Ask Scorpion or someone else, I'm not the best at adding stuff to the main project page. Cirt (talk) 17:13, 20 December 2007 (UTC).
  • Looks great, is that all the articles? Cirt (talk) 17:36, 20 December 2007 (UTC).
    • Not that interested in that article anymore, besides, they're right that it does need more sources. The older ones sometimes are easier to find sources for. Cirt (talk) 17:41, 20 December 2007 (UTC).

List of animals in The Simpsons

On behalf of all here at Wikipedia, I apologize for BetaCommand's behaviour. He should have linked you to policy (sorry, I don't even know what policy he was citing) and shouldn't have been so rude.

If you need to ask any questions, especially about the List of animals in The Simpsons discussion, place {{helpme}} on your talk page, ask your question, and someone will come along (pretty quickly) and answer. Take Care....NeutralHomer ^T:C 18:50, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

"...skiing in miami" - That one is good :)...but you are right. I wouldn't, though, let him get to you and wouldn't get angry with him...trust me, it only gives you a migraine. Take Care...NeutralHomer ^T:C 19:02, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Your problems with User:Betacommand

Ctjf, your problems with Betacommand sound like they are best resolved through the Dispute Resolution (WP:DR) process. Might I suggest you begin a Request for Mediation (WP:RFM) or post your concerns specifically regarding the Simpsons articles on the Third Opinion board (WP:3O). It appears to me that these are the next logical steps in resolving your conflict. Best of luck, CastAStone/^/(talk) 04:09, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

it's not so much I want a dispute resolved, i just want him to stop harassing me, and rvting edits that have nothing to do with him...where can i go for that? Ctjf83 ^talk 04:12, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

That's what I would recommend the Mediation process for. However, if the problem continues, and if you believe the other party is violating Wikipedia Policy, or disrupting the encyclopedia, you can attempt to start an RfC (WP:RFC), which is more or less like presenting your findings of fact to a grand jury to see if the community thinks the other party deserves punitive treatment. I would strongly recommend mediation first (WP:RFM).--CastAStone/^/(talk) 04:19, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

What about WP:AN/I? That's usually the place to post a grievance about another user, such as wiki-stalking/harassment. Make sure you include diff's.

Equazcion •✗/C • 05:18, 12/22/2007

Okay

First you write "uh, this was all my idea, so who put you in charge" as well as "next one is a 3RR warning" and then you say "why dont u ever AGF anymore, ever"? I hate to break it to you, but you're not in charge either. Both Cirt and I think that we should limit it to one quote per section, and thus you're in the minority. Why not pick a different Apu quote from a different episode? -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 03:40, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

"obviously work for the good of you, and not the project"... I can tell, after all, it's not like I ever help you out with stuff, is it? -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 03:42, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

The answer is simple: variety. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 03:43, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

What's the big deal? There are lots of great quotes we can't include because we're trying to have some variety. If I could, I'd have a half a dozen Homer, Lionel Hutz and Troy McClure quotes in there. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 04:12, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm trying to discuss this with you, and you keep attacking me and saying that arguing with me is useless? I think you need to calm down. We're just trying to have some variety amongst the characters and episodes for now, and we do have some multiple characters at the moment, but that's mostly because it's hard to find good one-liners from the later seasons, so sometimes you have to have repear characters. Read this quote from Cirt if you don't believe me. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 04:19, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

• Both of you, please stop it. The portal is currently undergoing a discussion for attaining Featured Portal status, and this bickering over a quote is not helpful, particularly at this point in time. Yes, I personally think that we should strive for variety among the quotes, avoiding multiple quotes from the same character, episode, or even season - but it's not worth it to fight about it. Try discussing the matter on a talk page somewhere, but please, don't edit war about it. Cirt (talk) 05:36, 21 December 2007 (UTC).

What is it you're asking me to do? -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 16:40, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Slipknot Peer Review

Thanks for the reply, I didn't realise it wasn't active. I just wanted as many perspectives on the article as I could and one of the first places I looked was the wikiprojects the article was under, I just thought somebody may be able to help. Anyway thanks for your reply. Rezter (talk) 19:53, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Reply

Regarding your note on my talk page, let me expand on my explanation a bit, I changed the warning left on User talk:67.168.166.3 because it was done for a revert that I had made, and I prefer to leave my own warnings, as I sometimes use custom templates to encourage editors to stop and think, they are a bit more personalized, and less "templatey". Note that you did not revert any of the Corn dog edits, [3], so yes, I did remove your level 3 following a level 1, and replace it with a non-bot, custom message, hopefully designed to get the editor to stop their nonconstructive edits. I sincerely apologize if you were offended, but I feel it is best to allow the person who reverted nonconstructive editors a chance to leave a notice, and if they do not, then yes, then I will sometimes leave a warning, and of course, that would be great for you to do as well. Additionally, the editor only made three edits to the Corn dog article, and yet you accidentally added a fourth and last warning for editing Corn dog. Now, please don't take this wrong, because I've run into you in reverts quite often, and you're awesome at RC patrol, but I've noticed that many times (in fact, a great many times), Twinkle will lead me to believe I "got" the revert, take me to the editor's talk page, but in fact, my revert never went through, due to someone else getting there first. I've made it a habit to double-check the article history in most cases, to be sure that someone else would not be leaving a warning, resulting in duplicate notices. This is what happened, I recognized it, and I'm sorry that you thought I was removing your warning, but I didn't want the editor to be double-warned. Sadly, it seems they did not heed my advice, and they did end up being blocked. :( Anyway, I just wanted to expand on that, I couldn't reply immediately at length, but wanted to clear it up! Thank you so much for understanding, Ariel♥Gold 03:17, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

You need not apologize. I fully understand, as more than once, I've had an edit conflict and thought, Hey! lol. I think it is partly my slower ISP and laggy browser, that causes Twinkle to act like that. If it doesn't happen often to you, feel fortunate! You're lucky, lol. Have a wonderful night! I'm sure we'll "dance" again soon! :D Ariel♥Gold 03:26, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Death of Borat

That you for your note on my page. Borat has officially "died." I did discuss it on the discussion page before entering it. There is also a reference in the discussion. Pls check it out and fix accordingly. QueenAdelaide (talk) 06:55, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Marvin Monroe

It's hard to tell because he conveniently hasn't said what his exact problems are, but I think it might be that the image is obviously a poorly cropped version of an official image and has no source, and no real reason why it belongs on that episode page. Your best bet would be to get a screen cap from that episode and upload it. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 04:30, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

I think I discovered the problem: "#The image meets general Wikipedia content requirements and is encyclopedic, identifying Agnes." Either way, I uploaded a screen cap. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 05:04, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Handy dandy tool for you to use in the future

{{Non-free use rationale
| Description       = 
| Source            = 
| Article           = 
| Portion           = 
| Low_resolution    = 
| Purpose           = 
| Replaceability    = 
| other_information = (optional variable, can be left out) 
}}

It's from Template:Non-free use rationale, and there is an alternate one at Template:Fair use media rationale. Cheers, Cirt (talk) 17:22, 23 December 2007 (UTC).

