User talk:Drmies/Archive 34

Brad Birkenfeld

I noticed your post at WP:BLPN, and I should have been put off by your opening sentence, but instead I plunged ahead, but progress has been slow. What I've been doing is replacing the hardcopy refs with online links. Because there are so few online links in the article, it was impossible to verify the material short of going to the library, which I ain't gonna do. I've replaced a few (I'm going through one at a time). I got hung up on the second one, which when searching caused Firefox to stop responding - stupid browser - so I've skipped that one for now. It's been a BUSY day with way too much drama (I've been playing Don Quixote again with sock puppet policy), so I will continue working on it tomorrow. Happy cooling off.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:47, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

• The air is fixed. Have you ever seen a 60MFD capacitor? It's huge, the size of a handgrenade, and it popped. The pool is a nice 92, so we're all cool. Thanks for getting on the Birkenfeld case; I wanted to clear AIV, UAA, and RFPP and was only moderately successful. Drmies (talk) 00:08, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

• 92 is "cool"? What a world. But I'm glad everyone's happy in time for the weekend. Even if you've only been "moderately successful", I'm sure it made a dent and helped.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:19, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

• It's a couple of degrees below the outside temp... Ha, weekend--odd, with the kids not in school there's really no difference between weekend and week day: I forgot to take out the trash again. I did make a dent but, you know, it's just a drop on a hot plate, as the Dutch say. BTW, I should be packing for Wikimania. I hope they fix the AC in DC before I get there. Drmies (talk) 00:27, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Rule for adding wikilinks

I was wondering what the rule was for properly adding wikilinks? In particular, not having multple instances. Is it by section? Thanks BigJoeRockHead (talk) 00:46, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

• Some talk page stalker will come by within ten minutes and correct me and add the proper links. Rule of thumb: once per article, at the first instance. Sometimes things are linked in an infobox as well, if there is one. Does that help? Drmies (talk) 01:07, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

• I heard my name. You can link in the lead and then link once more in the body (first occurrence). In addition to linking in the infobox (which can be done despite the lead/body), you can also link in tables, references, and captions. There are times you should not link, even if it is the first time: plain words, major geographic features, common professions. Read WP:OVERLINK (all of it).--Bbb23 (talk) 01:19, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

• Well, I'd better start linking a bit more. I don't link if I've already done it in the lead. Drmies (talk) 01:21, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

• Helps, sort of... I see so many variations; and, it's hard to be sure. Let's use Rush as an example. Section 1> Paragraph1: Moving Pictures is mentioned in a sentence multiple times. Wikilink at first instance, no others. Moving Pictures mentioned in other paragraphs (same Section): no wikilink. However, I would tend to think that if Moving Pictures was mentioned in other sections, that it would be fine to wikilink it, reason: the user could opt to only read a particular section via the toc; so, it might seem logical and ok to have another wikilink. Just clarifying my question. But, want to be sure; because if the rule you conveyed is "the rule", and I'm fine with that, there's a lot of articles that fail miserably. Thanks again BigJoeRockHead (talk) 01:27, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

• Your logic is fine, but Wikipedia has rules to prevent such indulgences. As for it being "the rule", it's actually a guideline, but, generally, even guidelines shouldn't be violated without consensus for doing so. Finally, if you're looking for consistency across articles, try another encyclopedia. At the same time, feel absolutely free to fix any articles that don't comply with the guidelines. In that way, although we won't be consistent, hopefully we'll be more consistent. --Bbb23 (talk) 01:33, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

• Thank you both for your help. Is there a link for this topic so I can read a bit more on it? Because there's a lot of blue that needs correction. BigJoeRockHead (talk) 01:37, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

I reckon you go to WP:OVERLINK, as recommended above, and then read that, and also scroll up and down as necessary :) --Demiurge1000 (talk) 01:40, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Nice, I didn't notice that... Thanks BigJoeRockHead (talk) 01:42, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

One more question. "Lead" is defined as? The leading paragraph to the article, the lead paragraph to a section, or both? BigJoeRockHead (talk) 01:57, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

It's the very first section of the article - the one without a section header. It may be one sentence long, or several paragraphs, depending on the article length. LadyofShalott 02:02, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

And here's a link for you: WP:LEAD.--Bbb23 (talk) 02:14, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

And here's some background music for while you're reading. Drmies (talk) 02:16, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Newspaper folks call it a "lede". Using it instead of "lead" is one of my many affectations, along with the BBC accent and the pince-nez so delicately balanced on my schnozzola. Beyond My Ken (talk) 04:25, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

"Uncleftish Beholding"

Are you familiar with this work? I've got to try to get ahold of a copy! It sounds like great fun. LadyofShalott 04:06, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

• Never heard of it. Let me know how you fare; my electronic access for the journal starts in 1997... BTW, really AfD ought to be next...what a shame, when we find nuggets like these. Drmies (talk) 04:16, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

• Aww, poo. Maybe you're right. The article does reference (very poorly) Hofdtedter's book. I'll see if I can dig up any other decent refs for it. I wonder if my sister might have a copy... it'd be right up her alley. I'll let you know. LadyofShalott 04:36, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

• BTW, I'm amused to learn that anyone takes seriously the idea of linguistic purism in English. While I think projects like Anderson's article sound like a great game and tremendous fun, the idea of completely throwing out from English anything not of Germanic origin seems ludicrous at best (and smacks of nasty prejudices at worst). LadyofShalott 04:44, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

• OK Lady, you are ready for an advanced class in the study of Beowulf. I don't have my library here, but I'm sure Andy Orchard's A Critical Companion to Beowulf has a section on nineteenth-century editorial 'emendations' of the poem. Ludicrous? They didn't think so--the guys that scrapped everything that smacked of Christianity and was thus, in their opinion, not Germanic. Drmies (talk) 04:50, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

• I'm ashamed to say it but, I haven't read Beowulf yet. I'd really like to look at a dual language Old/Modern English version. Do you recommend one? I guess I'll have to look for Orchard's book too. LadyofShalott 05:18, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

• Well, you don't necessarily need Orchard--that stuff on what Germanic scholars had to say about the poem is found in many places. There's an interesting essay (important for everyone who studies or works with translations) by Josephine Bloomfield, "Diminished by Kindness", which studies Frederick Klaeber's, the poem's most eminent and important editor and an heir to the German tradition of the Grimms. Anyway, the most commonly used dual-language edition is Chickering's; for a translation (not dual language) I'd suggest Roy Liuzza's (NY: Broadview Press, 2000). There's a decent Seamus Heaney translation, also available in a cool edition (by Norton) with pictures. It's a great poem, well worth reading. Drmies (talk) 13:50, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! I've just put on hold the Chickering and Heaney. Liuzza isn't in our system. LadyofShalott 15:14, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)Hello LadyofShalott. When you are finished with Beowulf you may want to search out a copy of Grendel (novel) by John Gardner (American writer). The story told from Grendel's POV it is an interesting read. One of its poems has stuck in my head all these years later. I wouldn't say that it is essential to read the two together, but, it did make me reexamine my thoughts about the epic. Cheers to you both. MarnetteD | Talk 15:39, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Ha, liberals who don't believe in right and wrong will always out themselves. Marnette, the 1970s called; they want their counterrevolution back, bell-bottoms and all. BTW, there's a really weird animated movie based on that novel, Grendel Grendel Grendel. Drmies (talk) 15:42, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Too funny. I was afraid that it might not meet with your approval but I reread it five or six years ago and, while I did get echos of the person I was, I still found it interesting. I had meant to mention the animated version and forgot. It is a true oddity and the fact that it was made in Australia only adds to that. Whenever I read about a style from the past coming back into vogue I hold my breath hoping that it is NOT bell-bottoms or, worse, wide ties. Enjoy your weekend. MarnetteD | Talk 15:56, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

I mostly enjoyed the novel and have taught it on occasion. It usually elicits strong student response, and that helps class conversation. A more balanced (and better filmed) approach is found in Beowulf & Grendel, probably my favorite Beowulf movie. Drmies (talk) 16:05, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Ah then I misread your reply. Apologies. I enjoyed that version of the film as well though I mentally kicked myself for not seeing it in a theater. The Icelandic scenery is magnificent and deserves a huge screen. Here is the short poem that has stuck with me. With each passing year it seems more relevant. MarnetteD | Talk 16:18, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Ah, the to-be-read pile grows ever larger! :) LadyofShalott 20:22, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Giant eland

About your edit here a few minutes ago. I really do not understand what you changed in the article. --Sainsf <^>_{Talk all words} 04:40, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

• You changed all the en-dashes to em-dashes, but a lot of them were correct the way they were. Drmies (talk) 04:46, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

I see, well, thanks for that.--Sainsf <^>_{Talk all words} 05:01, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

About the Indo-European ablaut in the comparison of Old Saxon and Old English

Spoof header. I'm basically just annoyed with myself that I didn't recognize a VOA here. I'm still going to flip you the  Bird----Shirt58 (talk) 14:44, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

• No worries. I have had the same reaction to spurious ANI reports. Note that I chose not to rub it in, so you might stick that finger someplace else, out of shame. Enjoy! Now shut up everyone, no vandalism for the next half an hour or so, until today's stage in the Tour is over. Drmies (talk) 14:48, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
• Wow, what a finish. OK, back to business. Who needs blocking? Drmies (talk) 15:19, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

• He does. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:34, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

• You do it. You haven't met your quota yet. I'm about to act as an abusive admin. Drmies (talk) 15:36, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

• Oh, I need to wait another... 9 months to do that. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:38, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Invalidating Administratorship

Read my notes on David31584's talk page (which are ENTIRELY sourced from the cartoon), also pointed out to Powergate92. I need for you to invalidate said user's administratorship (and block him) for persisting in vandalising the two pages. Maxsonazeas (talk) 17:49, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I suggest you read WP:OR. LadyofShalott 17:53, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Yes, read that please. On a related note: The Raccoons is a very poorly sourced article that's in dire need of references, copyediting, and pruning; you two (or three, or four) are edit-warring over something that's neither verified nor important; your messages (like this one on various talk pages are practically incomprehensible; David31584 is not an administrator nor is he vandalizing and I won't block him. I'm sorry that I ever protected the article since reading those edits, their reverts, and the commentary from all involved has hurt my brain irreparably. Drmies (talk) 19:12, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Drmies, you are on Wikipedia, that in and of itself hurts one's brain irreparably. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 19:38, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

93.177.140.143

I suggest that they get blocked for more than 12 hours they have just started vandalising Júlio César Soares Espíndola just after I submitted report and before block was out in place. They will quickly be back vandalising again TheIrishWarden - Irish and proud (talk) 19:56, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

• Whether those edits to Espindola are vandalism remains to be seen. Drmies (talk) 20:00, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Thank you!

Well done my dear friend for the swift re-protection of Eurovision Song Contest 2013, I was about to re-nominate it again due to the continued speculative additions. I must have telepathically projected my thought to you lol. Junior Eurovision Song Contest 2012, which was also semi'd at the same time as ESC 2013 for the same reason, has since expired, and that too has started to get the same speculations. Lost count how many times I've had to fix the article. Hope you're having a good day BTW. I'm at shear stressing point with my London 2012 volunteering preparations. Only 20 days to go for the main event, and nerves have seriously kicked in now. Wesley☀Mouse 21:09, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

• I saw a warning of yours go by and figured I'd take a look. Good luck at the games. Aren't you watching the Wimbledon final? I am. Serena Williams's legs are twice as strong as mine. Drmies (talk) 21:11, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

• Thanks for the good luck wishes. I will be watching Wimbledon tomorrow, cheering on Andy Murray - about time a British tennis player got into the finals on their own turf - taken 76 years to achieve it like, but still good nevertheless. Wesley☀Mouse 21:13, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

• Just out of curiosity, how long should a GA review normally take? Talk:Eurovision Song Contest 2012/GA1 started on 16 June, and we're now on 9 July (almost a month on), and even though the work has been done that needed to be done, nothing else corrections, comments, or instructions has happened for a week now. I'm concerned in case the review has been forgotten about. Wesley☀Mouse 16:46, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

• That should be long enough, I'd think. Did you drop the reviewer a (gentle) line on their talk page? Congrats on the good work, by the way. Drmies (talk) 16:51, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

• D'oh, I feel like I've just had a blond moment now - feel free to trout me across the face lol. I'll drop a slight nudge to the reviewer in case s/he forgot. Wesley☀Mouse 16:57, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

commons

Please check your commons talkpage as soon as you can. Thanks. INeverCry 21:54, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for undoing that vote. As for sanctorum, would this suffice? I have nothing crossy or bibley for smearing purposes. ;) INeverCry 01:51, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Really, don't thank me. Drmies (talk) 02:08, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Loboborracho888

Thank you. I thought I explained it to him well enough without warning him but he kept at it. I think the page could still use protection. Becky's legal full name is a major issue, considering its nature as an open secret amongst her Japanese fanbase, but god damn how did he not know that you can't add rumors of her mother's name, particularly when he had two possible choices?—Ryulong (竜龙) 01:32, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

• Oh, I hate to speculate. I'll see about protection. If this drunk wolf keeps at it, the next block is indefinite of course. BTW, you're lucky it was a BLP, haha, or you'd be blocked a million times. Sayonara, Drmies (talk) 01:43, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

  The only reason I kept at it was because I knew it was BLP considering the nature of these single-named people in Japan. But I've posted to RFPP concerning protection. I'm not sure if he'll be at it, again, after the block, considering he called my reverts censorship, reverted to Godwin's law, and then you stepped in and blocked him. That usually puts people off entirely, but I don't think anything of value was lost here.—Ryulong (竜龙) 01:47, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

He's returned, is bitching about page content, and has made his signature "Nobody owns wiki pages. Stop being possesive and allow others to edit." instead of his username.—Ryulong (竜龙) 10:02, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

• Ryulong, I always thought you'd be an anal man, not an anal boy. The user is indeffed, of course--thanks for the note. Drmies (talk) 12:58, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

  He's not happy. Also who let that out?—Ryulong (竜龙) 20:23, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Err?

It's not a joke. Sarek's an asshole, Roux spoke the truth, I'm stating my support. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 ^{> haneʼ} 02:55, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

• Your "true" followed by a smiley face is totally ambiguous. I assume now that you mean "true what Roux said in his edit summary" or something like that, but it read like "true and glad to see you go" to me. Make a new section, use a complete sentence to state your support. BTW, I'm not taking sides here, but I'm sad to see him go. Thanks for your note. Drmies (talk) 02:58, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

I lost my mind?

