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Online video games

Hello, we are working on a student project in which we have to contribute to a wikipedia page. We thought we could feed the online video games page. Apparently you do not agree with our content. Is there a way we could improve what we did so it gets accepted ? Thank you for your answer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AntoineHabis TPT (talk • contribs) 09:46, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

@AntoineHabis TPT: Use the article's talk page to discuss changes to the article. Multiple editors reverted you with stated reasons why, and you continued to disruptively restore your edit. Wikipedia has many guidelines and policies in place for content. No original research and the requirement to source content must be followed. For some reason, no one ever tells students doing classes on Wikipedia. -- ferret (talk) 12:05, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

Bannerlord Vandalism

Hello! Can you please lock the Mount & Blade II: Bannerlord page indefinitely? ShimonChai (talk) 13:27, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

@ShimonChai: Looking at the log, it's been protected several times but usually for very short durations. Indef usually requires some clear ongoing disruption after longer and longer periods of protection. I went with a year, let's see if it actually continues after that. -- ferret (talk) 13:45, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

I am just glad that there is some action being taken that might make a change to the absurd amount of vandalism on the page. Thanks! ShimonChai (talk) 13:46, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

hey about beta dates

Hey sorry to bother But where would i input the beta date then? it has to be noted.. that 2 years of beta really ruined our Cal-league tournaments and must be pointed out.. same has wow 40h AV and week long maintnance.. people seem to have forgotten.. but i remember all that has if it was yesterday, when we realised we had wasted 8 months of practice to forfeit due to teammates not being able to connect.. steam nearly prekilled e-sports.. it sure did kill cal-league i actually wish it did lol i despise esports with a passion so it must be note.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Minoumimi (talk • contribs) 18:17, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

The article already covers the beta release and when it happened, with appropriate sourcing. None of the rest of what you've mentioned about CAL-league, Esports, etc belongs in the article. -- ferret (talk) 18:20, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Major source for Rogue Squadron

		The Guidance Barnstar
		I'm just now diving into your suggestion to look at the Retro Gamer Magazine issue with the retrospective on the Rogue Squadron series and it is a treasure trove of development info not already included in the Star Wars: Rogue Squadron Featured Article. I'm going to try to neatly incorporate the info into the current article ASAP. Thanks! --TorsodogTalk 01:55, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

@Torsodog: Glad it helped. I don't even remember leaving that there and I can't imagine how I even came across it! -- ferret (talk) 01:59, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Problematic user

Hey Ferret, I saw the message you left on ClassicOnAStick's talk page after my most recent final warning. They are still up to their unsourced edits. I have left multipe talk page notices for the same behavior. Templated and my own words. I just do not know if they will WP:ENGAGE, read the links we provide them, or they will just go on doing their thing forever. I wanted to report to AIV, but since the edit was nearly 5 hours old at this point, the report would have gone stale. That has actually happened twice with this user (AIV reports going stale), so there are at least two more disruptive edits after final warnings that they did to merit the AIV reportings. I skimmed through to find some recent questionable edits such as adding unsourced controversial BLP content. A lot of their edits would appear random and unsourced since they never use edit summaries. Sorry for bothering you with this, I have been planning on taking this to ANI, but they can get annoyed by wrestling articles lol. That's my next step though if we can't help. StaticVapor message me! 07:51, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

@STATicVapor: I took it to ANI for you. Laid it out there, but unfortunately not seeing much choice here, since he refuses to communicate. -- ferret (talk) 11:56, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for taking the time to type up that big post. I appreciate you my good admin. StaticVapor message me! 16:52, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

Another problematic user

Hello F. The user you blocked left unblock request. If they continue in that manner talk page access might need removing. Just a suggestion and if you feel otherwise that is fine. Best regards. MarnetteD|Talk 16:36, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

@MarnetteD: Already reverted and TPA revoked. -- ferret (talk) 16:37, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Good deal F. You are faster with the mop and pail than I am with the keyboard :-) Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 16:38, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Bob2448

You have been more lenient than I would have been. You beat me to the block button by seconds, and I was going to increased the block length to a month. What do you think? The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 16:39, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

@JamesBWatson: I think this is going to be a NOTHERE in the end either way, so if you want to increase it, go for it. TPA is already gone, and if he heads to UTRS I'm sure it'll be revoked too. I've also blocked their IPv6 range for 2 weeks, so if you increase, check 2606:6000:4440:100:0:0:0:0/64 too. The article they're targeting is semiprotected at the moment. -- ferret (talk) 16:43, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Actually, before I saw your answer above I had thought a bit more and decided that there's no point in increasing the block length. Either he will get the message now or he won't, and a month won't be likely to make him wake up and start taking note if a coupe of weeks don't. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 16:50, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Your block of Dz5b604

I'm not going to waste much time on behalf of an editor with questionable views. This editor, though, has not, at any point, been warned about MOS:GENDERID. Their edits have been reverted as vandalism, despite being made in good faith; and the warnings they received were about vandalism and NPOV. This is unfortunately rather typical bitey behavior; which is why I was bothering to leave them a specific warning, which I was typing out and saving as you blocked them. Personally, I'd be much happier if they were given a chance to edit after being told exactly what they had done wrong, rather than just slapped with templated warning; but this is as much effort as I'm going to expend over it. Vanamonde (Talk) 20:32, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

@Vanamonde93: Fair enough, and I'll defer to you on any further action (or reversal) here. I've restored the clearer warning for their (hopefully constructive?) return. 20:35, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Okay, thank you. I have modified the warning. I'm not going to unblock them, because their editing was problematic; but I do get quite frustrated with all the people making reports at AIV that do not distinguish between vandals (who deserve no consideration) and disruptive editors acting in good faith (who at the very least deserve a warning specific to their behavior). Vanamonde (Talk) 20:47, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

@Vanamonde93: Trust me I do share that frustration at AIV, and see how this particular case could have been given a little more chance. -- ferret (talk) 20:50, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

AIV

Thank you for stepping in. does you comment include non-Admin assessments ? - FlightTime (open channel) 20:03, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

@FlightTime: There's nothing directly stated in the AIV rules about commenting from others, but it's meant to be a notice board for admins to action, not discussions, so my take is let the admins sort it, we don't need running commentary from all who visit. :) Don't take it as a statement of some hard accepted rule and just a general "not really the place for this" -- ferret (talk) 20:06, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

(@Rockstone35: just so you know also) Thank you Ferret. - FlightTime (open channel) 20:11, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

(@FlightTime: -- Unless I misinterpret what User:Ferret is saying, we can comment on posts where it's relevant to the noticeboard, there's not a rule either way. Generally though it's best not to do discussions or to comment on every single addition, though. Is this accurate? I admit that I shouldn't have been so harsh when I made that comment, and I'm sorry User: FlightTime. Rockstonetalk to me! 20:14, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

@FlightTime and Rockstone35: My main point is that regardless of comments from others, the admin still has to directly evaluate the case to take action. When you can add more information that might help decide an edge case, sure, fine, but leave declining the report to the admins, we will definitely review either way. AIV often has back logs and a running discussion between participants can lead to edit conflicts as well as more difficulty in managing the reports. -- ferret (talk) 20:17, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

I really did not mean to imply that I was declining the report! I know that's not my job. Sorry if that's how it came across @FlightTime:. Rockstonetalk to me! 20:18, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band block evader?...