Pretty much. A random user did the same thing not too long ago with a "Mini stories" template. I think the Sideshow Bob one is setting a bad example, I pretty much created it because a dozen IPs were adding a list of Sideshow Bob episodes to his page, and it was threating it's GA candidacy, so I made the template. I regret that now. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 01:43, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't matter to me. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 01:52, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

HP

Where do you mean? Because the theme section uses LGBT already. If you change it anywhere I don't think it would make any sense. Gran² 20:56, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Well I don;t really mind, but LGBT is used twice in the Themes section, and its full meaning is stated, so that may be enough. Gran² 21:10, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Happy Holidays!

Dear Ctjf, may your holidays be filled with joy, love, laughter, family, friendship, and good food. Ariel♥Gold

Ariel♥Gold 21:32, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

Just like to say thanks for all your help throughout the year, and have a Merry Christmas and a happy new year! --Simpsons fan 66 23:28, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

RfA thanks

Great success! Thank you for supporting my RfA, which passed with a final tally of 53-3-2. Special thanks goes to Shalom for both the suggestion and the nomination. I'm honored by the trust that the community has shown in me, and will do my very best as an administrator. Thanks again! faithless (speak) 08:30, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

DB

Sorry, I never saw your message, had two and only saw the second one. Anyway, I'll think I'll leave it as is for now. As for Das Bus, I don't think I'm going to get around to it any time soon, so would you like to take it instead? Gran² 19:09, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! Gran² 19:31, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Web refs

The author, publisher and publishing dates are only needed if they are available. For example, for this ref, the publisher is "Quad City Times", the publishing date is "June 28 2003", the author is Thomas Geyer, and the title is "Did Mass Mound save Davenport again?". For this ref, the title is "Davenport & Rock Island: America's Most Livable Small Cities" and the publisher is "DavenportOne". Epbr123 (talk) 20:05, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

The Davenport article will need to give a brief summary of the "sports" and "media" info given in the Quad Cities sections. Epbr123 (talk) 20:15, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Re

I'm busy with other things right now, but if I can find the time, I'll try to do it. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 20:31, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

I'll take a look at it tomorrow. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 05:28, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

What Scorpion said, sorry, busy at the moment, will try to look into what you asked me in a few hours. Cirt (talk) 19:58, 30 December 2007 (UTC).

Nevermind, I gave some comments at the talk pages and the user's talk page. Cirt (talk) 20:13, 30 December 2007 (UTC).

IGN or BBC or whatever may not know more than we do, but we can use them as a cite/secondary source in whatever article, and attribute the info to that source: "IGN notes that this song is a reference to..." But we cannot put that in the article ourselves, that is WP:OR. Cirt (talk) 20:21, 30 December 2007 (UTC).

I know what you mean. But that's the Wikipedia way. And it makes sense to hold tight to sourcing. Cirt (talk) 20:34, 30 December 2007 (UTC).

• No. Best to have that stuff attributed to a source instead of just saying it yourself. Cirt (talk) 20:38, 30 December 2007 (UTC).
  • Okay. Cirt (talk) 20:43, 30 December 2007 (UTC).

marge

then why not state all? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.46.200.134 (talk) 23:57, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

SD question

hello, I was just getting ready to put G2 as the reason for "Marco Candelaria". would that have worked as a reason too, or not? Ctjf83 ^talk 04:11, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Hmm - yes - G2 probably would have been a better criteria. The page was rather "test" like. Thanks. - CosmicPenguin (Talk) 19:08, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Merge

Actually, there's a spot for that on the to do section. Also I'm probably going to start a merge discussion section soon, because I think it's time we focus on getting all of our character pages so they pass WP:FICT guidelines. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 21:35, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Das Bus

Just to clarify, I'm not doing a GA review of the article. For point #3, the way the sentence is constructed is ambiguous: "According to Mike Scully, this scene was regrettably deleted due to the episode being too long". The placing of "regrettably" is unusual. If it is indeed Scully that regrets the deletion of the scene (which I see the sentence does lean towards), perhaps something like "The scene was deleted for timing reasons, which Scully regrets" would be better. Brad (talk) 21:17, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

No, I don't do GANs. I'd be too harsh on most TV articles! Brad (talk) 21:23, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Okay, like okay, I'll take a quick look at the article as far as GAC standards. Cirt (talk) 00:14, 31 December 2007 (UTC).

•  Done, provided my 2 cents on the talk page. That was not the actual GA Review, just my comments on how it stacks up to the GA Criteria. Cirt (talk) 01:02, 2 January 2008 (UTC).
  • I'll see if I can find more mention in other sources, but if I recall it was difficult lookin on that one. Cirt (talk) 06:41, 3 January 2008 (UTC).

Warnings for 168.10.148.5

I've noticed 2 warnings from you on the talk page for this IP. This IP belongs to a school district and the offending edits to which you referred could have been made by any of thousands of students or staff. Banning this IP would ban an entire school district from using Wikipedia. I apologize for whoever vandalized the pages, but I would ask that you keep this in mind and please do NOT ban this IP. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.10.148.5 (talk) 20:09, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Das Bus: GAN

Hey, I'll be reviewing Das Bus for it's GA status, but I have one minor comment which barely warrants putting the article on hold, but can you add a reference to the plot? For an example, see the bottom of the plot section of Family Guy GA Blind Ambition. Once this has been done, I will pass the article as a GA. Cheers, Qst 23:19, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for your quick response. Other than the one addresses issue, I can see no problems with the article and thus, I'm passing it. I have an article at GAN and there is currently a long backlog (going into November), so would you mind giving an honest review for an article of mine? Cheers, Qst 12:38, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Hey, I meant there is a long backlog on the general television section, not for the article review its self, but if you do decide to review one, you can pick which ever you want, its completely up to you :) Qst 20:30, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

No, that review was good, spelling isn't my best subject, but I do try :). Anyway, I've addressed the concerns you raised, all except for the reception, its a real bummer how these episode get no reception compared to The Simpsons and the like, but I have to make do with what very small (sometimes none) reception information I have. So, the article is ready for your input :) Qst 13:34, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Done :). Qst 19:16, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

invite to Simpson's group

Thank you for the invite, but my account has been banned by fascist admins who simply delete, ban and lock rather than consider debate and consensus. I refuse to make a new account on this account and protest by editing anonymously and often by proxy. I don't remember what Simpsons articles I edited, if you were happy with the edits, I guess they were ok seeing as how it looks like you and your buddies are pretty much Simpsons aficianados. Glad I could contribute something constructive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.100.9.83 (talk) 14:26, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Screenshot

Oh, no, don't worry, I have Season 9. How else do you think I took the screenshots of all the episodes I GA'd? :P xihix(talk) 06:34, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Haha, thank you :). xihix(talk) 06:40, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

I think I might add it back for the FA nomination later, but I want to see what Cirt says (since he is the FA episode guy). I also wanted to wait for his call, as the episodes usually would need a free use image, and this one has none, so having two non free use ones would uhh... Well, I'm rambling on, I think you get my point. xihix(talk) 06:50, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

GA reviews

Yeah, I've reviewed quite a few articles. I was a common reviewer back in February of 07, and I recently reviewed a bunch too. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 04:59, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