While I was clearly wrong to grave-dance on Roux's talk, why did you think that asking me if I lost my mind would be the best way to notify me of my wrongdoing? (templating the regulars isn't helpful either.) →Bmusician 03:19, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

• I had something much stronger in mind, prompted by your outburst. "Have you lost your mind" seemed like a reasonable enough question. I hate grave dancing, and you're not the only one who's ever done it. At least you realize it's wrong, which gives me hope. Drmies (talk) 03:24, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Okay. I apologize for grave dancing. →Bmusician 03:28, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. roux had been here for a long, long time. You've been here for a while too: imagine what it would take for a long-term contributor to get so upset that they quit. Whether that's right or wrong doesn't really matter so much--it's a painful thing and I feel bad for him. Drmies (talk) 13:35, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Re: AN/I Update

Remember the AN/I thread from a while ago where you blocked 2 users for a week? Stapler123 hasn't edited since his unblock and Fineuser has been indeffed by AGK for block evasion. Regards! Electriccatfish2 (talk) 11:14, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

List of gothic rock bands

Hi again. We don't seem to be getting anywhere with this article, with regards to random anons coming and removing sourced material. There *has* been discussion on the talk page, but it's a bit like banging your head against a brick wall - there is a subset of editors that essentially are uninterested in WP:RS as a policy as it disagrees with their personal WP:POV. They consistently refuse to engage with this as a policy, and as it currently stands they have simply degenerated to edit-warring. The latest anon to join the fray is now trying to claim that there is some sockpuppetry going on, which is clearly ludicrous, but I thought I'd let you know. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 20:51, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

• I'm your puppet? I'll have a look. Maybe it's time for some Dispute Resolution, or some other noticeboard. Or for warnings about disruptive editing. Drmies (talk) 01:07, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

AfD - Justin Bieber on Twitter

I believe you owe me ten bucks. Tell you what, if I ever bump into you in a bar, get us a pint of real ale and we'll call it quits, yeah? --Ritchie333 (talk) 09:05, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

• When you say real ale, I assume you mean something non-British, right? Come on by El Rey and I'll throw in a burrito as well. It's nice to see that sometimes these big deletion discussions go the right way (see also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ashton Kutcher on Twitter), so there may be hope for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Barack Obama on Twitter as well. Thanks for the note! Drmies (talk) 12:47, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

• That's on another continent to me :-( ... still if I somehow ever find myself in Montgomery I'll have a look. Regarding real ale, I'm thinking of things like Gales (or at least it's pre 2005 version) or Shepherd Neame. You tend not to see them in the US, though I did see some comparable stuff in some bars in Montreal. As for the AfD, well I'm disappointed it's had to go to a deletion review and people can't just drop it. --Ritchie333 (talk) 13:17, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

• I haven't looked at the deletion review yet. You have to understand that people are heavily invested in it--they created it, worked hard on it, got it on the front page in the DYK section, had it listed as a GA maybe... It's not easy to let go, so I understand the sentiment, certainly. BTW, you'll find me in the article histories also, just to add to my "Deleted edit count". Drmies (talk) 13:21, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

FYI

Somebody doesn't like you or Ryulong. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 18:27, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

• I reckon there's clubs for both categories. See section "Loboborracho888" above, for Loboborracho888 (talk · contribs) , now indef-blocked with everything removed. They must have walked to the neighbors to start that account. Thanks Gogo Dodo, Drmies (talk) 18:31, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Heads up!

I have replied to your post in my tk! --Tito Dutta ✉ 04:29, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Hi, you have one or two new messages in ANI noticeboard. Please have a look when you have time. --Tito Dutta ✉ 05:35, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Your thoughtful post on my talk page

Hello there. Thanks for calling me a jerk, that was certainly warranted. In response to your criticism of me, I did indeed add a source back then. It just happens that that website link died in the two years since I posted that information. Is proper procedures to check the page every day to make sure all the links are still active? Just a little thought from someone not nearly as experienced as you, if you really wanted to make that article better you could have looked up a new link instead of just deleting valid information because a link went dormant. Anyway, have a swell day and thanks for helping make Wikipedia a friendly and inviting community. Valacan (talk) 13:37, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)Because clearly, your sarcasm is doing such a great job of keeping things friendly. See? I can do it too! Anyway, the thing is that claiming someone was in pornographic movies would be considered a contentious statement, and per WP:BLP, contentious statements about living people must either be strongly sourced or removed. Drmies was well within his rights to remove it. Quote: "Contentious material about living persons (or recently deceased) that is unsourced or poorly sourced—whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable—should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion." (emphasis original) Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 13:56, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Thank you Writ. Those BLP concerns are indeed what's going on, and Valacan, you aren't exactly new to this place: you should have known. It isn't your job to check something every day, but if improperly verified information gets removed you shouldn't be surprised. At any rate, I'm glad you verified that the subject was such a good masturbator. Drmies (talk) 14:32, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Drmies. You have new messages at WP:ANI.
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v/r - TP 18:26, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Solution to Bobby Ewing editing war!

I found a source which confirms Bobby's full name in the most recent episode of the Dallas 2012 reboot as "Robert James Ewing"; however, the source also notes that Bobby's full name in the original series was "Bobby James Ewing." Obviously, the writers have taken some liberties with the new series, but I don't think the information provided in the new series can just be ignored; my solution: in the beginning of the article, where the character's name is in bold print put the retconned form of the name and then in parentheses next to the name, or in the alias parameter of the infobox, put the original form of the name.--Nk3play2 ^{my buzz} 19:00, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

• Propose it on the talk page. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 19:08, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

It's been proposed, I'm fine with it in the info box, and no one's arguing with it. How do we implement this? The page is still locked. --68.58.15.97 (talk) 21:06, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Well, you only made your final remark there a few minutes ago, but since you and the above editor seem to agree I will go ahead and unprotect it. Happy editing, Drmies (talk) 21:14, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

~Thank you.

Ok and thank you,I consider it that is also an award to me,nevertheless,receiving no anything yet from no one.You know we crazy old are still awakening to edit the articles, now nearly 4 O'clock morning,so good morning, out side is raining. I think I am tired that's why tagging went wrong.For that thank you.Cheers.Justice007 (talk) 01:54, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

• Of course it's raining, Justice! Of all the countries you could have picked! Maybe it's time to put the laptop down and pick up a nice book--some poetry, maybe by Gerrit Komrij, your former poet laureate. I like De Os op de Klokketoren. All the best, friend. Drmies (talk) 01:59, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

• The great poet,may he in peace now.Going to bed and try to sleep.Justice007 (talk) 02:12, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Jakarta

Could you watchlist the article and revert (perhaps block) the editor who is editwarring and inserting a Chinese name? The city is Indonesian and does not have an official Chinese name (and if it did, it would be of questionable inclusion value). I'm at 3r already. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:22, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

• He does that in a number of articles--new editor, hasn't found their way to the talk pages yet, I reckon. I left a note and made a few reverts. Let's hope they start talking. Oh, remember the golden rule: welcome before warnings. ;) Drmies (talk) 14:52, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
• And again. He will be blocked next time, I'm afraid. Drmies (talk) 15:24, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
• What's wrong with that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexander patrick (talk • contribs) 15:29, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Read the dozen or more edit summaries and the note I placed on your talk page: the names you are adding do NOT appear to be "native" or "official". Also, please sign your messages on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~), and please provide an edit summary explaining your changes. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 15:34, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
• i'm sorry, which note and how to provide an edit summary? Thx Alexander patrick (talk) 16:08, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Look at the history page to see edit summaries (it's a tab at the top); you leave edit summaries in the small bar under the main edit window. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:15, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Chesley Sullenberger

First of all, I did not "let a link farm stand". In fact, I removed the Discovery Channel link from the EL section because it didn't work.

Second, none of the cultural references are "unreferenced". As indicated by WP:TVPLOT and WP:FILMPLOT, for the purpose of descriptions of their content, narrative works (books, movies, TV episodes), can function as their own primary sources for the purpose of verification. The intent of the Verifiability policy is that readers know where the information comes from, so that they look up that source to verify that information. Information on the content of a narrative work be sourced to that work, which is why plot synopses in TV and film articles, for example, typically do not have secondary citations.

The degree to which a topic is referenced in such works goes to that topic's notability. I did not say that they are typically used to establish it, however. Nightscream (talk) 15:27, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Help?

Okay, you definitely seem to be a smarter person than me. Can you take a look at this guy's articles (that is, Day Lane, Dest Power, Day Lane (Non-Exception):, and Day Lane Exception)? I can't make heads or tails of any of them, such that I'm considering mass-G1 for all four, but I'm afraid that'll seem pretty BITEy, since it looks like this guy is good-faith, if nothing else. Can you make sense of the articles and/or suggest a better action? Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 16:45, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

They also created more articles of the same quality. I'm unable to find any refs for the four above. He definitely did Load factor wrong... They added an article in a disambiguation page. Bgwhite (talk) 17:13, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Well, I've posted to their talk page, but if that's representative of their English level, I'm not really optimistic... Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 17:23, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

It sounds to me like he's trying to create glossary entries for terms associated with shipping(?) by truck(?). I don't think they are speedy deletable - I can't think of a criterion that would fit. However a series of prods citing the (seemingly contradictory) ideas of WP:DICDEF and not enough context would probably be appropriate. LadyofShalott 01:16, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Well, if I don't get a response out of him by the time I get back from Wikimania today, that's what I'll do, I suppose. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 13:29, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Credo Reference Update & Survey (your opinion requested)

Credo Reference, who generously donated 400 free Credo 250 research accounts to Wikipedia editors over the past two years, has offered to expand the program to include 100 additional reference resources. Credo wants Wikipedia editors to select which resources they want most. So, we put together a quick survey to do that:

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It also asks some basic questions about what you like about the Credo program and what you might want to improve.

At this time only the initial 400 editors have accounts, but even if you do not have an account, you still might want to weigh in on which resources would be most valuable for the community (for example, through WikiProject Resource Exchange).

Also, if you have an account but no longer want to use it, please leave me a note so another editor can take your spot.

If you have any other questions or comments, drop by my talk page or email me at wikiocaasi@yahoo.com. Cheers! Ocaasi ^{t | c} 17:14, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for the note. I don't want to chase him away. I just feel that zero text content and half a taxobox doesn't constitute a viable article. I just wish he'd communicate. Hopefully your note will do the trick. And thank you for the kind words. I feel very much the same way about you. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 17:40, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Kasanders

Hello On the article for Stephen M. Cohen I read that you wrote that the article was not relevant and I agree. I put up a tag for proposed deletion and a user Ryulong removed my tag and put up an old history of this individual. The article is outdated as has been so for a long period of time. He is the guy that was involved over 10 years on the sex.com case. I leave it up to your best decision as to what should be done and if the article should be deleted. Kasanders (talk) 23:50, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Hey Drmies, this sockpuppet is taking your edit here as a mandate for the article on this individual to be deleted. He prodded it and I removed the prod. It would be best if we got rid of him post haste.—Ryulong (竜龙) 00:11, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

I really do not care what the decision is you make on this issue but I believe you should make it. In my opinion, this user Ryulong seems to have some personal interest either with Cohen or Kremen, not really sure. Thank you... Kasanders (talk) 01:54, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

And here's another accusation he's thrown at me at having a conflict of interest when I have only touched the article after seeing the debacle on ANI when it is clear he is the one with the conflict of interest.—Ryulong (竜龙) 03:45, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

• Ryulong, I'm not in a position where I can be very useful right now since I'm at Wikimania. I'll try to check back later, OK? FWIW, I think that the person is probably notable enough. Hey Kasanders, don't come here and bad-mouth Ryulong. Drmies (talk) 12:31, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Socking at Brad Birkenfeld

After that major rewrite I did of the article, User:Robert32439 reverted the article back to before my edits (and a few of yours). I reverted once and told him to go to the Talk page. He reverted again (without going to the Talk page). Before I reverted a second time, I (1) opened a topic on the Talk page and (2) posted a comment to his Talk page inviting him to discuss his issues. He did not do so. Instead, an IP reverted with exactly the same edit summary as Robert's (the IP's only edit). I think I have a reasonable basis for reverting because of the obvious abuse of multiple accounts. I could also open a SPI report, which I should probably do anyway for the long term, but what should I do in the short term?--Bbb23 (talk) 00:15, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Quick update. Although I have not touched the article, I started an SPI report here.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:23, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

I noticed this at SPI and have commented there and on his talk page. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © 01:53, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Another (mysterious) editor came by and cleaned up some. I'd block the IP, Dennis, if this continues and if I'm not around to do it. Drmies (talk) 14:00, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

The latest SPA did little to help. He made changes to the lead and not for the better (more about things OTHER than Birkenfeld). No one has yet been blocked. There is an ongoing report at WP:3RRN (I didn't file it, but I commented). I've also added the newest SPA to the SPI report to see if there's a technical relationship between the two registered accounts. The master is lying low. Finally, I have restored the article back to before the SPA edits based on no one discussing the massive changes (reversion) on the article Talk page.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:49, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Redirect help?

UFC on Fuel TV: Sanchez vs. Ellenberger needs to have the redirect changed from UFC on Fuel events in 2012 to UFC on Fuel TV events in 2012, because I moved the page. The events are called UFC on Fuel TV not UFC on Fuel. Thats why the page move needed to happen. I'd do it myself but it's protected. JonnyBonesJones (talk) 00:31, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

• Done. Drmies, would the bot be able to handle protected pages? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:55, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

• • (talk page stalker) I'm guessing if the bot had admin privs, I know some do. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © 00:58, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Nice to meet you!

Nice to meet you! I see you have contributed a lot to Wikipedia. Keep up the good work brother! Nataev (talk) 11:10, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

• Likewise. I hope you have slept well and recovered from that long journey. Drmies (talk) 13:56, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

The Defend-O-Geek-2000 Urban Wikipedian Geek Protection Kit

Nose protection

Ear protection

DNA protection

Wear them for safety. Wear them with honour. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 12:29, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

• Thanks Anna. If you can organize a privacy cocoon that would be even better! Drmies (talk) 13:54, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Given all of these boasts about sleeping with nine people and being tired the next day that you're making on User talk:Jimbo Wales, here you go. Uncle G (talk) 17:57, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
    • NO, that's NOT what I meant! Uncle, come on now! Drmies (talk) 21:00, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
      • That was a LOL moment. Time to dive into Jimbo's archives. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:51, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
        • "I have nine roommates at the hostel, and I'm too old and grumpy for that kind of lifestyle." - Out of context... it's gold. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:53, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

DC

Due to extraordinary circumstances, I am not able to be in DC :/ But I'm glad to see you have been given accommodations that are worthy of your stature here. Since you don't have proper internet access, we might just have to vandalize a bit, and maybe turn your talk page into a brainstorming session for new X on Twitter articles. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © 13:59, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

• Sorry you won't be here. Yeah, accommodations. Hey, I'm watching Jimbo. He doesn't even sound like he's from Alabama! Drmies (talk) 14:25, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

• Have a good time! I'll be interested to hear about WikiMania. Lady of Shalott 16:05, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

• I'm sitting in an education session, with User:Marcus Qwertyus on my left and User:Mike Christie on my right. Good company. The conference is huge, all the sessions are standing room only, but this is only the first round of sessions, when everyone is still fresh, haha. DC is hot, of course, and magnificent--I did make it to the LoC last night, and got there a half an hour before it ended. What a wonderful building. Oh, I had a burger at Good Stuff Eatery last night, but not the Prez Obama--I had the Spike Sunnyside. Later, Drmies (talk) 16:24, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

• Heh. I'm in the same session. Nikkimaria (talk) 17:00, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

• What sucks is that I'm 6 hours by car from there and really wanted to go :/ Likely the closest one to my home we will have for a long time. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © 17:14, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

• I was in the culture and community session; I really liked the presentation on the NRHP and the one called "Can your grandmother edit Wikipedia?" Wikimania is a pretty interesting experience; putting faces to the names isn't always what you'd expect. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 17:27, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

• Ha, I walked in and then out immediately--too many people. Nikkimaria, what do you look like? I'm in the lunchroom right now and will be outside in a minute. Writ Keeper, I'm the very handsome and somewhat balding man hanging around with Mike Christie. Drmies (talk) 18:08, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

• Come into the Tech session... they're talking about the new visual editor. We're right at the back. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 18:09, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
• Messy blonde ponytail, blue shirt - in Research now, on to Public Sector later. Nikkimaria (talk) 18:16, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

I'm sitting in the culture track currently, and will be at the GLAM thingamobob later. Y'all should poke me! Kevin Gorman (talk) 18:21, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

• Well, look at all you enthusiastic audience members. I was being interviewed by the fundraisers and had a coke with User:Tom Morris, and now I'm bumming around in the Continental Ballroom (Lady, there's no dancing here of any kind). Kevin, I saw you walk by with some cutiepie--are you using a new cologne? Drmies (talk) 20:36, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

• You gossip more than a high school cheerleader. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 20:40, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

• You should know--you're probably dating one. Drmies (talk) 20:41, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
• I could gossip more, but I won't say names--I can divulge, however, that the Dutchies REALLY don't believe in referencing their articles. Drmies (talk) 20:42, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Hahaha... that was User:EHammid. Kevin Gorman (talk) 21:10, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

LadyofShalott is jealous of you people in DC. 21:34, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

• What's worse is, we're all so damn goodlooking. Oh, MRG got a big fat prize this morning, from the man himself. Drmies (talk) 21:35, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Well, what was it? You can't just leave it at that! LadyofShalott 21:40, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
    • She got one of the two special Jimbo awards for "staff person of the year". Drmies (talk) 21:42, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
    • See User talk:Moonriddengirl#Wikimedia award, and happy birthday!. Uncle G (talk) 21:43, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Dinner

"Gansch het raderwerk staat stil, als uw machtige arm het wil."