Another Maricopa Community College IP has weighed in with a duplicate edit of -> "List of music considered the worst" on the Sgt Pepper article... Shearonink (talk) 20:16, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

@Shearonink: Handled. Will explore range block as necessary. -- ferret (talk) 21:00, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you!

Stop beating me to blocking vandals at AIV! GABgab 19:13, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

@GeneralizationsAreBad: That was quite the monster of a backlog, good friend, appreciate your efforts as well. -- ferret (talk) 19:15, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Wow, I'm a "good friend" now?! That /64 was especially absurd. GAB^gab 19:17, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

10-4 good buddy. :P -- ferret (talk) 19:18, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

So what's with the sneaky reverting, that's not cool.

Here is another link[1] to satisfy the fact the EA exec soderlund left days prior to announcements that battlefield was tanking.

The topic being "Pre-release", this is all things happening prior to the release. A 20 year EA exec and the name behind Battlefiel since #2 left months before release. It's related and not "own research" in the slightest.

If you want to revert peoples valid additions you use the undo function so the user can be notified. Dont be a sneak. Dartman1313 (talk) 02:08, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

@Dartman1313: Nothing sneaky about it? It's a normal revert, with your user name linked (and therefore pinged) alongside the reason given.. 100% standard. As for the content, we all know Soderlund left EA. What is not proven is that it had anything to do with Battlefield. Without a source that explicitly proves that, we don't include it. -- ferret (talk) 02:15, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

@Dartman1313: Nothing changed with the sources you added. We already know Soderlund left, and I again repeat: Nothing conclusive has ever explicitly tied it to Battlefield V controversy or pre-order sales. Make your case on the article's talk page if you believe you have sources that prove a connection. -- ferret (talk) 02:53, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

@Ferret: "Whether there are skeletons waiting to come marching out of the closet remains unknown, but what is known is that Söderlund is jumping ship." A month prior to his newest project he has worked on for the past few years releasing abysmally? A major contributor to the series left 2 months prior to its release, its battlefield news, every article is even using battlefield v photos while talking of soderlund, because of his importance to the project.

I never said he left because of the upcoming news, but that the two coincided by 2 days. I'm not starting a edit war over this, but if a films main star or director left the project prior to release, it'd be in the wiki. Dartman1313 (talk) 03:06, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) That's literally the definition of original synthesis. You're taking two separate things and claiming that they're related. You can't do that — only a reliable source can. So if you have a reliable source which makes the connection (and OneAngryGamer is not a reliable source) then it can be added. If not, you can't. End of story. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 03:37, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

@NorthBySouthBaranof: so I should just put his departure as a separate 1 sentence paragraph in prerelease? Only reason I put it in that paragraph is because pre-release is (at this moment) written chronologically and they were 2 days apart. I'm not saying they're related, tho I quoted a statement just to show ferret they did speculate in the source. I put 2 events that happened close together in the same paragraph. Do I need to cite soderlunds 2 decade connection to battlefield to state his departure prior to release? Again, if a film director or producer or actor in a film left the project that late in the development, it would be in the wiki. I guess I've gotten you guys all twisted on that, sorry. Tell me how to add him his departure into the wiki and not have 2 single sentence paragraphs next to each other and I'll redo the edit. Dartman1313 (talk) 03:57, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

Söderlunds wiki page even makes the timeline connection and has survived many revisions. It's not implying he caused it or due to sales. Just that they were close together. Dartman1313 (talk) 04:18, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

I don't think there's enough eyes on his own article. Neither statement was even sourced. I've sourced it and trimmed the timing part. I understand where you are coming from, but Soderlund isn't directly credited on Battlefield V, so it's hard to treat him as your examples about a director or actor. As a C-level exec in the company, it would be akin to us denoting in every Nintendo game released this year that Reggie had retired. -- ferret (talk) 13:35, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

Ernest Del/MachineGames

I need help expanding these two articles. I'm not much of a writer, I mainly look for sources, but I do need your help with these.Timur9008 (talk) 10:48, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

@Timur9008: I don't do much direct writing beyond updates these days, mostly a gnome and patroller these. @Lordtobi: is kinda the VG company pro though. -- ferret (talk) 11:52, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

Thanks! I will ask Lordtibi then.Timur9008 (talk) 15:51, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

...

Nothing more to say here, if you don't like the current article content, use the article's talk page or bring it up at WT:VG
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Read WP:TPA, WP:WBA and MOS:VG. Just because the exact sentence is used as an example doesn't mean it should be in every other video game article. Why did you not revert that if it was wrong all the time despite editing the page more than once. The sentences' meanings are the same, the only thing that changes is the word order, which is better because it is not repetitive. Sebastian James (talk) 18:57, 29 April 2019 (UTC) It's pretty standard text, and Neverrainy is one of the most prolific editors in updating basic reception sections to match normal standards and MOS. There's literally no issue with his edit, and I'm a little amazed you keep making these reverts with such reasonings. I'm well aware of whats contained in MOS:VG, I helped write it. Asking me why I didn't bother to change it when reverting an IP's bad edit is a silly argument. I'm not required to take care of every little issue when resolving a different one. -- ferret (talk) 19:04, 29 April 2019 (UTC) MOS: VG is for "the sentence used as an example". If you are gonna do "normal standards" with insisting that summaries must be written in an exact format with no deviation from that format then you are misinterpreting. I'm a little amazed that you are trying to revert my edits since you suddenly appeared when I was messaging with Wikibenboy94. Sebastian James (talk) 19:18, 29 April 2019 (UTC) Yeah, I mean, I definitely never edit video games or recent releases or watchlist them. To be clear, you reverted Neverrainy first. You were then reverted by another editor, reverted it again (You should have stopped here per WP:BRD), and then I reverted you. If you don't like that multiple editors have reverted some of your edits on this article in regards to reception, you're free to discuss it at the article's talk page to reach a consensus, or if you feel its a broader issue, bring it up at WT:VG. -- ferret (talk) 19:20, 29 April 2019 (UTC) Sebastian James, I read the guidelines you linked and the wording doesn't violates any of them, especially MOS:VG. There's no harm in using the standard wording in a article, we use standard wording in the first paragraph in the lead, so why we can't use the standard wording in reception? It's seems to me that you are taking ownership of the article by reverting users who disagree with your preferred wording. If more than one user revert your edit, please follow WP:BRD and don't start a edit war. TheDeviantPro (talk) 01:14, 30 April 2019 (UTC) TheDeviantPro, your edit and the other editor's were reverted because both of you didn't give a sufficient edit summary. The other editor wrote nothing, while you wrote "And what's wrong with using the standard formatting?". You clearly have not read my messages above. I explained why I used MOS:VG. You should've been "familiar with the main Manual of Style, writing about fiction sub-guideline, and the general guide to writing better articles." Sebastian James (talk) 15:22, 30 April 2019 (UTC) Reverting an otherwise fine edit on the basis of "insufficient edit summary" is disruptive. It's not like it was unexplained blanking or anything. Your revert reason about "standard formatting much?" is equally silly and insufficient, esp since it's basically wrong. You probably need to drop the stick here and move on. If you don't want to, the talk page is that way or this way. (Your should maybe heed the message at the top of your own talk page) -- ferret (talk) 15:49, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Concerned