I'll take a look, but it's not that hard, just compare the article against the criteria listed at WP:GAC. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 05:08, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Looks like a good review to me. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 05:49, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

You mean like the one for the Hidden Message Vandal? Nah, this guys harmless because he always does the same stuff. Just keep his favourite targets on watch and you'll get him every time. However, if he's still around in a month, then maybe we should consider it. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 04:37, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Once one IP gets blocked, he comes back with another one, so I don't think longer blocks will stop him. The only thing it might do is get him blocked quicker, but he's actually a lot easier to detect if he keeps coming back with the same IP. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 05:05, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Some do, most don't. We just use British spellings on some words for some reason. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 05:13, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Not really. Newfoundlanders usually have an accent, but that's about it. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 05:16, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

No idea, I'm just going to wait and let someone else tackle it. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 01:12, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

I've got work to do, so not right now. Usually Sup3rior handles the plots and then it gets cleaned up from there. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 02:21, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Re: E. Pluribus Wiggum

I don't know if you have much experience outside American borders, but I have lived many years in Europe and many people only have a vague idea who that is. Many people will tell you the same thing. Just like somebody from the UK might know their minister of health and think it's obvious, but we won't have a clue. For example: The last Simpson episode made a reference to Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind which I found obvious because I am somewhat familiar with US cinema, you didn't understand the reference. If I wasn't familiar with US politics, I would not have understood the Clinton reference. Maybe a Star Trek fan will say that that reference is obvious while I might not have a first clue what they're talking about. Just leave the citation needed, it will encourage people to find sources which shouldn't be that hard to find. No not everything needs sources but I think this does.--The Dominator (talk) 05:20, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough, but the citation is there to verify that the episode was referencing it, not to prove that it exists.--The Dominator (talk) 05:38, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

What are you talking about?--The Dominator (talk) 06:18, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Well after communism fell people were generally more patriotic and since the two countries don't even speak the same language (although very similar) the people decided to split. Well actually the politicians decided to split, but the people supported it, especially Slovakians. It was also believed that the political stability of the countries would be better after the downfall of the communist regime. Personally I would have waited a few years before splitting since it would help the economy recover faster, plus it would get us a better hockey team! :)--The Dominator (talk) 06:57, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Two different languages yes, but generally a Czech carry a fluent conversation with a Slovakian, possibly some Czechs born after 1990 might have a bit of difficulty since Slovakian network television is not broadcast into the Czech Republic, but CZech network is broadcast in Slovakia. The national anthem of CzechoSlovakia was actually pretty funny since it was two completely different songs stacked on top of each other.--The Dominator (talk) 14:59, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

I moved the page because IMDB had corrected its title, which must have happened after that discussion. New (not clearly copied) sources now reflect the 'correct' spelling. Anyway, is there a joke I'm missing in the 'E.' version? If not, why would it be spelled that way? Joehaer —Preceding comment was added at 08:04, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, you're right, if we see them then it isn't necessary.--The Dominator (talk) 20:56, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

I dunno, I was just being dumb, however, the previous article had an obvious title reference that was definitely not coincidental yet you didn't understand it, btw great episode especially the first half, I think the Simpsons are getting their satirical element back!--The Dominator (talk) 22:56, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Reception

Can I ask you something, what do you type into Google to get reception for The Simpsons's episodes, I go through loads of pages, but can't find anything for Family Guy articles. Qst 21:26, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Lost Our Lisa

Good job. Cirt (talk) 19:32, 8 January 2008 (UTC).

Reply 2.0

What exactly is it you want done? -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 19:41, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

• Nobody exepcts the Spanish Inquisition

• This is an Ex-Parrot

Try that. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 19:48, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

No idea, you could try a table I suppose. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 20:05, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

I am, but I'm also waiting for Zagalejo to take a look at it. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 20:14, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

THey've said in several commentaries that he did first appear in Moaning Lisa, which is why I hadn't changed it. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 20:18, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Re: Question (from Edit counters page)

Can anyone tell me why Kate's tool edit count is just over 100 less than my edit count in "my preferences"? Which is more accurate? Ctjf83 ^talk 09:44, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Your edit count in your preferences includes contributions that have been deleted, like from pages that have been deleted or from specific edits you made that had information that needed to be removed from the history for legal reasons. Kate's tool only includes edits still on Wikipedia. --rm 'w avu 11:40, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Sig

It's black for me, I'm not sure, but I recall it being like that for a while. No idea what's casuing it though, weird. Gran² 15:55, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

The one you just used is rainbow, but the one from the message right before is still black. Gran² 16:16, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

What's different with the new History of Davenport, Iowa article

Nothing in terms of content is different, now. But the history can now be expanded without further problems of undue weight, which I think is a problem with the Davenport, Iowa article. I don't have a strong opinion on this, and if you do, I won't object to a merge back into the Davenport article. I thought there was some Manual of Style problem with sections that were too long, but I just checked and there isn't. I knew I had read something about that though, and I found it here at WP:UNDUE (part of WP:NPOV:

Undue weight applies to more than just viewpoints. Just as giving undue weight to a viewpoint is not neutral, so is giving undue weight to other verifiable and sourced statements. An article should not give undue weight to any aspects of the subject, but should strive to treat each aspect with a weight appropriate to its significance to the subject. Note that undue weight can be given in several ways, including, but not limited to, depth of detail, quantity of text, prominence of placement, and juxtaposition of statements.

I think it's too long a section of the Davenport, Iowa, article, but I don't feel strongly about it. Now that I look at this paragraph, it really seems like a style point stuck in a guideline about bias, so I can't feel strongly about it. I thought that no one would object (I've done this before and no one did.) It's also a good spot to put the List of mayors of Davenport, Iowa, which currently is undergoing an AfD. So I'm sorry you don't like it, and do what you will with it. Best wishes, Noroton (talk) 04:42, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Oh, believe me, I didn't mean to make it seem like I was taking any credit for it at all. I should have said in the initial edit summary "creating this article from history section of Davenport, Iowa article". That's what you're supposed to do -- and actually I just now went ahead and did it. No, I don't have any interest in adding to it, I've got my hands full with stuff to do here in Connecticut. I read through the section/article, and I think you did a great job with it. If I ever get around to uploading postcard pictures from ebay again, maybe I'll look for an appropriate one for Davenport (the ones published before 1923 in the U.S. are all copyright free, and there are dozens of them for a place the size of Davenport). Noroton (talk) 05:27, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

No, I don't think that should be done. The article is 8.3 kilobytes long already, it's got at least two independent, reliable sources and already works quite well as a separate article. The section in the Davenport, Iowa article is too long and too detailed (although since the article itself isn't that long, there's no hurry, but at some point someone's going to want to cut back the section to make room for other subjects). In time the two texts will diverge. I created the article because I thought it was a good idea, and I still do, so I'm not going to try to delete it -- I just won't object if you nominate it or suggest a merger. I think it also is a good fit with the list of mayors, which could also be useful to readers (although I don't think it's encyclopedic as an article subject). Noroton (talk) 05:37, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

