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Apparent sock engaging in edit warring, disruption, original research, probable COI

Hey Drmies, I thought an admin ought to have eyes on this: while doing some pending changes reviews a few moments back, I reverted an edit by a user (their first made after registering) at Balloon boy hoax. The article has apparently been page protected because of persistent efforts to shape the narrative of the article such as to provide a more sympathetic view to the subjects of that article; looking at the edit history, it seems this is just the latest in a number of SPAs (which I would suspect are COI editors as well) making similar edits recently, a sockmaster apparently jumping from one new account to another, making a single edit which gets promptly reverted, and then trying the same trick a few weeks or a month later. In this case I reverted (without yet being aware of the history described above) because the "sources" in question were youtube videos that did not pass RS muster, and it was clear that this was likely to be a controversial change. I then immediately received a hostile PA on my talk page from the editor in question: [1], followed by another bizarre edit which I can only assume was an oblivious effort to hide their tracks [2]. This looks like blatant socking, likely by a COI editor--but in any event, involving disruption and CIR issues. Not sure if it will go anywhere, given how little sticking power the efforts under previous accounts have had, but I thought I'd bring it to someone's attention all the same. Snow ^{let's rap} 06:06, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Ooops, sorry to trouble you, Longhair has already observed the matter. Thanks for the quick response, Longhair. Snow ^{let's rap} 06:10, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

It's been years since I looked at it--what a mess. Glad the problem is taken care of. Thanks to Longhair as well. Drmies (talk) 15:14, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

The second hot air balloon related thread on your talk page in recent days! Perhaps it is the way forward! See Hybrid Air Vehicles HAV 304/Airlander 10 although, with almost all of its flights ending in crashes -- none mentioned in the lede -- perhaps it isn't the way forward! MPS1992 (talk) 21:49, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Wow, I didn't know that was such a happening thing. The See also list was enlightening. Drmies (talk) 00:24, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, after looking into the matter some, I discovered that there's a sockmaster who has been consistently pushing a conspiracy theory that the balloon boy's father was actually the victim of prosecutorial fraud/police harassment/a media cover up/mass delusion in the general populace. I usually don't leap to the assumption of COI even with persistent disruption from socks, but some of the idiosyncracies in how these socks describe the man and his "plight" make it hard to escape the suspicion. In any event, I gave up adding up all of the socks (which are mostly used for one to four edits and then dropped like a hot potato) after finding more than a dozen (there's also a vast number of IPs being used for one or two edits each, with generally identical edits and talk arguments to those being pushed by the registered socks). I only had to go back a couple of years in the article and talk history to find that many, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's been going on for much longer, given how consistent the pattern is. Just to be pro active/pro forma about things, I opened an SPI; honestly I don't know how much practical good it will do, since the sockmaster is clearly quite happy to keep jumping from IP to IP, generating a ceaseless stream of accounts, but at least blocking the known accounts will make the level of disruption/POV pushing obvious on the talk page and edit history, especially for those users with the "blocked accounts stricken out" gadget active. It could also help if the editors maintaining the article need to request extension of the page protection, which I suspect they may have to do indefinitely, given the persistence of this individual. Snow ^{let's rap} 03:39, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

I don't think that SPI will do very much, for reasons you indicated. And I'm not convinced all those accounts would be from just one editor--there's plenty of internet-generated crusaders out there. The article is protected until next year, so that's something. I suggest something else--archive the talk page, and apply NOTFORUM rigorously, by reverting whatever smells of a forum post, and closing things close to forumposting down quickly. I can help do those things. Drmies (talk) 04:12, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Dead

Man I saw that edit vandals really must hate you. I really know how that feels. I don’t think your a horrible administrator. Even if you make mistakes. Vandal are peices of shit. You know I just hope that you don’t get attacked here. A.R.M. 02:07, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

• It's all in a day's work. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 02:08, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

I get that you know I’m reverting even if users and ClueBot beat me first. I’ll continue fighting my vandals and hope you block more idiots. Cheers A.R.M. 02:11, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Cynthia Lenige

On 8 November 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Cynthia Lenige, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Frisian poet Cynthia Lenige died in 1780 at age 24, her work being published two years after her death? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Cynthia Lenige. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Cynthia Lenige), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Alex Shih (talk) 00:01, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Dominik Bartmanski

It's a different article now. Check out the reviews here. Do you feel it has improved enough for you to withdraw your nomination? Philafrenzy (talk) 11:10, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

• Thank you Philafrenzy; that's a nice list and it suggests notability for the book. The person, that's another matter (and I see you added the subject's journal articles, which is a feature of resume-style articles), and I think this should be brought up at the AfD, where User:Piotrus has already commented. Drmies (talk) 15:13, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

All academic bios should include the subject's publications including journal articles or a sample if they are numerous. It's a standard feature of such articles. Philafrenzy (talk) 20:20, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

No they shouldn't, and no it's not. That's what academia.edu is for. And tenure applications. Drmies (talk) 00:22, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

All bios certainly should include the subjects books and articles (selected if numerous). You won't find many that don't. Philafrenzy (talk) 09:55, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

• Philafrenzy is now edit-warring to include mention of an unpublished book, cited only to the publisher's promotional blurb. Softlavender (talk) 09:45, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

• As the author of "Sociological implications of 19th-century [a certain industrial application of paint technology]", I recognise the use of sociological jargon to investigate a niche that nobody else is writing about. In my day it was Dutch sociologists hanging around in public lavatories, and ethnomethodologists logging conversations with the differently gifted in minute detail. Delete it; if he's any good he's going to write something else. "Sociological implications of the demise of the Minidisc" perhaps. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 11:05, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

• Xanthomelanoussprog, some of my best friends are sociologists. OK, some of my Facebook and Wikipedia acquaintances are sociologists. But I am not above doing a little sociologizing in my own academic work, and I'll send you an offprint when it comes out. Drmies (talk) 15:51, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

• Looking forward to it! Our tutors were at the forefront of the debate between Norbert Elias and Anthony Giddens, so we got to hear about the Dutch scene. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 16:04, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

• There's also the matter of a book cover image in the article, which violates WP:NFCC. Could someone please remove it? Softlavender (talk) 11:22, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Doesn't violate anything. There is significant critical discussion of the book within the article. Please make high level arguments. Don't try to degrade the article by death from a thousand cuts. Philafrenzy (talk) 11:50, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Clearly you are not familiar with WP:RFCC and our policy on book-cover image usage. They are not allowed on author articles, no matter how much "discussion" there is of the book. Softlavender (talk) 11:58, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Please link the specific page. Philafrenzy (talk) 14:11, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

I assume you refer to WP:NFC#UUI 9 "A magazine or book cover, to illustrate the article on the person whose photograph is on the cover." which is not acceptable. However, that refers to using a cover photo in place of a photo of the author. WP:NFCI 1 (cover art) states that cover art "for visual identification only in the context of critical commentary of that item" is OK. Philafrenzy (talk) 14:58, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

But really you're making another argument that doesn't support your position: if the article provides "critical commentary of that item", it's really an article about the book--which it is. Drmies (talk) 15:53, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

It only matters that there is sufficient critical commentary about the book, whether it is in a bio, an article about the book, or some other type of article. Philafrenzy (talk) 20:25, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Philafrenzy, I know you think that, but I hope the AfD shows that this is not the consensus of the editors there. Drmies (talk) 21:06, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

We are discussing just the fair use justification for the image and nothing more. The AFD is irrelevant to that point. I am saying that to justify the fair use of the cover, there just needs to be critical commentary. That commentary doesn't have to be in a book article, it can also be in a bio or some other sort of article. Philafrenzy (talk) 21:32, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

No, there needs to be critical commentary about the cover, which there is not. Here is a very rare instance of the use of a media cover in an article (an FA) other than the article about the item it is the cover for: The Beatles#Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, because there is critical commentary about the cover. -- Softlavender (talk) 02:28, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Wait, what, there's a discussion related to record collecting and I'm not invited? Now I'm really ticked, so delete Wikipedia. If that argument fails, It would appear the book is notable based on the several academic reviews, but the author is not yet notable. Perhaps the title could be changed to the book, since the article is mostly about the book anyway, and of course the redirect could be left. It is useful information and I'd like to see it WP:PRESERVEd. Just a thought. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 16:08, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, User:78.26--I'm also trying to prepare for class. Yes, a book about records, and apparently it's really cool. I'm mostly completely with you, though Softlavender had an argument against leaving a redirect, but things being as they are that went right over my head. Please weigh in at the AfD so we can (I think) do right by the book (and thus the authors'/editors' work) and by Wikipedia. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 16:18, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Maithripala Sirisena

Would you please take a look at this article on the current President of Sri Lanka? Dubious editing with Maithripala Sirisena (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs). MaithriWiki added content about Sirisena: He is regarded as the instigator of Sri Lanka's 2018 Constitutional Crisis. Also ButterflyLegion - Added a section on Sirisena's homophobic remarks from November 5 2018 I notice that 4 refs are DailyMirror. @C.Fred: reverted a removal as did I. Thank you Jim1138 (talk) 05:58, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

I opened an ANI ticket as another such article came up: wp:ANI#Maithripala Sirisena & Angajan Ramanathan Jim1138 (talk) 09:47, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

You managed to attract two sharp admins with your ANI post, so I'd say the case is in good hands. Thanks for your diligence, Drmies (talk) 15:39, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

My Wifi's IP has been blocked

Hi Drmies, my Wifi's IP address - 157.48.111.3 has been blocked by you. I can only use my Wifi for internet inside my home. Please whitelist me on my Wifi's IP address if possible. SriHarsha Bhogi (talk) 10:43, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

• Sorry but I don't understand. You're editing now. Logged-in editors are not prevented from editing on that range. Drmies (talk) 02:18, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Sorry for the late reply. I was logged-in but still was not able to edit. BTW, I was on my mobile data while I was adding this section to your talk page. SriHarsha Bhogi (talk) 18:51, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

• Not to mention, you shouldn't be editing logged out at all. Softlavender (talk) 02:21, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Weeeeeell sometimes one is on one's phone. Like, in bed or at the traffic light. And the app doesn't allow for 2-stage signing in. Drmies (talk) 02:34, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
    • Only exceptional people have 2-factor log-in on Wikipedia. (Hoping that gets me some brownie points in case you run for ArbCom again and succeed, and I am brought to the highest court in the land during your reign.) Softlavender (talk) 02:50, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
      • Why don't you run. I'd vote for you. I really can't right now--I have too many obligations, and I'm way too incidental on Wikipedia these days. Being on ArbCom wasn't the hardest thing in the world, but it requires some concerted effort, and if it hadn't been for people like K-stick and esp. GorillaWarfare, you'd have really noticed that I was just hanging on. Drmies (talk) 02:55, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
        • (A) I'm not an admin, and (B) I really don't need getting an extra 50 or so emails a day that require attention. Softlavender (talk) 03:04, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
          • The non-admin part can be overlooked. Drmies (talk) 03:06, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
    • By the by, I got my very first cell phone six months ago, because people made me do it. And I've discovered that, like the experts say, reading your cell phone immediately before sleep causes insomnia and sleep disturbances (because of the "blue light" of the screen). For instance, last night in bed I was checking Twitter for election return info and such, and then my sleep did not really feel like sleep -- it was like some kind of light anesthesia; I was still aware of my surroundings but I was "under" enough to pass for so-called "sleep". So now I have forsworn reading Twitter and other cell-phone things in bed. I will read my Kindle Paperwhite (which does not emit light in the blue range, but is in the red range instead and does not interfere with sleep). I can't comment on other kinds of Kindles but the people in the know say the Paperwhite is OK and does not cause sleep disturbances. Softlavender (talk) 03:04, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
      • Hmm Softlavender why would ANYONE be on Twitter? I have my phone in bed so a. I can look things up when I'm reading in bed and b. so I can time my lower back exercises in the morning, haha. Anyway, it goes to some night-time setting at ten, taking out that blue light or whatever it is, and that's much more acceptable. Drmies (talk) 03:06, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
        • Oh, interesting! I didn't know there was such a thing as a nighttime setting. I wonder if Android phones have that (mine is a Samsung Galaxy J7)? I barely know how to do anything with my cellphone, but I do check Twitter sometimes when I don't want to log on to my PC. "Why would anyone be on Twitter?" Because at present it is (sadly) the only way to get accurate complete information on what has been happening to our country (not to mention the UK, Russia, etc.) for the past several years, and accurate information on Trump's real history, etc. I joined Twitter in 2012 to get updates for a Wikipedia article, and then the Olympics, and then general fun/socialization, but ever since June 2016 I've been using it as my source for accurate political information, both US/UK and around the world. You have to know who to follow though, to get the good stuff. Softlavender (talk) 03:23, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
          • Maybe this will tell you. It's a significant difference. One of my uses for Facebook is what you do through Twitter, so that makes sense, I suppose. The only news app I have left on my phone (since all the Dutch paper turned to paid subscription) is NPR, which makes me a true libtard, I suppose. Drmies (talk) 15:38, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Hey, I was going to suggest that Drmies run for ARBCOM again. Now I need to find someone else to harass^W coerce^W flatter. power~enwiki (π, ν) 03:12, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
• Everytime I see this thread I keep thinking it says "My wife's IP has been blocked". Ooh. ——SerialNumber54129 16:03, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Haha, me too! Drmies (talk) 16:11, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
• Hey Drmies, I hate to interrupt everyone's fun, but your /16 block is hard. It's a very wide range to make a hard block, and it doesn't sound like you intended to do that. It was soft-blocked before.--Bbb23 (talk) 20:14, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Whoa, I see that now--I thought that showed up directly in the log? I changed it. Thanks Bbb. Drmies (talk) 21:45, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
    • Great, now he and his wife can edit.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:32, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
      • Bbb, the more time I spend here the more I am starting to doubt some of our basic tenets. Or, on the other hand, maybe the WMF could grow teeth and protect our project and its editors. I know, crazy thought. Drmies (talk) 22:35, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
        • As a functionary, I'm not political enough to hobnob with people at the foundation. I hear that teething hurts; you should know about that.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:54, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
          • You know what I mean. Nothing to do with politics. And teething, sure--but ear infections are worse, I think. Floquenbeam might confirm this. Had a student the other day whose two-year old kid has em; I encouraged him to let the kid get the tubes. Drmies (talk) 23:48, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Remember recordings

... of the Vaughan Wiliams symphonies? The latest user name is Olassus. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:11, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

• I think that was his earlier name too, though not explicitly. ;) Drmies (talk) 17:37, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

What is your authority?