Alright, who's having dinner where? Mike? No pizza, no hamburgers. Drmies (talk) 21:19, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

• You have the munchies, now? Whilst you are living the Champagne lifestyle, toasting us poor people who are left sitting and waiting for a checkuser, some of us are looking at articles and thinking about what to do about, say, Non-physical entity (AfD discussion). I think that there's a possibility of a philosophy article, there. Unfortunately, it's not as easy as getting a pointer from the Stanford Encyclopaedia in this case. But I think that something can be made of this in respect of the whole dualism-vs-materialism/physicalism debate, although I need to read and think some more. I hope that thought of writing an encyclopaedia like this haunts you all of the way through dinner. ☺ Uncle G (talk) 22:51, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

• Sorry, I didn't see this! A bunch of us went to a place called Roti. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 23:39, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

• Hope you had a great time, Ed, but how ironic that you would leave out the Dutchman, given that rotis are a popular Dutch food that entered our cuisine via Suriname (which someone could verify and add to the article). Ah well.

  Uncle, I would give serious consideration to your consideration, were it not that I am wallowing in a luxury denied to 99% of the world's population, courtesy of the kind people of the organization who have put me up in a place that has more room than I know what to do with.I I feel so much human that Calvinist guilt overwhelms me. Well, I could throw a party here, of course, for the youngens. And BTW, I'm toasting you right now *clink* with a Duvel, and will spare you a thought as I head off for diner in this fantabulous place. What fun it is to be in a city. Drmies (talk) 00:22, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

• Drmies, you are one of my favorite people in this world. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 01:16, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

• He may have left out the Dutchman, but I didn't see you sending the gorilla any dinner invites :P – GorillaWarfare (talk) 01:17, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

• I'm sitting in a room with the above two users, who are giggling like small children at posting to your page. Ed is lording over GW that his edit was first. How does it feel to be worshiped? Sven Manguard Wha? 01:21, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

• Worship? Dear god, never. Have you seen an uglier deity? Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 01:31, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

• Careful, Ed. This god's teeth never needed artificial straightening; they were straight, true, and sharp from the get-go. That's not to say I don't love you like a brother--why else would a sane person get involved with a dreadnought race? Anyway, I'm sorry that I missed you all (my apologies, Gorilla: there is no excuse for my not notifying you): I had a sad and lonesome dinner of carne asada, washed down with Stella Artois, and followed *snif* by a lonesome chocolate mousse cake and coffee. Out of sheer misery I'm having a little extra cheese dessert here in this big, empty hotel room-- Sottocenere al tartufo and jalapeno cheddar (courtesy of the Whole Foods cornucopia) with a big bottle of Tripel Karmeliet. But don't worry, I'm thinking of you all. While fighting vandalism, of course. *Haremph.* DC is a great place! Drmies (talk) 03:10, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

• Drmies, you big, lonely bear, go join Milhist and come to our Milhist dinner tomorrow. ;-) Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 03:27, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

• I'm a pacifist from way back. How could I join Milhist after saluting Domela Nieuwenhuis every morning, for years, when I rode past his statue? Also, where's the dinner? Are you buying cocktails? Drmies (talk) 03:34, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
• EC Like LadyofShalott 03:39, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

I'm relatively sure none of us know yet where we are going. Pacificts can be interested in military history, you know. They bring an interesting and often contrary point of view to the table. :-) Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 03:57, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

My POV is dead animal. Does that help at all? Drmies (talk) 04:05, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

You're a pacifist who likes dead animal, eh? Ain't that a tad contradictory? Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 04:33, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

I only eat animals I'm at war with. Where's the contradiction? Drmies (talk) 04:36, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Pacifists don't go to war. And when they do, they're the ones annihilated. Which is to say Drmies the big fuzzy vegetarian bear would be attacked and killed by, say, a tank. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 04:50, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

I believe the Eleventh Doctor would disagree with that statement. Look at that, I got another Doctor Who reference on Drmies' page, and didn't even have to be prompted by Bgwhite. T-12 Days until wheels up Doc, Look out Thailand, I'm going to be sure enjoy my two hours there! --kelapstick^(bainuu) 08:35, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

There are many words I'd use to describe Drmies after meeting him yesterday, but I'm not sure "fuzzy" is one of them. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 13:07, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

I'll work on that, Writ Keeper. Hey, again, I appreciate your help yesterday; that was real fuzzy of you. K-stick, at some point you'll have to stay in one continent for more than six months: how will you survive? Drmies (talk) 14:20, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome. I, ah, meant "fuzzy" a bit more literally than that. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 14:40, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

By the time I leave it will be seven months in Australia, and I am surviving quite fine (for now). --kelapstick^(bainuu) 21:20, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, I missed this - ended up at a French cafe with LiAnna and Frank, and then at a fabulous bar with hundreds of beers. LiAnna is a local so it's a good idea to follow her around! Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 13:35, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

• Sorry I missed that, Mike--I didn't know she was from here. After moving yesterday I headed out and got some beers at that Whole Foods place, and dinner was at Tonic, just around the corner. I'm still pleased to be in a real city, with people walking around all over the place at night; they quit doing that in Montgomery years ago. Hey, I'm "working at home" this morning and will try to write up some of the ideas we talked about yesterday. I'll try and run into you today. Drmies (talk) 14:20, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Deconstruction

Remember Hibrido Mutante (talk · contribs) who had fun at John Searle? - he's back at Deconstruction - now editing disruptively from the IP 95.92.156.247 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)(his last IP was 95.92.145.46 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) also in Eastern Portugal).·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 23:41, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

I fully protected the article for one day and said to take it to the talk page (which I see you've already done, Maunus). I'm not familiar with the user and have no idea why you think the IP is Hibrido, but consider if SPI might be appropriate. LadyofShalott 00:11, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

• Can't keep a bad philosopher down. Thank you Lady; I may have a look later. Hey, you should see the room these nice folks got me. It's bigger than any apartment I've ever lived in. Drmies (talk) 00:15, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

The IP geolocates to Portugal, which is where HM is located. So, yes it could be him. I'm not sure why Maunus thinks HM is behaving disruptively, however, or what if anything he thinks is wrong with HM's edits, if that is him. Polisher of Cobwebs (talk) 00:17, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Edit warring and false claims of consensus just as the last time?·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 00:32, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

[ec with Maunus--I agree] It is vintage HM, and it is disruptive, at least in the claim about destroying "community efforts" and the restoration of, yes, an essay (Mike, that's the kind of thing I was asking about). We are dealing with someone who knows best, not someone with bad faith. Polisher, you have done great work on this article, and I wish I could thank you in person, but--and I have to admit I am saying this after a cursory review due to circumstance--this called for more than polishing. I will be happy to explain more, Polisher (we might owe you that given your attention to the matter) but it would require some time and attention. On a side note, is this a good time to admit that I got the old master's signature in what I have felt, for the last decade or so, was an inappropriate manner, which would require at least a hairshirt? Drmies (talk) 00:33, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

I've taken a more careful look at the article's history now, and I see what Maunus means. I think some of HM's edits, if not all of them, are acceptable, even perhaps good. I agree that the rudeness and other poor behavior is a problem. Thanks for the compliment about Deconstruction, Drmies, but I don't think that my work on the article has been all that good, and it's definitely not a subject I'm an expert on. One article I have done more than simply polish is Life Against Death; if you or other editors could find the time, I'd find it helpful if you could tell me how close it is to being a good article, and what changes still need to be made to make it one. Polisher of Cobwebs (talk) 00:40, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

If HM is who he says he is then he is a respected authority on Derrida who has written books about Deconstruction - however he seems to rather grave problems with writing encyclopedically and collaboratively. So yes- the content is not the problem - the style is. It is of course logical that being an autority on Derrida he is reluctant to conform to the constraints of academic encyclopedic style. I don't know exactly how to handle this - I had a rather pleasant exchange with him the last time, but it does get tiresom after awhile and I ended up unwatching. I just stumbled on deconstruction again today and noticed the goings on. ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 00:47, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

One of my college buddies wrote a draft for his dissertation in a deconstructionist way, and only one member of the (prospective) committee understood the scheme (besides me, I am proud to say). That was almost a decade ago; I don't think he has his Ph.D. yet. The lesson, if there is one, that this is one of those fields where it doesn't help to say what you mean in the way that the seeers said what they meant--that goes for dissertations and for Wikipedia articles. Structure, clarity, that's key, and disruption begins when one format (and attitude) is moved into what is a completely different genre with the imperative that that is the way in which it should be done. The unfortunate truth (which in some ways is a lie--but that's a side note about epistemology and the claims an encyclopedia necessarily makes that would take many chapters) is that encyclopedic writing simply cannot enact what it proposes. We are not engaged in performative writing.

Polisher, I wonder if you should have reverted (the block quotes are typical of HM, BTW)--I don't see how CIVIL is operative here, and AGF, well, we are dealing with an editor who is avoiding scrutiny, for starters.

One more musing for the Derrideans and non-Derrideans alike: the editor's column in the March 2012 issue of PMLA is an interesting read, especially for those who saw the death of the printing press announced this morning as a bullet point, just another of the consequences of the digital age. Drmies (talk) 03:30, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Drmies, if you think that my edits at Deconstruction are no good, I shall be happy to abandon that article, and the whole topic area, in fact. I can take criticism. Polisher of Cobwebs (talk) 21:36, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

I don't want to tell you what to do, Polisher, but I think it is insightful to know a little bit of the backstory. I don't want you to abandon anything, certainly not that. Drmies (talk) 00:45, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Who wants a beer?

"...[E]ncyclopedic writing simply cannot enact what it proposes. We are not engaged in performative writing." I love the images that this provokes. The article on Shakespeare would be written as a play. Verdi's would be an opera, complete with musical notation. James Joyce's article would be in stream-of-conciousness; Ambrose Bierce's would be a satire. You would not figure out until the end of her article that it was about Agatha Christie. LadyofShalott 03:46, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

• One can only imagine what the article on Bacon explosion would look like--the one reflected on, so to speak. With my sincere apologies, and the caveat that despite what it may seem it's really not that disgusting a dish and, if eaten in moderation, does not ruin the day after. Drmies (talk) 03:53, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
  • BTW, I think I read that James Joyce article that you describe, though not in the shape of a James Joyce article. I love your Agatha Christie idea--will you please write that? Drmies (talk) 05:46, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
    • If that were the case, all of the "On Twitter" articles would be under 140 characters, it would make it easier to convince people to merge! Apologies if someone brought this up before, but I am about to have my first coffee, and it's instant (still, I never found the stash). --kelapstick^(bainuu) 21:59, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
      • Good point, K--I haven't seen it made before, so you can claim it as far as I'm concerned. No coffee here: I just came back from the Whole Foods market and their selection of Belgian beers (in big bottles!) is most impressive, as you can perhaps see. Drmies (talk) 00:45, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
        • I have noticed your penchant for big-bottled-beers. Impressive selection indeed. How is/was Wikimania? I was considering a stopover in Hong Kong for next years if my travel schedule allowed, as it is now it doesn't (and my time off in the summer is limited as it is). We'll see as it gets closer. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 01:07, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
          • Better beers come in bigger bottles--for instance, there's a super-hoppy Duvel that only comes in the big ones. I'm drinking the Ename tripel, which I didn't even know existed.

            Wikimania is a lot of fun, though in a way for me it's just another conference: hotel rooms, no kids, a lot of walking. But I met some great people, and re-met some even greater people. I had a delicious sashimi dinner with User:Mike Cline tonight (thanks Mike!), and I got to meet and talk to DGG for quite a while, which was great. I think you would really enjoy it; I'm not sure if I'll be going to Hong Kong, haha. Never been to Asia though, so maybe I should be. My problem (well, one of my many problems, and also the pool is green again) is that to my eternal shame I am much more focused on the English wiki than the rest, and Wikimania is really an international event. Someone said "there is no [single] Wikipedia" and I guess they're right--different habits, interests, cultures. I hung out a bit with Nodir from Kyrgyzstan, and for them the importance of Wikipedia (shut down by their government) is totally different, in a way that I couldn't possibly imagine. You're a much nicer guy than me, and much more interested and open, and you would have an even better time. Yeah, try to go! and maybe I'll go as well, and we'll go out for drinks and make prank calls to CoM in the middle of the night. Oh, someone (can't remember who) brought him up in conversation yesterday, haha. Later K--I'm watching a re-run of the Tour de France stage, eating delicious cheese and olives and drinking delicious beer. Please give my regards to Mrs. K and the little ones. Drmies (talk)

            • Sounds like a good time, speaking of CoM, he came up in conversation at the last Perth Meet-up (when I mentioned bacon). Once I get my confirmed 2012 work schedule I may see if I can integrate it, even if I have to take a few days off, if I do I will let you know. I have never been to Hong Kong, but (as I had mentioned before) I have spent a bit of time in Beijing, I imagine I would like Hong Kong even more. I wanted to take the kids so we could go to HK Disney, I think they would be pretty upset if I went without them though. Enjoy the Tour, I never saw the appeal of watching people ride bicycles, but I like watching cricket, so what do I know? --kelapstick^(bainuu) 01:55, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Given your interest in "X on Twitter" articles, you should be all over the deconstruction of Jacques Derrida on deconstruction (AfD discussion). Uncle G (talk) 09:32, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Joshi Homoeopathic Clinic deletion.

As I saw someone has created the page, and that is usefull. requested you please restore the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gokulchandola (talk • contribs) 05:43, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

• No. We don't do spam. Drmies (talk) 05:45, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
• We have to permitt such information, before deletion we can discuss on this topic. Without knowing details we can not say SPAM, as I visited linked website and search in internet. We should provide some scope to create such pages.Gokulchandola (talk) 05:55, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Information we permit. Spam we don't. Do you have verifiable, independently sourced, information? The prior editor had self-adulatory spam. Uncle G (talk) 08:27, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Consider reconsidering

Please see this. Many thanks. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 14:22, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

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July 2012

This is your only warning; if you post an improperly placed joke on Wikipedia again, as you did at User talk:Kevin Gorman, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. WTF, you can't use sarcasm on the internet!! Also, fun fact: when you try to twinkle yourself a warning, it now pops up a box warning you that you might in fact be crazy. (I'm in the wikiwomen session currently; see you at lisner after, perhaps.) Kevin Gorman (talk) 18:46, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

• Yes, I have noticed that, haha. Man, you and a room full of wikiwomen. How did I end up with DGG and a bunch of geeks?Look up this page for a hint on protection. Drmies (talk) 18:49, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Psst, you didn't actually link this page to anything. Kevin Gorman (talk) 19:22, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

I meant "this" in the real-world sense, which you, being from the West Coast, probably don't recognize: this very talk page you are looking at right now, section "The Defend-O-Geek-2000 Urban Wikipedian Geek Protection Kit". ;) Drmies (talk) 20:07, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Hah, I'm bad at reading comprehension. I left all my gas masks at home :( though one of mine is israeli and one is finnish - so not quite that one. Kevin Gorman (talk) 15:01, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Hey, sorry I didn't actually run into you to talk to you and stuff. Hope you're doing well with your new cologne. Gas mask--that always makes me think of The Abominable Man; read it and you'll know why. Drmies (talk) 17:50, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Italian

I had to look up sprezzatura - from my knowledge of coarse French, I knew what vaffanculo meant. Somehow I don't think he can vaffanculo with sprezzatura, but who knows?--Bbb23 (talk) 02:35, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

• Let's see how S Marshall deals with it; he might post photographs. What got up Rob's butt I guess we'll never know--yet another perfectly good RfA tainted, unfortunately, and with nothing to show for whatsoever except for a stream-of-consciousness rant that no one can make sense of. Drmies (talk) 02:51, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Hope he posts colorful ones, although not too colorful. I got tired of Br'er Rabbit's popcorn picture; the one on his user page is pretty but not apt for this particular "discussion". I figure it's fitting that you can be entertained both here and at Wikimania, even if the beer here isn't as good.--Bbb23 (talk) 03:48, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
    • Man, I wish I could still hang with the youngens, who are out living it up and spreading this stuff about "free knowledge for the world" at some bar With User:DGG as a chaperone, of course. I just kinda wanna see my kids again, really. Oh, you wouldn't believe the sashimi I ate tonight--the best I ever had. Drmies (talk) 03:57, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
  • I could make sense of it; and have added a pointer and a timeframe so that everyone else can. Uncle G (talk) 11:20, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
    • Thank you. Still, that's only half the answer, but the rest is to be found in something that has nothing to do with Wikipedia, I think. Drmies (talk) 12:42, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

• Someone opposed your RfA because I nominated you, and now this... LadyofShalott 13:59, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

• Thats because you're dodgy lady. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 14:06, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

• What was it again--you were too nice to animals? But this new oppose is a slightly different case: this editor should have been indef-blocked a long time ago, and I wonder why, more than a half a year after my only interaction with him, he finds his way here. But 328 editors are watching this (hello all!) and I can't assume they all do so out of love. Speaking of 328--I wish user:Cullen328 had come to DC; I hope he and the Mrs. are doing well. I've been spreading the word about Amish dolls. Drmies (talk) 14:26, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Return of the block-evading user?