No, I'm nowhere near Iowa. Actually, I drove through it once a few years back. Looked a bit like my home state of Connecticut (at least more than Nebraska and Illinois did). Are you familiar with uploading pictures? I can help this way: If you want to pic out a few no-copyright pics on the Web (anything published before 1923 in the U.S.) I can upload it and put it in the article for you, either singly or as part of a gallery of pics. Then you could move them around and resize them as you think best when the article grows. I found some interesting ones, but since you're the one who's more familiar with Davenport, you would know whether they're more or less appropriate, so you should pick 'em. Here are some links to the ones I found. If you want them, I'll upload them. Just give me the word:

• [4] the pic, and here's the context (from an old Harper's Weekly article, scroll down about one third of the way down the page): [5] (caution: this page takes a little while to load)

• Here's a couple of panoramic views, but I don't know if they're useful (click on the pic to get the full size): [6]

• These are NOT the ideal size (you almost always want more pixels, more detail for these images), but they seem like they might be useful: [7]

• You might want to check out pictures from this search: [8]

Tell me what you think. Oh, also, I could add some external link to the local history society. The Library of Congress also has old pictures of everything, certainly including something in Davenport. Noroton (talk) 22:15, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Can do. If the image is published before '23, if the author is dead 100 years or if its a U.S. government pic, it's ours. I can't do it immediately, but I'll get them up. Noroton (talk) 22:39, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Davenport

The Notable Natives and the Points of interest sections are looking good. Good examples of how to write media sections include Cleveland, Ohio#Media, Grand Forks, North Dakota#Media and Manchester#Media. There are guidelines on how to write city articles at WP:UKCITIES and WP:USCITY. Epbr123 (talk) 01:25, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

• Call it "Neighborhoods" and have it as a subsection of geography. Epbr123 (talk) 22:34, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
  • The section would only need to be a couple of paragraphs. If its much more than that, it will require its own article. So there's no need to go into detail about every neighbourhood, just a few of the more interesting ones. Epbr123 (talk) 23:13, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
    • I'm afraid the section is too long. I recommend moving the content to Neighbourhoods of Davenport, Iowa, and then giving a summary of the article in the Davenport article. The Neighbourhoods of Davenport, Iowa article wouldn't be far from Good Article level. Epbr123 (talk) 20:48, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
      • The relevant guideline is Wikipedia:Summary style. Epbr123 (talk) 20:57, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
        • The content is excellent, although more citations are needed. Epbr123 (talk) 21:04, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
          • Some sections are still too brief, and the neighbourhoods, events and natives sections need more citations. Epbr123 (talk) 23:48, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
            • There will need to be proof that each person lived in Davenport. The events section is now fine but if 2007 saw the 35th consecutive festival, in which two years wasn't it held? Epbr123 (talk) 02:49, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Their wiki page will only be proof enough if it contains a citation for the fact they lived in Davenport. Epbr123 (talk) 03:00, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

• Each web reference needs the author, publisher, publishing date and access date. Once that is done, I think it was be ready for a GA nomination. It will also help if the Sports section could be expanded by a couple of sentences. Epbr123 (talk) 00:23, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Also, there shouldn't be anything in the lead not mentioned in the rest of the article. Most of the info on flooding belongs in the Geography section rather than the lead. Epbr123 (talk) 00:51, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
    • A brief mention of the city's history, such as how and when the city was founded, will need to be included in the lead. This might not be needed for GA, but the article will eventually need an Economy section with info on businesses, industries and shopping centres in the city. Epbr123 (talk) 01:31, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
      • The leads need expanding in both History of Davenport, Iowa and Neighborhoods of Davenport, Iowa. Also, you'll need to look in other sources to see if any further info could be added to Neighborhoods of Davenport, Iowa. Epbr123 (talk) 01:53, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
        • It will need to be about twice the length. Leads should usually be about a fifth of the length of the main text. Epbr123 (talk) 02:35, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
          • I meant it would need to be at least twice the length. Three or four paragraphs would be ideal. Epbr123 (talk) 02:47, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Re: Improper signings

Sorry, I'm new to wikipedia, and though I want to be a successful contributor, I am still learning my way around. Thanks for the heads up! Mgraham1985 (talk) 20:32, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

You told me not to put my username in the article. Any help with wikipedia, no matter how small is appreciated. Mgraham1985 (talk) 22:09, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! I'll keep that in mind next time I have a question to ask!Mgraham1985 (talk) 00:12, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Iowa?

Yes! I do. Live in Iowa that is. Matt Yohe (talk) 08:21, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

My hometown is Council Bluffs, but I go to school at the University of Iowa. Yeah, I would love to clean some of these up. My Wikifoo is not strong yet, I just haven't spent enough time to get really fluent. Contact me sometime: AIM: MCharlesYohe or email/gtalk: matt.yoheATgmail.com . —Preceding unsigned comment added by Matt Yohe (talk • contribs) 08:32, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Reply 3.0

It's worth a try but having Kill Gil unlocked means that he'll vandalize it and thus give himself away every time. If we block all of his targets, he won't be as easy discover. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 04:59, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure. Perhaps you should ask on the drive talk page so we can determine what to work on. I know there has been interest in the Simpson family, season 1 (again) and season. With the recent episode related discussions, perhaps we should pick a season, although I really would like to move on to characters. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 01:57, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Only if there are a lot. If only a few characters debut, then they can be mentioned in the production section (and maybe even the lead if it's a notable character). -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 04:21, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I think Nancy Cartwright said it in her autobiography, but I've never read it so I'm not sure. However, it does need a proper cite. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 19:16, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I know in one commentary Kavner jokingly denies it, but in another one of the producers mentions it. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 00:02, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

[9] It's also mentioned in depth in the beginning of Planet Simpson, I'll try and get something from that eventually. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 00:07, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

[10] -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 00:16, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

It's mentioned at the very beginning of the book. In the first few pages, the author describes his experience watching it in a crowded bar. It's not much, but he has some comments that might be useful. He says "By the standards of The Simpsons Golden Age - Roughly early 1992 to mid-1997 - this was not an extraordinary episode. This was par for the course." There are some others that might be useable. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 00:31, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

IRC

Well, I haven't used XChat in a loooong time, so I'm not really sure how it's interface is now. But, generally, once you are on the main black box (if it's still that color), type "/server freenode" without the quotes into the message box, and press enter. Once it connects, it may or not prompt you to join a channel (again, haven't used it in a while). If it does, type #wpsimpsons. If not, type "/join #wpsimpsons" without the quotes. xihix(talk) 01:06, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Hmm. Ok, instead, type "/server chat.freenode.net" without the quotes, and then "/join #wpsimpsons" without the quotes once you're connected. xihix(talk) 01:15, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Re: Das Bus

No problem! I'm still fairly new and trying to be as clear as I can with grammar/verbage when writing articles. :) -PMK —Preceding unsigned comment added by Prettymaryk (talk • contribs) 03:17, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Are you up for it?