Hi!

I am extremely concerned that you threaten to deprive me of my edit right, just because you're not agree with me. Wikipedia is open, and I contribute money to it every year, so I think I have rights to edit pages that contains information about the company I'm working at.

If there's a political reason behind your decision - please try to leave that outside of wikipedia and be objective.

Kind, Sergii — Preceding unsigned comment added by IOrange (talk • contribs) 19:39, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

@IOrange: You were left a warning because you continued to disruptively insert flags to the infobox despite being reverted by multiple editors and being informed that it was against our Manual of Style guidelines. Continuing to do so is disruptive. We do not care if you contribute money to Wikipedia, it does not buy you the ability to be disruptive and ignore guidelines. I have literally no idea what political reason you think could possibly be behind giving you a warning for ignoring the MOS.

I have also left you a notice about conflict-of-interest, as you have revealed you work for the company whose article you were editing. -- ferret (talk) 19:43, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Why did you Threaten an Edit Ban?

Hello there, I am NHertzberg and you have threatened me with being banned from editing because I listed Avenged Sevenfold as a rock band rather than a metal band. They aren't metal, they are a hard rock normie poser band. I did provide a source like I am supposed to and left my argument in the edit summary, so why did you threaten me with a ban from editing? You consider it disruptive editing however I was only making the article more true to their sound as a band. Keep in mind that when I did basically the same thing (I edited Opeth so that it said Progressive Metal rather than Progressive Metal-Progressive Rock) and I did not get penalized. So why am I getting penalized for doing what I already did? NHertzberg (talk) 22:03, 1 May 2019 (UTC)NHertzberg, May 1, 2019

(talk page watcher) “Normie poser band”? Come on, man. We’re writing an encyclopedia, not the heavy metal police. I haven’t looked into your dispute yet, but I have a feeling like you’re probably on the wrong track here if you think that’s a relevant talking point here... Sergecross73 msg me 22:09, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

@Sergecross73: I left him warnings for frequent unsourced genre changes across several articles. I'm not sure what more he wants explained, the "normie poser" comment already shows he's not editing from neutral view points. -- ferret (talk) 22:17, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

@Sergecross73: Have you even listened to Avenged Sevenfold's music? Any Metalhead can tell that it clearly isn't metal. I'm editing the article to make it more true to their sound as a band. And yes, an encyclopedic article about a metal band SHOULD be by the heavy metal police because WE know more about metal than you guys. Let us talk about what we know about for once. NHertzberg (talk) 13:32, 2 May 2019 (UTC)NHertzberg, May 2 2019

@NHertzberg: That's simply not how Wikipedia works. Articles are based on reliable secondary sources, not fans and the "heavy metal police". If you continue to make these edits, or if you continue to make personal attacks (WP:NPA) as you've done here, you will earn that block. It's your call. If you want to edit constructively, I suggest reading WP:RS to start in regards to our guidelines on reliable sourcing. -- ferret (talk) 14:00, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

@Ferret: Ok, I get you. But what personal attack? — Preceding unsigned comment added by NHertzberg (talk • contribs) 14:02, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Come on, don't play dumb: "13:32, 2 May 2019‎ NHertzberg talk contribs block‎ 23,094 bytes +492‎ →‎Why did you Threaten an Edit Ban?: I am replying to these dumbasses above me." -- ferret (talk) 14:03, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

@Ferret: Ok I didn't think of that as part of the article NHertzberg (talk) 14:05, 2 May 2019 (UTC)NHertzberg, May 2 2019

It's not a part of the page (my user talk) directly, but it's permanently part of the edit history. Edit notes are still communication between users, and are publicly visible. -- ferret (talk) 14:08, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

@Ferret: Mmmkay. I guess I'll just have to follow the rules :)

Sorry for being such a waste of your time. NHertzberg (talk) 14:12, 2 May 2019 (UTC)NHertzberg, May 2 2019

help needed in Joseph Conrad article

Hi Ferret! Could you please evaluate the arguments of all Talk Page contributors on Talk:Joseph_Conrad#Updating_introductory_paragraph_to_reflect_that_Conrad_is_an_English_writer_(2019). Thank you!--Piznajko (talk) 03:57, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

I don't see a need to be involved here, seems like there's a clear consensus for the page to remain as is. -- ferret (talk) 11:48, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

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How are these doubly irrelevant?

Mortal Kombat X Injustice 2. They're from the same company as Mortal Kombat 11 so they should ideally be consistent. How is that not relevant? 79.74.194.118 (talk) 09:05, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

The doubly irrelevant comment was about following Wikia/Fandom. As for the general statement of relevancy, every game is different, we should do what works for the article in question, not arbitrarily try to match another article just because the game was developed by the same company. If it works, fine. If not, don't force it. -- ferret (talk) 10:40, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

MadhuraRaja movie collection was updated wrong in its page

Hi ferret, MadhuraRaja film Collection was updated wrong in page called "Madhura Raja". I work for the movie & movie has surpassed 78 Crores Worldwide today. Please do take action against the person who put wrong Collection (42 CR) in it. I can also provide producer proof of 58.7 CR in 10 days, if needed. Maytheforcebewithyou22 (talk) 13:36, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

I don't see the issue, there doesn't appear to be anything wrong. They have correctly sourced the 42 CR and it clearly says "As of May 1". It's been 9 days, so of course it may have increased since. If you want the value changed, you would need to provide a reliable source showing a newer amount. -- ferret (talk) 13:42, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Hochbahn2000s

He added unsourced information again, and I left him a uw 4 message. I’m guessing since he was blocked for this already he will need to be blocked again. I will be reporting him to the protection against vandalism page but wanted to let you know since you were the one who blocked him previously.