Nope, it's not a bad Wikipedia-inspired movie. You recently blocked User:2001:558:6026:97:44AF:E2BF:9B1E:3DD9 (hotlinking is broken on that username... for some reason, hotlinking it ads the content of that user page instead of a link to it) for vandalism. Well, I just ran into User:2001:558:E0:305:0:5EFE:AA3:1C87. Quite a similar name, so I thought I'd run it by you. Eik Corell (talk) 06:31, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Since the Doctor is sleeping...That's not a username, its an IPv6 address, see this. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 06:39, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

I bet if I were I looked in a mirror right now, my face would be thoroughly red right now. Sorry about that! Eik Corell (talk) 08:31, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

No problem at all: I had a similar response the first time I saw one of those weird addresses. On some page, somewhere (I thought it was the "block page" for IPs, but apparently not) there is in fact a warning of sorts, "don't confuse these IP addresses with user names", so you and I are not the only ones. Thanks, and happy days, Drmies (talk) 12:32, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

It was a site notice for maybe a week. They are thoroughly ugly addresses in my opinion, not that anyone asked. LadyofShalott 14:06, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Yes they are and they didn't ask me either. Drmies (talk) 14:21, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

I think it was in one of the notifications I ignore on my watchlist. I've only seen a few edits by them, so I still think they are pretty sexy. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 14:27, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Ya, noticed it in watchlist but, one can easily miss those one liners above watchlist and new ipv6 addresses are very hard to remember and one may wonder– is it the same account whose edit reverted last week or it is another one? --Tito Dutta ✉ 17:53, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Drmies, I think the notice you're remembering was actually the one that appeared on UAA from about June 15 to July 10. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 21:13, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Wikiversity "spam"

First look at this on my Talk page. Then, look at the user's page. Then look at the user's contributions (scroll down a bit to see how many similar messages he's sent to many editors). Then, just for grins, look at the Toolserver pie chart. Have you ever seen that much yellow in that chart? Finally, if you follow a rather tortured link path starting at his user page, you eventually get to a blog where you can download his software. Just something to lighten your (and all the page stalkers') day.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:55, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

• What is this, an Old Spice ad? Drmies (talk) 17:37, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
• Yes, spammy it is, and I've never seen that much yellow--it hurts the eyes. I'll leave them a note, but I am not sure if this counts as spam. If he uses some automated means to send those messages, that's abuse, I'm pretty sure; if he doesn't, it's a bad way to try and make friends, that's for sure (and that's not a pretty user page--mine, with Pesky's ass on it, is much better). Drmies (talk) 17:43, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Need help with overseas gold record references

Drmies, I hope you have been having fun at Wikimania! I am having trouble finding reference documentation for two record albums, 67 and Leva-me pra casa by Lúcia Moniz, that are said to have gone gold in Portugal. I have tried to access the Associação Fonográfica Portuguesa website, but I can't find information on that site as I can for US works on the RIAA site. Please see the AFP site. Can you possibly point me in the right direction? Doc2234 (talk) 15:29, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

• Ha, I don't think I can help you, but the hardest-rocking Portuguese editor (and nice guy) I know of is User:VascoAmaral. Drop him a line, and tell him he needs to stop editing football articles and get on the real stuff. Good luck! (And thanks, I was having fun--I'm glad to be going home but it's still a pity it's over.) Drmies (talk) 17:37, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
  • (talk page stalker) What, you've been to DC? You lucky bastard! Favonian (talk) 17:49, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
    • You need to keep up with this exciting talk page, Favonian. Yes, I just came back tonight; it was great. Next time, though, I'll make a point of leaving the hotel and the convention venue to do some sight-seeing... Drmies (talk) 01:02, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of List of Twitter users for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article List of Twitter users is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Twitter users (2nd nomination) until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. kelapstick^(bainuu) 21:58, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

With the deletion of Lady Gaga, the Biebs, and Ashton your list is falling apart. I am sorry to have to tell you, I know you were attached to it.--kelapstick^(bainuu) 21:59, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

From the immortal words of Homer Simpson... Damn you Kelapstick!, Damn you to hell for deleting the last, wonderful twitter page. Bgwhite (talk) 22:17, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

I always felt that article was one of Drmies finest, and took pride in the fact that I helped to inspire it. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © 22:21, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Since you don't appreciate good television, I hope you do appreciate my homage to you on my user page. My goal is to get you to either watch the show, or block me (which ever comes first, not that either will make a difference). --kelapstick^(bainuu) 01:07, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Neither are likely to happen, Kelapstick, and I do appreciate the homage. It's more than what I get from my kids ("superdumbpapa" is what I got tonight). Drmies (talk) 01:28, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Off-hand I replied to your request (after I woke up) on my talk page, what was that all about? --kelapstick^(bainuu) 01:46, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Collapsed trolling by sockpuppet of banned user Echigo mole a bunch of stuff about some Doctor who is not me
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
(edit conflict) You know what, I loved that page when it was populated. But I stood by the position that it had to include only accounts that had pages. With them all being deleted (for better or worse), I had to nominate it. It pained me. BG, when does Series 7 of Doctor Who run in the US (sorry if I make you to cry again over Amy Pond's departure)? I am hoping to have finished 1 through 6 by the time I leave Australia a week from Wedenesday, I have about half of the last season of the Tenth Doctor to finish up. Dennis, you are an inspiration to be sure, someday people will write songs about you. --kelapstick(bainuu) 22:23, 15 July 2012 (UTC) You make me upset with the twitter page and now you make me cry about Amy Pond's departure. Series 7 won't start showing in the UK until sometime in Fall. Last season, for the first time, BBC America showed it the same day as the UK showings. I'm hoping they do the same thing for series 7. The new companion as been announced. Bgwhite (talk) 22:46, 15 July 2012 (UTC) I saw that, it's even on the Series 7 page here. We get it on Sci-Fi (or something like that), not the CBC, so I don't know how far behind (if any) we will be. Jenna-Louise Coleman is no Karen Gillan, but then again, who is. I think it's the Scottish accent that does it for me. --kelapstick(bainuu) 22:53, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Varlaam's personal attacks

I assume that this (scroll to the bottom) and this are inappropriate, yes? I am not going to remove them, in fact, I am not going anywhere near his talk page again, as that would only inflame the situation even more. But, they are abusive. The fact is, though, that before the recent contretemps, I have had no contact with Varlaam in months, perhaps years. With luck, I will have no further contact with him in the future. Cheers! ---RepublicanJacobite_TheFortyFive 00:30, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

• Surely you saw they're blocked for three months, right? I would have blocked them for those remarks, but since they are blocked, what would you like for me to do? Revoke talk page access? BTW, you are totally NOT the biggest asshole on Wikipedia! Thanks, Drmies (talk) 00:53, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

My only request, honestly, would be that the comments be removed. But, my concern is that requesting that he do so would result in another outburst. I thought, very briefly, of removing them myself, but I know what a shit storm that would have created. So, at this point, I am not sure what I am asking for... But, thanks for telling me I am not the biggest asshole on WP, that helps a little. I do have my bad moments, though. ---RepublicanJacobite_TheFortyFive 02:37, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

It takes one to know one. I've redacted some things. Drmies (talk) 04:15, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. Cheers! ---RepublicanJacobite_TheFortyFive 13:49, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Super Pwers High School

I'm pretty sure it's just a Youtube video that's giving itself airs; fair enough on the decline, though. EDIT: "ON YOUTUBE JULY 1ST 2012." Yep, looks like a school project that will be put up on Youtube (I guess it's running late or something)? I'll just PROD it; thanks for keeping me honest. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 04:06, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

• Really, we should have WP:SUCK (maybe we do). I'm halfway through it and the only way this is going to get interesting is if the guy starts jacking off or killing some animal he has in his backpack. But no, he picks up a bottle of blue water. WTF? Is it poison? Magic? No, it saves the world, apparently. Kelapstick and Bgwhite, you guys like science fiction--please watch this flick. Writ Keeper, you touch on a good point, and that's that "web content" and "movie" (or whatever--even book/e-book) have a lot of overlap. Someone smart should bring that up: books cannot be speedily deleted, but if a book is available only electronically and an article makes no claim of importance about it, then it can be deleted as web content? Thanks, and thanks again for helping me out on Thursday, Drmies (talk) 04:14, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

• I would think not. If it's purchased from, say, Amazon or Barnes & Noble, it's downloaded to your ereader. It's not exactly web content. This should probably be spelled out somewhere though. LadyofShalott 23:50, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Welp, PROD was declined (surprise surprise), so we'll do it the hard way. @Lady: I think Drmies is more talking about a "book" that, while calling itself a book, distributes itself solely through a website download, which I think is a bit more "web content" than that. It's a theoretical question now, since the author added a claim (unsourced) that it was released in "selected theaters", so, yeah, no A7. The theoretical question is interesting and important, though. If this was just a Youtube video calling itself a film, as I thought when I originally tagged it, I'd be pretty comfortable with saying it qualifies as "web content", but the border is quite murky and I'm not sure I'd be able to define it in the general case. Oh well. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 00:46, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

OK Lady--when does a blog become a book? If there were a way to read someone's blog offline, would it be an e-book? Texts from Gutenberg can be read online or downloaded--if an e-book can only be read online, is it still an e-book? BTW, I met Writ Keeper in Washington, Lady; a very nice young man, haha, with impeccable manners. Drmies (talk) 01:19, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

"Impeccable manners"? I'm pretty sure my mother would do a spit-take if she heard that. :) Anyway, I guess a possible criterion could be the extent to which someone else is involved in the publishing. Like, if Barnes & Noble is selling a book in online form only, I think we could still call that a book, but if it's just a guy putting something up on his own personal website, then not so much. Basically, anything that's not pure user submission would go against web content (so, things like Wikia sites or Youtube don't count, since they're purely user-submitted). Thoughts? Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 01:53, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Hmm yes, but it kind of puts the cart before the horse--we would want to be able to define something as a book or a film or a website no matter whether a company put it up or an individual, no? Membership of a speedy deletion category especially should not depend on evaluation, like whether something is a person or a pet or a book. I mean, you could have that discussion, but if you can disagree then something's wrong; it's not like disagreeing whether something makes a valid claim to importance or not. Also, if Blazing Saddles is uploaded on YouTube, it's still Blazing Saddles... Anyway, I'm watching Mission to Mars and it's kind of cool, never seen it before. Drmies (talk) 02:09, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

But the point is that Blazing Saddles has other avenues of distribution than Youtube. If the only way one has ever been able to get Blazing Saddles is through Youtube, then I think the case for web content becomes much stronger. It's not so much the author of the subject as it is the distributor that I'm talking about. It's analogous to the SPS logic. There does seem to be something subtly wrong with my criterion, but I'm having trouble putting it into words. I see your point about requiring evaluation but I'm not sure it's that simple, because I'm not sure we'd ever be able to overcome that. Maybe I'll sleep on it and the answer will come to me in the night; that's when all my best ideas happen anyway. "It is the foetus of a thought; but I cherish it." Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 02:34, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

I'm sitting next to a foetus the size of a basketball, by the way. But I'm interested in the more existential issue, aside from who publishes it. Anyway, natti natti and may the groove be with you. Drmies (talk) 02:45, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

In our increasingly electronic world, these are not si,ple questions. It may become a completely arbitrary decision where to draw the line between "book" and "web content". I'm sure I don't have the answer, but it's probably best not to go the speedy route if there's doubt whether it counts as a book or not. I hope the foetus himself is not the size of a basketball; it's hard enough on Mrs. Drmies if it's her belly that is that size. LadyofShalott 03:11, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

• Hard to say, Lady. She's huge! Today I'm going with to the doctor, after reading my Bradley handbook last night. Squat! Kegel! Breathe! Drmies (talk) 12:43, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Nauman Syed Ali Kazmi

Hello Drmies. I noticed a comment you made earlier about a page which was nominated for CSD and then prodded by me but was ultimately deleted for CSD by you. You left a comment on another user's talk page [Here] which is kind of making me scratch my head since I was 1 of 2 people to nominate this article for CSD and the only one to prod it. I wanted to make clear the reason that I nominated it for CSD in the first place: The creator of the article had the exact same name as the article being created. I've never seen an article pass any threshold given that, and often I see the creator being blocked. I cannot speak for the comment regarding the CSD because myself and another person nominated the page, however I was the only one to prod it. This brings me to the question: What exactly do you mean by taking a test and does this have anything to say regarding personal intelligence? Have a good one. Keystoneridin (speak) 05:06, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

• I see lots of incorrect CSD tagging, and I'm not the only one. "Conflict of interest: Username is the same as article name" is, as editor Sigma pointed out, a non-existing reason. CSD are very narrowly defined and for a good reason: it's a speedy process. You can't just make up a reason for speedy deletion.