I was having a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject The Simpsons/Featured topic Drive and I'd love to participate. Unfortunately, I don't have any The Simpsons DVD's, but I'd love to bring an article up to FA. I'd be willing to do all the work, and we could do it together, as a team. Are you up for it? If you are, we can start whenever you're ready :) Qst 16:35, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Mh, maybe do one from fresh as if it is at GA status, chances are that it has all the information possible in it. So, maybe its best to start one from fresh. How about Marge on the Lam - thats one I'm going to start work on, would that one be okay? Qst 17:41, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Do you, by any chance, have the DVD for The Simpsons season 5, as in order to build up a good production and cultural references section, we will need a DVD commentary, so - just wondering if you have it so we can build it up as a team. Qst 17:50, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Re: Davenport

No, I don't live in Iowa. I do clean up pages on potentially notable topics. CitiBus popped up on the uncategorized page list and needed work. • Gene93k (talk) 19:23, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Iowa Democratic caucuses, 2008 peer review

Hello there! It's a pleasure to meet you. A peer review is a process in which several editors will examine an article and provide recommendations for its improvement. I'm a relatively new editor here, so I really can't give you a good explanation of how things work around here. I hope this helps.--Dem393 (talk) 04:24, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I live in Illinois. I just like watching all of the primaries and caucuses. I've done plenty of work for the primaries in New Hampshire, Michigan, and Nevada as well, so I'm not favoring Iowa over any other. However, since Iowa came first, the caucus is my first priority! =) I'll be sure to talk to you if I need help!!!--Dem393 (talk) 04:35, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you so much for the help! To answer your question, PLEO delegates, or superdelegates, are members of the US Congress, not the IA Legislature. We already know who they are—there are one Democratic senator from Iowa, three Democratic representatives to the US House, and the current IA Governor happens to be a Democrat! In your opinion, is the article worthy of a good article or featured article status?--Dem393 (talk) 02:35, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. I shall submit the article for Good Article shortly.--Dem393 (talk) 04:04, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

CTC Vandal

Why not just ask for the page to be semi-protected? Cirt (talk) 21:21, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

per your post on Talk:Kill Gil: Vols. 1 & 2

we made a list here of all the IPs, what can be done at ABREP? can they block the whole company that is doing the vandalism or what? Ctjf83^talk 21:23, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Since this is coming from Telstra the largest Australian ISP, it is unlikely it will be blocked. What can be done via ABREP is the list of IPs, diffs and times can be compiled and this submitted as evidence to Telstra's abuse department. The actions of this person in repeatedly vandalising wikipedia in violation of our policies probably violate Telstra's terms of service so they will be entitled to warn or even remove his/her service. Whether they will actually do anything is a different matter. I don't know if abuse reports have ever been sent to Telstra. AFAIK, we tend to have the most success with schools and the like but a large Australian ISP is probably worth chasing up on. In any case, as it stands the list you have is probably good enough to be listed at Wikipedia:Abuse reports. However as I mentioned I think there are too many cases and not enough volunteers so the case may not necessarily get dealt with for a while if at all. You may want to read Wikipedia:Abuse reports/Guide to abuse reports to work out how to deal with it yourself (although still go thru ABREP just handle it yourself from there is best). Nil Einne (talk) 15:55, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Duffless

Busy... in a bit ... Cirt (talk) 21:05, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Re

Ha, sorry, I'll step aside for a while.--The Dominator (talk) 03:34, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

I was only fixing spelling and grammar as the episode has not yet aired here, (and won't for another twenty minutes), so I'll wait 'till I've seen it.--The Dominator (talk) 03:41, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

You go ahead, I just thought the intro was too long.--The Dominator (talk) 04:31, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

That 90's Show

If you had clicked on the link that was supplied it would be fairly obvious to you. ... discospinster _talk 03:51, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Re: History of Davenport, Iowa

GAC is not something I'm familiar with. I see you've added a lot to it. Very nice. Noroton (talk) 05:20, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Image:ChiPitts area.png

This image omits the Northern end of the ChiPitts area, which stretches up to Green Bay! --Orange Mike | Talk 17:22, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for that prompt response. The name "ChiPitts" was chosen because most folks even in France have heard of Chicago and Pittsburgh, whereas the actual termini to the East and Northwest were comparatively obscure cities by world standards. The same applies to BosWash. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:37, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Just Because

Dustihowe  Talk  has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Dustihowe  Talk  20:13, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

I thought it was cute...lol :-) I want to change my signature to be like yours, or similar, can you help me? Dustihowe  Talk  20:17, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Just like yours would be fine.....Dustihowe  Talk 

I have to go for now, I'll be back here tomorrowDustihowe  Talk 

On the Wikilove

I never did that. Someone else must be operating on this account... Besides the fact I once left this account logged in on a public compy. >_<...prepare for a wave of vadalism from this account, perhaps... M1N (talk) 20:37, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Good joke...

Three men - a New Zealand farmer, Osama bin Laden and a Aussie are all working together one day.

They come across a lantern and a Genie pops out of it. 'I will give each on you one wish, which is three wishes in total', says the Genie.

The New Zealander, 'I am a farmer and my son will also farm. I want the land to be forever fertile in New Zealand.'

POOF! With the blink of the Genie's eye, The land in New Zealand was forever fertile for farming.

Osama was amazed, so he said, 'I want a wall Around Afghanistan, Palestine, Iraq and Iran so that no infidels, Americans or Aussies or New Zealanders can come in our precious land.'

POOF! Again, with the blink of the Genie's eye, there was a huge wall around those countries.

The Aussie says, 'I am very curious. Please tell me more about this wall.'

The Genie explains, 'Well, it's about 5,000 feet high 5oo feet thick and completely surrounds the country. Nothing can get in or out; it's virtually impenetrable.'

The Aussie sits down, cracks a beer, smiles, and says, 'Fill it with water.' --Simpsons fan 66 06:43, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

CTC vandal

Just to let you know I've moved the page you made to make it into an abuse report here Wikipedia:Abuse reports/Telstra Perth range. As the user changes a large variety of Simpsons pages I don't think semiprotection is going to be particularly successful. I would suggest you tell everyone involved make sure you warn and when it continues (ask for a) block on this vandal whenever he/she crops up and ASAP. This will help ensure that if any abuse report is made, there is no chance the user can claim they weren't aware what they were doing wasn't acceptable Nil Einne (talk) 15:52, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the suggestion of the Lupin anti-vandal tool - after a few teething problems, it seems to be working now. StephenBuxton (talk) 12:32, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Re: Davenport, Iowa GA Review

In this case, the biggest issues are issues with the completeness criterion (e.g. lots of very short sections and lots of areas where information needs to be researched and added). As opposed to minor fixes, like copyediting or manual of style issues. So that's why it wasn't placed on hold. It doesn't really matter, does it? The article can always be renominated once the issues are addressed and the article meets the criteria. Essentially, all "B-class" articles are "on hold", right? Dr. Cash (talk) 20:57, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Sounds good. Dr. Cash (talk) 21:12, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

I'd take a look at WP:RS to determine what's reliable or not. It's best to stick with professional news sources (newspaper & television websites, books, journals, the US census bureau). city-data.com looks to me like it's more of a spam or linkfarm site, and I can't really find any information as to how they compile their data, where it's from, etc. It's clearly a tertiary source (collecting data from somewhere else -- and not being very open about where?), so a primary or secondary source would be much better. Try the US census bureau. Weather and climate data is available from wunderground or the weather channel. A city's own official website also has lots of links to various statistics, as does the chamber of commerce & visitor/tourist office. Dr. Cash (talk) 21:53, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

The article should have a link (at the top) to the map coordinates at maps.google.com (actually, it's several map sites). I think it's usually linked to from the geography section as well. That should be sufficient. You probably don't need to duplicate that map in the article itself. I have seen some city articles have a NASA/NOAA satellite image in the geography section; you might find an image by searching on their websites for satellite images (or a google search); can't remember the specific website right now. Not sure if you'd find a satellite image for your town though, maybe; it's not one of the larger metro areas in the country. I wouldn't worry if you can't find it though.