CAMERAwMUSTACHE (talk) 00:02, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

Hey Ferret

I'm looking at some a-hole's work here, [2]. You placed a rangeblock for the same bullshit (and I think I've seen this before); can you expand that range, or figure out what can be done? That range you blocked was at it since November 2018, so a longer block might well be warranted. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 02:41, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

@Drmies: that one falls under 80.83.236.0/22 but that is a pretty wide range. Looks at a glance to be fairly inactive though and only one hit by this guy so far. -- ferret (talk) 03:01, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Remember those old ads for Pontiac cars? Wider is better? Drmies (talk) 03:02, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

User:72.70.34.170

You blocked this vandalism-only account for 2 weeks (after another recent block). See User talk:72.70.34.170. Now it has made another vandal edit. Can it be blocked permanently? -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:02, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Infinite ip blocks should be rare, if they begin again just report to AIV. We certainly would not indef before using a series of longer blocks first. -- ferret (talk) 14:44, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Only a caution

For Portal 2, technically by DATERET, the original format of dates were YYYY-MM-DD which is an acceptable format, so mass changing that isn't appropriate. That said, I could personally care less as I nowadays strongly prefer mdy/dmy over that format and have no issue with the change, but you might find an MOS warrior that will take offense. --Masem (t) 18:28, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

@Masem: There's actually been a recent change to CS1 cite templates. If the "Use date format" template is present, the CS1 templates now automatically date format to match. So YYYY-MM-DD actually was not displaying even before I ran the script. -- ferret (talk) 18:33, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

Composer of the music

Hi, My name is Craig Beattie and I composed all the music and audio for Black and White 2 while I worked at Lionhead studios. If you want to check https://www.mobygames.com/developer/sheet/view/developerId,25385/ and https://www.last.fm/music/Craig+Beattie, if you need more verification please get in touch. I did try to edit this page when I came across it and realised it was wrong - but it got changed back the next day.

Many Thanks Craig Beattie

Blocked user vandalism

• 2603:9000:9507:E00:0:0:0:0/64 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · block user · block log)
• Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Video_games#Cleanup_help_of_an_IPv6_range_needed

You blocked them on June 1st. Is it possible to mass revert their vandalism? Some people are tring to go back through their changes manually, and that seems like a lot of work. Harizotoh9 (talk) 07:54, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

@Harizotoh9: I'm the one who asked for help reviewing their changes manually... :P Most of the changes are no longer the top edit of the article so a mass rollback won't work. If there's other tools, I am not aware. -- ferret (talk) 12:36, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Disruptive Editing

Can you tell me in what sense my edit falls under the definition of "disruptive"? The claim was not sourced, so I removed it. If you want to provide a citation, feel free, but your response of threatening to block me for removing an unsourced claim is completely inappropriate.

Uranium grenade (talk) 10:52, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

WP:LEDE doesn't require sources for content found in the article prose, and this is well covered in the reception. We often see disruptive edits to remove or change the reception of video games by fans or detractors, etc. If that was not the case here, sorry about that, but on the surface it an unexplained removal of content. -- ferret (talk) 15:11, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

Possible unprotection of Roblox?

The article hasn't been vandalized or even disruptively edited since the protection was put into place, and there's almost no edits being made. Could the page be unprotected? EggRoll97 ^(talk) 18:23, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

Of course it hasn't been. That's the entire point of the protection, it prevents vandalism and disruption. Even now the talk page sees near weekly disruption that illustrates what would happen if the protection was removed though. The page has been protected over 15 times, the indef protection is well earned. I'm willing to drop to semiprot however, as ECP was meant to stem a particular attack being done with autoconfirmed accounts. -- ferret (talk) 18:35, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) Completely seconded on this. The talk page discussions show that issues would continue if unprotected. Sergecross73 msg me 20:56, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

A Couple of JD Trolls

(I also sent this first part to JalenFolf)

Hello,

This is not the first time Draft:Just Dance: Greatest Hits 02 (2019 video game) has been created by a user in the 181 range. Draft:Just Dance: Greatest Hits 02 (without the "2019 video game") has been created multiple times by multiple accounts stemming from either an IP in this range or Camilode. If you look at the history of the aforementioned Draft:Just Dance Greatest Hits 02 page, you can see that it was protected due to it being repeatedly created. This user keeps coming back, and appears to have a whole category dedicated to him, Category:Suspected_Wikipedia_sockpuppets_of_Camilod. If you look at all the IP accounts in that range, you will find that several have at least one uw-error warning on it for a Just Dance-related page, usually adding something like "Electric Boy by The Girly Team is coming to Just Dance Unlimited". I was unable to access Draft:Just Dance Greatest Hits 02's history (as it was deleted) in order to report the IP as a sock.

I have dealt with this troll on the Just Dance FANDOM community. He created at least 40 accounts dating back to 2014-2015 and we eventually had staff (us local admins couldn't access his IP) block the range 181.161.0.0/16 to block him permanently as he would just come back with a new account after the ban expired. I know permabanning an IP isn't something you do here but I think the IP range should be blocked at least temporarily.

This next part wasn't included in my message to JalenFolf

And, on a similar note, keep an eye on JohnRoberti. I dealt with him on FANDOM last year. He kept changing the ESRB rating of JD2019 from E to E10+, despite me sending him to the ESRB page to prove it was E. He waited out two blocks and came back each time to keep changing the information, even after the game came out. I left him multiple messages telling him to stop, but kept going. I permanently banned him when he made a second account to upload Photoshopped game covers with the E10+ rating on them as "proof" for the first account's claims. So, keep an eye on this guy. He's patient and is willing to create more accounts to add his fake information (in this case JD2020 on the Wii U).

CAMERAwMUSTACHE (talk) 03:01, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

JohnRoberti got blocked yesterday for reinstating the incorrect information despite his warnings. -- ferret (talk) 23:08, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

Image discussion

Is there an ongoing page where the discussion in regards to infobox is being discussed? Can't find it.Tintor2 (talk) 16:22, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

@Tintor2: I'm not aware of any. But changes to MOS:VG, as you've Blue Pumpkin Pie proposed, must be at the MOS:VG talk page. It's no longer a subpage of the wikiproject but a bon afide MOS page under the Manual of Style header. -- ferret (talk) 16:28, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

Looks like the discussion was moved to such page.Tintor2 (talk) 21:54, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

How can I help?