First off, it is clearly you does not explain yourself clearly enough! who are you and what is your authority to challenge me in editing articles? My edits satisfied wikipedia principles and you are not the one to judge whether they are suitable or not. Therefore i will keep it my way until you rule out a clear explanation! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Albertpda (talk • contribs)

• If you continue removing information without explanation, against the will of a number of editors (I'm not the only one), I will be happy to block you. Drmies (talk) 01:40, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Block me? How? A band of editors acting as judges? Or do you have a authorized option to block me? You do not have to evade my question like that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Albertpda (talk • contribs) 02:39, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

• Albertpda, you saw what happened. I can give you some advice, if you like; first thing, probably, is to not start by a. deleting huge loads of content and b. then yelling at those who restore it. Second thing, maybe you should consider that those who've been editing this joint for a while maybe know a thing or two, and the two editors who responded to you on Talk:Vietnam national football team have racked up tens, if not hundreds of thousands of edits here. Also, you were blocked by a very seasoned administrator, and were given a gentle nudge by yet another. Finally, yes, I'm also authorized to block you--that's how it works here. If your question really is about my authority, I suggest you have a look at Wikipedia:Administration (as a reminder to read the rules before you come barging into some place). Drmies (talk) 17:41, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Andy Penn (businessman)

I just blocked a couple of socks. They made the article an attack page. The previous version, if you go back, unfortunately, is not balanced either; it's wholly sanitized. The article needs a fair amount of work to make it neutral. A good source of material, albeit not perfect either, is the section on Penn in the company article, Telstra. I was hoping someone might, uh, enjoy such a project.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:29, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

• Bbb23, that was simpler than one might think: for an article which is a mess and where it is not clear that the subject is notable in his own right, outside the company, a redirect is, IMO, the best answer. So in the end this was not unenjoyable... Drmies (talk) 17:37, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
  • You're so clever. It'll be interesting to see if it holds up. I'm not worried about socks, etc. because I semi'ed it, but some experienced editors might disagree with you (gasp!). Meanwhile, thanks!--Bbb23 (talk) 17:43, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
    • Oh I'm fine with that--I'm sure they'll turn it into an acceptable article as well... Drmies (talk) 17:46, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
      • Oh well, if you're gonna use logic ...--Bbb23 (talk) 17:52, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Blocked IP

Could you remove talk page access for the blocked IP at User talk:2601:2C6:80:C23:7983:18B2:CFA0:3C0 please? Thanks. PamD 20:57, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

 Done by Zzuuzz @PamD: Jim1138 talk 23:08, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Revdel also applied. My apologies, Pam, for the things people say. Drmies (talk) 23:15, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Looks like this one slipped through the crack. @PamD: have a wonderful weekend in spite of this. The same goes for everyone else. MarnetteD|Talk 23:49, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

• I've adjusted the block to cover 2601:2C6:80:C23:0:0:0:0/64 as it's clearly the same user.--Jezebel's Ponyo^{bons mots} 23:54, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

More r/d on a Friday evening

Please see this IPs 119.82.253.47 (talk · contribs) edits as well as this one 177.137.207.242 (talk · contribs). Thanks. MarnetteD|Talk 23:53, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

• OMG. Thank you Ponyo, zzuuzz, Materialscientist. Can I assume that one or more of you have worked your magic re:proxy, range, etc.? I appreciate you all. And thank you Marnette. All of y'all should get extra Christmas checks from Jimbo Wales. Charming, huh, cowards with grudges. Drmies (talk) 00:12, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

Another one has shown up 191.7.44.39 (talk · contribs). My thanks to those that have dealt with this as well. This Christmas Czech will do just fine. :-) MarnetteD|Talk 00:56, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

Ugh I just found this attack which has been missed as well. MarnetteD|Talk 00:58, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

Hmm I see your enriched dough and I'll raise you a Kerststol. Drmies (talk) 01:17, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the r/d. The K looks delish. I just finished watching episode one of the most recent series of the The Great British Bake Off so my sweet tooth is in overdrive. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 02:17, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

Our favorite show. One day I'm making the princess cake. Drmies (talk) 02:18, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

Yum Yum. Now that they are on Netflix I have to restrain myself from watching all 10 eps at one go. I just found this 188.121.104.80 (talk · contribs). It looks like the troll has shifted from rapid fire attacks to slow returns by shifting IPs to leave their junk on various pages as well as the ref desks. MarnetteD|Talk 02:28, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

What troll? So it's on Netflix? That's news to me--thanks! Wait--the latest/last/current season too? Drmies (talk) 02:32, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

The ref desk troll. Back in August I saw this and this. The last two seasons - the ones that are airing on Channel Four rather than the BBC in the UK - are on Netflix. The reports are a little unclear on whether they will eventually show up on PBS or not. Also the numbering of the seasons can be confusing depending on which channel they are on so look for the ones hosted by Sandi Toksvig and Noel Fielding as listed here. MarnetteD|Talk 02:49, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

Bought the farm

I recently came across an editor called Bought the farm; noticing that they seemed to be advocating for some rather outside-the-mainstream viewpoints related to the whole mail bomber thing, I thought I'd speak to them on their talk page. However, once there, I noticed that you had imposed discretionary sanctions for them for all US post-1932 political topics; I felt that, given the bomber's apparent motivations, this certainly applied, and thus thought I would let you know. Icarosaurvus (talk) 04:08, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Yes, and they have a special focus on defending and pushing conspiracy theories. They need a topic ban on that topic, as their influence is clearly for WP:Advocacy. -- BullRangifer (talk) PingMe 04:52, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

I blocked this editor for a week. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:54, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

We need another Trump-focused editor like we need a hole in the head. Softlavender (talk) 06:00, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Softlavender, now you are being quoted by one of the most extreme Trump supporters. -- BullRangifer (talk) PingMe 14:28, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Dang it BullRangifer Wikipedia is not a battleground. PackMecEng (talk) 17:42, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

How true. Here's the issue. We don't allow advocacy of fringe POV. If an editor's comments and editing are backed by RS, then there's no problem, but this BS isn't good, and defending it isn't good either. You need to think twice about whom and what behaviors you're defending, because defending this type of stuff is using Wikipedia as a battleground for fringe advocacy. Defending RS and the integrity of Wikipedia is not battleground behavior. -- BullRangifer (talk) PingMe 17:59, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

I am going to leave it here out of respect for Drmies but you really should review WP:BATTLEGROUND. Calling other editors extremists is not exactly civil and could be seen as a personal attack. PackMecEng (talk) 18:11, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

BullRangifer, Softlavender, "Trump-focused" is one thing--and it's not the same as "Trump-obsessed", for instance. We need Trump-focused editors, just like we need speleology-focused and math-focused editors. BullR, I wish you hadn't brought Winkelvi into this matter, since I really don't want to make this a two-way street. Winkelvi is either focused on you (and your fellow travelers) or on me, and I find both options to be distasteful, but I don't need to be reminded of it. And yes, please don't go around calling other editors extremists, certainly not on my talk page (which is, as you know, a happy place)--thanks. Moreover, I've blocked many an editor for POV editing, and whatever you want to say about Winkelvi, they're not that bad. AGF please. PackMecEng, thank you. Drmies (talk) 18:45, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

I didn't bring Winkelvi into this conversation; his talkpage quoting me was linked by Bullrangifer, so I'm guessing your comment was addressed to him. Yes, obsessed is a better word. Softlavender (talk) 18:29, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Now evading block as IP . BullRangifer (talk) PingMe 07:23, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

I took the liberty of blocking the IP for 72 hours.-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 08:23, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

• Please see my note at User talk:Bought the farm, Cullen328. I think Drmies narrowed the ban to only apply to BLPs in American politics. Drmies? Bishonen | talk 09:41, 30 October 2018 (UTC).
  • Commented there, Bish. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 18:46, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
    • Drmies is the only rational editor here. Bishonen | talk 19:05, 30 October 2018 (UTC).
      • And yet I can only dream of attaining Bishness. Drmies (talk) 21:45, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

While I hate to change the topic (who am I kidding, I love changing topics), this is a reminder to Drmies that ArbCom elections are upcoming and not to forget to nominate themselves if they intend to run again. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 22:41, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Is Drmies a "they" now? Is that a distancing, overly formal "they", a rhetorical, talking-about-user-in-the-third-person-while-on-their-usertalk "they", an I-have-no-idea-what-this-user's-gender-is "they", a politically correct "they", or a let's-assuage-Drmies'-gender-sensibilities "they"? Softlavender (talk) 18:29, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

• Ha, like I'd stand a chance! YOU should run, K-stick. Everybody loves you, you are a hard worker, you're smart. Run plz. Drmies (talk) 23:40, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
  • You're kidding right, I have barely been around all year. Will see what the next two years bring, but for sure not this year. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 19:27, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
    • Might I chime in, Drmies, and say "please run"? You'd be a huge asset on the committee, and you would certainly do better in an election than any of the current candidates, in my estimation (and better than a couple I know are considering running). Vanamonde (talk) 18:01, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
      • OK Doc, you got your wish, it's not like I have anything better to do. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 20:52, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
    • Come on, don't you miss us?? Opabinia regalis (talk) 06:02, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

• OT: Why do "bought the farm" and "sold the farm" mean the same thing? Softlavender (talk) 06:38, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

• "Bought the farm" is to kick the bucket, "sell the farm" is to sell all your buckets in order to invest in something risky, and "sold the farm" is when Bernie Madoff's Nigerian Bitcoin venture, what you invested in, goes tits-up and you want to kick the bucket but you ain't got one to kick. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 08:11, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

• I can always count on you to clarify things, Xanthy. Softlavender (talk) 08:14, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

deleting all the children on Radford family page

if you are going to be arrogant and delete all those "insignificant minors" on their page, then you need to delete all the children from the Duggar page, the Bates family page, the Sister Wives page and the Willis Family page. And while you are being an asshole, delete the pages listing most numbers of children by fathers and the pages listing multiple births. Just because you don't care, doesn't mean someone else doesn't. Fidiot.

• Wow. You have no clue, about lots of things. Drmies (talk) 23:40, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

The "Grandchildren" section suffers from the same WP:BLPNAME violations, no?--Jezebel's Ponyo^{bons mots} 23:44, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Yes ma'am. Thank you. Hadn't seen that. Drmies (talk) 00:08, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

I bet you spotted my typo though right? It will haunt me through the weekend.--Jezebel's Ponyo^{bons mots} 00:11, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

Hmm typo schmypo. Is the functionaries list aware of that slew of proxied botlike edits? Drmies (talk) 01:35, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

Like Rach0581 suggests, deleting the children and their DOB's from 19 Kids and Counting, Bringing Up Bates, Sister Wives and The Willis Family may be a jolly good idea. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:55, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

Gråbergs Gråa Sång, I think it's an excellent suggestion, and I support you and Rach moving forward. Drmies (talk) 00:14, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Your Revert of my Edit of "Gab (Social Network)" 10 November

Your edit note said: "I don't see what needed improvement here--this was not improvement." after My edit note said: "Reception: replaced misleading and inaccurate partial excerpts with more of the full text from the source given. Also cite needs to be included, and I don't know how to do that.". (Ignoring the "cite" comment as it's a matter of me learning how to do it.)

My edit note was clear, and yours was ambiguous. I started a Discussion section on the edit immediately after making it. I'm asking you to "revert" your revert, as the edited section was added by a single editor without discussion or consensus, and mischaracterizes what the source actually said.Tym Whittier (talk) 10:58, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

Drmies' edit summary was "I don't see what needed improvement here--this was not improvement". Your edit removed a crucial part of the paragraph, which was the tweet about Somalian immigrants. Rather than continuing to harangue Drmies on his talkpage and insisting that he restore your edit which had removed important information, you need to hash things out on the talkpage of the article and establish what the consensus is. Softlavender (talk) 12:34, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

Or her talkpage! Thanks Softlavender--except for that, I couldn't have said it any better. ;) Drmies (talk) 02:19, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

User NotHere, etc

Hi, DrMies. I thought I should let some admin know that the user with these contributions seems clearly WP:NOTHERE, having basically done nothing except vandalise our World Rugby Rankings article, and then added and deleted stuff at their sandbox, which appears to be some kind of personal attack on somebody which should perhaps be permanently deleted. And my apologies for taking up your time - if you'd prefer me to report this kind of thing somewhere else in future, please let me know. Regards, Tlhslobus (talk) 01:11, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

• Tlhslobus, you don't have to apologize for anything, but warning them, and then reporting to AIV, is better and faster. As it is, the user hasn't even been warned yet, let alone welcomed. Wikipedia:Vandalism actually lays out a process. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 02:18, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, DrMies. Tlhslobus (talk) 02:42, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

I've issued a warning at their Talk Page. I haven't reported it to AIV as that is seemingly not recommended for a beginner's first offence. Do I need to do anything about the deleted stuff in the sandbox, where I'm unclear whether it needs something like permanent deletion (revdel?)? Tlhslobus (talk) 03:12, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

I deleted that sandbox, since it was either incomprehensible or a BLP violation. Drmies (talk) 00:32, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks again, DrMies. Hopefully now case closed. Tlhslobus (talk) 17:25, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Lucretia Wilhelmina van Merken

On 13 November 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Lucretia Wilhelmina van Merken, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the Dutch playwright Lucretia Wilhelmina van Merken wrote very popular classicist tragedies, and sent an ode in French to George Washington, for which he thanked her? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Lucretia Wilhelmina van Merken. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Lucretia Wilhelmina van Merken), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Alex Shih (talk) 00:02, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

CU question

Hello, I know that a lot of CU-accessible data is automatically deleted several months after it's generated. Does anything survive this deletion, beyond what everyone can see? The vandal who's been mega-disrupting the reference desks has recently used several very old accounts (including one created well before you created yours), and I'm wondering if it's a case of account compromise or really really ancient sleepers. I'm guessing you couldn't help, since the users in question haven't edited since long before the deletion period (the one I mention last edited in 2010, for example), but if you would have access to anything beyond what I do, I'd appreciate help when you have the opportunity. Thanks. Nyttend (talk) 23:04, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

