User talk:DankJae/Archives/2022/June

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Hi, I have been here for years haha. However, thank you nonetheless, those links will be of great help, and I hope you continue distributing cookies :) To be honest, if those cookies are still edible let alone warm since I joined, then they're magical... or hard as a rock. :D – DankJae (talk) 00:44, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

I have sent you a note about a page you started

Hello, DankJae

Thank you for creating Wrexham County Borough Museum.

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✠ SunDawn ✠ (contact) 02:24, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

@SunDawn: thanks, happy editing to you too :) DankJae 02:32, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

List of Welsh people who have declined a British honour

Perhaps you would consider taking further part in the discussion following additional comments? ThanksTitus Gold (talk) 12:11, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Titus Gold, thanks for the prompt, unfortunately (from your position), I won't be changing my position (as of now). Those Welsh people listed do not have distinguishable reasons than the other peoples in the United Kingdom who have declined awards from the same honours system, in my opinion. Therefore having one main list is simpler. You could help improve the articles St David Awards (a informal Welsh award system) or (apparently honours of) Gorsedd Cymru (which has an annual honours list such as in 2019). Note you have been suspected of canvassing, if you are to notify other editors do it from a Neutral Point of View and notify a wide variety of editors who may support, be neutral, or oppose the article. You could add a section at relevant WikiProjects Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Wales, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject United Kingdom or Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Orders, decorations, and medals (best to do all three) or similar articles talk pages, if you want more editors in the discussion. I've noticed you have since reworded you original comment. Many Thanks – DankJae 22:04, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

No problem. Thanks for your reply. I'm still learning the odd thing on Wikipedia and how to go about things, so appreciate your guidance. Titus Gold (talk) 23:10, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

I am still learning too tbh, I have only recently started to participate in discussions. I too made mistakes at the beginning. Just make sure you're open to consensus and okay with not always getting your way. Happy editing :) – DankJae 00:18, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Welsh Independence

I thank you for your edits on Welsh Independence but felt that some of the deletions lost some valuable context. I agree that summarizing is important but maintaining context is also important, in this case, the context of the laws in medieval Wales and devolution etc. which paved the way for increased support for independence in 2015-2022 period. Please feel free to make further imporvements but seperate edits so that not all your work is undone if some edits are not agreed with. Thanks!Titus Gold (talk) 00:24, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Titus Gold:; thank you for your contributions to the article thus far, however I do believe the history section was too detailed on the history of Wales. Details such as the last battles I deemed unnecessary. Nonetheless, I've seen you have summarised the content to a level I would accept. I agree that medieval laws and devolution are important to the overall understanding of the article, but detail should be for their own articles. More details should be for the independence movement, the story of pro-independence parties, and recent developments. I would also suggest you read Wikipedia:Hatnote (and my comment on your talk page) as this article has hatnote errors, which my corrections were reverted (unstandably due to a large edit). Having Welsh Independence alike to the Scottish independence article would be ideal, that has history but focuses on the movements. I will partially restore my edits, aside the my large edits to the history section. Many Thanks – Dank · Jay (talk) 07:21, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks very much for your reviews and guidance over the last few weeks/months. Titus Gold (talk) 23:09, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Titus Gold no problem, I understand many of your edits have been the source of discussion. Many of your contributions I believe are in good faith and are accurately referenced. However, many are of political, controversial and divisive subjects, therefore other editors will be more likely to point out the Neutral Point of View policy.

I would like to add, to my previous comment on the Welsh Independence article, that the history is actually somewhat necessary to avoid WP:RECENT (when an article is more focused on recent events rather than an overview) but the section should be more about the history of the movement and a overview of the political independence of medieval Wales (in my opinion), rather than how exactly Wales was conquered to the minor details (but ofc since then you have reduced it to a satisfactory extent).

Tbh, I've only been committed to Wikipedia over the last year or two so am considered a "newbie" too in many regards. Even every now and then I learn of a Wiki Policy I was unaware of and quickly implement it. But I usually go for simpler and localised (Clwyd) articles that are not really controversial. I do advise to take great care with politically divisive or very highly-viewed articles. In regards to the Wales article, it is a Good article, and you have to make sure your (major) edits also comply with the Good article criteria.

I see you edited my draft here, and it remains there for now as I aim for a neutral and at least impartial article. Many Thanks – DankJae 00:10, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Yes, a large proportion of the articles I've edited or created are national topics and as you said include some political aspects. I will be more careful in future to ensure every edit is as balanced as possible on good articles.

I have been considering cutting down on some of the history on such articles as Welsh devolution and moving some of the content to history-focused articles.

Yes, I agree that the draft article should be neutral. I am happy to continue helping you with this and I will follow your lead on it. I have created all the Wales-related articles that I felt were lacking, so your draft would be a good project for me to join if that's ok. Titus Gold (talk) 00:39, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi, you have definitely created very notable Wales-related articles, especially Welsh devolution (I even planned to make it myself on my to-do list but you have defintely done better than I would have) and I appreciate that. In terms of history, I agree details should be in their own articles, with a summary in related articles (i.e. devolution). If you are going to change some long-standing articles (or high quality articles) relating to (moving) details on history, maybe start a discussion on their talk pages to avoid another editor disagreeing and reverting it. Although you can WP:Be bold but be prepared to defend your edits if other disagree, even sometimes by me. Happy editing :) – DankJae 00:48, 28 June 2022 (UTC)