As far as city council members, you should at least have the mayor, vice mayor, and/or city manager (whatever's applicable). I wouldn't worry about listing every city council member, especially if it's a very large city council. If there's only 5-10 council members, though, it couldn't hurt to include them (but still optional). But each member doesn't need their own wiki article. Dr. Cash (talk) 22:55, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Pleasant Valley Township, Scott County, Iowa

Regarding your recent edits to Pleasant Valley Township, Scott County, Iowa, perhaps there is some misunderstanding... The map you removed is based on U.S. census data, as are the population figures you changed. It appears that the city of Bettendorf is within the borders of the township, which of course means that the population of the township includes the population of Bettendorf. If I have misinterpreted something here, let me know. The page on this township at City-Data.com may be helpful. Do you have some alternate source of population figures for this township? Omnedon (talk) 12:37, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Davenport, Iowa

I would be glad to help you with getting that article up to GA. However, I will warn you that I have been somewhat busy as of late and I may not be able to help very much. Sorry if this causes any problems. Captain panda 21:32, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Sioux City. Captain panda 04:23, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Timezone?

Just wondering, what timezone are you in? Eastern time (GMT -5.00 (US + Canada)), Central time (GMT -6.00 (US and Canada), or Pacific time (GMT -8.00 (US and Canada)? --Simpsons fan 66 03:19, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I downloaded this toolbar thing that has a world clock. I'm hope it will help with wikipedia editing and co-ordinating the Bill Oakley interview. --Simpsons fan 66 03:58, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Happy V-Day

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help with User:Gaborhor/Krauthammer

Dear ctjf83,

The help i am asking for is about the neutrality and the wikifying of this article, because these were the main points of the editor who tagged my article about krauthammer before i had it moved to the user subpage for furhter editing. What should i still change in your opinion to achieve neutrality and wikifiction? Gaborhor (talk) 20:20, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks very much for the advice, I have referenced the text + I reorganized the history part in one paragraph? Any other things you think I should change before I move it back to the encyclopedia? Gaborhor (talk) 10:43, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Dear Ctjf83,

Following your advice I have cleaned up the external links, included access dates, and referenced the history section. IMO Anything else necessary? Gaborhor (talk) 19:51, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Reply 3.0

Good job. I'll be on IRC later today so if you need any refs for future articles, ask me then. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 17:51, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Abuse reports/Guide to abuse reports

Sorry a bit busy. I would suggest you follow the above guide as relevant. You should be able to basically take the case through yourself. You already have a lot of the key info. From a whois, the contact point for this would be abuse@telstra.net. The thing to do from there would be improve the abuse report so it is easier for the ISP to see the problem. The guide provides some helpful tips. As it says, you should make sure you include a few examples of the vandalism, I would add some more edit diffs to the abuse report (like I did with some of the example). Once that is done, you should e-mail the ISP (although the guide says phone is best I think e-mail may be best in this case since it isn't an extremely urgent problem and for a large ISP it's probably easier for them to handle via e-mail then phone). In the e-mail to the ISP, I would emphasise that it involves multiple pages and it has been occuring for over 2 months & also emphasise the fact that the IP changes too frequently for blocks to be effective. I would also emphasise the be polite part. If you have any further queries, Wikipedia talk:Abuse reports may be helpful Nil Einne (talk) 16:48, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Basically yes. You should briefly explain what the problem is rather then just linking to the page. Whether or not an ISP will do anything about it will depend on the ISP, but they're much more likely to respond if the abuse is persistent and it's difficult for us to do anything on our side to stop it which is one reason why we only like to make reports when the abuse is persistent and when semi protecting etc won't do Nil Einne (talk) 15:23, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

abuse@telstra.net. This is from the Wikipedia:Abuse reports/Telstra Perth range page with the WHOIS results Nil Einne (talk) 15:59, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

I've made a few changes. One thing I don't recommend is something like 'Please e-mail me back with any help you can provide' since it risks coming across as demanding a response which is unnecessary and unwise. If you really do want a response say something like 'I would appreciate it if you let me know that this e-mail has been received by the correct people' or something similar. Nil Einne (talk) 17:26, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

IRC

Could you pop on when you get a moment? Thanks. :) Qst (talk) 12:46, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Hello

hoping your doing ok.....Happy Editing, Dusti^{talk to me} 17:05, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Just checking in, feel like talking? Happy Editing, Dusti^{talk to me} 18:10, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Give me a few minutes, k? I'm getting ready to go on air for news.....Happy Editing, Dusti^{talk to me} 18:55, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm here if you are. Let me know Happy Editing, Dusti^{talk to me} 18:34, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Are you here? Wanna talk? Let me know. Dusti^{talk to me} 18:24, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

You know what? Here....

		The Special Barnstar
		After looking in my edits, and seeing how nice you have been to me, and just how overall you and I have become friends, and seeing how you have seemed to taken me under your wing, I am awarding you this Special Barnstar, because you truly are a special person. To befriend someone who you don't know, and take them in and treat them as if they were a good friend of yours is just really cool, so here you go. Happy Editing, Dustitalk to me 20:09, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Reply

It's sad that people like you who accuse others of ownership issues never realize the irony that the only reason they are so upset is because they themselves have ownership issues. He's been seen in a protestant church many times, and several times since the episode. If you don't like it, take it to the talk page. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 02:29, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Signature Answer

I know that you didn't ask me the question, but the answer to your question about the font is yes, you can have any font that you wish on your signature. Right now, I am using Comic Sans. Dusti^{talk to me} 17:16, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Here is the code for my sig

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Simply substitute the font you want where I have comic sans ms. Dusti^{talk to me} 17:55, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Can you fix the issue on my talk page. I changed the whole font to comic sans, but it messed up my talk page archive box Dusti^{talk to me} 19:08, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

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Quarterlife

Please leave it as a small "q". You're right, normally proper nouns use capital letters, but if that is how NBC types it, then that is how it should be. It is in the same fashion as the small "i" for i wireless Ctjf83^talk 06:01, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for taking the time to correspond with me. NBC, a unit of General Electric Co., has many television programs with unconventional grammar. Two other GE programs that come to mind are "Amne$ia", which airs on NBC's namesake channel, and "PSYCH" on GE's USA Network. Both of the aforementioned programs have respective articles on Wikipedia.org, under the titles "Amnesia (game show)" and "Psych", respectively. A few instances of unconventional grammar on this website I am indifferent to are "iPod" and "eBay". If I had my way they would be referred to as "IPod" and "Ebay", but because a capital letter exists in the original, it is sufficient in taking the role of a capital letter. Most media can get away with leaving it lowercase because AP Style, which most media outlets use, dictates that quotation marks be placed around the titles of television series. These quotation marks draws attention to the phrase they surround, just like the proper capitalisation. With the exception of NBC's documentation, all news media have one thing in common — they capitalise the first letter of "Quarterlife" when placed at the beginning of sentences and headlines. --Henry W. Schmitt (talk) 03:24, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