  Moreover, that the editor's name is the same as the article's name is never a reason for speedy deletion, and such an editor won't be blocked until they actually make disruptive edits; a mere COI does not lead to a block. Which leads me to my answer: you should probably re-read the instructions for CSD tagging. If you had, you could have tagged it with {{db-content}} and saved the (correct) intervention of Sigma and of the IP editor. That you think such users are (and should be blocked) immediately is incorrect as well. That's what I meant. Incorrect CSD tagging is a continuing source of irritation for admins who have to sort things out, and a source of irritation (not in this case, I'm sure) for new editors who often see their work marked incorrectly with deletion tags. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 14:14, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Drmies, frankly I am a little dissapointed that you would make such an insulting comment about an editor. I am further disappointed that you would presume to state what I believe. I never issued a statement regarding my beliefs. Honestly I have no where to take my complaint. So I am going to drop the stick and ask politely that all communication between us is ceased. Good day to youKeystoneridin (speak) 14:46, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

I am not aware of having made any insulting comment, nor have I said anything about your beliefs, as far as I know. If you cannot be told that you were wrong (which you clearly were) you probably shouldn't be working in a collaborative project. Or you can act like a grown-up and admit you were wrong, of course--and I will say one more time, you cannot invent your own CSD tags. You can cease all communications quite easily: don't show up here; you don't have to ask, politely or otherwise. But if you continue to tag incorrectly, and I happen to be the admin you ask to do something, I will point out the error. Happy days to you. Drmies (talk) 15:24, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

please see my talk page where I took responsibility for the mistake. Again, I am sorry for the trouble. Keystoneridin (speak) 15:37, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Keystoner, I'm really interested in improving your tagging, not in telling you that you did something wrong. There is no apology necessary for having made a mistake: this CSD stuff is just more complicated than folks sometimes think. But consider this: for the most part, deletion is a one-time thing and we need to be careful with it. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 17:29, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

I see you and I have very different interpretations of "dropping the stick". I think it means "dropping the stick", not "taking it to ANI". Drmies (talk) 17:33, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

I was until I discovered your un-related opinion to the CSD discussion that I started. I was not looking for a request to this, I was looking for the correct way to contest a speedy.Keystoneridin (speak) 17:50, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Wikimania

Nice seeing you again, Drmies. Hope you now have plenty of good ideas to improve the Education Program! Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 05:43, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

• Don't know if any of them are good, Ed, but I sent some off. Are you still in town for the Education Working Group? It was good to see you again--wish we'd had some time to chat, beyond just the usual banter. Drmies (talk) 14:15, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
  • No, I'm in the Detroit Airport right now. With editing the Signpost nowadays, I didn't want to have the appearance of a COI with the WMF. I still support the program's goals, but I can't really take direct action with it. :-) Yeah, I wish we had more time too, but my email's always open if you want to chat that way. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 21:32, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
    • I'm somewhat anxiously awaiting the results of this two-day meetup of the working group to see what kind of structure they come up with. I know next to nothing about such things--organizations, hierarchies, structures, etc, but I am interested and I want to have something to do with, professionally and wikipedialy. Hey, get home safe if that's where you're headed, and if not, don't do anything I wouldn't do and do the things that you do do in a safe manner. And in a tasteful manner, of course. Drmies (talk) 22:15, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
      • Hope they come back good. I'm home and safe right now, but I can't imagine "anything [you] wouldn't do" is a very large list... Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 13:24, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
        • Oh, I just wish I were young again, titan. Instead, I'm cooking dinners and wiping butts and washing hair, and none of it for me or mine. But I trust I'm doing it tastefully. Hey, enjoy the rest of your summer! Drmies (talk) 00:04, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Tamsier

Hi Drmies, sorry for that comment on Tamsier's talk page, should have made my position clearer. Hoping you understand where I was coming from, and that it wasn't a comment against you. Regards, Callanecc (talk • contribs) talkback (etc) template appreciated. 06:43, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

• Well, I'm glad you cleared it up. I have a hard time understanding why anyone would want to understand that editor. Sometimes block logs are undeserved, but not in this case, and the argument that it shows they have a passionate interest in improving the project doesn't hold water. I'm staying away from this person and will let them hang themselves. Thanks for your note. Drmies (talk) 13:44, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
  • I hope you change your mind and come to this dispute resolution about the Serer religion article as your input may be valuable. Eladynnus (talk) 21:56, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

AN/I Notice

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.

Ugh. I have both this and your talk page on my watchlist, Keystoneridin; I was writing out a post on your talk page, asking you to reconsider your opinion of Drmies and his comments to you. I decided not to post it, as I thought it blew over; I'm regretting that decision now. This is not something that needed to be escalated anywhere, much less to ANI. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 17:42, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Don't bother. I am going to retire my account. I don't want to be part of an organization where an admin can say whatever they want, without repercussions while a minion editor like myself says one off topic issue and get's blocked. I have absolutely no respect for drmies after this.Keystoneridin (speak) 17:53, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

And you can make mistakes (two in a row on the same article) and be corrected (by two other editors, not me) and then falsely accuse me of rudeness and bring me up in a very public noticeboard. I don't need your respect; I would settle for proper table manners. BTW, you're not blocked, and removing your support for Bbb as an admin to oppose because of this is...well, I don't wish to be rude so I'll keep the truth to myself. Drmies (talk) 17:58, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Who said my vote was moved to oppose because of this? There you go again, assuming you know what I'm thinking.Keystoneridin (speak) 18:00, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

• Give me a plausible reason for I'm sure your unexplained change from "Well thought out reply. I look forward to working with you in the future!" to "Good luck". Drmies (talk) 18:55, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Well, hey, I'm not an admin, so nobody can accuse me of admin abuse if I speak my mind. Keystone: I really hope that you come back to Wikipedia once your tantrum is over. Once you realize how amazingly childish you're being and start assuming good faith when other people are trying to help you, I think you could be a really good editor. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 18:05, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

• you don't have to believe me electriccatfish2. I would expect you to follow Drmies without question. BTW, where does it say that Drmies is a top 10 admin, or is this your effort to bolster the admins credibility with no factual basis? And yeah, he's top 10 alright... But the question is worst or best? Keystoneridin (speak) 23:16, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

My goal was to be an admin someday, but thanks to the likes of current admins, that dream just went into the toilet.Keystoneridin (speak) 18:10, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Best place for a sad dream like that. Malleus Fatuorum 19:00, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

A good gy like you can set your goals a lot higher than that. Good luck. ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 18:25, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Nope, I'm pretty sure you did that on your own. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 18:12, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

If perfection was required to be an admin, none of us would be. Well, except Drmies.  ;-) Dennis Brown - 2¢ © 18:19, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

• Well either way, to keep the karma flowing good around here I have retired my account. Happy edits to both of you. Wish you the best!Keystoneridin (speak) 18:21, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Drmies is one of the top 10 admins here, without any doubt and I do not believe any of these accusations. Electriccatfish2 (talk) 22:07, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

This whole sequence of events is odd, and I hope Keystone will soon realize that his/her reaction was completely out of proportion to the perceived slight. There was no insult offered by Drmies. LadyofShalott 23:38, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

I agree with Lady of Shallot. How was it a personal attack? How was it rude or uncivil? Also, Keystonedrin is a clean-start. Electriccatfish2 (talk) 00:38, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

• Flat *what*? And an IP agreeing with Keystone at ANI? Weird. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:16, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

• Alright, since everyone here seems to think I was talking to them somehow and NOT drmies, I will address as I can. 1.) Crisco1492, if you believe that the I.P. was somehow connected to me, please contact a check user or the appropriate user to ensure that the user was not me. 2.) Electriccatfish2, prior to this I have been nothing but cordial to you. I have no idea what your point is to illustrate that I am somehow a clean start other than to start the process of another admin to block me. If that is the case, why don't you just go to one of the admins you contact on a regular basis and ask for me to be blocked. It's as simple as that. Also, EC2, I don't care what you perceive drmies responses to me to be. I didn't write this posting to you, I wrote it to Drmies. As for the rest of you, I see that you are well groomed to step in for Drmies should anyone else have a disagreement with the admin. If you feel that my response is disruptive or in some way vandalism and you are an admin, block me. If you are not an admin, keep complaining. I didn't write this to notify all of Drmies friends that I was sending this admin to ANI, I wrote this piece to allow the user the proper notice as required by the AN/I homescreen. As for Drmies, I realize you don't care about my respect level for you as you made that clear. But the least you could do is address this situation properly instead of allowing your close watchers to insist on hounding me about their feelings towards my opposition for you.Keystoneridin (speak) 03:00, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

• There is no policy that forbids editors from getting involved in other conversations, and I never said that the IP was a sock. Please don't put words in people's mouths. I was simply agreeing with the consensus: Drmies never insulted you, and going to ANI was a bit much. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:10, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

• Crisco-> What I said "Crisco1492, if you believe that the I.P. was somehow connected to me, please contact a check user or the appropriate user to ensure that the user was not me." --->What you said "and I never said that the IP was a sock. Please don't put words in people's mouths." Please reread both statements and tell exactly, word for word, where I actually said you were considering me a sock? You won't find it. Also, who are you to tell me that Drmies did not insult me? I said I was insulted, and I am still waiting for Drmies to tell me that he did not insult me or maybe even that he may have insulted me but is not sure. Regardless, I'll determine if I have been insulted and disregard anything you say because again :I was writing for a response from Drmies. But feel free to speak as freely as you wantKeystoneridin (speak) 03:26, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

←Comment: This thread really isn't going anywhere, and is postponing Keystoneridin's retirement. I really don't think that any good is going to come from this discussion, nobody is going to change anyone's minds and it looks like arguing for the sake of arguing. I suggest everyone just put down their sticks, have a A Nice Cup of Tea (brewed in the same manner as Mr. Orwell would), and enjoy the rest of their evening/morning/afternoon/what have you. I think everyone will agree that we certainly can find better ways to occupy our time than carry on a discussion with no intention of reaching a conclusion. I personally have a box of Twinnings Earl Grey if anyone would like. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 03:37, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

• Call me too Canadian, but I prefer maple tea. (I have some, if you wish). Or you could try Indonesian tea; we have both leaves and bags. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:41, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Never had the maple tea (I must spend too much time away from home), but Orwell's essay opened my eyes. I now open the bag of tea and stir the leaves around in the water (for better infusion). While I know that loose tea is available, I have no desire to get stopped at the airport and questioned why I have what looks like a bag of pot. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 03:46, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
    • Oh, I'm not that hardcore about my tea. Mind you, we do have my mother send us maple tea once in a while. Now if only I could convince Laura or another Aussie to send me Australian coffee... had some in January, and it was pretty darn good. Black bag, forget the brand. I'd say expensive, but then again everything there is expensive. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:56, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Thank you Kelapstick. You are a saint. And FYI, I prefer my tea southern brewed, cold and loaded with sugar. Good day to you, good day to Drmies, and good day to everyone else who has had any interaction in this. I wish you all the best in your edits, and can only hope that your future contributions will be nothing but the best! Take care!Keystoneridin (speak) 03:49, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

I'll be the spoilsport here and say that I prefer coffee. Keystoner, this is a public venue, and the various commentators here are a select bunch, handpicked for their elegance and/or knowledge of Wiki policies and guidelines. Kelapstick, for instance, is a renowned expert on square milk jugs (BTW, K, Clean Bottle is advertising pretty heavily during the Tour de France programs--and they make this). Keystoner, I got nothing against you personally, but a. you'll have to allow that you can't befriend everyone and sometimes people will blow off steam and b. very little is gained from confrontation, usually. I don't want to see you retire because I think the good you have done far outweighs the bad. But consider that being taken to ANI is not a pleasant experience--though I think you found that taking someone to ANI can be even less pleasant. On that note, I will go have that coffee, after our morning exercise. Crisco, are you ready? Drmies (talk) 12:26, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

• And of course I can't open the link. Bleh. (You being in the US now, you've probably had Timmy's by now, or has it not made it that far south yet?) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:19, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

• Sorry man. Uitzending Gemist is fantastic, and not just for morning exercises. No, I've not been there and I probably wouldn't--as much as I love donuts (the simple, 'original' kind), they spell death to diabetics. Oh, now you got me all hungry! Drmies (talk) 00:26, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

• Oh, when home I go there for the coffee. IMHO better than Starbucks and half the price! Indonesia has nothing on that... Starbucks? Excelso? Overpriced and overbred coffee. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:36, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Watchlist change caused by mediawiki update

FYI.... Mediawiki software was messed with today. A change caused any watchlist customization to go haywire. Equazcion has updated Wikipedia:Customizing watchlists to reflect the changes. Bgwhite (talk) 19:52, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! I updated mine. I don't think Drmies bothers with any customization, but the primary purpose of his talk page is to facilitate your communication with others such as Kelapstick or myself. BTW, the season premiere of Breaking Bad was great. I hope you were somewhere with cable so you got to see it, and don't have to wait for Netflix. Oh, Drmies, the opening scene prominently featured bacon! MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 20:58, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

This page has to be the communication hub of atleast 10 people, which is why I posted the message here. This page certainly isn't used to talk to Drmies. I don't have cable and my parents have dish, so there is no way of seeing it via legal means. I'll have to wait for Netflix, sigh. It is sad that this is the last season. Bgwhite (talk) 21:36, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Correct, Mandarax--moreover I don't look at my watchlist, which is too big for the human eye anyway. It'll be a miracle if Wikipedia still has sentences five years from now. BTW, there was lots of talk at Wikimania about such fancy things, like visual interface (?) and such. Who wants to type anymore? Bg, all good things come to an end; I'm surprised they kept it so good for so long. Drmies (talk) 21:57, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

You have mail

Hello, Drmies. Please check your email; you've got mail!
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.

NewtonGeek (talk) 22:09, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

This is already being or has been figured out. Thanks anyway and sorry for the bother. NewtonGeek (talk) 22:28, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

• Well, I just responded. Now that it seems there's nothing important in it for me I'm even more interested; as the Dutch say, you made me happy with a dead sparrow. Thanks anyway for the heads-up, Drmies (talk) 23:07, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

• I've learned a new phrase. Can I use it if I'm not Dutch? Sorry about that. NewtonGeek (talk) 23:17, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

• Go for it. Drmies (talk) 01:10, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

VALLEYMAN25 returns

Hi Drmies. VALLEYMAN25 has returned from his block and immediately proceeded to upload three new copyrighted images of living people. Clearly, my messages are not getting through and I think a new block is in order. Cheers, Pichpich (talk) 02:18, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

• He's got a week to think about it. Drmies (talk) 02:40, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Would you please-

Hi,Drmies, weather is not good and month is July, have you any solution, how to make the July warm!?. Ok, please take a look at article In Other Rooms, Other Wonders that I just created. There is some error, I think, may be not, the article with same title was redirected to Daniyal Mueenuddin by Green Cardamom, I do not know the reasons. If something is wrong there, please help to solve that, and will be the article to my credit or not,if not than what to do about-?.Because yet it is not added to my" Articles created" list. Thanks.Justice007 (talk) 23:46, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

• You can always move--it's plenty warm here! A Dutch summer, there's just no medicine for that; if I were you I'd do what they do and leave. Go to France. That's a very nice article you wrote. No, it won't be added to your "articles created" list since it started as a redirect, I presume because Cardamom thought that it was a useful search term to redirect to the author. But anyone who looks at the article history will know that you wrote it, and you can, if you like, keep a hand-made list of created articles on your user page. Happy days, and don't let the rains wash your spirit away, Drmies (talk) 00:00, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

• I just have been London, there was rain too, actually London is hell of the Europe. I would like to go France and stay, but waiting "State lottery" to fully enjoy there.Now nearly morning, actually "waneer slaap je"?. Your compliment is great encourage for me, but it should not be empty,when I look at the User's pages of our part of the world,full with barnstars, giving each other, you know than I look at my user page and my reasonable good contributions,realy I beat my head for that unjust and ignorance. Silence, may be listening someone. Once again thanks and good night and morning.Justice007 (talk) 00:43, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
  • The best contributors here (obviously that does not include me) refuse barnstars. Did you ever read Oliver B. Bumble? "In stilte goed doen" is a gentleman's duty. ;) Drmies (talk) 00:51, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
  • The bad weather we've been having here in the UK is all down to the jetstream apparently, which unusually is too far south to protect us from the cold air from the north. But the good news is that it's predicted to move north in a week or so, just in time for the London Olympics. And as for barnstars .... Malleus Fatuorum 01:29, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
    • It was you I was thinking of, Malleus. Did You Know that... Justice007 is a published poet who is foolish enough to live in the Netherlands? Drmies (talk) 02:06, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

      I don't refuse barnstars, I just ignore them, as I don't have a barn. No, I had no idea that Justice007 was a published poet, but then what I know about poets and poetry is rather easily summed up by the word "nothing". It's perhaps a shame that there's no obvious way for those of us in this wet island paradise to offer more effective help to those non-native English speakers unfortunate enough to live in drier climes. English can obviously seem rather arbitrary in its spelling and grammar to those not brought up with it, and it probably is. What was GBS's spelling for "fish"? Something like "ghoti"? Malleus Fatuorum 02:23, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

• Yep--"gh" as in "laugh", "o" as in "women", "ti" as in "national". There was a prize, to be paid out of his estate, for an improvement spelling/alphabet, but someone at Wikimania (a recovering lawyer) explained to me that Shaw's will was contested and his spelling society was not deemed to be a charitable organization so all the money went to the BL and some other properly charitable club. Drmies (talk) 02:39, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

An appreciation barnstar

• Though there are unjust rules or behaviours, but there is justice too.

