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Facto Post – Issue 20 – 31 January 2019

Facto Post – Issue 20 – 31 January 2019
 

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Everything flows (and certainly data does)

Recently Jimmy Wales has made the point that computer home assistants take much of their data from Wikipedia, one way or another. So as well as getting Spotify to play Frosty the Snowman for you, they may be able to answer the question "is the Pope Catholic?" Possibly by asking for disambiguation (Coptic?).

Amazon Echo device using the Amazon Alexa service in voice search showdown with the Google rival on an Android phone

Headlines about data breaches are now familiar, but the unannounced circulation of information raises other issues. One of those is Gresham's law stated as "bad data drives out good". Wikipedia and now Wikidata have been criticised on related grounds: what if their content, unattributed, is taken to have a higher standing than Wikimedians themselves would grant it? See Wikiquote on a misattribution to Bismarck for the usual quip about "law and sausages", and why one shouldn't watch them in the making.

Wikipedia has now turned 18, so should act like as adult, as well as being treated like one. The Web itself turns 30 some time between March and November this year, per Tim Berners-Lee. If the Knowledge Graph by Google exemplifies Heraclitean Web technology gaining authority, contra GIGO, Wikimedians still have a role in its critique. But not just with the teenage skill of detecting phoniness.

There is more to beating Gresham than exposing the factoid and urban myth, where WP:V does do a great job. Placeholders must be detected, and working with Wikidata is a good way to understand how having one statement as data can blind us to replacing it by a more accurate one. An example that is important to open access is that, firstly, the term itself needs considerable unpacking, because just being able to read material online is a poor relation of "open"; and secondly, trying to get Creative Commons license information into Wikidata shows up issues with classes of license (such as CC-BY) standing for the actual license in major repositories. Detailed investigation shows that "everything flows" exacerbates the issue. But Wikidata can solve it.

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Nomination of Sabina Fluxà for deletion

 

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Sabina Fluxà is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sabina Fluxà until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Matthew hk (talk) 15:09, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: January 2019

 




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A barnstar for you!

  The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
Thank you for a magnificent donation of deltiological delights! Philafrenzy (talk) 22:02, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
You are too kind, and still a net donor at the monthly collectibles exchange. Edwardx (talk) 22:59, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
P.S. An inspection of the book table on my return journey revealed most gone already. The Art of Conversation was still there, surprisingly since it was an almost new hardback, but perhaps thats because it's not done to talk to strangers on the tube. Philafrenzy (talk) 23:52, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

18:45, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Request for your advice

Hi Edwardx, I have seen on your user page that you publish a lot of articles of American businesspeople, so I figured maybe you can give me advice on how to fix my problem. I am trying to publish an article of an American CEO here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Rice_Powell. However, Wikipedians have repeatedly declined the article for missing reliable sources and notability. As you can see, every single fact is verified by a reliable source in the references and I do not see insufficient notability speaking of a CEO who runs a world leading firm that has 114,000 employees in around 50 countries worldwide. Perhaps you can help me, since I am feeling a little stuck here. Your opinion on this would be much appreciated, thank you. --Stefanie at FMC CorpCom (talk) 15:38, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Ref Fill tool

Careful with that tool; occasionally domain squatters will grab abandoned domains and redirect them to the most interesting of places. Kuru (talk) 03:21, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

Unexplained content removal?

Hi. You asked why content was removed in this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soren_Kaplan. Seemed redundant since the content and citation was exactly the same as in the section below it. Verbatim002 (talk) 08:05, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

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23:13, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

Amit Munjal

Request: Hello, edward. you recently had made a request for deleting the Amit Munjal Page. I am impressed by your glorious history with wikipedia and will appreciate if you could take a second look at it. I am not connected to him but do read about him and watch his interviews in media. i think people like him definitely need to be covered on wikipedia as many readers are interested in knowing about them. Nevada2020 (talk) 08:35, 19 February 2019 (UTC)Nevada2020

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21:16, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Books & Bytes, Issue 32

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27 Feb

Hi, Can you please explain why did you undo my last edit on this article? HBM Iqbal — Preceding unsigned comment added by Papyrus cyrus (talkcontribs) 01:33, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

You need to stop removing properly cited content. And stop adding uncited or hagiographic content. If you are not happy with the article, please raise your concerns on that article's talkpage, not here! Edwardx (talk) 01:58, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Facto Post – Issue 21 – 28 February 2019

Facto Post – Issue 21 – 28 February 2019
 

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What is a systematic review?

Systematic reviews are basic building blocks of evidence-based medicine, surveys of existing literature devoted typically to a definite question that aim to bring out scientific conclusions. They are principled in a way Wikipedians can appreciate, taking a critical view of their sources.

 
PRISMA flow diagram for a systematic review

Ben Goldacre in 2014 wrote (link below) "[...] : the "information architecture" of evidence based medicine (if you can tolerate such a phrase) is a chaotic, ad hoc, poorly connected ecosystem of legacy projects. In some respects the whole show is still run on paper, like it's the 19th century." Is there a Wikidatan in the house? Wouldn't some machine-readable content that is structured data help?

File:Schittny, Facing East, 2011, Legacy Projects.jpg
2011 photograph by Bernard Schittny of the "Legacy Projects" group

Most likely it would, but the arcana of systematic reviews and how they add value would still need formal handling. The PRISMA standard dates from 2009, with an update started in 2018. The concerns there include the corpus of papers used: how selected and filtered? Now that Wikidata has a 20.9 million item bibliography, one can at least pose questions. Each systematic review is a tagging opportunity for a bibliography. Could that tagging be reproduced by a query, in principle? Can it even be second-guessed by a query (i.e. simulated by a protocol which translates into SPARQL)? Homing in on the arcana, do the inclusion and filtering criteria translate into metadata? At some level they must, but are these metadata explicitly expressed in the articles themselves? The answer to that is surely "no" at this point, but can TDM find them? Again "no", right now. Automatic identification doesn't just happen.