• Hi Nyttend--I tend to defer all fancy questions to folks like Ponyo, zzuuzz, or Bbb23. Sometimes reports are written up on the CU wiki (like SPIs here, to some extent, with the salient difference that we can openly talk about behavior and stuff, because "regular" editors can't see it), but I don't know if there's a report on that one. So--that d-bag the other day was indeed that one, as identified by MarnetteD? Drmies (talk) 00:30, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
• If I recall this has been discussed either on the functionaries list or the oversight list and CheckUser hasn't been much use. On the ancient sleepers question, my assumption for most Lazarus accounts in general is compromise/sold if they're acting in a way that would otherwise be considered disruptive. TonyBallioni (talk) 00:35, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
  • I haven't checked either one of those lists in a while, I'm afraid. Drmies (talk) 00:39, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
    • Not sure where MarnetteD comes in. I addressed this issue at User talk:Favonian#User:Fadedbasket block (this is the registered-in-2006 username); Favonian blocked someone who'd been doing this kind of vandalism, and I asked basically "do you have solid evidence that this was sockpuppetry, or is there a chance that it could be a compromised account instead". I was afraid that any question would sound confrontational, so I did my best to be non-confrontational about it, since a block was unquestionably needed for one reason or the other; basically I wanted to see whether account-compromise were possible, since if this guy's gaining unauthorised access to old accounts, it's more of a problem than mere sockpuppetry, since he might try to gain access to active accounts as well as inactive ones. Thanks, Tony; I supposed that would be the answer, but I figured I might as well check, in case I supposed erroneously. Nyttend (talk) 02:35, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
      • MarnetteD comes in via a section above this one, "More r/d on a Friday evening". Drmies (talk) 15:21, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
      • Hi again Nyttend. I happen to have some familiarity with these cases, and I'd say they're separate. The refdesk troll has lazarus'd a few accounts such as K. R. Freeman and Seckroots and Lqd8er brunt and FamousGaga. I'd say they're not compromised. People say, rather credibly, that it's this guy. The image vandal, well you've seen my opinion on that. So the former of these is using a scatter gun approach of spamming garbled libel based around the refdesks with open proxies. The latter is adding porn to articles linked from the main page, especially TFA, from defined networks, and the use of lazarus'd accounts is definitely a recent (and CU-confirmed) development. I'd be happy to share any further details, but I still think there's no indication whether the accounts were compromised. Looking at the edits, I'd say it's likely they're not the original owner. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 07:39, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
        • Thank you for the help, zzuuzz. Confused, though: if he's not the original owner, and he's not compromised them from the original owners, how could he have gotten control of them? Nyttend (talk) 11:42, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
          • The last thing we need is more confusion :) Try this and then read again. The accounts related to the refdesk vandal (four are listed above) are probably not compromised. The accounts related to the image vandal (five are mentioned on Favonian's talk page) probably are compromised. Libel on the refdesks, Porn on the main page. Just another day eh. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 16:32, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
            • Where are we supposed to put libellous porn, please?--Bbb23 (talk) 16:42, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
              • Bbb23, see Revenge porn. zzuuzz, thank you; I understand you're distinguishing between the accounts doing one kind of disruption and the accounts doing another kind. Just missing one bit: I'd be happy to share any further details, but I still think there's no indication whether the accounts were compromised. Looking at the edits, I'd say it's likely they're not the original owner. How could an account be not-compromised and not-used-by-original-owner if it's in use by someone? Pretty sure that "used by original owner" and "used by someone other than original owner" covers all the bases for an account that's being used :-) Nyttend (talk) 02:01, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
                • And compromised porn also belongs at Kompromat. So there's two different things there. In terms of CU evidence, there's no indication either way for either user. We're all guessing. The refdesk troll lazarus'd some accounts that had previously edited the refdesks in a trollish manner. They look like the same user in every respect. Then in relation to the other user, being a bit of a geek with an occasional penchant for precise wording, I tend to view "compromised" and "not used by the original owner" as slightly different things. A compromise suggests unauthorised access. I'd say we don't have enough information to reach that conclusion. Beans. You may however think of them as equivalent. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 07:04, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Just to explain why my view on this is slightly different than zzuuzz’s: it strains the limits of my imagination to think that someone has an army of decade old accounts ready at a moments notice. That’d require record keeping that puts the IRS to shame, even if the same exact password was used on all accounts, and an assumption that over 8-10 years the records hadn’t become lost, etc. Add that to the fact that these likely would have come up on loginwiki CU at some point near the initial creation if an LTA really was creating an army. Not that it matters at this point, but for the academic discussion, I think sometimes considering the “humans are dumb” perspective in addition to the on-wiki stuff is useful. Anyway, my 2¢ on the theory here. TonyBallioni (talk) 14:20, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

ArbCom

Hey Drmies! Just a heads up that your listing on the ArbCom candidates page is a bit broken, I think because you put your statement directly at Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2018/Candidates/Drmies and not at Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2018/Candidates/Drmies/Statement. GorillaWarfare (talk) 19:26, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

• GD. What have I done wrong this time? I put it right above the line that said "put it right above the line"... Seriously, I don't know what I did wrong--with the template, I just followed the "create nomination" thing, I think. Drmies (talk) 19:27, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
• OK I was going to move it to "Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2018/Candidates/Drmies/Statement" and then replace the original line with etc., but I'm just going to sit here, look dumb, and listen to the rain hoping that someone will fix it before I make any more mistakes... (speaking of rain, I need to go...if you can repair this, GorillaWarfare, I'd appreciate it: it wouldn't be the first time you bail me out) Drmies (talk) 19:30, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
  • I did the same. I guess neither of us are good at reading directions. —kelapstick^(bainuu) 19:31, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

• • I think I've fixed it. Good luck! GorillaWarfare (talk) 19:55, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
    • Thank you so much. Or, K-stick, maybe the instructions were, you know, ... Drmies (talk) 22:45, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

May God have mercy upon your soul. Good luck! PackMecEng (talk) 19:52, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

• Did I do an evil thing, PackME, that I need mercy? Thanks, but it's not the worst thing in the world. I just hope they haven't made shit more complicated in the meantime. Drmies (talk) 22:45, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Not that I am aware of! But when you make it I wish you a happy and drama free time. PackMecEng (talk) 00:15, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
    • Ha, I appreciate it. And I'll promise you something: I will try to be fair. Drmies (talk) 00:17, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Is this a bad time to tell you you have to fill out the vacation allowance forms in triplicate now? ♠PMC♠ (talk) 22:54, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

THERE IS A VACATION ALLOWANCE??? Are you Canadian or something? Cause we don't do that here in the US of A. Drmies (talk) 23:14, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

OMG you are! Please take me in, and my family? I asked K-stick but he keeps threatening me with hockey and rodeos, like that's some precondition. Drmies (talk) 23:15, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

I live in the Lower Mainland of BC, so you'd have to contend with bears, yoga moms, and exorbitant housing prices instead. Not sure if the legal weed and great craft beer is enough to make up for it. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 00:12, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

• Glad to see you're running. Vanamonde (talk) 00:38, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
• OK, does anyone know where to find the Electoral Commission? Drmies (talk) 02:44, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
  • WT:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2018/Coordination. -- Softlavender (talk) 02:51, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2018/Coordination Galobtter (pingó mió) 02:53, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
    • HAAAAAAAAA hidden/piped in the "Scrutineering period" section. Holy moly. Mz7, or Swarm, would you mind giving that link a bit more prominence, like in Template:ACE2018 or in the text on WP:ACE2018? Thanks--esp. now it's an interesting thing. Drmies (talk) 03:02, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
      • We should probably change WP:ACE2018, but in Template:ACE2018, you can get there by following the link "Contact the coordinators". Mz7 (talk) 03:06, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
        • Mz7, I see you, thanks--but what I was looking for initially was "Electoral commission" since that's the term I saw dropped somewhere earlier tonight. I remember now we used the term "coordinators" on the ArbCom list, but I sure wasn't looking for it tonight. Can I offer a suggestion? A sentence on the ACE page that says something like "the coordinators run the show, and click *here* to see what they're up to". Thanks! Drmies (talk) 03:11, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
          • One semi-odd thing is that the coordinators are never listed anywhere. One can only sort of infer who they are by determining who is discussing things in a semi-authoritative voice on the talkpage. It would be good to list all of the coordinators at the top of the coordinators' page. Softlavender (talk) 03:26, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
            • @Softlavender and Drmies: Alright, I gave it a shot. I've added a section about the ElectCom to WP:ACE2018, with most of the language coming from the header at the Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Arbitration Committee Elections December 2018/Electoral Commission. I included a list of this year's commissioners there. It might be a little more verbose than what you all had in mind. Mz7 (talk) 03:34, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
              • Thank you so much! Drmies (talk) 03:37, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
      • I've added it. Not sure why it wasn't there. Softlavender (talk) 03:09, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Great! If even you have got troubles finding your way in the bureaucracy, then it's not only my stupidity which is too be blamed. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 04:16, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

I think one issue is/was that the navigation template was on the top of many of the pages but on the bottom of quite a number of them instead (perhaps inadvertently due to how each page was built). I've now ensured that they all have the template at the top. Softlavender (talk) 05:23, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

• Once upon a time in the mythical universe of the Wikipedia Arbitration Committee, Bbb23 was an arbitration clerk. Unlike his experience as an SPI clerk, in which he was reasonably proficient, Bbb23 quickly realized that this alternate universe did not comply with the usual laws of physics (not that Bbb23 undersands physics), and nothing was what it seemed. Despite the kind assistance of other clerks and Committee members, Bbb23 became more and more frustrated that he couldn't make the necessary mind-shift to this new universe. He resigned a total failure and has had PTACSD ever since. He's not bitter, though. He just thinks, as any reasonable person would, that all templates should die.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:04, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

• "Ya cannae change tha laws of physics, Captain Doc Mice!!" Well, except at ArbCom, of course. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:16, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

• Bbb23, the great thing about being an Arb, is all you do is show up, wave your arm, mumble something (preferably in Latin), and be gone. The clerks are the ones with the difficult jobs (I try not to make it a thankless job, by thanking them when I can, but don't nearly enough). --kelapstick^(bainuu) 19:59, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

It was a very pleasant surprise...

...to see that you'd put yourself up for ArbCom again. Mazel tov! Beyond My Ken (talk) 19:37, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

• Ha thanks! But we have a lot of good candidates. Then again, as you know, I'm the only rational editor here... Drmies (talk) 21:40, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

  In the spirit of not cluttering the candidate page; I’ll ask my questions here instead:

1. Does rationality as an editor translate to rationality as an arb?

2. Is rationality an asset for an arb?

3. Isn’t this rationality thing out of favor in the modern era anyhow? O3000 (talk) 23:34, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Revdel script

User:Writ Keeper/Scripts/massRevdel.js might be useful. Also, there's no easy way to deal with abuse filters. Amory is a saint. TonyBallioni (talk) 04:40, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

• Tony, it's late and I'm not smart. Can you tell me what to do? Or can you install it for me? You can see in my log that I'm tired. I really don't understand what they're saying about the filters, but I believe you. Thanks! Drmies (talk) 04:43, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Drmies, paste {{subst:iusc|User:Writ Keeper/Scripts/massRevdel.js}} in bottom of User:Drmies/common.js and save it. — regards, Revi 04:55, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Oh, and revi explained it just as I sent you an email. Anyway, the email also explains the other thing. TonyBallioni (talk) 04:57, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

It works. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 05:15, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Brocket754

I saw that after the SPI for Brandon5015, you indeffed Brocket754 as a sockpuppet. I thought you might want to know that now they're playing around on their talk page; making profanity redirect creation-requests, attacks using profanity, making unblock requests for themselves and the sockmaster, claiming that they're not a sock of Brandon, and sometimes blanking everything. You might want to revoke their talk page access to prevent anymore disruption. Cheers, --SkyGazer 512 ^{Oh no, what did I do this time?} 22:28, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

• Thanks User:SkyGazer 512; I had a look and revdeleted a copyvio, but I'm going to leave the page as it is--they removed their rant, after all. Drmies (talk) 05:26, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Fan club

Seems you and Oshwah have quite the fan club. ceranthor 17:05, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

• Yeah, we must be doing something right. Drmies (talk) 19:10, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Don't these people have anything better to do? I guess not. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 00:25, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Indeed... I agree with Drmies ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 22:49, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Viktor Prokopenya‎

Viktor Prokopenya (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) has quite a bit of criticism in it. An editor seemed to be whitewashing the article so I reverted. The editor left a message on talk:Viktor Prokopenya‎#Criticism and controversies and the following section: talk:Viktor Prokopenya‎#Critics, claiming France's(?) "right to disappear" and BLPCRIME. I reverted and left a bumbling reply on the #Critics section. I am not sure if the content is UNDUE not. Thanks Jim1138 talk 08:22, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

• I have a really hard time understanding what they're saying. Drmies (talk) 18:48, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

So it wasn't me being tired then. Cheers Jim1138 talk 01:04, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Wow

I just heard this stat D. Alabama has been behind on the scoreboard for a whopping 1 minute 10 seconds this season. How did you survive that trauma. HeeHee Enjoy the rest of your week. MarnetteD|Talk 16:04, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

• Yeah, that was rough. Bourbon, lots of bourbon. But we trust the process. Finish the play. Etc. Drmies (talk) 18:46, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Nice D. Though I would guess that 1 minute 10 seconds is not enough time to enjoy a fine bourbon :-) Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 22:52, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

I'm an English professor. I only get a "fine" bourbon if I'm having dinner with a banker or a stock trader, and I don't know any of those... Calvert Hill, anyone? Drmies (talk) 01:12, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Call me crazy, but...

...I don't see where Blankenship69 represents a username violation as stated in your block. What the heck am I missing? Let me know. :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 03:00, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

• [3] Drmies (talk) 03:03, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

...I see. lol ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 03:05, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Haha I note you weren't questioning the block on User talk:Deadman's dick. ;) Drmies (talk) 03:05, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Doc, I gotta agree with Osh here. Why don't you just change it to a vandal only account block? Witness "Summer of 69", athletes with that number and a year? John from Idegon (talk) 03:10, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

HA! Nope! That block was perfectly in-order ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 03:12, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

John, sometimes 69 is fine, sometimes 88 is fine, sometimes 420--and sometimes it's not, which we tend to judge by the edits... Drmies (talk) 03:13, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

...had to look at the page--the relevant phrase is "...suggests that your intention is not to contribute to the encyclopedia", which provides a certain amount of leeway but requires judgment, here supported by the actual edits. I used to struggle a bit with this early on in my admin career; when you get that block button, which I hope you will, you'll find what I did, that you start thinking about usernames harder. Drmies (talk) 03:15, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Yes, as Drmies stated - usernames in combination with the user's edits can expedite a block once the user's intentions become clear and with both pieces of information put together. I use this frequently when evaluating a user's disruption. An example of when I did so today (picking one out of the many) is Dylanthomasissohotomg431. The username seems... okay I guess... in itself, but after the user made those two edits on Dylan Thomas, the user's intentions became clear and the account is clearly a VOA. Now, in this example (and with Blankenship69 as well), I wouldn't call the usernames a violation of policy, but the blocks are certainly warranted. In most cases, I consider usernames a violation of policy and state such in blocks if the account can be blocked based off their username in itself and without any edits to support it. However, there are many situations and times where the username violation becomes clear due to the user's edits as well... every situation is unique and we can't always stick to hard-set criteria when it comes to usernames and disruption. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 03:25, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Yes, Osh, I do believe that's what I said in many fewer words. Guy should be blocked, the username may be a piece of why, but unambiguously, his edits were all vandalism. Hence a vandalism-only block, which has the benefit of also having more permanence than a username block. John from Idegon (talk) 04:20, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

John from Idegon, Oshwah, let me sidetrack you all for a moment and ask you about this. Drmies (talk) 04:22, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Drmies - Yeah, no... I just hard blocked that... lol ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:42, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

John from Idegon - Sorry, I didn't mean to repeat what you said as if I wasn't listening... I do agree that in this case, it's a VOA and not a username violation. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:45, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

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Request for comment at Talk:Greg Gianforte

Hello, I've noticed that you've taken a bit of interest in the edits to delete a "see also" section link to the Committee to Protect Journalists from the article on US Representative Greg Gianforte. Would you care to weigh in on this issue over at.... Talk:Greg_Gianforte#Wholesale_deletion_of_"See_also"_section. Thank you for your consideration, Critical Chris

HI. Regarding the Greg Gianforte article, I actually made a few edits today. If you get the chance can you review and give me your opinion. I think the article attracts POV, including from myself as I clearly am not immune. Thanks. Quis separabit? 19:33, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Ha, maybe not tonight, Rms--we're all a bit tired after winterhiking and -camping. You doing alright? Drmies (talk) 01:03, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Dennis Morris (photographer)

Hi Drmies; the request for copy-editing you made at the Guild of Copy Editors request page has been declined because the article isn't suitable for copy-editing at this time. Please see the discussion here; we felt the article needs to be developed beyond a timeline, and there's not much we can do with it in its current state. Feel free to re-request a c/e when the article is ready. Cheers and good luck with the article, Baffle gab1978 04:41, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