	An appreciation Barnstar
	An appreciation barnstar in recognition of your all past and for future work on Wikipedia. Justice007 (talk) 15:09, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Surreal Barnstar
	For having the courage to say you're not one of the project's best contributors, and the gall to imply you wanted this.  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:40, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Drmies is one of the project's best contributors IMO; without his help I'd have found it very difficult to get the Green Children up to snuff, and his The Man in the Moone is one I very much look forward to helping get some kind of blob or star in the future. Malleus Fatuorum 01:56, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

• I never said he wasn't : He helped me a lot with den Chinezenmoord (FA on the Indonesian Wikipedia and translated into Spanish btw) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:01, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

• And Javanese. Drmies, you rock. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:05, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

  Alright, enough of these unseemly outbursts of emotion among men. Malleus Fatuorum 02:08, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Sounds like someone needs a hug... Dennis Brown - 2¢ © 02:11, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

• I can't feel my toes... I don't have any toes! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:14, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Joseph Azar

Hi, I did some research including looking for references on Google, Yahoo etc.. could not find anything that directly links or provides detailed information about Joseph Azar. In my search I did find that there are people who have the same name but are not the person referred to. Can you please provide some sort of references that signifies this person's significants to Wikipedia otherwise in my opinion this falls under a A7 Request for Speedy Deletion (Non-notable person). Thank you. TheGoofyGolfer (talk) 09:31, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

• I disagree, as I explained in my edit summary. The claim is that this person is important and that's all that's necessary to avoid speedy deletion. You can try AfD if you like, but as I said I found a few things in Google (and Google Books) that seem to verify this information. See this (I hope you can see it). Drmies (talk) 13:31, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

• I agree with Drmies. My impression is that TheGoofyGolfer was misled by the large number of modern people who have this name too. In such cases, one needs an additional keyword to narrow the search. Cochin seems good in this case. Warden (talk) 14:32, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Thank you Colonel. Drmies (talk) 14:47, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Thank you both for your replies and clarifications. TheGoofyGolfer (talk) 20:22, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Ninjago

Excuse me, but I really want to know why you deleted nearly all of the Lego Ninjago article? I know there are not many references, but I have watched the series and seen many of the sets. I know that nearly all of the information you deleted was correct, although the grammar left much to be desired and could easily have been corrected. --ProtoDrake (talk) 09:29, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

• The grammar or the correctness wasn't the problem (though I thank you for your attention to it): such information is profoundly unencyclopedic since it's nothing but a list of Lego sets. One of the essays that applies here is Wikipedia:Fancruft though I am sure there are people watching this page who have more appropriate acronyms at their disposal. As for the "plot"--this is a collection of toys, not a narrative--novels and movies have plots, Lego sets do not. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 13:40, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

The wikilinks that come to my mind are WP:COPYVIO and/or WP:CLOSEPARAPHRASE, given that at least one of the removed paragraphs was lifted almost verbatim from the Lego website. I think the whole "plot" thing apparently comes from a video game tie-in with the Lego sets. Man, what happened to the "50 red blocks" sets that I played with as a kid? Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 13:48, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I see. I guess you're right Drmies. I hope there are no hard feelings between us. Though I hope you will draw the line at Hero Factory and Bionicle, which have their story and their sets so closely related that one can't really exist without the other. Hope to hear from you again some time (and hopefully when I don't make a mistake like this again). My thanks and Cheers from me. --ProtoDrake (talk) 14:09, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your note, ProtoDrake. Many such articles are indeed problematic and if you really want to improve them--well, improve them... If a story line is related to a set then the story line needs some kind of backup. Even if this one had been (better)explained and verified one way or another, I might have just tagged it for "excessive plot detail" (Template:Plot). Don't worry about a thing: we live and learn, no matter how long we've been around. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 14:13, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

There's a mess in my sandbox :-(

Hi Dr,

I know you've seen the badgery mess in my sandbox... I need some selective deletion, please?

I had planned to work up the material in my sandbox and then copy and paste it into the mainspace. I was lucky enough to get some help from bobrayner, which means I need to preserve his contributions because of the CC-BY-SA and the GFDL--but this also means I need to move the page instead of pasting it. Unfortunately there are a lot of revisions to that page that have absolutely nothing to do with badgers.

I'm sorry to be a pain in the donkey, but could I persuade you to pop over to User:S Marshall/Sandbox, delete every revision before 16 July 2012, move the resulting article to Badger culling in the United Kingdom, and then undelete all the revisions in my sandbox? Please?

All the best,—S Marshall T/C 11:42, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

• I'll have a look, S Marshall--no problem at all. Moving is always better than pasting. Drmies (talk) 12:48, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
• Alright, it's done. Now make sure you get it on the front page via DYK! Drmies (talk) 13:13, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

• Danke schön!—S Marshall T/C 13:52, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Alas

How can it possibly be so hard to find people at Wikimania? I mean, other than the 1,000+ people milling about. Are you going to Hong Kong for 2013? --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 18:42, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

• Only if you and I schedule dinner beforehand. Are you? I don't know: such a big place scares me. Hey, I was really, really pleased for you. Oh, and our baby has a full head of hear in utero, how about it? Drmies (talk) 19:40, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Wow! Have you had an itchy belly? They say that scratching can cause that. I may wind up in Hong Kong, although as much as I hate travel I would almost rather hire a local ringer to go in and be me. :/ --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 19:42, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
    • Coolz, if you go I'll try and see you (if I can get a scholarship and the Mrs will forgive me having... former relations... there) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:49, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

ANI

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Robby The Penguin (talk) (contribs) 19:28, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

• That's a great way to make friends. Drmies (talk) 20:05, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

• At least you got an apology. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:47, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

A pie for you!

As an apology for "dragging" you to ANI. Robby The Penguin (talk) (contribs) 20:12, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

• Well, that's certainly appreciated, and there seems to be enough for everyone. Drmies (talk) 20:16, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

UP Sigma Rho Fraternity

Thanks for removing more redlinked notables. I figured I'd done as much as I could without being challenged. 50.131.220.134 (talk) 03:57, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

• I would want all redlinks removed, personally, from all those kinds of lists, but some people are dead-set on keeping those in there, verified or not. I left the politicians etc., since those are automatically notable--even though they lack verification. Thanks for your note. Drmies (talk) 03:59, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

We share the same goal, apparently. ;) 50.131.220.134 (talk) 04:26, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

AN/I notice

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Unwarranted Deletion. Thank you. elektrikSHOOS (talk) 04:59, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Jeez, you're a popular guy. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 13:03, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

This is what, three times in two days? I'd only been hauled there once before I think. All child's stuff. Drmies (talk) 14:25, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Subject in List w/o WP article

Hi, It was very kind of your self and nice to see your comments here, with positive approach. Unfortunately I was not clear to specify about the Poet and journalist: Syed Hashim Jalal over there,

• Please see the subject's CV here.
• He authored 2 Bengali books, which gain average response.
• The subject is an average popular poet, for which he received some recognitions also.

As you know WP more than me, I am sure it is okay to include the subject name in the list, because I beleive a person with this recognition can be listed at List of Indian poets. In my earlier edits I attached those sources, because it proves that he is a poet but not with much popularity, but not because he might/or not had slept with xyz writer. Regards :) --Omer123hussain (talk) 13:03, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

• No, that's not OK, as far as I can see. There is no evidence in any of this that the person is notable--but you can easily prove me wrong by writing an article, even a really short one, on the guy, to see if that flies. Good luck, Drmies (talk) 13:50, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

A haunting philosophy draft, with ghosts and everything

• Non-physical entity (AfD discussion)
• User:Uncle G/Non-physical entity

I've put a draft together, as I said I might when you were having the munchies. Have a look. Uncle G (talk) 14:13, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

• A draft of an essay, Uncle? ;) Yes, the basic setup is what I think an article like this should have. I'll have a closer look--right now it's not the munchies but the last mountain stage in the Tour. Drmies (talk) 14:38, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

I REALLY need some suggestions!

In a recent discussion someone felt I am a sockpuppet. Well, that is entirely incorrect, so I am not worried at all.
But,

• I have two more alternative accounts (which I don't use), I have already revealed it to a checkuser, you can see the revelation here.
• But, I know I use Tata Photon's long range dynamic IP address, if you trace my IP address, it'll tell I am in Hyderabad or Bangalore, but I am actually in Kolkata which is 1000+ KM from those two cities. My IP address changes every few hours (generally range is 14.96.xxx.xxx – 14.99.xxx.xxx, here is a screenshot). When I was not signed into my account (I generally always stay signed it, but very rarely I don't) I have got warning for my IP address, at least two times. I can find this thread at this moment where I posted a reply after getting the notice– User talk:14.96.27.220.
  

I am not fully aware of SPI investigation procedure, but, you may find tens (or even hundreds (yes it may be) of accounts) are being used from my IP addresses (as I told I use IP address from a range which changes very frequently). So, I am little worried and I REALLY need some suggestions! --Tito Dutta ✉ 17:36, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

My bad timing! I can see an SPI report has been submitted already. Ignore that report, It will lead to nowhere. I am not worried at all about that report. But, please provide me some suggestions about those 14.99 range IP address issues (well, okay, after the SPI issue is over)! --Tito Dutta ✉ 17:43, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

• I'm not sure why you're asking me--I'm not a CU, and I'm not smart. Did AGK not respond to your note? Drmies (talk) 18:18, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

No, he did not, I did not see any response in his talk page for next few days!

If you know any checkuser, can you please ask someone to do the investigation quickly here? It'll be very helpful. --Tito Dutta ✉ 18:23, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:CHECKUSER#Contacting_a_CheckUser. Good luck, Drmies (talk) 18:24, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Pinkwashing

Yes a problem with refs on this disamb page. But Tikkun not a reliable source? It's a respected journal and it published a debate on the topic. Bmclaughlin9 (talk) 18:51, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

• You are correct: I take that back rightaway, with apologies. Hold on... Drmies (talk) 19:25, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
• I think the solution is obvious, and besides news sources (including yours) there are a few book sources: an article, Pinkwashing (xxx), though I don't know as yet what to fill in for "xxx". Maybe "political strategy"? ([1]) or "rhetorical strategy"? Let's write it up. I would right now but I have to go demonstrate for gay rights. (Really, I have to go pick up my kid.) Thanks for your note. Drmies (talk) 19:30, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

It's not an easy entry to name or to compose, which is why I chose the short-term solution. Harms no one. Educates a few.

You can find pinkwashing in Wiktionary with examples. And a half dozen hits in the New York Times. No hits anywhere yet for "Scott Brown" and pinkwashing.

There's Pinkwashing (neologism) following the model Santorum (neologism), but that redirects to Campaign for "santorum" neologism, so it's not much of a model. And it's also a neologism when used with respect to breast cancer. Blacklist stands on its own as does Blackballing. Pinkwashing as a political term is used mostly in the Israeli-Palestinian context, but I see Franke would apply it, at least for the purposes of discussion, to the Obama administration, so nothing mideast-specific.

Pinkwashing (politics) may be a shade too specific. I can imagine the term extending to the corporate world. It's really a PR strategy of sorts, though one that will most often be denied or disavowed by its practitioners. Bmclaughlin9 (talk) 20:18, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

• In that respect it's a lot like the "other" pinkwashing, with pink ribbons, and "neologism" does not distinguish between the two, so a new article should in all honesty cover both pink ribbons and LGBT matters. Here's what we can do in the meantime: a section within LGBT marketing, more or less like the pink ribbon pinkwashing. I'll go write it up; there's no napping here today anyway. Drmies (talk) 21:19, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
• OK, I added a line to the dab page and a paragraph to the article, which could be greatly expanded just on Israel alone with the references I attached. See what you think. Drmies (talk) 21:35, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Tired of-

• Hi, Drmies, You told to Malleus Fatuorum that "Justice007 is a published poet who is foolish enough to live in the Netherlands?". Let me a bit change the sentence, "Justice007 is a published poet who is foolish enough to edit/contribute the Wikipedia?." Here is my new guest, 1

2 3 To be bold or take award of edit warring?. I worked there hours and hours and in a second formated. Thank. Justice007 (talk) 23:16, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

• Justice, I asked SpangleJ to explain on the talk page; I hadn't seen that you were duking it out with another warrior. Careful: you can't go around claiming "vandalism" so quickly. Hold off on further reverting until SpangleJ comments; maybe they can help you two come to terms. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 00:04, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

• Thanks, about vandal, I had already asked this.I will be careful. Justice007 (talk) 08:41, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

God of War: Chains of Olympus

Hey - you are right, I will do better in how I talk to the other joes. Thanks Bluerim (talk) 00:37, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

• Well, toes are easily stepped on, and everyone thinks that their version is better. I'll be the first to admit that I can be a dick about such things, and the more I am the less I get done. This is really a place where it's best to make friends, though I know you can't always please everyone, as the recent ANI threads dedicated to me prove abundantly. Happy days, Drmies (talk) 00:52, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

AN/I Notice (3)

Just back a couple of days from a week's vacation in the Finger Lakes region, sans editing (except for twice I fell off the wagon and edited from my cell phone), and, just to make your day, it's my duty to inform you that you are not the subject of a new thread on AN/I - so you'll have to work a little harder, please. Beyond My Ken (talk) 03:51, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

• Well now. We're just going to have to do something about that. Let me remove some unverified, unreliable, doubtful, and tagged-for-five-years information and that should take care of it. Hey BMK, welcome back: I wuz wondering where u wuz. Hope you enjoyed! Drmies (talk) 03:55, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

• Yep, pretty area, pretty relaxing time, also went to the Baseball Hall of Fame in Cooperstown, which was pretty impressive, but pretty glad to get back to the land of late night pizza joints anyway. (I could have done without the 4-hour drive home which turned into a 7-hour crawl, which was pretty much a drag.) Beyond My Ken (talk)

Argentina

There is no hypothesis being made. A factually referenced statement is made. This has been reporting in international reliable media outlets, such as the Huffington Post which is referneced there, which felt it was important to mention. The point is to show that this attack happened on the 18th anniversary, which is a fact. Anything else is pure inferences from looking into it too much. I would appreciate if you revert it back to the properly referenced statement from the other editor. --Activism1234 04:50, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

• No. Lots of things have happened on 18 July, and there is no reliable source making a connection that one can state as a fact--that it happened on that anniversary is a fact, and someone else proposed it's the anniversary of the publication of Mein Kampf--also a fact. Did You Know that 18 July is also Nelson Mandela International Day? The connection needs to be proven; fortunately I'm not the only one arguing that. Drmies (talk) 05:03, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
  • As I recall, neither Meink Kampf nor Nelson Mandela International Day are anniversaries of terrorist attacks whose perpetrators have been accused by the authorities as being the same ones here. There are places all over Wikipedia where it says "X took place on the anniversary of Y" without listing everything that happened on that day. Again, there's nothing about a connection here, many international RS media outlets seem to think there is a reason to include it in their articles, which is to highlight that it was the 18th anniversary, nothing more and nothing less. This is becoming something that it shouldn't. It's digging far too deep and completely twisting the sentence. Fortunately, I'm not the only one arguing that. --Activism1234 05:07, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
    • You are demonstrating what original research is here. I have no idea what you mean with "digging too deep". You have no evidence whatsoever that that was why it happened on that day; you're just guessing, just like the one who proposed a Mein Kampf connection. That various people suggest it is not yet relevant: this is not a newspaper where every possible reason needs to be reported. Drmies (talk) 12:47, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Ok much more seriously I have a major major issue with the revert you just did. You wrote in teh summary box "the article says possibly." I'm not sure what article you're referring to. However, that would be a reason to keep it in suspected perp line, rather than remove it. It wasn't in perp line, it was in suspected perp line. Furthermore, the whole section on Responsibility explains why it should be in suspected perp line - they're suspected by the authorities, prosecutors, and other agencies as well, and evidence has been offered. Hence suspected. I'm really not sure what is going on with these edits, it's getting completely ridiculous... [P.S. If this was a knee-jerk reaction to an edit I made, understand this was in susperps line for a long time, and I wasn't the one who originally put it in (wasn't editing then), I only put it in very recently when a random I.P. address removed it to push a PoV and vandalize) --Activism1234 05:10, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
    • "The article" is the Wikipedia article and its sources. The article doesn't say that Hezbollah is for sure responsible, so the infobox shouldn't do it either. Where I'm from, you can't state things that are not facts in an encyclopedic article as if they are facts. And if that's politicized, it's POV pushing. That seems obvious too me. Oh, "knee-jerk": you seem to be in the habit of adding unverified information and opinion to our articles, stating it as fact, and then you ask for semi-protection to make sure that no (IP) editor removes it. You should expect scrutiny. Drmies (talk) 12:47, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
      • You basically just supported everything I wrote... <Suspected>: 1.Have an idea or impression of the existence, presence, or truth of (something) without certain proof.
      • 2.Believe or feel that (someone) is guilty of an illegal, dishonest, or unpleasant act, without certain proof.
      • Argentina, Israel, and American National Security Agency and other orgs suspect Hezbollah and Iran and have accused both of them and have brought reasonable proof. We're talking about the suspected box, not the perp box, again. And they are clearly suspected. --Activism1234 19:51, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
        • I don't know what a "suspected box" is. The infobox I edited is called "Infobox terrorist attack" and the parameter I changed is "Perpetrators". Seems clear enough to me. Drmies (talk) 22:32, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
          • The infobox contained a line for perpetrator and for suspected perpetrator. Hezbollah was a suspected perpetrator. --Activism1234 22:38, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