Hey, you may remember me from a while back, but probably not. I want to help make Wikipedia better, but I don't really know what to do to help. do you have any suggestions? (a quick note, as it now says in my user page, I don't have access to a computer a lot of the time, so I might not be able to respond for a while.) pearl playa (talk) 20:41, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

Hey Pearl! Women in Red is always looking for help fighting systematic bias. Cheers, –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 20:54, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi pearl! Ferret told me that you were looking for help! The best way to decide what you want to do is try stuff out until you figure it out. I personally love to revert vandalism, but you may want to improve articles to good or featured article status or focus on adding references or taking pictures and uploading them to Commons. I can't tell what you would enjoy so it's up to you to find what you're passionate about!--Breawycker (talk to me!) 21:04, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

Topic ban

Hi ferret. May I ask where you stand on this proposal? For, against or neutral? Have a nice day in any case. Damien Linnane (talk) 14:52, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

I've replied at Sergecross73's talk page, no further input at this time. -- ferret (talk) 15:13, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for reverting my accidental revert on Caroline Buchanan. After looking at my browser history I realized I must have accidentally clicked the Twinkle 'rollback' link from the previous editor's contribs page. Sorry about that, I'll be more careful in the future. SpicyMilkBoy (talk) 22:41, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

Janis Joplin

Could you please check out Janis Joplin? These people keep deleting "female". CLCStudent (talk) 16:06, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Protected. -- ferret (talk) 16:08, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Some confirmed users are continuing with the disruptive edits. CLCStudent (talk) 16:13, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

I think there's some merit to that, so maybe best to move to the talk page on the count. The general mixed in outright vandalism should be stopped though. You should also be aware there's a Reddit thread that is sparking this flurry of activity. -- ferret (talk) 16:17, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Surprised to see this labelled as vandalism. Obviously edit warring and it should be dicussed, but there is a legit debate to be had isn't there? I've fully protected it for a couple of days. It's coming from reddit btw: https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/comments/cb22ws/i_edited_janis_joplins_wikipedia_page_to_say_most/. SmartSE (talk) 16:57, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

I forgive ya ;) SmartSE (talk) 16:58, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Yep there's two issues here. A bunch of vandalism got mixed in, which had to stop, and a general edit war over the inclusion of the word. That needs to be handled on the talk page, so here we are... :) -- ferret (talk) 17:03, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Discord

Hi. I had never heard if Discord until today, but when I triad to use it and 'claim' my account it tells me my email address is already registered. How is that possible? It won't let me enter messages. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:19, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

@Kudpung: I'm going to email you on this topic. -- ferret (talk) 13:07, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. Maybe I did look at it once out of curiosity - like I did today. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:41, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

@Kudpung: I think I see what prompted your curiosity now. You're of course welcome any time. -- ferret (talk) 13:49, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

This still doesn't work. The browser does not present me with a log in page, only 'claim this', and then keeps telling me my email is already registered. No box to enter the pw. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 17:34, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

@Kudpung: Try in a different browser, or clearing your cache first. Most likely the temporary account is cached in your current browser. Otherwise, log out is buried in the options. There will be a little gear in the lower left, next to the mic and headphone buttons. Click it and Log Out should be the last option on the left. -- ferret (talk) 23:53, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

@Kudpung: Did you ever have any luck? Feel free to contact me any time. -- ferret (talk) 19:29, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

No, I've never been able to get it to work. It keeps asking me to claim an account and when I enter my email it tells me an account is already registered. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 21:36, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

@Kudpung: If you are in a browser, look in the lower left where your avatar and name are listed. Next to it are a microphone, headset and gear icon. Click the gear to open options. Log Out is in red at the end of the options. That should put you back to a login panel where you can enter your email and do Forgotten Password. -- ferret (talk) 21:42, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Lordtobi ignorant

Please dealt with Lordtobi. It seems that he had go overboard to delete everything. Despite, I'll helping the article to make it great. If you can. Thanks 115.66.21.132 (talk) 12:27, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

Replied on IP's talk page. -- ferret (talk) 12:29, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

Edit with source

Hi, I read what you said about the far cry primal edit that I have done about one hour ago. It wasn't from a player observation without any source, if you go on the Italian Wikipedia page of 3 peaks of Lavaredo you can see that under curiosity tab it says what I wrote in the edit, and in the official dolomiti page that I have linked in the cite it says that 3 Cime di Lavaredo appear in Far Cry Primal. Thanks however for anything. Pucco93 (talk) 19:49, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

@Pucco93: Self-reverted. I missed the mention at the very end of the source. Thank you for leaving me a message rather than just reverting. -- ferret (talk) 20:55, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

Seriously

I spent FOREVER making Player (Mojang) and you just go and make it a redirect. You better make it back to a page EXACTLY how it was. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MrCoolGuy159 (talk • contribs) 23:07, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

@MrCoolGuy159: These are not topics that pass WP:GNG. They lack sourcing and independent coverage separate from the game, and there's very little to say about them. Minecraft's gamepedia adequately covers both topics, but they are not suitable for Wikipedia. The long list of deletions on your talk page indicates a chronic issue of understanding when topics are notable. I highly recommend reading WP:GNG before you create any further articles. At the very least you need to be using Drafts and having AFC review your creations. -- ferret (talk) 23:10, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

I got your message. I may be quitting Wikipedia now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MrCoolGuy159 (talk • contribs) 23:19, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

I spent almost 3 hours making Player (Mojang). I'm pretty sure you're aware that it is under development. Can I undo that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MrCoolGuy159 (talk • contribs) 23:22, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

@MrCoolGuy159: Tell you what, I'll try to help you out here with some guidance. Article space isn't where you should be building new articles that are questionable on sourcing and notability. You should do it in a sandbox or in draft space. I've moved the page to draft space for you to work on, see Draft:Player (Mojang). When you believe the article is ready, submit it for an AFC review. Do not move it from Draft to Article yourself. -- ferret (talk) 23:25, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

User talk:Whaleworld

Hey! I tried to update the block reason on the user's talk page so they know what they've been blocked for (in case they're not a sock), but was reverted because you should be the one to update it if necessary. So, if you deem so necessary, could you update the block uw template? --MrClog (talk) 17:53, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

Cross posted to user's talk page already. User is under a NOTHERE block either way. That they happened to be a sock too is secondary. :) All good. -- ferret (talk) 17:59, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

The WikiProject Video Games Newsletter, Q2 2019

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July 2019

I disagree, an adequate explanation was given 82.14.227.91 (talk) 15:49, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) 82.14, do you have any questions then? –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 15:56, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

Composer for Black and White 2

Hi,

My name is Craig Beattie and I have noticed that on the Black and White 2 page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_%26_White_2 that the composer is credited to Paul Romero. This is completely incorrect as I composed all the music and sound effects for the game while working at Lionhead studios.