• The "cleanup-in-aisle-5 squad" 'ad a go. Ain't nuffink but a timeline still. Ashtead potters; should it be Ashtead Potters, Ashtead Potters Ltd. or Ashtead Potters Limited? But not Ashtead Pottery. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 18:27, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

User:MontChevalier

Care to explain to this editor what harassment is? Dealing with their nonsense comments on my user page is getting tiresome.[4][5] --Kansas Bear (talk) 19:07, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

• I doubt they need an explanation. Drmies (talk) 19:15, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
  • After seven years one would think they know what BRD and Wikipedia:OR are as well. --Kansas Bear (talk) 19:18, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
    • Maybe. But after all these years I still don't know what civility means, it seems... Drmies (talk) 19:20, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
      • I wouldn't touch that topic if they paid me. --Kansas Bear (talk) 19:29, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Steaks and Paris

Did I ever tell you the story about me, steaks and Paris? It's amusing, but if you've already heard it ...--Bbb23 (talk) 19:23, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

• Not that I'm aware of... I have one too, but it's real short (and it's not Paris, but Blois)--I got a steak frites and asked for mayo, which took quite a while before it was brought to the table: the chef made mayonnaise for me. OK that's not much of a story. Yours? Drmies (talk) 19:30, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
  • I used to make my own mayo in Paris. Rich and wonderful compared to American mayo. My experience occurred when I was very new to living in Paris. My French at the time was lousy. I had little money. I was homesick, and my palate hadn't developed yet. I used to go to a cafe in the Latin Quarter near where I lived for dinner. Every night I ordered a steak, fries, and a coke, mostly because it seemed like comfort food to me. The fries were fine, the coke was coke, and the steak was...well, the only good thing about it was the grilled flavor, but it was edible at least. Every once in a while I splurged and went to a movie. One night I went to a movie theater on the Champs-Elysees, so I went to a cafe near the theater before the movie. It was about the same quality generally as the one in the Latin Quarter but higher-priced because of the location. I had my usual, but the steak was so tough as to be inedible. Cutting off a piece took forever, and chewing it into a grisly pulp took even longer. After I got tired of trying to eat it, I called the waiter over. I explained to him that the steak sucked, and although I was convinced he understood my bad French, he professed not to with the kind of expresssion on his face that only French waiters have. I was pissed, so I picked up my plate and shoved it into his stomach so that he involuntarily grabbed it and I let go. He walked away with it and back came the manager who was a glib asshole with whom I predictably got nowhere. I gave up (after all, I didn't want to miss the movie) and asked for the check. Right after that a French couple several tables away from me were having the same fight over the same issue with the manager. They were smarter than I; they refused to pay. On their way out of the cafe, they stopped by my table, and the husband shook my hand and said something nice but I forget what. I don't remember the name of the movie. Was that short enough for you?--Bbb23 (talk) 19:46, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
    • I will be travelling to Bruges in the spring. I will ensure I return with a suitable steak and mayo story so I can be part of your cool club.-- Jezebel's Ponyo^{bons mots} 19:52, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
      • Bruges is in Belgium (sniff). Beautiful place. I'm vert with envy.--Bbb23 (talk) 19:57, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
        • Mate of mine ordered steak and chips in a restaurant in Ko Pha-ngan. Got served steak and crisps. Made specially for him. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 19:59, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
          • One of the things about Belgium is that, in large parts of the country, you can almost toss a coin as to whether you will get someone with the attitude that, as Bbb23 rightly says, "only French waiters have", or one of the more northerly types who carefully don't act like that. The latter presumably get more tips? MPS1992 (talk) 20:39, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
            • All this talk is making me hungry. X, "crisps" as in thin circles of deep-fried goodness? In other words, all delicious crispyness and no depth? Hmm yes. Ponyo, take me with you. Drmies (talk) 23:03, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Request for protecting Nath (surname) from persistent vandalism

Hi Drmies, would request you (or any other admin active on this page) to check the article on Nath (surname), and protect the same. This article has been a subject of persistent vandalism for quite some time now, which is evident from its Revision History. Thanks & Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 06:22, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

• I wouldn't mind, but it is not clear to me, a non-expert, that this really counts as vandalism and isn't just a content dispute. I can smell disruption, and it's obvious that the editor is an SPA with limited knowledge of how Wikipedia works, but I am not the best admin to make that judgment--esp. not since, in a case where you have one major disruptor and no evidence of socking, the proper solution is probably a block for that one editor rather than protection. And for this WP:ANI is the best venue, I think. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 17:57, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
  • I understand your point, and thank you for your thoughtful comment. Ekdalian (talk) 06:26, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Same IP at it again

This disruptive IP you blocked recently is at it again, adding unsourced/unjustified categories without edit summary,[6]-[7]-[8] and unjustified transliterations without edit summary.[9]-[10] - LouisAragon (talk) 20:02, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Hello Louis and DrM. I happened to see this request. Blocked the IP for two weeks. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 21:15, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

@EdJohnston: Thank you sir. - LouisAragon (talk) 20:27, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Prolific vandal needs a quick block

User:82.132.185.110 Is doing a lot of vandalism, but nobody seems to by watching AIV, you are a currently active admin, so if you could block them, it would be great. Tornado chaser (talk) 02:54, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

• Sure thing. That was some stupid stuff. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 02:57, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Kiwifruit

I am the IP. Please give critisim or stop reverting. This has been a chore. The old content was not correct. New Zealand is not the only place that makes or devoloped golden kiwi, and some of it belonged in another page. Bobshmit (talk) 22:36, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

• Maybe. But there's a bunch of editors who disagree with you, so it's time to seek the talk page. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 22:44, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

"The last part of your first sentence carries an epistemological load that I cannot possibly affirm or deny"

I love it when you use big words. Thanks for putting up with my grandstanding on the questions page. Best of luck. Beyond My Ken (talk) 05:34, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

• Ha, no, it's a sign of weakness--there should be a simpler way to say it ("the King of France is bald" was one of my first philosophical investigations). There's a bit of theory at Existential import. Good luck to you too--happy turkey day and all that. Drmies (talk) 15:07, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
  • He is not bald, but he is the head of the House of Bourbon (open 7-11, pumps dispense in litres, bring your own container). Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 20:58, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
    • I can handle liters, esp. after I found this 100 proof really good stuff for $12 off, and bought as many bottles as I could carry. ARE YOU READY FOR THE IRON BOWL TIDE ROLLS? Drmies (talk) 21:59, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
      • Of course. Don't have the accompanying high octane beverage you mention but I'll make do. Roll Tide. Tiderolls 19:46, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Hereitude

Thanks for your answer at the election questions page...

!!yam!! (you answered mail: thanks) about a valid-alt account of mine, which I want to be sure is legit, since I see that people are touchy about people/heretics socking on en.wp to ask you questions.

I'm out of cookies & cake, but I do have pie. Is pie OK? Honour, Praise, Distraction, etc...

— 🍣 SashiRolls ^{t · c} 21:24, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

• Hmm ha but you'll still have to tell ArbCom about it. Drmies (talk) 01:32, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Funniest thing I've seen today

[11] Thank-you. Ifnord (talk) 15:55, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Under new and more enlightened arbcoms hopefully soon including Drmies, one sees the WP:ANYONECANEDIT idea thankfully taking a back seat as it deserves. MPS1992 (talk) 02:53, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

I don't know, MPS. I don't want to give the impression that I'm against IP editing; I'm not. At least not yet--but it's getting more difficult for me every day to maintain that position. Then again, the biggest problems most recently came from compromised accounts, not from IPs... Drmies (talk) 03:00, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

I have an average-strength password -- some sites say it's a strong password -- which is guaranteed not to be re-used on any other website. Perhaps this is not enough, given the sort of controversial topics that I seem to edit these days. MPS1992 (talk) 04:38, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Arbitration clarification request archived

Hi Drmies, the Genetically modified organisms arbitration clarification request, which you were listed as a party to, has been archived to Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Genetically modified organisms#Clarification request: Genetically modified organisms (November 2018). For the Arbitration Committee, --Cameron₁₁₅₉₈ ^(Talk) 06:39, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Admin's Barnstar
	Thanks for your Contributions to Wikipedia! Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 02:04, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

AxolotlBinturongFren97

Is this page a U5?--Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 02:46, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

• Hmm possibly. Question of judgment: they obviously haven't done anything yet, but in such a case, when it isn't spam or something, I'd let it ride for a bit. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 02:50, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Victoria–Courtenay train

Not only was the IP right about the kilometer/mile issue...turns out I was the one who introduced the error in the first place, back in 2013: [12]. Sigh...--Mackensen (talk) 02:48, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

• Thanks for checking! I appreciate it. 2013 was a difficult year for many. There was a certain Auburn game, and then a loss in a bowl game... Anyway, I expect you fixed the article, and I thank you for it. Drmies (talk) 02:55, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for responding to most of my questions regarding your candidacy for ArbCom. I am thanking you here so as to avoid clutter at that page. --David Tornheim (talk) 22:44, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

• Ha, sure thing--thanks for asking them. I have to tell you, I thought of asking questions, in past elections, but I can't really come up with good ones, so I appreciate you and your colleagues taking the time and putting in the effort. I'm not sure if we've really met or worked together, but you've been here a long time and I appreciate your service. Drmies (talk) 00:52, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for graciously answering all eight of my questions--probably the most of any questioner. If you feel I have reached my limit, I understand--I don't want to overdo it. I do have another one that is complicated I asked some other candidates. --David Tornheim (talk) 08:18, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Sonic Boom of the South

DrMies,

• What are you talking about with the Sonic Boom post? I literally cited every notable moment on the list before you deleted it. The purpose of the article should be to provide information about the marching band. That's the purpose of the list. It's not an advertisement. Those are verifiable, historical facts.

• The Fonzworth Bentley mention and the other social media links are celebrity mentions of the marching band... again this is information. What is your issue with me providing tidbits and facts about this organization?

• If you are truly interested in collaborating, leave notes by any information you see that is not verified instead of continuing to delete information I've worked hard to compile. Take that step before attempting to lecture me on what's acceptable. Let's collaborate.

• Why did you delete the staff section? Was that not "acceptable"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1877History (talk • contribs) 05:34, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Your and @Marchjuly: efforts to clean this up are admirable. GiantSnowman 08:59, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

1877History--let's see. Listing the entire staff (in bold print!) in an infobox serves no purpose. Someone mentioning something on social media is not encyclopedic, unless secondary sources report it--and even then, it's possibly trivial. Imagine mentioning every social media post by some (semi-)notable person for 2018 Alabama Crimson Tide football team. Your shoutout to collaboration is admirable, but comes only after you reverted without explanation and removed valid tags. No, you did not cite "every notable moment", neither literally nor figuratively. You may discuss this on the talk page. Drmies (talk) 15:20, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

• DYK that Sonic Boom of the South's distinctive musical style came about as a result of a jazz singer's bad financial decisions and gambling? No point in faffing about with recent stuff when there's plenty of interesting history in the source. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 19:21, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

No one except the director should be mentioned unless they meet our criteria for notability. Thanks to those who cleared this up. Doug Weller talk 21:22, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Feldenkrais Method

Just getting the feeling that the IPs at this page are possibly connected to User:Margot Edwards, who had loaded the page with promotional rubbish prior to the IPs appearing. Home Lander (talk) 01:22, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

• Hmm I do science (well, technology), and that doesn't prove your point, I'm afraid. But if this goes on we may have to semi-protect. Thanks! Drmies (talk) 01:24, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

  Drmies, yeah, nothing to go on for sure unfortunately. ☹️ Home Lander (talk) 01:27, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Robert "Judge" Hughes

Yep he appears notable to me. GiantSnowman 08:58, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

• User:GiantSnowman, I'm getting to work on that draft, but what do we call it? Plus, he had a career in the NFL too...and that may matter for the name as well. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 00:15, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
• This is all I could do with the draft--I'm sure you know exactly which sources to cull for what kind of information, and what templates and categories to include: if you can do that, that would be great, and I know you can do in five minutes what would take me hours... Drmies (talk) 00:32, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

There's already Robert Hughes (American football) so I've moved it to just Robert "Judge" Hughes for now. GiantSnowman 17:22, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for your help, Giantsnowman. You're the expert, and I appreciate it. Drmies (talk) 18:20, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

WP:AN discussion

I started a discussion to get clarification at WP:AN#When is a name problematic enough to be immediately hardblocked?. Fram (talk) 19:33, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Instructor Identification for Wiki Education Courses

Hi Drmies - I wanted to respond to your comment from the conversation on Gardneca's article talk page. It seemed more appropriate over here, so I hope you don't mind. We are looking into ways to make instructor identification and course association easier for other editors. I think this makes a lot of sense and would benefit everyone involved. We hope to have an update soon, but I wanted to let you know that we are working on this. Best, Will (Wiki Ed) (talk) 19:55, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

• Excellent. I think that will make a lot of people happy. Take care, Drmies (talk) 21:35, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

The Despicables

Martinevans123 lounging in his comfortable kaftan

Seems to be a club of Arbs and former Arbs. Apparently you are now in it, along with Opabinia. Although I am not in any of those groups/clubs, I bid you welcome. Softlavender (talk) 15:49, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

• Well, you know, I am "not good at defending enwiki against even the most blatant disruptive editors", so maybe I shouldn't be in any club. Get your admin glasses and check out what kinds of things come with the membership. Wait: Opbinia? She should be on payroll. She's my hero. Drmies (talk) 19:11, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

DYK that an anagram for despicable is escaped lib which I think suits you better and also tickles my fancy (moreso than clap beside or bad eclipse). You do an enormous amount of good here, including keeping me sane, a service which cannot be overvalued.-- Jezebel's Ponyo^{bons mots} 21:09, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

I've actually got a signed copy of the The Placid Bees' very collectable first album. Came with a free kaftan. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:17, 28 November 2018 (UTC) p.s. I must apologise if Young Leon has made me look a bit too much like an overweight Vladimir Putin.

It's positively Malkovichian.-- Jezebel's Ponyo^{bons mots} 23:17, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

ArbCom

Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#2017 ArbCom and the GdB unban. Fram (talk) 11:11, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Sock puppets inquiry

Regarding your questions about socks ([13]) at Talk:Jordan Peterson, as well as the IPs comments at admins Swarm and Courcelles talk pages ([14], [15], but this didn't report although it could be related to vandalism protection), see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/PeterTheFourth.--Miki Filigranski (talk) 14:22, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

• Thank you. Miki, please see my response there. You may not like it, but it's also an invitation to look for additional (read, "different") evidence. Drmies (talk) 15:53, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

SEC champs

Congratulations, Professor :^) Tiderolls 00:51, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

• Tide rolls I have no doubt it was all you. OMG what a game. Drmies (talk) 02:49, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Rabiu Ibrahim

What do you make of this (good evening first, where are my manners?!)? It has been like this for nearly one decade, i had forgotten all about it (well, it seems all the other users who could care too) then went to take a peak at piece today to find (not all, just the part i'm going to speak about next) it in absolute shambles!