 :)  quotesandpoem.com/quotes/showquotes/tv/seinfeld/157216    60.241.171.231 (talk) 23:37, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Very useful. Thank for explaining so much why we should remove stuff from a suspected line when the article demonstrates he's suspected. If you're going to just link to irrelevant stuff that doesn't contribute in any way to this important discussion, then please reconsider posting it. I'm trying to have a serious discussion about a serious edit and either get an explanation or a revert, and this really doesn't help out. --Activism1234 23:55, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Sorry I thought there was a need for some comic relief. 60.241.171.231 (talk) 23:59, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

• Indeed. Now let's move on. Drmies (talk) 00:05, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
  • I'm more than happy to, if you can either provide a credible explanation why you removed Hezbollah from the suspected perpetrator line, when there's a load of evidence that points at them from various countries and organizations, or revert it. That's all I'm asking. So far, none of that has been achieved, and it's very distressing. --Activism1234 01:26, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
    • OK, I looked at the edits one more time, and I did not "remove Hezbollah from the suspected perpetrator line" as much as I reverted to the version that had "suspects: unknown". The full template does have a "suspected" parameter, you are correct, but the guideline for that line in the documentation says "Those who are currently believed to have committed the attack(s)". Now, that Hezbollah is "believed" to have committed the attack is not borne out by the article. An IP just added that a Hezbollah operative was charged, verified by sources, but that charge is all there is: there was no court case, there is no definitive proof as far as I know. The article also says (and the infobox needs to be based on the info in the article) that the Islamic Jihad Organization, which claimed responsibility, "has been linked to Iran and possibly Hezbollah"--but that's a long way from "suspected". Finally, two sources (one from the State Department but the link seems to be incorrect) claim "Hezbollah involvement"--again, that's not the same as the suspicion that Hezbollah did it. Saying so that Hezbollah is "the" suspected perp is pushing the sources and the article beyond what they say. Drmies (talk) 02:01, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
      • Firstly, I appreciate this response. It is exactly the type I've been looking for this entire time. I am sincere about this, thank you.
      • Argentinian prosecutors have placed the blame on Hezbollah and Iran. In their mind, they are the perpetrators. At the very least, it is enough that they are suspected to be the perpetrators. As a matter of fact, top Hezbollah operative Mugniyeh (killed in Damascus 4 years ago) was formally charged by Argentina with participating in the bombings of the Israeli embassy. This is also in the article. The article as well lists info from the American National Security Agency, etc. It doesn't necessarily need to say in the infobox as suspected "Hezbollah," but rather to show that they have been connected to it. For example "Argentina has accused Hezbollah of carrying it out" or something like that or "being complicit" in it. It's good that it doesn't say "Unknown" now and the perpetrators box has the Islamic Jihad Organization, but I feel that based on the amount of evidence Hezbollah should be mentioned somewhere there as suspected, since Argentina and other groups/sources do suspect them. It's true there wasn't court cases - the cases were corrupted from the start, and it has only been in recent years that new evidence and changes have come to light. You mention that there isn't any proof, but in fact there are the messages that were intercepted by the American National Security Agency. If there was conclusive proof, well I would think it'd go in the perpetrator box, no? Instead, I feel it's enough for suspected.
      • Again, thanks for the response. We just have two different ways of viewing the same thing, so I don't really see a way to resolve this unless we open an RfC or something or get some other people invovled... I'm happy to discuss it as a friendly argument, but I don't want people thinking it's a personal argument or they're being seriously attacked. --Activism1234 04:02, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Excuseme99

131.239.63.0/24 has been blocked for a week, and I extended your block on 131.239.63.5 to a month. Employees of Staples won't be able to edit Wikipedia during work hours for that week, but I expect that Staples corporate offices would send me a thank-you letter if they knew.—Kww(talk) 05:58, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Heh

When you closed Accusing an editor of acting in bad faith on ANI, I noticed your closing comment ... you do know that Kim Dent-Brown is a dude, right? (✉→BWilkins←✎) 10:22, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

• No, but I do now! Well, I suppose I do--for all I know they might be a dog. I'll pop over and talk it out, like men amongst themselves do. Drmies (talk) 12:33, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

[He's] the dude, playing the dude, disguised as another dude (✉→BWilkins←✎) 16:31, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

I left you a dickish response on that ANI thread about your big admin phallus. Drmies (talk) 16:37, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Comics Star
		i've spoken to Jughead Jones and he assures me there is an appropriate hat for every head. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:25, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

• Hehe thanks. Hey, I told my kids about this cool guy from Alaska that I met with this cool name--but it was the moose poop that impressed them most. Drmies (talk) 22:15, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Upendra

Someone has removed maintenance tags from Upendra article (again) without solving issues. Following your suggestion, I have not made any changes. --Tito Dutta ✉ 12:22, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

• Whoa, that was not my suggestion at all--my suggestion, during that ANI thread, was to stop edit-warring. This is just disruption, and there is no reason not to revert it. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 12:43, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

"First and only"

I know we've clashed previously on AWB's habit of listing style changes and taggings as typo fixes - would you be willing to tell me if I'm completely out of line here regarding this particular addition to the "list of typos", which will automatically treat "first and only" as a typo, and "fix" it to just plain "only"? To me, this is way over the line and will generate far more false positives than true positives, quite aside from the automated edit summaries it will generate (Typo fixed: "first and" → ""). Mogism (talk) 18:20, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

• Hey Mogism, thanks for your note. I've never seen such a list before--that is one hell of a collection. (And pardon my pickiness re:"typo"...it's a professional deformation.) As to your question, your argument makes perfect sense to me: the replacement would remove examples where "first and only" indeed points at something that was without precedent as well as alone. SunCreator had an interesting follow-up, another valid example, but I'm not sure I understand their "fix" or GoingBatty's subsequent edit. Thanks, and good luck with it, Drmies (talk) 18:31, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Thanks for that - I wanted a second opinion from someone outside the "AWB regulars" group as to whether this was an overreaction. (The discussion is now going on here - at the moment it looks like this particular change is going to be reversed.) I do think that "typo fix" list is an extraordinary achievement, and (when it works correctly) is a remarkably powerful tool; it's astonishing how many errors even the best writers make, and how many mistakes conventional spell-checkers don't spot. Mogism (talk) 07:19, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

It all works out

Not always the way you wanted, but sometimes for the better. Have a good weekend, friend. Listen to some good music, drink a few Belgian Tripels and enjoy the pool. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © (WER) 00:03, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

• Oh, I had one already (a St. Feuillien) and a couple of Old Fashioneds, but the rock and roll of choice this evening was Tonight's the Night. You enjoy your weekend too! Drmies (talk) 01:00, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

• Neil Young? I've worked on the Shirelles' song, but never heard of Neil Young's... — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:03, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

• No wonder you say that in small: you ought to be ashamed of yourself, Crisco. Our article is terrible: there's a great story to be told, which you can glean from Shakey. The tape mentioned in the article, apparently David Briggs had it laying around in his car for two decades, but we're still waiting on its release. It is one of the greatest (and sloppiest!) rock and roll albums ever, and I don't say that easily, but it takes some getting used to. Give it a try. Drmies (talk) 01:22, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

• Wow, that article is in bad shape. I'll have to take a look at it... at the very least because I'm Canadian. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:43, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

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Snootcher

Hi Drimes, I've just extended the block you imposed on Snootcher (talk · contribs) to an indefinite duration seeing as they've continued to attack other editors while blocked - I'm not seeing any evidence that they're here to genuinely improve articles or work with others. Regards, Nick-D (talk) 06:22, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

• That's pretty sad, but it's the way it is. I like to think that I tried but even if I did I failed. Thanks for you note. Drmies (talk) 12:45, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Is asking another user to re-examine and re-add something I edited unethical?

I have tried to make the 2012 Burgas bus bombing article less speculative since I stumbled onto to it from google, since then I have been accused by user:activism of vandalism and so I tried to be less bold I just asked another user to give me a second opinion on some information I posted which activism removed and I'm now being accused of being unethical can you please tell me if these accusations are valid or not, if so I will stop working on the article if not please ask this user to stop.60.241.171.231 (talk) 16:09, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Can you perhaps explain where I called you unethical (and vandalism) as well? This is a serious accusation. I suggested first asking me to clarify further than what I wrote in the summary box for the reason of my edits, and then going to the talk page, rather than asking another editor with similar views to reinsert it. That's all. --Activism1234 16:16, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Activism, I don't like this "with similar views". I have no idea who this IP is or what they're doing. You might want to consider that not every position can be caught in views and that not every editor will fall into one of two possible camps. It's incorrect and irritating. Drmies (talk) 21:45, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Simply put, the other editor either made similar reverts, voiced the same position on it, or made the same edit/revert. I simply suggested asking me for a more detailed explanation than what I wrote in the summary box, and if that wasn't satisfying, then going to the talk page for a broad range of views. I don't find it irritating at all, but I respect your view on the matter, and I hope this clarification is acceptable. --Activism1234 21:58, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

How can you know what view I have if I don't even know what the matter is? Or, why would a similar edit (if you say so) be accompanied by a similar motive? That's a rhetorical question--no need to answer. Drmies (talk) 22:04, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Oh so then this is just a misunderstanding... I was referring to the editor whose talk page he wrote on originally, not you. Don't get offended about it, I didn't intend it as an insult anyway, and certainly didn't refer to you. I do believe an answer is appropriate here so you understand I wasn't referring to you and don't harbor ill feelings or hatred towards me. --Activism1234 22:09, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Oh, I'm not harboring anything--but I still don't know what this complaint by the IP is about, and I'm not all that interested. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 22:16, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Duly noted. Thanks. --Activism1234 22:23, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Fine forget it I retract my complaint. Life's too short to spend it on Wikipedia arguing. I'm out.60.241.171.231 (talk) 16:21, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Doctor protection

Hey Drmies, I saw you semi-protected Doctor for a period of three months. However, you said you fully protected on WP:RfPP. I changed the template to {{RfPP|s}}. I jut wanted to know if you wanted a semi or full protection. Thanks. -- Luke (Talk) 01:23, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

• Thanks--copy and paste error. BTW, full protection might be an option if that conflict continues. Drmies (talk) 03:00, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Reolian Public Transport Co. - Page locked

Hello Drmies, the wiki page Reolian Public Transport Co. has been locked on July 20. In the objective of neutrality and transparency, I would like first to tell you that I am part of this company. I have tried to remain as neutral as possible on this page, and I have seek advice on the content from other Wikipedia editors, to remain in that way.

I would like first to ask you if you have any information on how long is the page going to be locked for.

On a second aspect, some current contents of the page are redundant or remain non neutral:

1. 30% of Reolian bus are low entry, that's mean 70% of Reolian bus are not low entry bus, especially the minibus operate on route H1, from the floor and compartment, there are three steps, 80 cm height, it is so hard for the elderly or patients to get onto the bus.[12]. The configuration of the bus is already explained in the tables, which includes also which bus model is used on which line. Additional specification could be added if required - this could be discussed on the talk page. This sentence should be deleted as it is redundant.

2. The first picture displayed on the page: "In the begining of Reolian start service, it always broke down, policeman need to push the bus" This picture and its content has been inserted in order to damage this company. I have never seen any other Wikipedia page talking about public transport with editors inserting a bus engine breakdown as a content. The reasons of such breakdown that was affecting 7 buses (or 2.8% of our fleet) during 20 days last August have been detailed on Reolian's website FAQ - http://www.reolian.com.mo/en/faq - Point I. This picture should be deleted.

3. "Due to poor services and several bus routes' frequency delay, on the first month since Reolian start operate, the government need to order the other two operater - Transmac and TCM to help Reolian to operate the route 1, 3, 3A, MT1, MT2 of Reolian.[15][16]" On one hand the style is not very appropriate, on the other hand this is already included within the historical part:

Previous to the operation, Reolian declared that it was facing some difficulties in recruiting the 400 drivers that were necessary to operate properly the 26 bus lines awarded. On August 1, 2011, Reolian started its public transport service officially with 250 drivers instead of the planned 400. The Transport Department therefore asked the other two selected operators, Transmac and Transportas Companhia de Macau to support Reolian with some additional services on four lines until additional drivers could be hired.

This part seems redundant and should be deleted.

I regret that this page has been locked, as Wikipedia should be used, under some rules, openly.

Many thanks in advance for your feedback on this, Sincerely Titours (talk) 03:26, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

• The page is fully protected until 3 August for a very good reason: edit warring. I understand you have problems with the article and I have to say, after looking it over, that I agree that there are serious issues here. Since I protected the article and blocked your opponent I should not go in to edit it myself, but I have asked Airplaneman (talk · contribs), who has worked on it before, to step in. I'm going to copy all of this to the article talk page, where this discussion should continue. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 04:00, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

• • Thanks for copying this to the talk page, I was thinking of doing it but you were too quick here . I will do it next time without waiting. Thanks again for your very quick reply here. Titours (talk) 04:57, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Mannus Franken

Looks like a fairly important early figure in Dutch cinema. Any idea where to find sources? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:43, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

• Google Books has some (note: the second source I added has 1934 for Pareh). There's more but I can't work on it much right now, and Terang Boelan can probably also written up (for triple DYK). I've called him a film producer, which I think is accurate (need to look at more sources) and I've called him Dutch--feel free to co-opt him, haha. Crisco, I think the gap between "Dutch" and "Indonesian" is bigger than you might think; if I had to guess, I would put this down to willful collective amnesia caused by guilt. Later, Drmies (talk) 16:11, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

• Odd, Misbach Yusa Biran writes that he was already well known in the Netherlands for his documentary films. Yeah, Terang Boelan is certainly worth an article. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:17, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

And I doubt I could find this: "Mannus Franken Overleden". De Telegraaf. 3 August 1953. or Bertina, B.J. "De Filmkunstenaar Mannus Franken".De Nieuw Eeuw. 29 August 1953. (Although if it were online it would be very useful. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:31, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Yes, Dutch newspaper archives are difficult, though I found some useful ones when I wrote Paul van Tienen and associated articles. I'll get to work on Franken--were you thinking of putting Pareh up for DYK? A double might well be doable, and maybe Filmliga could be thrown in, or Albert Balink. Drmies (talk) 23:43, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

• Already there (and yes, quite a bit on Balink, especially in Indonesian) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:51, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

• Surprised that I didn't find any Dutch-language sources online. Article is more or less done. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:26, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
• Crisco, you just churn out these quality articles like you got nothing better to do. And all I do is make lousy little stubs, like Albert Balink. Drmies (talk) 01:45, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

• I don't, just yet. Classes don't start until September and right now I don't have many pupils. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:47, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

• Hey, is this also our guy? Twaalf ambachten, dertien ongelukken? Drmies (talk) 02:24, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
• Yes it is: hold on. Drmies (talk) 02:27, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

• I believe so (saw the link before). This? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:30, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

• This too. Seems to be the same Balink. He was on the 1940 Census too. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:34, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