Please check links for evidence https://www.last.fm/music/Craig+Beattie https://www.mobygames.com/developer/sheet/view/developerId,25385/

There is also a credits video somebody has uploaded go to 3.05 in the video timeline to see my name in the credits https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uD9jiw_uO8c

Thanks

Craig Beattie— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a02:c7f:98b4:a700:10c9:5f96:fdd2:d362 (talk) 12:30, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

Craig, I've updated several of the credit fields with the lead personnel from those areas, per our Infobox documentation. -- ferret (talk) 14:45, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi Ferret,

Thanks for the update - although Russell Shaw should come under the heading of Audio Director as he did not compose any music or audio content for the game.

Many Thanks Craig — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a02:c7f:98b4:a700:bc15:b139:8903:7e6f (talk) 10:30, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

The way the rules for the infobox works is that we normally only lists leads and directors of areas. For example, only lead programmers (not all programmers). In this case, you're not labelled as "Lead" or "Director" or anything for audio, but it's clear you did all the actual work, so I compromised and put both. -- ferret (talk) 12:05, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

Cube World

Hey Ferret. My intention on adding a table with wol_lay tweets at Cube World page is to compile what is comming to the game since, it seems to be the only relevant way of knowing what the developer is doing. Also, it's better than editing that section again and again to prevent the "His most recent post" part of that topic to get outdated. Please consider reverting :) Cheers.--Risthel (talk) 19:00, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

@Risthel: Wikipedia is a news site or change log, especially for primary sourced details like this (meaning they are wol_lay's own tweets). If reliable secondary sources were covering his claims and plans, that might be different, but that is not the case here. -- ferret (talk) 19:28, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

West Philadelphia

The fact that you're threatening to ban me on Wikipedia for a joke is just stupid. Take a chill pill, I specifically said in my edit that it was a joke, I didn't mean it, and I was okay with people reverting my edits.— Preceding unsigned comment added by SlyJaknDaxter99 (talk • contribs) 17:47, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

@SlyJaknDaxter99: No, we don't allow "just joking" vandalism. We have enough bad faith vandals to deal with without you throwing in a few "jokes". On top of that, posting song lyrics is a copyright violation that requires an administrator to take extra steps to hide the edit. You've the choice to take the warning as it's meant and not do it again, or gripe about how we're ruining your fun and continue. If you continue, you will be blocked, without another warning. -- ferret (talk) 17:49, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

SpaceStationSim

I need help getting this obscure game to GA or FA status. Surprisingly there is a lot of information regarding this game. I would ask User:Lordtobi and User:JimmyBlackwing but I think there both busy at the moment.Timur9008 (talk) 16:12, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

Letcreate123 2.0

Can I inquire about why the RD2 redactions since I was mentioned in them? I've never crossed paths with this user, unless I assume it's a Gabucho sock pinging a number of editors and throwing barbs our way (which is something they always do). Thanks...just curious. Nate • (chatter) 01:58, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

@Mrschimpf: It's was a Gabucho sock (self claimed). I considered the particular attacks severe enough to remove. -- ferret (talk) 02:02, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

I appreciate it then, thank you 🙂! Nate • (chatter) 02:07, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

Izno

Thanks for fixing the number on my question. I can't remember the last time I asked a question at an RfA - and I thought I was being soooo careful. --Bbb23 (talk) 17:36, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

No problem ;) -- ferret (talk) 17:37, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

​ There izno reason to be down on yourself. --Izno (talk) 15:40, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

Disruptive editing after the block expired

Hi Ferret. You blocked the user 87.116.154.253, so I'm writing to you directly because you are familiar with the issue. The user continued to do the same unsourced edits after his block expired. Is it possible to block him on a longer period? Thanks. --IndexAccount (talk) 14:29, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

 Done -- ferret (talk) 16:04, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

I have a quick question?

Why is drama not a video game genre. Just wondering. Have a nice day Chcu1297 (talk) 20:43, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

RFC in List of music considered the worst

I think we're ready for the RFC in Talk:List of music considered the worst. I would start it myself, but I'd rather an admin such as yourself do it, in case I make some mistake. WKMN? Later [ Let's talk ] 14:54, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

Break

On and off break continues. At first I was just preoccupied with a game, then vacation, and now some other going ons :) Nothing bad, just life going on at the moment. -- ferret (talk) 18:35, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Battlefield V

Noticed your activity on Battlefield V. Wondered if a section "Multiplayer Maps" can be a good addition. As I'm not yet playing the game it was the kind of info I tried to find on Wikipedia. MinorDetailSpy (talk) 12:20, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

@MinorDetailSpy: See WP:VGSCOPE. We typically do not includes lists of levels, items, etc. That's more suited for Wikia/Fandom generally. -- ferret (talk) 13:23, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Why?

Hello

why you Deleted Founder? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jicco123 (talk • contribs) 08:33, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

@Jicco123: I didn't delete founders anywhere, so I cannot address whatever you are talking about. -- ferret (talk) 11:25, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

Pinging the relevant user, TheDeviantPro. Lordtobi (✉) 20:24, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Because the founders have nothing to do with being a subsidiary/studio of Microsoft and Sony. Most of them don't even work at the studio anymore therefore they have nothing to with the developer current status as subsidiary. The table only should include relevant information. Not only that it clusters the table. TheDeviantPro (talk) 23:03, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

ANI (mentioned)

Hi Ferret, Just a heads up I've mentioned you at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Astra1999 inregards to a user you previously blocked, Many thanks, –Dave | Davey2010^Talk 19:52, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

PenguinsElite

I see that you've been involved with the block of PenguinsElite almost two years ago;since then numerous accounts have been discovered. I have given a description on whether to do a WP:BAN on the user for not obeying the WP:SOCK rule. The discussion can be found at "Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#WP:CBAN for PenguinsElite". Iggy (Swan) 21:38, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Can you help me understand what does fair use for some images means?