References #15 through #20 (and excepting #18), all in appalling Google Translate display (i remember talking to the user that inserted them back in the day as well as someone else, i'm not sure about anyone else being involved to be sure, or what came of said discussion(s)). I tried to arrange them the best i could - well, originally i tried to arranged brand new sources. I did use GT myself, profitting from the title in English and translating it to Dutch to see if any such newspaper title was available in the Dutch web, i found out it was not! For the love of God, what does "PSV free transfer student Ibrahim explains long time" even mean in English?!

Any suggestions? Have a pleasant week, from Portugal --Quite A Character (talk) 03:05, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

• A fellow user has already taken care of the GOOGLE T bit marvellously, sorry to bother you. --Quite A Character (talk) 18:09, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
• Haha, sorry I was a bit slow getting here. Glad it got worked out. Always good to see you, AL. Drmies (talk) 18:34, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

December 2018

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Phi Sigma Alpha; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Points to note:

1. Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. El Johnson (talk) 19:09, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

• El Johnson, please report me for edit warring. PLEASE. I can do with a laugh. Here, I'll list my revert, [16], to make it easy on you. Don't forget yours since 30 October: [17], [18], [19], [20], [21]. Drmies (talk) 19:20, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

What happened to don't template the regulars? Geoff | ^{Who, me?} 19:21, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Oh, I don't care so much about that, I'm fine with regulars being templated. It's odd that one revert is edit warring, according to Mr. Five Times. Drmies (talk) 19:22, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Would you be so kind as to instruct me why is "Who's who in finance and industry" not a reliable source? El Johnson (talk) 19:56, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Regarding its use as a reliable source, Who's Who is a tertiary compendia-type publication wherein the subjects often submit their own bios for inclusion. It does not meet the independent secondary source criteria required in a BLP. The consensus that it does not meet WP:RS has been upheld at the reliable sources noticeboard. We could discuss it further but you've clearly blown through WP:3RR and I imagine a block is imminent.-- Jezebel's Ponyo^{bons mots} 20:58, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Regulars need more templates. Especially in cases where a template is mandatory. Apart from that, bleh. MPS1992 (talk) 22:05, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

User:Nightscream

You know how you have a final warning for this user for hostility? Well, he dismissively removed that and shamelessly continues to belittle me by implying I'm an idiot. The user has made it painfully obvious that he doesn't care about rules against insulting others. Can you please block him, especially if his hostility keeps up? He has no excuse for his actions. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 18:01, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

• Ugh. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 18:30, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Sure thing. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 20:33, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
    • I just blocked Ioposso Leggoescrivere as I think it's block evasion by Nightscream (started user and talk pages in the same way, made a comment at Nightscream's talk page as Nightscream, massive overlap of editing areas); I haven't made any changes to Nightscream's block but as it's late here in the UK, I'm going to leave any consideration of that until tomorrow. If you want to do otherwise in the meantime feel free. Nthep (talk) 22:56, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
      • The two users appear to be  Unrelated.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:45, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
        • Hmm thank you both. Interesting. I'm glad they appear to be unrelated--I wouldn't want Nightscream to dig deeper. Drmies (talk) 23:59, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
          • I am hoping that it is all entirely unrelated to ITV Nightscreen. Why are so many asterisks needed? MPS1992 (talk) 00:11, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
            • Accessibility reasons: RexxS, this is right, right? Drmies (talk) 02:45, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
              • Indeed Drmies. If folks want to be kind to screen reader users, they will keep the exact indentation format of the comment to which they are replying, and then add one level to the indentation for their comment. Cheers --RexxS (talk) 12:59, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
          • Unrelated. Ok. I'm going to leave the indef in place but I'll change the reason to impersonation. Nightscream must have got himself a stalker who really wants to drop him in it. Nthep (talk) 09:56, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Don't look on the front page

See inside the book. Αντικαθεστωτικός (talk) 21:26, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

• Wut? Drmies (talk) 21:26, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Oh my.

diff Maybe a revdel is needed? Neo^t/_c 21:29, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Nevermind, just saw you did it. Jeez, that was offensive. Neo^t/_c 21:30, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

It's someone who spends their free time creating accounts and then editing to harass me and a couple of other editors. Sad. They're kind of like Iago, I suppose--I doubt they hate third-gender people, I doubt they even know what that means (and it sure wouldn't be an insult to me), they just try to find someone's sore spot. They do this regularly: if you see it, revert and notify an admin, whoever's on call. Thanks! Drmies (talk) 21:33, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Please what?

Do you think that's even helpful. Why not ask the admin to please stop? Oh.. never mind.- MrX 🖋 16:43, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

• I don't know what your "oh never mind" means--probably something about some blue line? No, you're practically harassing the person. I'm not the only one to tell you so. Drmies (talk) 17:58, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
  • No I'm not. What I wrote is substantially similar to the criticism from Fram, Swarm, and now Ivanvector. The difference is, I'm not an admin so I should shut the hell up. You conveniently skimmed right over the part where Ivanvector accused me of "just chasing GiantSnowman around" without any evidence—evidence which doesn't exist because it never happened. - MrX 🖋 20:30, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
    • Yes you're being totally oppressed. Sheesh. Get away from my talk page, I have no time or interest in you whining over this. Yeah, seriously, Fram and I are the best of buddies. Fool. (I think "fool" is borderline under our insult guidelines. Don't answer that.) Drmies (talk) 01:06, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

FYI

OMG THERES BABY ONES

With hallongrotta

Hello D. This weekend I found that three holiday episodes of GBBO have been added to Netflix. My sweet tooth couldn't be happier. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 23:48, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

• Woohoo! Ha, I'll have to tell the kids, so they can find it for me. Thanks! Oh, that reminds me. We (Rosie and me) were talking about death and stuff, and I wanted to tell her to make sure they play "The Big Sky" at my funeral, but she interrupted me to say, "that we make a Princess Cake?" Also the right answer! Drmies (talk) 23:57, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Good choices both indeed. Thanks for the links. MarnetteD|Talk 02:09, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Correction D. There are only two episodes. I mistook the advert in the Netflix menu for the series for a full episode. Apologies for not fully checking the WP:RS. Hopefully this will save your kids from searching for something that isn't there :-) MarnetteD|Talk 06:12, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

What are you doing, Drmies, dead or alive, linking to some external site? Naturally we have an article about the iconic Princess cake. Indeed I once protected it as one of Wikipedia's most important articles.[22] Bishonen | talk 17:30, 6 December 2018 (UTC).

Well there's Princess cake, and then There's The One. Drmies (talk) 17:59, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Wait. Does IKEA in the US sell those little ones? If so, I'm driving to Atlanta NOW. Drmies (talk) 18:03, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

I couldn't say. But in any case, our article should always be linked to, not so much because of the baby, but because its other image features a slice of princess cake with a hallongrotta. A one-two to dignify any festive occasion. What else need one ever eat? Bishonen | talk 20:12, 6 December 2018 (UTC).

I am enjoying this conversation :-) In another couple of months I hope you will all have a hetvägg. --bonadea contributions talk 21:43, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Will be available in Stockholm by Christmas, Bonadea. Now we are both supposed to decry the decadence of that. But I refuse. Mmmmm, the cardamom. Bishonen | talk 22:24, 6 December 2018 (UTC).

I most definitely won't have a "hetvägg". I can't for the life of me understand why anyone would want to ruin a fastlagsbulle by pouring hot milk over it. It's bad for your health too, as can be seen by Adolf Fredrik (an 18th C king of Sweden, in case anyone didn't know...) dying after eating too many of them (described by a contemporary as "Det är ej att omkomma på det mest lysande sätt, utan att dö en prostdöd"). - Tom | Thomas.W ^talk 22:43, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

I, too, prefer Heißewecken without milk. As to princess cake, you can count me in, but when did IKEA change them to pink?!? Btw, not available at the Atlanta store. De728631 (talk) 23:09, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure I can answer that: when Estelle was born in 2012. There was a media frenzy of royalism and a pâtisserie frenzy of pink princess cake on that occasion (both of them regrettable if you ask me). Bishonen | talk 04:49, 7 December 2018 (UTC).

Not in Atlanta...you're correct, I checked...while Rosie was crying along with me... Still I'd hate to die a prostdood too (thanks Google Translate)... Drmies (talk) 01:12, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Google Translate is notoriously bad at translating Swedish, no matter which language it tries to translate it into, one of the reasons for that being that many words have two or more totally different meanings, making any translation highly context dependent (such as "utan", which can mean both "without" and "but", depending on context). A type of translation Google Translate can't handle. "Prostdöd" would be "proostdood" in Dutch, BTW, and a correct translation into English of the quote in my post would be "It's not to perish/die in a most glorious way (as would be expected of a king), but to die the death of a provost". - Tom | Thomas.W ^talk 07:52, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

• But how did he die? Doesn't seem to be food poisoning or choking on his or someone else's vomit. Ruptured colon, heart attack from physical pressure, accidental asphyxiation from his farts, runaway chemical reaction from mixing kippers and champagne, killed by his own tastebuds in a manner too gruesome to be described here? Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 08:51, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

The official cause of death was indigestion, after consuming large quantities of "hetvägg", sauerkraut, turnips, caviar, lobster, buckling (i.e. smoked herring) and champagne... - Tom | Thomas.W ^talk 10:03, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

But who dies of indigestion? Apart from Mr Creosote. Ruptured oesophagus, maybe? Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 11:36, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

"Indigestion" was probably as exact a diagnosis as you could get from a mid-18thC doctor. - Tom | Thomas.W ^talk 13:32, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Flags (re my talk page)

Can you please take a look at [23] and others in the range? I have no idea if they're [24] or just coincidentally another confused person editing flags (perhaps the latter, since they do actually seem to know what a talk page is). I'm sorry to dump this in your lap but I am off to bed and have no idea what to do about it. Pinkbeast (talk) 02:56, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

• I can see why you think that, but I can't prove it. Sorry. Drmies (talk) 02:59, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
• I reverted, and warned. I think that's warranted given that they seem to be continuing someone's edit war, and without explanations. Drmies (talk) 03:03, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Re "can't prove it", I did really mean, I have no idea if they're a sock or not (different modus operandi but it would seem to strain coincidence to suppose two different people have a great attachment to the same bogus flag), but either way they seem less than useful. Thanks for dealing with it. Pinkbeast (talk) 15:56, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

ygm

Hello, Drmies. Please check your email; you've got mail!
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.

Praxidicae (talk) 20:12, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

A fellow that doesn't need a fone call

Hello Drmies, please could you or one of your talk page stalkers revdel this and the revision before. Many thanks. MPS1992 (talk) 18:46, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

Talk page stalker, reporting for duty.  Done. Revdel'd, and sent to OS list for oversighting if needed. --Floquenbeam (talk) 18:52, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, it is greatly appreciated. I agree that the OS thing is policy, although I've never really understood it, since it is unlikely that you or Drmies or any other admin is likely to be phoning up a strange phone number in these circumstances. But if it potentially helps keep people safe then it's all good. My own personal worry was the intention expressed in the edit and the possible consequences for the editor if that intention were noticed -- even if said editor might perhaps be a bad actor, some of the possibilities do not sit well with me. After revdel, I believe that is no longer a problem. Thank you again. MPS1992 (talk) 21:42, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

Oh -- and also the bad actor, if they were such, now probably doesn't get what they wanted in their edit, so that's another nice outcome from this. OK, enough from me. MPS1992 (talk) 21:48, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

Thanks y'all. Drmies (talk) 23:02, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

Look

... at the church where I sang unforgettable concerts, Bedford Presbyterian Church (New York), and the edit history, - tiring rollback. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:59, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) protected for 12 hours, by which time it will be off the main page. Unfortunate, but I think three IPs vandalizing is quite enough. Vanamonde (talk) 17:14, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:02, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

You are invited to listen today to Pauken and Trumpeten, DYK? Tönet, ihr Pauken!, which they shall do ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:08, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

Uh...

This discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Were you not aware of this being vandalism? Also, the edit after did not make it better, at all. -- 1989 (talk) 20:31, 6 December 2018 (UTC) No, why? And sheesh, what's with the shitty tone? You're the second one today. Drmies (talk) 01:03, 7 December 2018 (UTC) It's quite simple. It should of been very obvious. IPs are known for false edit summaries to commit vandalism. It was just protected yesterday because of the person using socks to remove the same thing over and over. Instead of reverting them, you chose to remove the rest of what they removed for a different reason. Jeez, for an admin, you'd know what vandalism is. -- 1989 (talk) 01:37, 7 December 2018 (UTC) I see y'all like your Wikia-style fan pages. Drmies (talk) 01:15, 7 December 2018 (UTC) Call it what you like. It's still a quality article, and your edit did nothing to contribute that further, but allowed vandalism to fly over your head. -- 1989 (talk) 01:37, 7 December 2018 (UTC) Bullshit. It may have flown over your head. And "IPs are known for false edit summaries to commit vandalism" is despicable. Don't come back here no more. Drmies (talk) 02:09, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

• I loved that song.--Bbb23 (talk) 02:19, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
  • On an equally bright note, Bbb, check it out: editor is adding pronunciation with citations. Not quite sure what to think of it, but it's impressive. Drmies (talk) 02:28, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
    • Haha! An impressive sock.--Bbb23 (talk) 02:32, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
      • You're kidding. You recognized it, how? and who is it? Drmies (talk) 02:34, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
        • LOL. It didn't strike you as the least bit odd that a new user with that username should be doing something quite so weird? Apparently, the name of the master is ZenZung (talk · contribs · count), with socks like GAY Nishikori GAY (talk · contribs · count), Gay Nishikori (talk · contribs · count), Nishikori Gay (talk · contribs · count), Marc Ruth (talk · contribs · count) (how the hell did he get in there?), and more. I'm off to bed. Sweet dreams.--Bbb23 (talk) 04:02, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
          • Oh, it struck me as very odd--the name and the edits--but I hadn't seen anything that tingled my Spidey senses. Drmies (talk) 15:23, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
          • Another valiant effort at adding pronunciations but foiled again. Galobtter (pingó mió) 07:36, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
            • No sleepers. Drmies (talk) 16:10, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

Spurious removal of CSD G4-tag by an editor who can't possibly see if the new article is substantially different from the one deleted at AfD

Hello. The reason I chose to post here is that I noticed that you posted a warning on the user's talk page last November, and thus have seen them before. I posted a CSD G4-tag on Mister Supranational (a pageant that is a sibling of Miss Supranational, and a look at the deletion log of that article, with a connection to a blocked sockmaster and paid editing, should give you a clue about what this is about...) yesterday, only to have the tag removed by an editor claiming that it has "extra content and references compared to the Jan 2017 AfD", which is a bit odd considering that the user who did it isn't an admin and did not take part in the AfD-discussion, and thus can't possibly know what the original article looked like. That there would be differences is obvious, since the new one mentions yeraly pageant events that hadn't yet taken place back then, but that does IMHO not make them substantially different. The new article is now also edited by IPs and user accounts that mostly edit beauty pageant stuff, a pattern that makes me suspect paid and/or COI editing. So would you mind taking a look at the version that was deleted at AfD, compare it to the new version, and then either toss a trout my way or restore the CSD-tag/delete the article? Cheers, - Tom | Thomas.W ^talk 19:28, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) There's no way on earth that was a correct G4, and the decline was completely correct. The version deleted at AfD was an ultrastub with 597 bytes of text, certainly not "substantially identical". ‑ Iridescent 19:35, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

@Iridescent: Which neither I nor the editor who removed the tag could possibly know, only an admin. So G4-tags should IMHO be removed by admins only... - Tom | Thomas.W ^talk 19:46, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

Thomas.W Just g5 it. Praxidicae (talk) 19:41, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)I don't see why a non-admin should not remove a G4 if the editor knows it is an invalid speedy request, having seen and remembering.the previously deleted version.. Meters (talk) 20:03, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

And yes, some editors do on occasion read articles at AFD and then not leave comments, particularly if the outcome of the AFD is clear and there is nothing useful to add to the discussion. Meters (talk) 20:10, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

In principle Meters is absolutely correct, Thomas, but I'm not going to trout anyone (people in glass houses, you know...). In general it is true that without previous knowledge it's well-nigh impossible for a non-admin to know whether there's a substantial difference between two versions, sure, but that there's no previous knowledge cannot be taken for granted. (And I suppose there's ways to see, off-wiki, what some deleted article looked like...) Drmies (talk) 21:39, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

• G4 isn't very far away from G5.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:21, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Well, well, article creator CU-blocked as sock and article deleted per CSD G5... - Tom | Thomas.W ^talk 21:54, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
    • Bbb is worth their weight in steak frites. Drmies (talk) 21:58, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

My Sandbox

I'm a little annoyed you deleted my sandbox while I was editing it.

