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You deleted an article I was writing about Pádraig Ó Caoimh and put a link to an article about a different man. They are two different people with the same name. How do I get the text back? I was just about to add the references. Thank you.Dunmanus (talk) 18:13, 6 July 2014 (UTC)Dunmanus (copied from my talkpage 220 of ^Borg 18:34, 6 July 2014 (UTC))

I haven't deleted it, just redirected it. All the text of the Ó Caoimh page is still available in that page's page history. (I see you've worked that out.)

Are you certain they are different people? It wasn't just the name I was going off, though its really late here and I may have misread something. :-\ --220 of ^Borg 18:34, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

I am, the guy who's 20 years older was born in Cork and moved to Dublin, he fought in the Rising and was a politician for the 'Tan War'.

The younger man was born in Roscommon but moved to Cork, he fought in the 'Tan War' and was imprisoned whilst the first fella was winning a seat in the 1921 election. I think the name has mixed up a lot of people though because with a stadium named after him (the younger guy) he should have had a page before. Thanks, Dunmanus.

Quite a popular name. We also have Padraig O'Keeffe (Irish: Pádraig Ó Caoimh) (1887 – 1963) a musician.

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Hey. And thanks for your contributions to the Collins Barracks article. As you may have noted from the page history and edit summaries, I made an attempt to improve some of your additions, but - ultimately - was forced to revert to the older version.

Firstly, on the Kent additions, most of this appears to have been copied and pasted from the Kent article, with little additional context added (the paragraph even opened with the word "Kent", with no explanation as to who this was). So that I can assist in understanding whether or how to include it in the Barracks article, can you help me understand why you think it's relevant/important to the Barracks subject? Is it to explain the naming of the married quarters? Or some other connection? Whatever the intent, I'm sure we can find a way of covering it in a more structured way.

Secondly, on the War of Independence executions, can you confirm the source for the O'Brien and Casey executions? Because the source provided doesn't appear to connect them to the Barracks at all. If you can fill in the blanks here, and confirm a VER/RS source, I'm sure there's a solution also.

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Thanks and happy editing. (If you can help me with the above gaps, I'll be happy to help find a way to include them in the article in a structured way). Guliolopez (talk) 20:52, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Hey Guliolopez, thanks for the comments. The references do give the time, dates, places etc of the two executions, the details are in the books pages that are scanned and copied as photographs (i.e. they can't be found with crtl+F). I just tried to improve the page because it was very bare, the headings and information are there to guide future edits (by me and others) but if you want to get rid of them then go ahead. Thanks Dunmanus.

Could you put it back a minute and I'll check the link, it should be - http://irishvolunteers.org/2011/05/cork-county-gaol-ira-volunteers-executed-memorial/

Casey, for example, is the 30th picture down. There's also evidence about him in the 9th and 10th pictures (in Irish).

Hi. Thanks for clarifying that the source/cite content was "within" the images on that page - rather than the text. On that basis I've reworked/readded some of the content proposed. However I've noted and tagged to suggest that, rather than relying on photographs of the memorial and books, it might be better to use the original book from which the images are extracted (or any other work that might be a better fit with WP:VER and WP:RS). On Casey in particular I'm not certain (from the books I've read) as to whether, having been subject to (rushed) court-martial at the barracks, he was actually executed in the barracks proper, or on the other side of the city at the gaol (UCC). Really that should be confirmed with verifiable (printed) cite. Guliolopez (talk) 00:08, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Hey Guliolopez, I took your advice and added more references (including links to books and contemporary newspapers). It looks better now, thanks, Dunmanus.

Cool - thanks for that. I've tweaked slightly, but otherwise looks OK. I still think there's a little too much weight in the context of the rest of the article, but I guess that's an impetus to expand the rest of the content. I may re-read Dan Harvey's book again with that in mind. (FYI, you may want to look at the suggestions above from another editor about signing talkpage posts, and using indenting - really helps in these types of discussions. Also, now that you have an account, you may want be careful about logging-in when editing.) All the best. Guliolopez (talk) 22:30, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

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Hello Jcpag2012, hope you're well. I can see how there might have been an issue with this page when it was a compilation of information from other pages (not thatthere's anything wrong with that either) but now it has been fleshed out and contained much history that's new to wikipedia and not known to a wide audience. I take it that what the problem was, and that it wasn't that the page was about a family (Gambino crime family,Kennedy family)? Is it okay to remove the header thing now? (I'm still learning the etiquette), Thanks, D.

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surely I can take the information from there, rewrite it and use it again? Is that not how references/citations work? Dunmanus (talk) 20:45, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Taking info and rewriting is fine, of course; that's most of what we do here. But the problem was that chunks of the edit in question were copied and pasted outright. AntiDionysius (talk) 21:04, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

thanks, I've corrected that now Dunmanus (talk) 21:09, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

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