I read manual, but I can't make difference between using this picture File:Glenn Stafford, BlizzCon 2018.jpg , and use of any other picture of living person on wikipedia? I tried to understand why some pages have picture of living person even if files are replaceable with text, and this one is problematic. It is just printscreen of blizzcon public stream, why is this more illegal than taking live shot of some public person? Help me. If problem is only in description of image, can you help me to find which description to use? EchoBlu (talk) 03:25, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

My Elder Scrolls: Arena Edit

I'm sure you get these all the time so I'll make it quick. I spent like a half an hour putting that together, it kind of sucks to just have it be gone now. I could have worded it differently and I was planning on going back and editing it again later when I had time. The game did actually release in France, I was just noting that process. There's really no "official" source on this stuff since it's been 25 years since the game actually came out and the internet wasn't really a thing. It's cool if you don't want to put it back up but like, just keep in mind people spend time writing this stuff you know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheRockWithAMedecineCupOnHisHead (talk • contribs) 17:53, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

A reliable source is required for any information on Wikipedia. See WP:V for the full details about verifying information, and WP:RS about reliable sources. Fan sites, wikia, fandom, and other user generated sites are not reliable for wikipedia. -- ferret (talk) 18:04, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Assistance in solving an edit war and potential POV pushing

Hello, ferret, I know that the particular article which I need assistance with is not within your usual scope, but I would be most grateful if you could provide some administrative assistance with this issue. There's currently a discussion going on at the articles talk page, Talk:Self-coup#Boris_Johnson, but neither of the two editors in question are taking on board the views of the others who have expressed their views. Rather they keep reverting back to their 'preferred' version of the article when anyone else dares to disagree with them. They seem to have been holding the page to ransom for months. Again I know its not within your usual scope but I'm not sure where else to turn for this particular issue and you're the first person to come to mind. Thanks. Chieftain Tartarus (talk) 12:13, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

Just a little update, I've taken it to the conflict of interest board in light of finding out their twitter account which high-lights what I see as a clear COI, Link to twitter if your interested. Chieftain Tartarus (talk) 19:53, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

"PlayStation 5 (version 2)" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect PlayStation 5 (version 2). Since you had some involvement with the PlayStation 5 (version 2) redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. — Searingjet (talk) 12:16, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

Silliness

Hi - you might want to have a look at Talk page access here also - after being blocked they just made their page like a zillion lines long with repeated lyrics. I'm not sure if it's against the rules per se but it looks a h*ll of a waste of server space, and not much like they are thinking about serious ediitong here in future. Thanks and best wishes DBaK (talk) 17:32, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

@DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered:  Done -- ferret (talk) 17:38, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks! DBaK (talk) 17:50, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

Question

Hello, Ferret! I got a message from you about incorrect links in my text that can't be used in the encyclopedia. Let me explain. My name is Tatiana, I represent the portal RatRating.com, we rate all websites of the web by traffic. We have a big catalogue of sites, top 100 resources, etc. So, I guess this information about site rating might be interesting for Wiki, but I have the problem with links. Could you, please, help me with them? How to place them correctly? Hope to hear from you soon! — Preceding unsigned comment added by TatianaRR (talk • contribs) 09:09, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

I've left you a copy of the standard conflict of interest notice on your talk page. You should not make any edits about RatRating.com nor add any links to it. This will be considered spam and advertising. -- ferret (talk) 13:24, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

Slut-shaming needs semi-protection again?

Protection wore off and already the IP disruption has commenced. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 08:18, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

@Flyer22 Reborn: Reapplied. -- ferret (talk) 12:21, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

Ninendo 64

I have seen by your past edits that you are a very busy man, but I do have something to ask of you regarding the edits of mine you undid, I do understand the reasons too many link and favoring Hyperkin. But, that was not my intention, personally I am starting out on Wikipedia as an editor and my edits may not meet up a professionals standards. Rather than undoing my entire work, can you please assist me by giving me some pointers and then improving my edits to minimize links and not have a bias view towards Hyperkin. I want to add the Ultra Retron into the article but I cannot find many sources other than some videos at E3 of the actual company making the announcement. Also, I was trying to take the view of a Nintendo 64 enthousist and I can understand now, looking back it seemed like I was a representative trying to promote there product. I can understand if you are to busy for such, but since you undid the changes I just wanted to ask you if you could improve it for me and teach me what I did wrong. If the answer is no I will understand, I hope you have a wonderful day. sincerely,

BillyTheKid21 (talk) 18:54, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

@BillyTheKid21: It's best if you bring it up at the talk page of the article so other page watchers can chime in. As for linking, WP:OVERLINK is the relevant guideline. For Hyperkin, the immediate issue is reliable sources. The site you linked is not reliable by Wikipedia's standards. A list of vetted reliable sources pertaining to video games can be found at WP:VG/RS (though it's not exhaustive and new sources can always be discussed there). The other issue that it's hardly the only device of it's nature, and isn't really notable in and of itself. If it gains more notability and coverage on it's own, it may be suitable to mention. -- ferret (talk) 18:58, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

WoW

Sorry, but you can't write that 8 expacs have been released when the 8th hasn't been released... Not trying to edit war :) Neil S. Walker (talk) 20:10, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Sorry "ferret" but there is nothing that requires my edit to be "constructive" as you put it in this case as the edit is 100 percent factual. Riot Games, Inc. is entirely owned by Tencent Holdings.

Sorry "ferret" but there is nothing that requires my edit to be "constructive" as you put it in this case as the edit is 100 percent factual. Riot Games, Inc. is entirely owned by Tencent Holdings. Tencent is a Chinese company therefore Riot Games is a Chinese company. Riot is a "private company" and is not traded on the market. Tencent isn't just a "stakeholder/shareholder" as you put it. I don't understand why you are acting as a shill for Riot. Why is it you are trying to accomplish with the deletion of factual evidence.

https://www.cnet.com/news/league-of-legends-maker-riot-games-now-completely-owned-by-chinas-tencent/

https://techcrunch.com/2015/12/17/tencent-takes-full-control-of-league-of-legends-creator-riot-games/

https://www.polygon.com/2015/12/16/10326320/riot-games-now-owned-entirely-by-tencent

https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Riot_Games In February 2011, Tencent paid $400 million for a 93 percent stake in Riot Games. Tencent bought the remaining 7 percent in December 16, 2015 YES ferret 93% plus a remaining 7% = what??? Oh right 100 PERCENT OWNED BY A CHINESE CONGLOMERATE. Ie. Riot Games stopped being an American company 12/16/15. Sorry fact are facts, now since you are trying to act as an online encyclopedia I would suggest you state FACTS and not spread outright LIES Prove to me that my edit was not factual and 100% correct, can you?