• Sorry, but you were warned months ago what Wikipedia was not... if you want to keep this content off-wiki I can email it to you. Drmies (talk) 05:16, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

Okay. Email me it Farnell45 (talk) 05:19, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

• Check and let me know if you got it. Drmies (talk) 05:23, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

• I got it. Thank you, now all those years weren't for nothing.
  • OK. Ranking Friendship Is Magic episodes and doing reality games can be very time-consuming, no doubt. Drmies (talk) 05:51, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

Fajitas and gingerbread houses

Snowing here, so today is the day for drinking, fires in the fireplace, and not studying. All of which are more important than paperwork. TonyBallioni (talk) 22:13, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) Out this way we call those storm beers, and we have a small supply tucked away in the basement for those occasions. It's a small supply because we keep, er, "refreshing" it. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 14:27, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

Indef-blocked IP

Was looking through database reports and spotted this IP block. I'm guessing you didn't mean to indef it, since it's an IP rather than an account. Home Lander (talk) 00:57, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

• You guessed correctly. Drmies (talk) 01:11, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Something led me to Wikipedia:Database reports. My word, there is a lot of work to be done here. By the way, there's a range that you also blocked indef. Kudpung changed the block reason, but I'm guessing the indef-block was overlooked. Home Lander (talk) 01:29, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
    • No, Kudpung most likely misclicked while changing the block reason. Misclicking is easily done. Drmies (talk) 01:32, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

On the way to work (9am here). Possible. feel free to change anything. If it was a proxy, indef may have been appropriate. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:13, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Indef of an IP, proxy or no, is never appropriate.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:29, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

Despite that, if you take a look at Wikipedia:Database reports/Range blocks, there are quite few indefinite blocks of even massive ranges.. Galobtter (pingó mió) 10:41, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

Shocking. An excellent weekend project for you: fix it.--Bbb23 (talk) 12:59, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

Not a bad idea Oshwah did something similar a year ago. I created User:Galobtter/Indefinitely blocked IP ranges; now I have to look through it.

Apparently the range Kudpung blocked indefinitely belongs to Opera Software Galobtter (pingó mió) 14:18, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

We're not allowed to block ranges larger than /16 (/32 for IPv6) so the software does not allow it. We're also not allowed to indefinitely block any IP or range, but the software does not prevent it. Does this seem like a contradiction? Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 14:26, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

One can actually block ranges larger than /16; just have to make multiple blocks (256 /16 blocks are a /8 block). Indefinite IP blocks probably should be disallowed by the software. Galobtter (pingó mió) 14:33, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

User talk:Ac 12romero22

I just gave him an only warning for a huge deletion at Stateless nation and noticed this speedy notice and that his sandbox has been deleted twice. It's back: User:Ac 12romero22/sandbox. Doug Weller talk 12:35, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

• Oh, yeah, that one--thanks. I see Bbb23 has acted in an administrative capacity. Drmies (talk) 01:49, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

IP 125.212.176.0/20

Hi Drmies. I saw you blocked one of these IP 125s. Just for reference (see this). IPs beginning with 125 have been having at flag articles since about the beginning of October. Block one and a new one just appears. WP:PP seems to slow them down a bit, but they just seem to show up again after the PP expires. All the IPs seem to be the same person, even though technically they may different IPs or different groupings of IPs. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:37, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

• Marchjuly, you may have seen I placed a rangeblock--look in my log if you can. I have a few other things to take care of before I can get on it. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 15:25, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Thank you for checking on this. Perhaps a rangeblock will slow this person down a bit. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:03, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
    • That's always the best we can hope for. Rehabilitation is not often an option with such editors. Drmies (talk) 01:50, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Chungha

Yesterday I began gutting all unreliable resources for that article and tagging what needed cites. Today I've started replacing with cites and there is an editor who keeps removing my banners as I work and editing. Furthermore, they do not put cites in when they add info and are making the article worse. I already reported them for vandalism but I wasn't sure if that was the best route. Could you also wait to edit until I have the article improved because it's a mess right now and I'm trying to fix it.Ukiss2ne14lyfe (talk) 18:16, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

• I already warned them; I don't think any administrator is going to block them, since they haven't returned to the article. You know my edits were minor, and I'm done with it now anyway. Next time, sure, warn and report to AIV--but asking for them to be blocked after an admin (in this case, me) has already warned them is probably unfruitful. Maybe I'm wrong--check on AIV and/or the user's talk page. Now, if they return to that behavior they may end up blocked. I won't be doing it, since I'm out the door. Good luck, Drmies (talk) 18:21, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
• But really, doing stuff like this just suggests you're about as disruptive as that other editor. Maybe you two deserve each other. Drmies (talk) 18:22, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
  • There's a clear banner stating editing is being done and as I do it you start gutting the page? You just caused more problems with the article. The banner is there for a reason it wouldn't have been created otherwise. Anyways, I'm done so go to town on it. I gave up tracking down all the award articles. I didn't delete them but I doubt anyone will put in ref's anyways since it's been like that over a year.Ukiss2ne14lyfe (talk) 04:03, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Remove talk page access

Hi Drmies, I wanted to let you know that I just requested to remove the user’s talk page because he vandalised it after you indefinitely blocked the user. Sheldybett (talk) 15:18, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

List of Eat Bulaga! segments

Good Day! I just noticed you placed the Proposed deletion tag for the List of Eat Bulaga! segments page due to this reason: This already trivial/non-notable list seems to be nothing more than an excuse for a million YouTube links. I am one of the major contributors of the article. I'll explain my reasons first. I also use YouTube video links as a reference because I believe this is a solid reference for something like a segment of a certain TV show. What should I do to keep the article remain on Wikipedia and not be deleted? Should I remove all the YouTube link references? If I should delete all the YouTube links I can comply to that just to preserve the article. I'm asking because this article is a great reference for those who are searching for the list of Eat Bulaga! segments, and it will be very much disappointing if this article will be deleted. Thanks! Totodilefan30 (talk) 02:13, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

• Hi Totodilefan30. Sorry, this must be harsh. Here's the thing--YouTube "references" are primary sources. They can be used in certain circumstances, but in this case what we have is basically what we call a linkfarm. The bigger thing is notability for the list itself, which requires secondary sourcing. We can't just assume that such segments are notable, or that a list of such segments is notable, and I don't see how this list is really suitable for Wikipedia. I'm sure Wikia will be happy to take it, but in an encyclopedia, probably not. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 02:56, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
  • I should also note that aside from YouTube videos, I also include several sources from newspaper articles, internet news articles, blogs, magazines, interviews, etc. So what should I do to preserve the article? If I will remove all the Youtube video links in the references, will it be preserved? Totodilefan30 (talk) 03:30, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
    • (talk page watcher) I'm counting approximately 100 YouTube videos; if those were removed the article would still have 190 citations. The various segments may have notability as a list due to the fact that the show is the longest-running noontime show in Philippine television history. So perhaps the list of the segments is notable in the same way the various segments or episodes of Masterpiece Theater over the long-running course of its history have been. (I'm just thinking aloud; I may not be correct.) Then again, if it's just a copy of this Wikia, I'm not sure there needs to be a Wikipedia article on them: [25]. In any case, the YouTubes have got to go -- most of them are copyright violations in the first place. Softlavender (talk) 05:41, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
      • OK, so I removed all the YouTube references and citations. It's up to you wiki Admins if you will still continue to delete the article, but I do hope you will retain and preserve the article. Totodilefan30 (talk) 07:13, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
      • Thanks Softlavender for preserving the article. Totodilefan30 (talk) 07:27, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
        • Totodilefan30, Please do not add any Youtube links to copyrighted material (such as music videos or episodes of a TV show) where the owner of the material has not uploaded it to Youtube; see WP:LINKVIO. For example, it is fine to link to this youtube video because it is uploaded officially by Eat Bulaga, but one cannot link to videos of Eat Bulaga segments that are not uploaded by them. Galobtter (pingó mió) 07:43, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
• Galobtter, thanks for cleaning up. Hope it didn't give you RSI. Softlavender, I do not believe this list, and most other lists, are notable, but I suppose that's for AfD, where no doubt I'll get more egg on my face. List of Masterpiece Theatre episodes isn't really a good comparison: those are stand-alone things and here we're really talking about segments; segments and episodes aren't the same, and I regularly remove lists of segments from those dumb-ass radio shows some of our family members listen to. By the way, the first reference I looked at on the newly-cleaned up page was to Facebook. Drmies (talk) 17:17, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

  There is an somewhat better older version that at-least does not have any Facebook references.. Galobtter (pingó mió) 17:22, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Full steam ahead...

Hey, Drmies - I need your input, please. We've got a few stubs that I'm thinking might serve readers better as an election year list, but I don't know if it should be a combined list with only the winning parties or if we should have an annual list of all parties, and then wikilink to an article that lists only the winning parties? See: Bonaire Patriotic Union, Bonaire Democratic Party and Bonaire_Social_Party. You know more about the Dutch governing system than I do - I just live under it - but it is my understanding that when election time rolls around, various parties are formed. In 2017, there were 81 registered parties. The provided link is, in part, a good example for including the 2017 primary parties in a single article rather than having individual stubs. ^{Atsme✍🏻📧} 16:16, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

• 81? That's crazy. But I'm afraid I don't know how to answer your question. I stay out of those kinds of articles--winning parties and all that is like playoffs and Tour de France: the articles are dominated by templates and standard layout, from top (general election articles) to bottom (individuals, parties), and I don't know my way well enough in those minefields. But in general, pre-election, it seems to me that a "total" list, with all the parties, is the best service we can provide to the reader, so if you want to do that I think you'd be doing us all a favor. Plus, as far as I'm concerned not all elements of such a list should have to have their own Wikipedia article etc.; as long as a party (or person) is electable, or probably electable, and verifiably so, they'd deserve inclusion, no? Drmies (talk) 16:55, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
• Wait, now I understand what you mean, I think (sorry, I'm dense this morning): for Bonaire Social Party, a list of the parties that ran in, what, in this case 2002? OK, but the basic principle is the same--whether we have that stub or an entry on a list of all parties that ran in 2002 or whenever, we need sourcing. I looked, for this one (and tried to ping you in an edit summary), but can't find a single thing. I suppose there's official primary documentation, een kieslijst, from 2002 that lists the party, but I don't even see that in my (cursory) search...

  I think we should have all parties in a list article, and have wikilinks-->stubs/articles for the ones that either won or are otherwise notable. So Bonaire Social Party might well become a redirect if we have a list article, yes. Drmies (talk) 17:01, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

  • As for that myriad of parties--the kiesdrempel is relatively low, of course, but the more I look around in the world the more I'm starting to think that the US and UK are the outliers, with maybe Germany and France in between, in terms of the number of parties that have a shot at getting elected. 81 is pretty crazy, of course, but only 13 got in, haha. What's interesting is that the link you posted does say 81 parties, but 2017 Dutch general election doesn't list nearly as many. Don't know what to think about that. Wow, 82% turnout? Drmies (talk) 17:10, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Fortunately, the Netherlands Antilles (and all the political corruption) was dissolved 10/10/10, so whatever happened when it existed is for historic reference. Bonaire is now one of three BES Islands, and a public body of the Netherlands (associated with the EU as a territory but we ignore their laws), and voted down the Euro, opting for the US $ instead. I know that when it's time for a political vote, there are pages of parties and candidates of all colors - meaning green party, blue party, red party, etc. I just vote for the locals I know will do a good job. I'll take a stab at organizing something for the various parties in an effort to eliminate some of the confusion but I'd much rather work on horse and dog articles 🐎 🐩🐶 - and I make no guarantees!! Thx for looking at it! ^{Atsme✍🏻📧} 19:33, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

• So what's the vote for? I mean, they vote in the Dutch general elections, but "mainland" Dutchies also vote in European, municipal, and provincial elections--what are the BES equivalents of those? Oh, they are municipalities? (I'm looking at the BES infobox.) The Lt. Gov. is "like" a mayor, so he's appointed by the Dutch government? Drmies (talk) 00:23, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
• Ah I see the BES article answers most of those questions--sorry, should have looked at the text also. But is the "Governing Council" different from the (locally elected) "island council"? Drmies (talk) 00:25, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

Stop Making Anti-truth Changes

You need to do better, Drmies. I'm tired of you pushing your hateful views on Wikipedia. Please take a moment to evaluate your problematic behavior. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Buck12341 (talk • contribs) 21:36, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

This is about Talk:Mass shootings in the United States? I responded there, but it does look like Drmies has actually been quite polite. --GRuban (talk) 21:52, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

For a change! Yeah, I guess that's the modern way to talk to people--even if you never met them before, you try to condescend them preemptively. Please note what all was on the talk page before they blanked it--and note what that person said about Ta-Nehisi Coates. I think I've been way too nice. And do we still have DS on guns? Cause they hit the trifecta, I suppose. Drmies (talk) 22:44, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

@Buck12341:, if you find a reliabe source that backs your article statement I will help you integrated them via the talk page With group consensus. I suspect that Drmies would be more than willing to do the same. Drmies is a fair editor and has done nothing here to warrant a personal attack. I get that the rules can be frustrating when we know we are right but we still have to abide them. Civility goes along way even when we don't agree. Springee (talk) 01:12, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

"Attack"

Yes, you are emotional. You're also a poor spin artist. If I didn't attack you, then who exactly did I attack? According to you, the mentally ill, but you and I both know that that was a bold-faced lie. You specifically accused me of 'Harassment', which is odd because nothing on the 'Wikipedia:Harassment' page applies to what I did/said. You can read it and see for yourself that I wasn't in violation of anything. Arbitrarily applying rules out of partisan spite isn't appropriate here. This was the comment that got under your skin: 'The attacker in Paris today screamed "Allahu Akbar" as he stabbed multiple people. Those "mentally ill" (i.e. Muslim terrorists) people sure do love the phrase.' The reality is I didn't 'attack' anyone. I challenged your Muslim apologist excuse-making and pointed out how common it is for Muslim terrorists to shout 'Allahu Akbar' during a terrorist attack. And, hey, what do you know? It happened again today in Strasbourg. But his mental illness probably drove him to do it, too. I read the sources back when I first responded. They're inconsequential to the point I made. Stories about being beat up by his brother and his father dying have absolutely nothing to do with anything. Having a stable home life is not a precondition to being a Muslim terrorist. By the way, in case you didn't know (and I know how important facts are to you), mental illness and Muslim terrorism are not mutually exclusive ideas. Contrary to popul...your thinking, a person can have both a mental illness and an ideology that drives them to do certain things, like kill people in the name of Allah. Realnb (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:50, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