Actually these questions lack originality. It should be noted though that WP:MEDRS, the reliable sources guideline used here for health information, hinges on the assumption that the usefully systematic reviews of biomedical literature can be recognised. Its nutshell summary, normally the part of a guideline with the highest density of common sense, allows literature reviews in general validity, but WP:MEDASSESS qualifies that indication heavily. Process wonkery about systematic reviews definitely has merit.

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Remo Ruffini

Hi Edward, since you've created the article about Remo Ruffini, would you give me an opinion about the updates I recently proposed in the talk page (here)? --Cristiana Napoleone (talk) 11:43, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Grange Hotels

 

The article Grange Hotels has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Fails WP:GNG and WP:NCORP, fail to find any reliable independent sources with significant coverage of the hotel chain (rather than the owner).

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Proposed deletion of Raj Matharu

 

The article Raj Matharu has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Fails WP:GNG and WP:BASIC. No significant coverage in any reliable independent secondary sources - only trivial coverage about his brothers as a whole.

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This Month in GLAM: February 2019

 




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Hello Edwardx,

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  • Two elements of CSD G6 have been split into their own criteria: R4 for redirects in the "File:" namespace with the same name as a file or redirect at Wikimedia Commons (Discussion), and G14 for disambiguation pages which disambiguate zero pages, or have "(disambiguation)" in the title but disambiguate a single page (Discussion).
  • {{db-blankdraft}} was merged into G13 (Discussion)
  • A discussion recently closed with no consensus on whether to create a subject-specific notability guideline for theatrical plays.
  • There is an ongoing discussion on a proposal to create subject-specific notability guidelines for chemicals and organism taxa.
Reminders
  • NPR is not a binary keep / delete process. In many cases a redirect may be appropriate. The deletion policy and its associated guideline clearly emphasise that not all unsuitable articles must be deleted. Redirects are not contentious. See a classic example of the templates to use. More templates are listed at the R template index. Reviewers who are not aware, do please take this into consideration before PROD, CSD, and especially AfD because not even all admins are aware of such policies, and many NAC do not have a full knowledge of them.
NPP Tools Report
  • Superlinks – allows you to check an article's history, logs, talk page, NPP flowchart (on unpatrolled pages) and more without navigating away from the article itself.
  • copyvio-check – automatically checks the copyvio percentage of new pages in the background and displays this info with a link to the report in the 'info' panel of the Page curation toolbar.
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DYK for Karen (orangutan)

On 18 March 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Karen (orangutan), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that in 1994, Karen became the first orangutan to have open heart surgery? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Karen (orangutan). You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Karen (orangutan)), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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19:43, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of By The Horns Brewing Co. for deletion

 

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article By The Horns Brewing Co. is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/By The Horns Brewing Co. until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. MB 20:52, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

18:04, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

"strong and stable"

 
No Deal is better than a bad deal

I've decided this might be notable after all, and have expanded it out of a redirect. Feel free to chip in. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:33, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. To the efforts of you and Philafrenzy, it is looking much better. Can't have anyone calling it "weak and wobbly" can we? Edwardx (talk) 15:38, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
It's rock solid, no need for any indicative votes. Philafrenzy (talk) 19:19, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
Hear, hear. Edwardx (talk) 19:25, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
P.S. There would certainly be enough sources to develop Brexit means Brexit from a redirect on the same basis. Philafrenzy (talk) 20:42, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
I can't believe somebody would say that no DYK is better than a bad DYK though. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:45, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
TRM? Those two hooks are both fine, yet there might be something stronger we could think up. Edwardx (talk) 13:38, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

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Facto Post – Issue 22 – 28 March 2019

Facto Post – Issue 22 – 28 March 2019
 

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When in the cloud, do as the APIs do

Half a century ago, it was the era of the mainframe computer, with its air-conditioned room, twitching tape-drives, and appearance in the title of a spy novel Billion-Dollar Brain then made into a Hollywood film. Now we have the cloud, with server farms and the client–server model as quotidian: this text is being typed on a Chromebook.

File:Cloud-API-Logo.svg
Logo of Cloud API on Google Cloud Platform

The term Applications Programming Interface or API is 50 years old, and refers to a type of software library as well as the interface to its use. While a compiler is what you need to get high-level code executed by a mainframe, an API out in the cloud somewhere offers a chance to perform operations on a remote server. For example, the multifarious bots active on Wikipedia have owners who exploit the MediaWiki API.

APIs (called RESTful) that allow for the GET HTTP request are fundamental for what could colloquially be called "moving data around the Web"; from which Wikidata benefits 24/7. So the fact that the Wikidata SPARQL endpoint at query.wikidata.org has a RESTful API means that, in lay terms, Wikidata content can be GOT from it. The programming involved, besides the SPARQL language, could be in Python, younger by a few months than the Web.

Magic words, such as occur in fantasy stories, are wishful (rather than RESTful) solutions to gaining access. You may need to be a linguist to enter Ali Baba's cave or the western door of Moria (French in the case of "Open Sesame", in fact, and Sindarin being the respective languages). Talking to an API requires a bigger toolkit, which first means you have to recognise the tools in terms of what they can do. On the way to the wikt:impactful or polymathic modern handling of facts, one must perhaps take only tactful notice of tech's endemic problem with documentation, and absorb the insightful point that the code in APIs does articulate the customary procedures now in place on the cloud for getting information. As Owl explained to Winnie-the-Pooh, it tells you The Thing to Do.

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Proposed deletion of Victor Vescovo

 

The article Victor Vescovo has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Does not meet WP:GNG

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