So are we discussing if it should be a capital or lowercase "q" or were you just informing me of other incidences? Ctjf83^talk 07:53, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

I was merely explaining my rationale for making the change, and describing what other publications do. There is even a Wikipedia policy that agrees with me.--Henry W. Schmitt (talk) 13:46, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, I disagree with that MOS, and think it should go by how NBC writes it. Never-the-less, it's also not something I'm going to strongly defend, or even worry about now, so if you want to change it back, you can, and I will leave it Ctjf83Talk 17:38, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

I am not a fan of Wikipedia's rules either, but I'll use them to get my way. You might think i'm a politician.--Henry W. Schmitt (talk) 19:05, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

LOL, well apparently the show was crap, cause it is already canceled, so I don't care what happens on the page now! Ctjf83Talk 19:07, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi

http://www.zap2it.com/tv/news/zap-nbcpullsquarterlife,0,4836180.story

This is the source where I found out that "Quarterlife" is cancelled. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Franko1212 (talk • contribs) 18:20, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

OK, I'll try, I am quite new at this... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Franko1212 (talk • contribs) 18:25, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Dial N for Nerder

I'm not going to get a seizure over it, but it's very obvious to pretty much everybody, you'd be a minority if you say that it isn't a reference. I'd even say its more obvious than The Debarted being a reference to The Departed. Besides, most of the reviews won't even mention it as it is so blatantly apparent. The Dominator (talk) 23:57, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

I'd say, put the fact tag, because the chances of it not being added back in eventually if you delete it are slim to none. Anyway, if you feel like removing it, I'm not going to stop you. The Dominator (talk) 00:01, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

I tagged it. And it came out long before I was born too. I can't remember whether I've seen it, but I've definitely heard of it. Even if you didn't hear of it, what are the chances of the two titles being a coincidence? Maybe if it was some obscure independent film, but this is Alfred Hitchcock we're talking about! The Dominator (talk) 00:09, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Hard to tell, the Simpsons usually follow the plot if they take the title, especially in the newer episodes, maybe the episode does follow a similar plot as the film, maybe they make references to it throughout, who knows, we'll see when the episode airs. The Dominator (talk) 00:15, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm in Canada and here it doesn't air until 9:00 anyway, so I'm not sure if I'm affected. It looks like it might be a decent episode though. btw where did the plot summary come from??? The Dominator (talk) 01:28, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm gonna ask him where he got that! The Dominator (talk) 01:31, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I moved to Alberta from Ontario a few months ago (big mistake!). The vandalism on The Debarted is pretty heavy, I've asked for semi. The one persistent guy is probably going to get a block. The Dominator (talk) 01:44, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Have you ever considered nominating yourself? I'm sure you'd make it! I can nominate you if you want. It would be great to have an admin amongst the "Simpsons" editors. The Dominator (talk) 01:56, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

OK! Well good luck! Tell me when you're nominated, you have my vote. Is he seriously pending the nomination on the grounds of one AfD argument? Seems strange, not like you actually broke any policy there. PS, I don't usually look for writer/director, when does it say? The Dominator (talk) 02:02, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, we've been declined semi-protection, apparently there isn't enough recent activity (rolls eyes). The Dominator (talk) 02:08, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Well you keep an eye out for it and especially for people adding CR shit to it, especially listing songs from the episode, I like the CR where it is now, unless I see the episode and there are more obvious ones. I'm gonna take a few minute break, so watch out for it. The Dominator (talk) 02:12, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I just realized it, but I don't think what the user is adding is notable at all and episode guidelines explicitly state that songs shouldn't usually be listed. The Dominator (talk) 03:22, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

For some reason my browser doesn't open the chat thingy, maybe it's my computer or internet connection I dunno. All I know is that I'm getting a new computer, taking this one outside and breaking it apart with a baseball bat! I officially hate Netscape Navigator. The Dominator (talk) 03:29, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

The episode finally started here!!! The Dominator (talk) 03:30, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Netscape? It's a long story, I got a virus inside Internet Explorer and switched to Netscape, I'm just sitting, editing wiki and Internet Explorer shoots out fifty "Cannot Find Server" windows, so I uninstalled it, I'll probably switch to at least Firefox. The Dominator (talk) 03:36, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

I have it downloaded, but switching now would mean, changing all my settings, I'll do it tomorrow. You have Firefox? The episode is actually pretty good! Let's watch the air conditioner battle the heater LOL! Or Skinner playing basketball with Willy, "FOUL!" HAHA! Haven't seen The Departed yet, gotta watch it! The Dominator (talk) 03:43, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

What did you think of the other ones since Funeral for a Fiend? I think E Pluribus Wiggum is best and That 90's Show the worst, this one is really good though. What's your favorite ever? Mine is the one where they move to the boathouse and become the Thompsons, Cape Fear? Also the Garbage Man one. The Dominator (talk) 03:52, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I don't like All Singing, All Dancing much either, and the trilogies aren't usually that great either, but I thought that the Bible stories one was bearable. I used to not like THOH at all, but I've taken to liking them. I haven't watched much of the new ones cause I was out of the country for almost 3 years and the last one I saw was probably somewhere around #320 and then I picked up mid-19th season. I haven't seen the Towboy one though. The songs used to be good too, like See My Vest or the Garbage Man Can, great, they don't do that anymore! How far do you think they'll take it? 500 episodes you think? The Dominator (talk) 04:14, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

I can honestly say that I liked it, probably not in my top ten but good episode. I love when Homer kisses Marge and then says "That's the best kiss I've had all night....or was it?" That was the highlight of the episode for me. If you want my opinion on the fact that homosexuality played a larger role on the Simpsons, I honestly don't care, they've made gay jokes before and the stuff with Waylon Smithers went pretty far at points. I think what it did was in good taste and it was a great episode, they didn't really over-stereotype as animated shows tend to do, or do you think they did? The Simpsons aren't too politically biased, but I'd have to say that if I had to choose if they were more left or right, I'd say left, South Park is more right. I'm pretty much in the middle.The Dominator (talk) 04:27, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I don't really like the direction the character of Flanders took, first he was funny with an occasional religious joke now that's all they do, it was intented to be a joke against conservative Christians, but it's just not as funny when its so obvious, subtle humor is funnier. I've seen all the episodes you've mentioned but I admit in the last message, but I don't remember gays in a condo too well. The Homophobia thing was funny, it was great satire, the way Homer loves that guy then hates him because he discovers that he's gay, really says alot. And the mill scene is oddly hilarious, I don't usually laugh at that sort of thing, but hell! What did you think of the Simpsons movie? I thought it was pretty good, but they could've gone farther, made it longer with more subplots. The Dominator (talk) 05:42, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I noticed, hopefully we'll get it. The Dominator (talk) 05:49, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Hehe, I love how he's wearing Homer's bowling shirt from that one episode. By the way, I've notice how goddamn productive the Simpson's wikiproject is, I didn't even think it possible for a tv show to have so many FA's and GA's. What are your favorite TV shows in general. I would say