• I personally think that semolina flour is heavily underused in American cuisine--no idea why griesmeelpudding isn't catching on. Is it cause we don't have the right currants to make currant sauce with? But any jam with berries is an easy and delicious substitute. Drmies (talk) 22:07, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
  • It is so lovely to see some vegetarian food options being discussed here for once. MPS1992 (talk) 22:10, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
  • You know, I feel the exact same way about damson plums. My aunt sure could make a mean damson jelly. I miss that stuff. Softlavender (talk) 22:11, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
    • Damson plums? That's fascinating. Softlavender, you'll have to tell us about your aunt. History, locations, recipes, memories, the whole thing. Please. Drmies (talk) 00:19, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
      • Greensboro, NC. Damson jelly is delicious; slightly tart with a light, ineffable sweetness that is hard to describe. Delicious on toast. (I don't have the recipe, but I see there's recipes on Google [26].) I imagine the recipe came down from my grandmother (next door), who grew tons of fruit and was an excellent cook. My aunt and grandma also made delicious persimmon pudding. Do ya'll have that in 'Bama? Softlavender (talk) 01:01, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
        • Interesting, thanks. I'd loved to have chatted some with your grandmother. Yes, people here grow persimmons; I've eaten them on occasion. Psst...no one says "'Bama"...first of all no one does that apostrophe, and second "Bama" means the football team/school. Oh it's also a brand that makes el cheapo strawberry jam, which I do not recommend UNLESS you baste chicken wings in it, with crazy hot peppers. Drmies (talk) 01:25, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
          • My grandmother's name was Jimmy Hendrix, so you know she was awesome. When she was born, her father said she looked like lilies and pearls, so he named her Lillie Pearl James. Her basic attitude was fuck that shit, so in school she quickly acquired the name "Jimmy" (from her last name), and it stuck for life. She married a dude named Hendrix so she became Jimmy Hendrix. Also, she was a professional solo singer before she married, in an age where women, much less Southern belles, did not have professional jobs. Softlavender (talk) 01:55, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
  • I'm pretty sure this is a copyright violation. But, I can't find the original; so I'lll have to let it go. O3000 (talk) 22:13, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

This is a nice surprise. I expected you to invent another bogus reason to ban my account. Gathering your e-friends to talk about food is a much better way to handle things (of course, responding to the topic would've been even better, but I'll take what I can get). You still have an opportunity to disappoint me, though. Realnb (talk) 23:52, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

• Realnb, it's more like "what the fuck you talking about let me start a random conversation on my own talk page that I care about". You non sequitur on me, I non sequitur on you. Drmies (talk) 01:23, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
• Sorry to spoil the party, folks, but I've seen enough of the race-baiting here. Also, you folk might find it pedestrian but you've given me a craving for falafel. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 00:01, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Ivanvector, you make a valid point and I thank you for it. In all this strangeness, I forgot that there were indeed serious violations going on, which were repeated here. BTW we're having S&B Foods "golden curry" for dinner, and for tomorrow I'm marinating pork tikka (yes, the internet says that's a thing), which we'll have with red curried potatoes. Of all the curries, red curry is my favorite, but I wish I lived in a place where I could (afford to) taste them all on a regular basis. 28bytes, don't expect too many curries down here. ;) Drmies (talk) 00:25, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
    • Curries, grits, it's all good. 28bytes (talk) 01:37, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
      • For what it's worth I endorse this approach. I also endorse your curry although for some reason curried pork is something that never occurred to me. I tried grits once at a Waffle House in Columbus, OH, but found I didn't much care for them. Actually, it was more like a bowl of clarified butter with some grits at the bottom. Maybe that's how you folk do grits? Just not really a thing here. Now donair, that's a thing, though breaking from the vegetarian theme. For what it's worth I had Doritos nachos for dinner (that's just basic nachos but you use Doritos instead of regular tortilla chips - stolen from Montana's) with some of my own pickled jalapeño pepper rings and my mouth is on fire, and also the single-issue Muslim hunter is socking, so that's a fun thing. Happy lentils! Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 04:01, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
        • "grits ... at a Waffle House in Columbus, OH" are words that should never occur in the same sentence. Softlavender (talk) 04:14, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
        • Ivanvector, here's the thing. I had peeled too many potatoes, and needed to come up with something for tomorrow. One of my daughters loves red curry. And I had some tikka spice mix, so I went through the freezer and found cubed pork loin (cause we got too much from Cosco). I know pork curry is odd, but I went on the internetz and got a few hits, so me being a young, hip millennial, I thought why not. Now, grits, nothing wrong with them, but I don't care for them--but shrimp and grits, oh boy that's tasty. Look it up--it's a South Carolina thing and it's crazy delicious. Socking? Fun! But what else is new... Softlavender, I bet Jimmy knew grits. Drmies (talk) 04:15, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
          • Suffice to say, after you've just finished a scheduled 2am delivery of shredded lettuce (shredded to spec for Tim Hortons, naturally) the options for food are limited, especially when you've got to find a place where you can park a truck. Honestly I don't even know if you can buy grits here, but I'll eat pretty much anything if you put shrimp in it. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 04:34, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
• Pork curry is not that unusual. The second best known curry in the UK -- traditionally consumed by Britishers with huge quantities of lager which is just as haram as the pork would be -- is Vindaloo which Portugese sailors and Goan cooks originally made from pork, garlic, vinegar, red wine and other questionable but readily available ingredients. But now it tends to be lamb or chicken in most places outside Goa. Britishers further confuse matters by thinking that the "aloo" part of its name means it has to contain potato. This is incorrect, but potatoes do taste nice in that kind of sauce. The best known curry in the UK is of course Chicken tikka masala. MPS1992 (talk) 22:19, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

• @Softlavender:, is the BBQ in Greensboro western (tomato based for those who don't know North Carolina BBQ) or mustard? As for curry, I've never seen pork curry in the UK, just chicken, lamb or fish, occasionally quail or duck. I can't take hot curries. My favorite might be chicken penang/panang, which is I think I type of Thai red curry - I buy it frozen from a specialty fancy frozen food chain. "A sweet, mild and fragrant curry infused with ginger, lemongrass, kaffir lime and garlic with a base of coconut milk and panang paste." As for grits, my mother always had us stop at a diner in Tennessee (on the way to North Carolina) for them - but I only ate them once and gave up. Doug Weller talk 12:04, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

• The reason you very rarely see pork curries, certainly in the UK, is because the majority of Indian-style restaurants are run by Hindus or Muslims, neither of whom eat pork for religious reasons. Pork is eaten in some parts of the Indian subcontinent, but it's rare. I love hot curries, but they've got to be full of flavour as well, not just a searing blast of chilli (i.e. Phall). My standard go-to dishes for a takeaway are Pathia, Jalfrezi and Mirchi, but I'll try anything that isn't going to murder my taste buds. Black Kite (talk) 12:34, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

• Reminds me of conversations I've heard between Poles and Indians regarding the supposed influence of Indian cuisine on Polish cooking. They both use salt. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 12:57, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

Ah yes, but did they like salt so much they walked 24 days to avoid the British salt tax? O3000 (talk) 19:57, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

• Doug Weller, I don't know, pal; I've never lived in or eaten out in Greensboro -- my grandparents and uncle/aunt/cousins lived there (on many acres of rural land) so we spent wonderful Thanksgiving holidays there every year. I have eaten BBQ in nearby Durham (where I went to college), at some famous place whose name now escapes me [Edited to add: Thanks to TripAdvisor: Bullocks, with Eastern-style barbecue] and it was traditional NC BBQ as far as I recall. In terms of the grits hate on this thread, I am genuinely appalled. Seriously what is wrong with you folks? You're worse than my co-worker in Manhattan who asked me "What is a grit?" Some tips on grits: You always obviously need a tasty side like bacon, and plenty of salt and butter, and they taste even better when you mix your (chopped up) bacon and scrambled eggs in with the grits. Grits oddly taste much better at the seashore, where the brackish tapwater gives them a yummy umami flavor. Shrimp and grits (already mentioned by Drmies), a Charleston classic, was immortalized by Bourdain on several of his shows. Softlavender (talk) 16:30, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

I'm only just watching through Parts Unknown for the first time (with some retrospective regret), and yes, Bourdain does love the grits. I was not hating on grits, for what it's worth, they're just not common in Atlantic Canada. "Better at the seashore" is certainly a thing here, though, just ask anyone who's ever done a clam bake. Some locals insist you cannot cook lobster properly if you don't use seawater. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 19:43, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

Yous guys forced me to exert a lot of effort today – but made for a nice evening. Just finished a nasi goring, my favorite curry dish. Not one of my GF’s favorites as she cleans up. O3000 (talk) 01:17, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Shrimp and grits are great. Grits, meh. And yes, Softlavender, I've had the good kind--they're cooked in my cooking room two or three times a week, which is when I eat knäckebröt with cheese. We had homemade noodles in chicken soup tonight, one of Mrs. Drmies's go-to dishes, esp. when you have a sick child. Nasi goreng, that's a classic in my homeland, where I guess we like "foreigners" as long as they act Dutch enough and provide food. That lady is Wieteke van Dort, and her Titia Konijn was one of my favorite characters. The Banner will remember how they invited children to write in to explain their problems and treated them seriously. Drmies (talk) 01:48, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Hmmm, I do miss the foreign food like broodje Bapao and the Vietnamese Loempia. Brought in by Vietnamese refugees. They arrived in Holland, recovered, stood up, started working/studying and got Holland hooked on the loempia's in just a few years. And in the process disappeared as "strangers". I think I was too old for J.J. de Bom. I am more familiar with De Stratemakeropzeeshow. The Banner talk 08:22, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

I have altered my recipe so that it should now be: “Geef mij maar nasi goreng en grutten”. O3000 (talk) 01:21, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Ha, grutten--you know, of course, that's that basically "grits" (so you're invoking Softlavender again), and I believe it refers to both the size and the process, rather than the content. See Gruel#Etymology. So grits are corn, grutten are buckwheat, gries is semolina...someone needs to make a graphical representation of all this, with a switch where you can change languages and things move around. Ha, note that Groat (grain) is really about process and size, and nl:Grutten is about food. I have no doubt that "grit" (Dutch "gruis", but only to be used literally) is from this root. And the Dutch word for barley is nl:gerst, which must be the same thing. Or you're stalking me on Facebook, where someone brought up karnemelkse grutten, which needs an article. Delicious, though hard to make--you gotta stir the buttermilk constantly to prevent it from breaking. Drmies (talk) 01:36, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

OK I can't handle it any more, and I'm making a small batch of karnemelkse grutten. Favonian, have any of your grandma's recipes to share? Volunteer Marek? Drmies (talk) 01:56, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Spent a week in Eindhoven 40-45 years back. Dinners were great. But, I woke each morn to dry toast and cold cuts. I think, as a visitor from a young nation, they were trying to remind me of the tribulations of the ‘40s. But then, sometimes delicacies come from trials. For example, eels. And, what’s Facebook? Never heard of it. O3000 (talk) 02:09, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Young Bae

The author is a PR firm. I googled after accepting it and regretted accepting it immediately. If you goog the ALAPRbiz you'll see. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 03:31, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

I figured: someone reported to the username board, and that's why I was checking it out. The username violation is not so clear, but the undisclosed paid editing is, so I blocked. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 03:38, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

I reported it, I've been largely inactive and I know paid editing was being discussed when I left active editing, can you link me to the right parts? I only pursued the username violation when it was Pr Biz. I'd rather some stress free editing while I have a few weeks of free time. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 03:40, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Ha, that was you then that I saw go by. The way I read the name is "Al A. at PR Biz" or some such variation--which is kind of like "Joe Blow at Chevron" or whatever. I linked on their user page. No stress! Drmies (talk) 03:43, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Merry Merry

		Happy Christmas!
		Hello Drmies, Early in A Child's Christmas in Wales the young Dylan and his friend Jim Prothero witness smoke pouring from Jim's home. After the conflagration has been extinguished Dylan writes that Nobody could have had a noisier Christmas Eve. And when the firemen turned off the hose and were standing in the wet, smoky room, Jim's Aunt, Miss. Prothero, came downstairs and peered in at them. Jim and I waited, very quietly, to hear what she would say to them. She said the right thing, always. She looked at the three tall firemen in their shining helmets, standing among the smoke and cinders and dissolving snowballs, and she said, "Would you like anything to read?" My thanks to you for your efforts to keep the 'pedia readable in case the firemen chose one of our articles :-) Best wishes to you and yours and happy editing in 2019. MarnetteD|Talk 07:54, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

• MarnetteD! You sent me Dylan Thomas! Wonderful! (I used a line of his for my six-year old's spelling test yesterday, the word "force". I think you know where I went. Didn't make a damn bit of sense to him.) Thank you--this is a nice card and a nice introduction to something I'd heard about but never read. All the best to you and yours too! Drmies (talk) 14:06, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

You are welcome D. I am glad you like it. Reading it out loud - whether to friends family or just me - is a Dec. 24th tradition. Have fun. MarnetteD|Talk 16:04, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Happy Saturnalia

		Happy Saturnalia
		Wishing you and yours a Happy Holiday Season, from the horse and bishop person. May the year ahead be productive and troll-free. Ealdgyth - Talk 16:54, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

A very happy Christmas and New Year to you!
May 2019 bring you joy, happiness – and no trolls or vandals! All the best Gavin / SchroCat (talk) 21:28, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

possible vandalism your user page Fixing style/layout errors

Dear @Drmies: Unless you indented to call yourself an ostrich and denigrated an entire town, please check your user page for possible vandalism. Geraldshields11 (talk) 18:59, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)Nah, it's always been like that. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 21:20, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)"Ostriches are people too you know!" Martinevans123 (talk) 21:25, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Ostriches are not people, Martinevans. I don't know where you get this liberal trash from. Drmies (talk) 22:29, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Aha! On the lam! Ecstasy and cocaine! Well now--guess you won't be getting elected to ArbCom anytime soon with that record. Drmies (talk) 22:30, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

A mitten for you!

	Hi Drmies, Softlavender has given you a mitten! Mittens promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a mitten, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Softlavender (talk) 10:38, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

I must say I was amused by your edit summary here: "if this goes on we'll be out of server space by the end of the January." Best, Vermont (talk) 02:33, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Same here!

Vcuttolo (talk) 11:30, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

AOC II

I would like to thank you for your major improvements to the AOC page.