• ALTs welcome — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:50, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Damn you Crisco, it took me longer to review Berlin-Brandenburg Academy of Sciences and Humanities than it took you to add a second one. Thanks; I'm saving mine for the next DYK. Drmies (talk) 04:36, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
    • Hehe. Copyedited in that time too. Mind you, Berlin-Brandenburg Academy of Sciences and Humanities is a bit longer and detailed. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:51, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

• I'll let you include the QPQ. Nom. Explosive rat may be a good start. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:13, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Thanks! The rat is already taken. I was going to do Erinn Walters--but look at the prose. Mrs. Drmies said it was the "choppiest damn prose" she ever read. (Lady, will you please have a look is you see this?) Crisco, shouldn't that "text" be done as a list? And do we still have a long-enough article if we do it that way? And what's more, please look at the rest--she was in year eleven in 2012, she had a burst appendix at some point, she went to a bilingual school... I know she's bagging DYKs like the pied piper, but this is really going too far. Drmies (talk) 01:57, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
    • Not knowing much about sports myself, I should properly indicate that it can be made into proper prose. (Compare David Jacobs). The year of school should be included, methinks, and context is good for the school. Don't see much of a point for the appendix though. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:05, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
      • I saw you wrote a couple as well--difference is, you know how to write proper prose. If her articles have the trivia removed (family loves them, they did work for a charity, their brother was a great influence, someone's appendix hurt, the family dog has two dicks, whatnot) and the horrible prose rendered as lists there's nothing left. I'm embarrassed that those articles get to be on the front page, and it lowers the value of the really interesting articles--I reviewed some really cool ones yesterday, on real topics, with real prose (look at Ichirizuka). I'm going to bring this up at Wikipedia talk:Did you know. I wish I didn't have to, but this can't go on. Drmies (talk) 14:18, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Notability of a literature and journalism scholar

Notability has been challenged for Donald K. Fry. I suspect - based on the publications listed in the article - he does meet out standards, but haven't tried to prove it yet. Any thoughts? LadyofShalott 17:45, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

• Yeah, I got an obvious thought: holy moly. Do you have the feeling there's a COI in there? Drmies (talk) 19:31, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
• Now I remember where I know him from: "Themes and Type-Scenes in Elene 1-113", 1969, besides some Chaucer articles. Anyway, he passes WP:PROF (I'll add a couple of reviews), but that article needs serious pruning, and Dr. Fry (with all due respect) needs to stay away from it. Drmies (talk) 19:38, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

• Yep, the COI is sort of glaringly obvious. It was even worse; I cut out a little of the blatant promotion. LadyofShalott 20:21, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

• Oh, I see you've cut a bunch. LadyofShalott 20:38, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

• Yep, per the usual in such articles on academics. Books are usually OK, IMO, but they really need a reference to a review (that's how I write those myself, usually); articles are not. A self-published novel is not of value, unless externally verified, etc. Note that I found three very reliable reviews of his books (not all totally positive, BTW) and so his notability is established beyond doubt. Drmies (talk) 21:15, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

• FYI, I dropped him a note pointing out WP:COI and WP:AUTO. Beyond My Ken (talk) 21:33, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

BMK and Drmies, take a look at Wikipedia:Help_desk#Conflict_of_Interest_and_Revisions. LadyofShalott 20:38, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

• Re: your cmt there, I assume you are looking for a copy to purchase? Otherwise, Worldcat leads me to this listing. LadyofShalott 21:41, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Yeah, I want it for my collection. Can you read the Robinson review? (He needs an article, by the way--much more than our current topic of conversation!) I'm working on a bibliography so I would like to look at different examples. Drmies (talk) 22:44, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

• Yeah, Robinson seems to say it's decent, but then focuses on the downsides. Well, even if you can't find it to buy (nice hint, hint to the author, by the way), at least you know where you can find it. I presume you all can borrow books from that other campus? LadyofShalott 23:52, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Request

Hi Drmies, I'm trying to find information for this image. Source seems to be a Dutch library but I realized what very little Dutch I can make out is far from enough for an image search on the website. Is this something you might be able to help with? The file links directly to the museum home page and I'm looking for the specific image and its description. Thanks, Truthkeeper (talk) 19:42, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

• That's a very useful website for my purposes; the organization has an article, Digital Library for Dutch Literature. But it is not a library in the old-fashioned sense of the word; it is a website with scanned text pertaining to Dutch literature--the dbnl has text in abundance, but I don't know of any image work. Moreover, as far as I know it doesn't "hold" books physically, so how they could "have" that image (and release it) is unclear to me. I can't find nothing on that website with her name, and nothing under "Chroniques de Enguerrand de Monstrelet", the supposed MS (except for a mention in a footnote). Besides, it doesn't really do medieval stuff, unless we're talking about out-of-copyright editions thereof. The user who uploaded it--wait, you know what, I bet you I know what's going on: they typed in dbnl.nl but (an odd mistake) should have typed in www.bnf.fr. Try it, and see what you can find there. Drmies (talk) 20:12, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

• Thanks for looking. That's what I thought because I couldn't find anything that seemed even remotely to suggest images. I've checked the Bnf and found other images that will be useful, but not the one we have. Here's a page from de Monstrelet's Chronique, so I doubt the image is from the same manuscript, but perhaps a different edition. It's a nice image and I'd like to keep it, but would also like to verify that it indeed shows Charles and Isabeau. Still searching. Truthkeeper (talk) 20:34, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
• Adding: This might be the manuscript, in Leiden. Truthkeeper (talk) 20:43, 23 July 2012 (UTC) Truthkeeper (talk) 20:43, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

• Wow, that's spectacular. Listen, if I can help with some translational work, please let me know. I'm sure you know to look for the names in Dutch as well. BTW, I've been working a bit on Histoire ancienne jusqu'à César--heavily illustrated. Do you know if we have an image laying around? Drmies (talk) 20:50, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

• No, I usually go to google images which brings me to Commons where nothing is well categorized, but sometimes I get lucky. The one above I found in the German wikipedia page of Monstrelet with a useful link. I don't know a lot about these images but really love them. I saw you a few days ago on the Christine de Pizan page which is an utter disaster - it needs gutting. If I find something, I'll drop it in. Truthkeeper (talk) 20:54, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

• Well, it's not so terrible, but she certainly deserves better. Have you ever read Guillaume de Dole? It's easily available in English, in a very capable new edition, and it's a joy to read. Drmies (talk) 23:39, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

I thought Pizan's page showed a bit of POV, but I haven't looked at it recently. Um .. wonder why we have Roman de la Rose this too? I have read sections of it but not recently; thanks for the heads up on the new edition. Truthkeeper (talk) 23:56, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Help please

User talk:Enzuli got rather upset when I reverted (and warned V1) her unsourced addition of "lesbian" to Sally Ride (a heroine of mine btw) my talk her talk. She is accusing many of bigotry. I presume that she is a lesbian herself. I don't want to see her getting frustrated and quitting. I would say something to her, but I am afraid I would make it worse. If there is anything I can do, let me know here. Thanks for your help! Jim1138 (talk) 01:23, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

• Well, if I may, start by not presuming anything about anyone's sexuality! Drmies (talk) 01:39, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
• OK, sorry, but that note you left them, while well-intended, was unwarranted. It was verified in the article, so it could be in the lead. The other editor is not entirely in the right either: presuming that you are bigoted is silly and adversarial, and she did so with another editor later on. If I were you I'd probably leave them a note on their talk page--and I will leave one as well. Now what's left is to wait for a few days until the storm of editors has passed and clean up the article. Drmies (talk) 01:51, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Well, Jim, the party goes on, in the article and on the talk page. This will be so much easier to deal with in a couple of days. Drmies (talk) 02:59, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
    • Thanks for cleaning up my mess again. I'll leave an apology shortly. I wish I had half the brains that you have! Thanks again for all of your help. Jim1138 (talk) 03:04, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
      • No, not at all. But I'm going to show this to my wife anyway, and I appreciate your willingness to face the music. Drmies (talk) 03:07, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
        • Done. Hope it is sufficient. I always laugh three times when told a joke. The first time when I am told the joke, a second time when it is explained to me, and the third time when I get it... Thanks again for your help. Cheers Jim1138 (talk) 04:01, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Template:Fanpov

Someone is continuously blanking Template:Fanpov (see here). I have already reverted thrice (within one hour). I'll not revert again. But, it is a highly used template. Any suggestion? --Tito Dutta ✉ 20:34, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

• Well, fortunately they quit. A good solution in a case like this is hard to come by--good-faith destruction. Thanks for staying on it. Drmies (talk) 22:43, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
• Tito, if you want to do a little digging, go through Elizabeth Turk and see how many editors you can find who edit only that article--maybe an SPI would be an interesting exercise. Drmies (talk) 23:31, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Isanapura

Hello fellow Dr. Can you proof the translation on this?♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:22, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

• Will do, Dr. Drmies (talk) 18:20, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Also, I want us to do a joint DYK on Henrik Vibskov featuring "'The big wet shiny boobies collection" on the front page of wikipedia... ♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:02, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

• Oooh, saucy! Drmies (talk) 21:55, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

This also needs translation! ♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:00, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

• Boobies? Drmies (talk) 20:41, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
  • OK, the DYK template is up, at Template:Did you know nominations/Henrik Vibskov; I haven't reviewed anything yet. This guy is crazy notable, and also one of the hottest designers in the world! Now, for the boobies (which all the stalkers are dying to know about, of course): here they are. Drmies (talk) 21:38, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

How rude! LOL. I look forward to seeing it on the front page!♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:39, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

• Yeah, I found a ton of stuff--I haven't even dug through the newspaper archives. Hey, check the history of Simo (society): a real gem I found this morning that we need to get on the front page as well. It's totally cool and esoteric, and I have a picture. Oh, I'm going to email Vibskov and see if he won't give us a photograph. Drmies (talk) 21:49, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Question about, and probably help with, DYK?

Hey, Drmies and/or associated talk page stalkers...

While I've been loitering in the hallways here for years, I finally dived into the article creation process. [Note the mixed metaphor -- can you tell I'm a physicist?] I moved United States Invitational Young Physicists Tournament from my sandbox to article space this morning.

I was considering attempting a DYK nomination, with the hook "Did you know ...that in 2008, an Australian girls’ school defeated an American boys’ school for the United States Invitational Young Physicists Tournament championship?" Aside from the fact that I've not done this before, and would thus welcome feedback, I'm specifically wondering about the legitimacy of the hook. The article doesn't say those very words, nor do I think it should; however, the fact that Brisbane Girls Grammar School and Woodberry Forest School competed in the final is stated and cited inline to The Physics Teacher, a peer-reviewed journal.

Please let me know what you experienced folks think. Other possible hooks, suggestions for improving the article, anything would be appreciated. I understand that it is the custom in these parts to leave offerings of fake beer -- I will attempt to do so forthwith.

Thanks! Moishe Rosenbaum (talk) 18:13, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

• Well, I'll need to look more closely than I can right now, but that hook sounds juicy enough! I'll get back to you, and congratulations on starting to write things: it's fun. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 18:19, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
• Hey Moishe, I think you need to do a couple of things. Those references from The Physics Teacher, they need to be redone with proper bibliographic information. Even science people should cite title, author, page numbers, etc. Use the proper template from Wikipedia:Citation templates ("cite journal"). The link doesn't work for me, and that's a shame or I would have done it for you. Now, there is another issue, and that's notability. The references right now (not counting the Physics Teacher articles, which I can't read and thus can't judge, whether it discusses things in depth or just announces the results) are from organizations related to the subject; see WP:N. I'd like to hear from others who visit this page what they think, and if they have anything to add. And go see if you have anything you can add to prove its encyclopedic relevance. Drmies (talk) 02:08, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Okay, thank you, Drmies, this helps. I'll get on the citation templates. I have my own subscription to TPT archives, so I tend to use that first. I *usually* have access to Lexis Nexis, but that's down for a while due to an internet switchover. I know there are newspaper sources on these various tournaments; I was interviewed for one of them. I'll see if I can find some without my pet paywall. As for the TPT articles, many of them are one-page results summaries with a brief scription of the tournament. One is a four page or so standalone article that goes into depth about the pedagogy involves, with some Bobawful number of footnotes. Thanks for your comments. I'll work on this after a dog walk. Moishe Rosenbaum (talk) 10:14, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

In truth, I worked on this before the dog walk. Though it was initially a pain in the arse, I'm glad you didn't do the citation formatting for me -- now I [think I] know how those templates work. I added several freely available citations from the Knoxville newspaper; and I added a brief section on the teacher training purpose based on that in-depth TPT article. I also found third-party sourcing for some of the facts I had cited to usaypt.org.

I found all kinds of discussion about the tournament sourced to the websites of the participating schools and host institutions (i.e. Oak Ridge National Laboratory, Rye Country Day School). Some of that recapitulates information available from The Physics Teacher and the Knoxville paper that I found. Some is a bit different. I didn't add any of it, though, because it sounds like your concern was more like "does anyone besides the participants themselves care about this?" Let me know what you think, and I'll continue to look for more news coverage. (I remember that the Culpeper (VA) Star Exponent published a long piece about the 2009 tournament, but I haven't found it yet.)

Thanks, Drmies and stalkers -- I know people tend to bug youall a lot about content, but I did so because I know I could get legit, professional feedback. I really appreciate the help. Now the poor dog needs some attention.Moishe Rosenbaum (talk) 11:51, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Woof! You're welcome. Yes, the stalkers are a valuable asset--I noticed that Mandarax had gotten busy (thanks!) and maybe others will pitch in as well. I told Mrs. Drmies about your proposed hook: she didn't think it was all that special, but she's from a different generation. When I studied physics, in the late 1980s, the incoming class usually had only one or two girls compared to 40 or so guys--I hope things have changed. Drmies (talk) 16:13, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

That is looking great. A DYK hint: every paragraph is supposed to end with a citation, so a bit of tweaking (maybe some shuffling) would remove a possible objection. Drmies (talk) 16:19, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

All right! I'll get busy on the DYKnowmination tonight. Thanks to you and to Mandarax; I had seen his contributions. Still few women in physics & engineering, but more than in the 1980s, and far more women in physics than men who teach primary school. Interestingly, from what I have read and observed, girls' schools produce disproportionate numbers of women in physical science, while boys' schools produce disproportionate numbers of English, music, and elementary education majors. Glad to hear you studied physics. I married an English major -- does that count? Moishe Rosenbaum (talk) 17:04, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

I created the nomination this morning. Initially I spelled the article's title wrong, so there's a useless, unlinked DYK nomination template as well as an active one. Grrr. But other than that, I think I followed the instructions okay. Thanks for the help on this -- I'll let you know how it pans out.Moishe Rosenbaum (talk) 12:54, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

• Looks great. Mandarax tagged the misspelled one and I deleted it. I made a few more tweaks to the article--well done, Mr. Science Teacher. Now ask your wife if you can end a sentence with a preposition. If she says "NO, you may not!" then she's probably Mrs. Drmies's long-lost twin sister. Drmies (talk) 20:37, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Requests for closure

Thank you for your closes of discussions I listed at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Requests for closure! I've added several more from Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Religion and philosophy and Template:Centralized discussion if you're interested. Cunard (talk) 00:10, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

• I was going to leave you a shitty note about posting them in the first place! I'll get on it, Cunard, if I have some time tonight. Thanks for keeping us straight. Drmies (talk)

• I post these close requests because all too often users host an RfC and forget about it after 30 days, resulting in nothing happening. That's a terrible waste of time. But to tell you the truth, the other reason is that I enjoy making admins toil for the big bucks they get paid after passing RfA. ;) Cunard (talk) 00:19, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

The one about German Jews, I don't know. Doesn't sound like a lot of fun to close. Kind of a sensitive topic. Beeblebrox (talk) 00:31, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, Beeblebrox, too, for your RfC closures. I agree with your comment about the German Jews RfC; I certainly do not envy the closer of Talk:Germans#RfC: Should German Jewish people assimilated into German culture, be considered part of the German ethnicity? Cunard (talk) 00:39, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

That's not very subtle, Cunard. You need to work on those skills. I may not be able to tackle anything tonight; this is not my best evening. Drmies (talk) 02:10, 26 July 2012 (UTC)