1. The Simpsons
2. Arrested Development, if you've never seen it, check it out, definitely worth it.
3. South Park/Family Guy. The Dominator (talk) 06:02, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, the right wing attitude is just a parody of how stupid and blindly loyal the Republicans are, it doesn't actually support his views although it does parody the Democrats as well. What about movies? My favorites have got to be, Star Wars original trilogy, Terminator 2, Back to the future, Raiders of the Lost Arc, Pulp Fiction, and for some comedy, the Austin Powers series. You? The Dominator (talk) 06:08, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

I like Pirates but I think they got decreasingly worse, same with Spiderman. I never really got into the Lord of the Rings but it's been a while so maybe I'll give it another chance. Personally I don't care for Will Smith and haven't seen many of his films. I haven't seen any of the gay-themed films you mentioned, would they be worth watching for a straight guy or would I just end up feeling awkward? The Dominator (talk) 06:21, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

My favorite action star has always been, by far, Arnold Schwarzenegger and my favorite action films, all the Terminator films, Commando, the Rambo films, well you know, just the shoot first, don't think at all films. I tend to enjoy Tarantino films especially Pulp Fiction and Reservoir Dogs, also Martin Scorcese my favorite of his being Taxi Driver with a young Robert De Niro. I also like Stanley Kubrick, The Shining scares the hell out of me and A Clockwork Orange just creeps me out, I tend to like films made in the 70's and 80's the most, also Sean Connery's Bond and the old Star Wars films. My favorite comedians are Jim Carrey, Adam Sandler and Mel Brooks. Well, I've got almost midnight, so I'm of to bed in a few minutes. The Dominator (talk) 06:40, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Early twenties, T2 was great, T3 gets bashed alot, but I thought it was a fun movie. Arnold is pretty much a comic sideshow in it though. I haven't been following his political career closely, I was speaking solely from Action-hero point of view. I don't exactly think that movie stars make good governors though. Who do you like in the US presidential election? Personally I'm disgusted, out of the major candidates I'd have to say Hilary, but I wouldn't vote for her even if I lived in the USA, I sort of lost hope in Democracy and capitalism. Well good night.... or happy shopping! The Dominator (talk) 06:51, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Did he really veto unions? I'm a little split on marriage to be completely honest, but civil unions should be a no brainer. I don't see why everybody can't enjoy the legal benefits of marriage The Dominator (talk) 06:58, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, I'm far from being a Christian and I hate those stupid Conservative Christians, the reason why I have some doubts is that marriage is in fact a religion related thing, and in their religion it says that gays shouldn't be married, not that I agree, but it's a tiny bit hypocritical to intrude on what they believe and that is a violation of separation of church and state. That said, I believe Christianity should change and accept gays since they are unfair to you guys, I just think that forcing them into accepting gays is a bit hypocritical. The Dominator (talk) 14:19, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

LOL, be creative, I dunno, you a sports fan at all? The Dominator (talk) 23:33, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Ha, that made me laugh. I don't know many openly gay people closely, no. I've met a few gays in my lifetime, interestingly, I don't think I've ever actually met a lesbian though. I was wondering how is it with the gaydar thing, is there such a thing? Can you actually know who's gay just by talking to them a few minutes? Also, how often do you meet like anti-gay assholes, like did you ever have to go through any shit with people like that? People I know generally are in support of gay rights and I don't know anybody that is very strongly gay, just some people who fuck around, call each other faggots and stuff like that. The Dominator (talk) 01:07, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Ahh, my computer's a little fucker, wouldn't connect to the internet properly all last night, anyway... I guess when anybody sees somebody hot their just attracted regardless of sexuality, if a straight guy sees a hot lesbian, he doesn't really care that she likes pussy. I can believe the eye contact thing, I'm not sure why we do it, but I know that subliminally I do look away after a conversation at points. Have you ever visited Europe properly? I wanna go either this summer or maybe in a few years. Italy, France, Spain, Britain, I'm a real history guy so I wanna see Milan and Venice, Paris. I've always wanted to go to Egypt, ever since I was a little kid. The Dominator (talk) 14:45, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, I'm editing Wikipedia so... no. I'm kind of glad though, I can do whatever I want. You know, I've always pictured my life as, travel the world and become rich, then marry at forty, have ten kids and just die as a rich man! Probably not going to happen, but I've always wanted to get a novel published, I'm starting to think my writing isn't good enough, I'll get better with experience hopefully. The Dominator (talk) 23:19, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Did you see that fuck? Unfortunately looks like they have more of a chance than I thought. The Dominator (talk) 02:38, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

I fear he's going to be endorsed by Bush in an attempt to discredit Obama. Let's hope Bush's word is worth as much as his approval ratings. The Dominator (talk) 03:36, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and is Huckabee like a reincarnation of Richard Nixon? They look so much alike. The Dominator (talk) 03:56, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

That's the thing though, Bush has lost support even among the Republicans and McCain was never in 100% agreement with the Bush administration. I'm no expert on American politics, but is it really standard practice for the leaving president to endorse the candidate? Did Clinton endorse Gore? By the way, did you support Clinton, I kind of liked the guy, wish America had another president similar to him. The Dominator (talk) 04:03, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Let's hope so, I think his war support might hurt him, but it looks to me like rather than playing "we're better than you", they'll be playing, "you're worse than us". As a side note, you were still into girls at 16? When did you actually know a 100% that you're gay? And I have sort of a stupid question, do you ever have heterosexual thoughts like straight men have gay thoughts sometimes, I've even heard that every straight man has at some point thought something about a man, even if it's something stupid like walking down the street and a random thought goes... "Holy crap that man has a tight ass! He must work out and...wait a goddamn second!" I was wondering if gays have that sort of thing. The Dominator (talk) 04:23, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Thoughts like the example I gave, truthfully, yes. I think most guys have, btw, I'd probably never admit that talking face to face, but I've known many straight guys who are really open an admit that they have, damn, now I wish I hadn't said anything lol! I haven't tried the Firefox chat and am still using that bloody Netscape, I've just tried Firefox now and it shows me an error message when it starts, might have to download it again. Furthermore I have to get a new computer, mine has seemingly incurable viruses, all because of, ahem, my friend, downloading porn. The Dominator (talk) 04:38, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Nah, I don't like to post pics on the net. So the next Simpson episode is airing next week again? Why do they air three in a row out of nowhere? Do you think N For Nerder is going to be a good one, I kind of doubt it's going to be as good as the Debarted. The Dominator (talk) 05:11, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

No, I don't really feel comfortable having pics up for some reason. Generally I'm 6'1" 185Lbs, blue/green eyes, dark long hair with fading blonde highlights (pretty crappy at the moment, I might just shave my head soon). The series was best at the beggining in season two, I actually have not seen most episodes between seasons 15 and 18 so I'll have to go back and rewatch them. What was the last season that came out on DVD? Do you use the DVD commentary as a source for episode articles often? The Dominator (talk) 05:24, 6 March 2008 (UTC)