If you recognize my name, it is because I was one of those who got way too deep into the weeds in the debate regarding the overall AOC Wikipedia article. The earlier version was wildly overdone, and depicted her as the second coming of Mother Theresa. My attempt at balance was to introduce third-party criticism of her, in order to offset the onesided third-party praise, such as the president of J Street congratulating her for taking an anti-Israel position. Clearly my efforts were not widely appreciated. But your pruning the article largely obviated the need for providing that balance in the first place, by removing the beatification treatment formerly placed in the article.

FWIW, I do not agree with your removing the one sentence about her boyfriend and where they met: I'm always in favor of a human interest angle, and hey, it's one sentence. Perhaps you could reconsider?

Either way, I commend you for handling that situation in a very constructive way. I hope you can maintain that page, should the hagiographers return.

You have my vote for Wikipedia Grand Poobah.

Vcuttolo (talk) 11:37, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Books & Bytes, Issue 31

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Arbcom

Bad luck there! Or perhaps a narrow escape. The stats are rather wierd on analysis - 2&3 on supports fail, only 1 person got over 50% support votes, 2-6 on neutrals succeed ..... Johnbod (talk) 13:57, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

I think the stats show that few people embrace arbcom. I hope that you, Drmies, will comment with your unique rationales, member or not. You were the candidate who answered my question best! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:02, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

Thank you Gerda! Johnbod, I haven't looked at the numbers yet but from an email by Doug Weller I gather that the opposes did me in? Interesting--good thing I know who they are, having hacked the SF database, haha. I'll look at all this later: grading comes first, and I just read some really interesting essays by my Early Western Lit students. But yes, both bad luck and good luck. "Support" doesn't necessarily mean "love", but "oppose" probably means "disapprove" in many ways. Good thing I gave up on a career in politics years ago. Take it easy, Drmies (talk) 15:23, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

I can't understand Johnbod's analysis, but I'm not sure that Doug's/your take - that the oppose votes defeated you - is correct, although it's reasonable. You could also say that you didn't get enough support votes, but it's true that your number of support votes was higher than five of the six candidates who "won", whereas your number of oppose votes was higher than all six (GW came closest to your oppose number, but her support number was huge).

Your support percentage was 67.2; in 2015 it was 70.28. There was a significantly larger number of votes overall in 2015 than this year, like about 25%. Is that the Fred Bauder/Barbra Streisand effect?--Bbb23 (talk) 15:55, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

(ec) It was the election dominated by the neutrals, the undecided, for the mediocre? Anyway, I felt that no candidate would break the wiki, sowhat? Enjoy more free time. Last rehearsal for Jauchzet, frohlocket tonight, for last performance on Sunday. Anybody watching for a quick GA review of Nun komm, der Heiden Heiland? The Rambling Man refused because a (any) review might be interprated as questioning competence, - back to arbcom and its consequences. - After edit conflict: if you were pinged by a message asking you to vote, and have no idea, wouldn't the fastest solution be going by interesting user name, and looks, or GW? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:58, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

...looks?!  ;) ——SerialNumber54129 16:05, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

seasonal but today's are also good, especially the kitten --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:15, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Congratulations! You can now spend your time working on things you actually enjoy, comfortable in the knowledge that you stepped up to the plate when it was necessary! Joking aside; I'm sorry to see you're not on the committee: if I had to guess I'd say it's your content work that brought out some opposition, something I'm rather familiar with. Who knows? The set of elected candidates is a good one, though. Vanamonde (talk) 16:08, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

Face it, we live in a post-rational era. But, if you have free time and wish to join the post-rationalists; I just got an email from LinkedIn telling me that the position of WH Chief of Staff is open. No long term commitment required. O3000 (talk) 16:26, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

Sorry to see this you had the 3rd highest number of supports after GorillaWarfare and DGG. Think tactical voting was the reason.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 16:34, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

• Congratulations on your lucky escape ;-) Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 17:09, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

Sorry. More supports than opposes, though. Next year? --GRuban (talk) 18:34, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

If the size of the committee hadn't been decreased to 13 this year (see WP:ACERFC2018#Number of arbitrators), you would've made it in with a one-year term filling the vacant seat left by the resignation of Alex Shih. Mz7 (talk) 18:53, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

You will do more good as a commentator. Lucky guy. Legacypac (talk) 19:07, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

• Bad for Wikipedia, good for you. In the past, I've consulted voter guides written by users I respected to get some insight into candidates I was unfamiliar with. I think what did you in (saved you?) was people paying attention to a few voter guides written by users with a grudge. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 19:49, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
  • We got some good people getting in, Mandarax, so I think the project is safe--from me, haha. I didn't look at the voter guides, I'm afraid; I'd already made up my mind to vote for Kelapstick eight times. Thanks Mz7, and Legacypac, Drmies (talk) 21:09, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
• I stared at the results for about a half hour, trying to figure out just what they meant, and I'll be damned if I get it. Results in other years made more sense to me, but this one eludes me. In any event, I'm sorry that you didn't get in, but I hope you're gratified at the number of "support" votes you got - I guess there are still some people on Wikipedia who appreciate rationality. Best, Beyond My Ken (talk) 22:43, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
• Sorry not to see you ploughing you're Arbcon furrow for another year, Doc Mice. Here's a little John Lee and ZZ to help you celebrate your lucky escape. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:01, 14 December 2018 (UTC) (all fully licensed, I can assure you)
  • I wish that when I saw John Lee Hooker play, back in the 1980s, I knew more and was more appreciative of that music. This is pretty damn loud and wild--thanks! Drmies (talk) 00:34, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
• Sorry to see you not get in this year.... Not gonna lie I'm genuinely surprised that you didn't, I guess in some ways it could we seen as a lucky escape! :) –Davey2010^Talk 00:01, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

• Welp, you had my vote anyway. Reyk _YO! 18:33, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
• I appreciate y'all, but I think we can be happy with the folks that were elected. GW is in, so things will roll along and business will be taken care of, I have no doubt. Ha it's unfair that I name her only, but she's just a really good representative of the community. Drmies (talk) 00:34, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

  Aw, thank you. I wish you'd been elected as well, hopefully next year! GorillaWarfare (talk) 16:48, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

• Drats! I thought you'd be "in like Flynn"--just goes to show how naive I can be when it comes to this place. Oh well, always the optimist, I am happy that you will still have the time to make your good, common sense edits to improve this encyclopedia. Best, Gandy Gandydancer (talk) 20:11, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

Happy Holidays

Best wishes for this holiday season! Thank you for your Wiki contributions in 2018. May 2019 be prosperous and joyful. --K.e.coffman (talk) 22:21, 21 December 2018 (UTC) Noël ~ καλά Χριστούγεννα ~ З Калядамі ~ חנוכה שמח ~ Gott nytt år!

• Ha, same to you, K.e.coffman--thanks, esp. since we finally found something we more or less disagreed on. Look, Bishonen, in Swedish even! Drmies (talk) 22:23, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

Recent discussions about a sensitive topic

I followed with a measure of interest the recent discussions about the connection between racism and slavery, and I noticed how it tends to focus primarily on the US and white supremacy. It reminded me of specific historic events and time frames that have helped me keep things in perspective as it relates to New World vs Old World slavery, and how racism is viewed/discussed on a global scale, particularly historic events that took place during British colonization in the Americas and throughout the Dutch Caribbean. Whenever I'm on Bonaire, I take some alone time and frequent the historic sites of White Slave and Red Slave at the southern lee side of the island, not far from the Cargill Salt Company. I make it a point to sit inside a slave hut and submerge deep in thought imagining what it must have been like - it never fails to make me cry.

I am now wondering how much knowledge WP has published about slavery on a global scale, hoping that we are not focused only on the US and its citizens, and came across Slavery in Britain and Triangular Trade. After reading those articles and some of the sources, I was somewhat surprised over the intense focus that has been placed on slavery/racism in the US considering it is such a young country in comparison to what has taken place on a global scale for many centuries and continues today. See this article which corroborates part of what I'm trying to relay. Racism and slavery is not unique to the US, it's a global issue, but I'm concerned that our young readers may be getting the wrong impression based on the contents of our articles that focus so heavily on slavery and racism in the South, and the various discussions at our drama boards. I will not discuss any of the political issues involving racism so let's try to stay focused on the issue I'm trying to bring to light.

I also believe that we tend to overlook the fact that some of the first people who were exiled to colonial settlements (including America) were criminals, the poor and undesirables of Britain, and indentured servants, not all of whom were African. See Penal colony and refer to the articles I wiki-linked above and their sources. Perhaps it's time for an essay to help bring more awareness to factual history about racism and slavery as it relates historically on a global scale to the atrocities of slavery in the South. These are issues that have existed throughout human history (and still exists in many areas of the world today). Slavery did not/does not discriminate against race; rather, slaves come in all colors, ages, and include both genders, and it is not unique or prevalent only in the US, and I wonder if we're missing a very important detramental aspect of slavery by constantly relating it to racism. Your thoughts?? ^{Atsme✍🏻📧} 15:31, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

The article Atlantic_slave_trade#New_World_destinations does list destinations of that specific slave trade, and does note that what eventually becomes the US makes up a very small percentage of slave ownership. I think people focus on the US, because it is the US and in this case makes an easy target. It's also a good topic of discussion, the post-slavery (or even during slavery) years and laws of the US versus post-slavery years of say Brazil. BTW, since you mention penal colonies, Amazon is streaming a great show on Australia that you might find interesting. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 15:55, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

I can't remember the title of that book about Australia as a penal colony that came out when I was younger--I read parts of it and it made a big impression. I think we're focused so much on the US for a couple of reasons. One is (obviously) the make-up of our editors: overwhelmingly white, educated, American/British. Another is the attention given to that aspect of the US past in recent decades, and that includes for instance the role slavery played in the foundation of many US institutions, including the White House--these are things we didn't talk about before, but they continue to be foundational. After all, the effects of cheap labor can last a long time; that the psychological and economics aspects of slavery continue to affect the descendants of slave is well-known too; if the economic status of one particular class doesn't have ongoing effects on later generations we wouldn't have old money, and in the same way we have old poverty.

My campus is built on a former plantation, the plantation of a former slave owning family (some of whose descendants still live in town, and their central "homestead" is the richest neighborhood in town). I studied English in Morgan Hall on the Alabama campus--the plaque on the wall commemorated him as "Canal Morgan", but not many of us knew he'd built his wealth and reputation on the backs of others' labor. And then there's the monuments. Put all that together and it is clear that that's one of our focal points. The US has not fully reckoned with slavery, that's obvious, but neither have the Netherlands or, worse, the Belgians; you can look at File:MutilatedChildrenFromCongo.jpg, which I don't want to post here--but we don't have that many Dutch or Belgian editors on the en-wiki... Saying that "slaves come in all colors" may be true in some sort of general sense, but all too often that's too easy a cop-out, and I see it on Facebook all the time. "Ah but blacks sold slaves"--maybe, but so did whites, and the world market in the nineteenth century was very much white-controlled. Nor do I think that it's right to equate slavery with indentured servitude, an equation that often leads to "see, we (in the US) did it to whites too so it's OK". The point is rather that a. those Irish (and also Italians) were treated as other, which means their whiteness was somehow different from Anglo-American whiteness and b. the US now celebrates the Irish, at least the white US does. So--well, those are a few thoughts I have. I have more but not enough time.

Thank you for considering the evil men has done to all kinds of other men. Yes, we need to improve our coverage, just as we need to do a better job teaching history. You may know that "Transatlantic" has become something of a buzzword in English departments; it aims to show the interconnectedness between all the literatures of the people involved in the transatlantic slave trade and the culture of the involved areas, and that includes the Caribbean, but also the historical role and importance of for instance Cuba and Haiti in the (Southern) American imagination, the Spanish-language sources and literatures, etc. It's fascinating. I'm making a concerted effort to read more, and one of my new favorites is Marlon James. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 17:31, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

The problem is that you can't separate the historical context of slavery from politics when discussing the US, because that tends to imply that slavery is purely a historical issue in the US, and it isn't. It's absolutely true that slavery was not a problem unique to the US, and I don't doubt you that the relevant articles are probably too US-centric. But it's not an exaggeration to call slavery the single biggest, most divisive, and just shittiest problem the US has ever faced, one that is woven into the very foundation of the country. It's an "institution" that had an entire half of the country form their entire culture around, and then split off and start a large-scale war trying to defend. And that culture of rationalization, wilful blindness, and outright malicious deception is still alive and well today. Slavery is horrible and evil regardless or racial context, but it still affects the US today, and while we shouldn't ignore slavery in other contexts, it's also incredibly important to continue to discuss slavery in the US in the context of racism and oppression, because that racism and oppression hasn't gone away. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 17:28, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Right--Writ Keeper, you say a few of the things I say but more concisely. Slavery is still here in many important ways. It's there in Brazil too, of course: but WK and I live in the US and this is what we do. Drmies (talk) 17:32, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Atsme, I think you're seeing slavery in the US emphasized because you're interested in articles about the US. If you look at History of Slavery, while slavery in the US is certainly mentioned, it takes up maybe 10% of the article. --GRuban (talk) 18:30, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Hmm I may suffer from that same confirmation bias, GRuban--thanks for the pointer. Drmies (talk) 21:15, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

+1 TY, GRuban ^{Atsme✍🏻📧} 00:36, 22 December 2018 (UTC)  

Note

I'm a bit disappointed that you were the first one to make a 1RR violation. I'm not taking any action against you because it seems to have been a mistake (23 hrs 33 minutes between reverts) but please be more careful in the future. ~Awilley (talk) 00:41, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Along approximately the same line, thanks for the 27 minute IAR; but I think you used an incorrect HTML code and, I hope, (breaking another rule) that I corrected it by altering your TP edit.[27] Apologies if I misconstrued. O3000 (talk) 01:07, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

O3000, I don't understand what you're talking about, and so I assume this HTML code thing isn't directed at me; Awilley, merry Christmas to you too; I am sad that I disappointed you. It's interesting that formally you could have, and that some drive-by editor can make a serious edit, unsupported by consensus, to an important article without impunity, a version now protected and thus enshrined. Drmies (talk) 02:02, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, and the same to you too. The protected version was arbitrary, as there is currently no status quo in the article and no consensus on the talk page. This is exactly the type of impasse that the BRD Cycle is supposed to break, and despite BRD being the rule of the day nobody has made a Bold edit in 2 days... just a bunch of reverts. I will unprotect the article as soon as someone comes up with an Option 3 that reasonably addresses some concern of both sides, or when some sort of consensus starts to emerge on the talk page. ~Awilley (talk) 03:19, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

DrM, I think you meant to strike your No and change to Yes in the Trump article; but you used <p> instead of <s>. I changed it to strike here:[28]. Please correct if this is my error. O3000 (talk) 03:37, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Best wishes

		Season's Greetings
		Wishing everybody a Happy Holiday Season, and all best wishes for the New Year! Adoration of the Shepherds (Cariani) is my Wiki-Christmas card to all for this year. Johnbod (talk) 10:26, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Unblock Special:Contributions/165.120.0.0/16

This range is BT, the largest ISP in Britain. Users can't even create accounts. Whatever disruptive behaviour they did is less disruptive than the block. - hahnchen 15:04, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

• Even two months later there's still a wealth of socks, globally blocked accounts, etc. in there. Drmies (talk) 22:04, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
  • It's the largest ISP in Britain. The block is more disruptive. They should be allowed to create accounts. - hahnchen 13:53, 23 December 2018 (UTC)