PS: What does factual evidence of ownership have to do with being constructive? By you deleting my edit you are aiding in a lie and are actually very destructive. My edit is/was 100% verifiable. Explain to me how you manage to think that Riot Games is an American company when they are 100% owned by Tencet Holdings? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.69.188.129 (talk) 07:13, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Riot is an American company, registered. operating and headquartered in America, that happens to be owned by a Chinese company. Give it up, no one is interested in all the disruptive editing that's been going on for weeks in relation to Tencent, Riot, Blizzard, etc. -- ferret (talk) 12:47, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Article recreated

Hello,

the headline says all. I recreated the article and I want to know what is wrong with the article. How can I show you the article?

Jicco123 (talk) 20:09, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

@Jicco123: I don't know what article you are talking about. -- ferret (talk) 20:11, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Esports

How many times do I have to make myself clear! I put the information to be accurate, I will call Wiki if I am blocked again! -Qylux — Preceding unsigned comment added by Qylux (talk • contribs) 20:42, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

@Qylux: It's already been explained to you that it's not about "accuracy" or what you "know to be true". You should read some of the guidelines and policies that have been provided to you. You are not heeding what other editors tell you, and you continue to refuse to discuss the edits you want to make in a constructive way at the article's talk page. If you make the edit again, you will be blocked again. -- ferret (talk) 20:59, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

How are other wikis not reliable sources?

HOW?! Jefferson Grabow (talk) 00:15, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

Read WP:USERG. Things that can be changed by anyone one at any time doesn’t verify anything. Sergecross73 msg me 00:23, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

Usually without fact checking by someone who is known to do good fact checking. --Izno (talk) 04:07, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

Category:Video game downloadable content packs has been nominated for discussion

Category:Video game downloadable content packs, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. _{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 19:41, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

How to categorize Battlerite and Bleeding Edge?

Why you removed whole section? There is no team brawler article on wikipedia.EchoBlu (talk) 22:46, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

@EchoBlu: Because it was entirely unsourced and had details that are wrong, mostly. I said as much in my edit summary. WP:V must be met for all content. "Team brawler" doesn't have an article because it's not really recognized as a separate genre. That a MOBA game doesn't have every single aspect doesn't really make a new genre. -- ferret (talk) 22:47, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

@Ferret:So you telling me that Bleeding Edge can be categorized as a MOBA? Is it better to somehow mention "team brawler" under the MOBA article? When you go on the Bleeding Edge page, the game is categorized as a brawler. EchoBlu (talk) 22:52, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

@EchoBlu: What store pages and official sites call things isn't what we go by. We go by reliable sources. That's why we call Dota 2 a MOBA, even though Valve still calls it an "Action RTS". A quick review of sources shows Bleeding Edge being called a "MOBA-like" or "MOBA-lite" or "Bridges the gap between MOBAs and Overwatch", etc. The term "Team brawler" didn't come up in my quick search. If it can't be clearly defined, you can leave it blank, but no one would argue much with listing "Moba-like" or similar.

@Ferret: "Team brawler" came up in google search very often, but I understand your point EchoBlu (talk) 14:34, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

List of Spawn deities and BlazBlue deities

Did you not read Spawn or played BlazBlue?

https://imagecomics.fandom.com/wiki/Man_of_Miracles Man of Miracles is the supreame being of the Spawn universe with God and Satan being her children. There is also the Dark God Urizen.

Yuuki Terumi is Susano'o a god from the BlazBlue series.Also Amateratsu and Tsukiyomi are gods in BlazBlue so there are deities in BlazBlue.

https://blazblue.wiki/wiki/Susano%27o

--2601:403:4280:E170:68F6:FA13:AB84:F4AF (talk) 15:24, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

Not relevant. They aren't notable on Wikipedia and are unsourced, WP:V. This kind of detail belongs on wikia and fandom, etc. -- ferret (talk) 15:25, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

Topic about Vampires

https://imagecomics.fandom.com/wiki/Bludd did you not read the wiki page already?--2601:403:4280:E170:68F6:FA13:AB84:F4AF (talk) 15:20, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

Fandom/Wikia are not reliable sources. These aren't covered by reliable sources and aren't notable for inclusion on Wikipedia. -- ferret (talk) 15:27, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

Ferret, please explain me

Hello,

20:31, 17. Nov. 2019: Reverted to revision 925642157 by 101.98.122.91 (talk): Mass of issues and MOS problems.

Can you explain my mistakes?

Jicco123 (talk) 18:41, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

@Jicco123: I seriously don't have time to enumerate all the things, many of which you've been repeatedly told. One obvious one however is removing italics from the titles of media items. Game titles, books, TV shows, series names, etc, are always in italics. -- ferret (talk) 18:43, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

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Would you mind looking into this IP? I'm pretty sure this is Raymondskie99. They just tried to restore the Piranha Plant article again that's suspiciously similar to the one Raymondskie made a few months ago. JOEBRO64 00:44, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

New Vegas is not a spin off

Hi! New Vegas was developed by the original developers of the series and it follows the canon of Fallout 1 and 2 (and by some means Fallout 3). So it is by no means a spin off. ComradeUranium (talk) 20:41, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

@ComradeUranium: It's a spinoff because reliable secondary sources refer to it as such. The fact that it faithfully follows lore of other games doesn't change that. It's not considered a main line entry by reliable sources, which is how Wikipedia is built. -- ferret (talk) 20:44, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

But still in the article there are no references that claim the game is a spin off. ComradeUranium (talk) 20:48, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

@ComradeUranium: This is a perennial discussion. Read some of the reviews. Most start off with "New Vegas, a new spin-off in the Fallout series" or similar such phrases. -- ferret (talk) 22:03, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

Sure, most gaming "journalists" don't know exactly what they're talking about. And some might be Bethesda fanboys as well or paid by them. I wouldn't doubt it, considering how low Bethesda has fallen with Fallout 76, which is truly a spin-off. ComradeUranium (talk) 23:03, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) Thats not a real good attitude to have if you’re going to be editing Wikipedia. The entire premise is to write content entirely according to what reliable sources will verify. According to Wikipedia’s standards, that means the “gaming journalist” you just put scare quotes around. Here, they would be a prominent authority on such content... Sergecross73 msg me 23:09, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia has no time for Bethesda vs Obsidian fan boy fights. -- ferret (talk) 23:19, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

I guess it's time for you to open your eyes and check how things really are. Other language versions have New Vegas listed under the main series, because that's how it is. The game is often mistakenly called a spin-off because it doesn't follow the numerical title like other installments (1, 2, 3, 4) and was not developed by Bethesda, who currently own the rights to the Fallout franchise. The game is 100 % canon, which for instance the BoS installments aren't and thus are listed as spin-offs. ComradeUranium (talk) 20:25, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

@ComradeUranium: Spin offs can be canon, not sure why everyone brings that up. Enwiki goes by reliable secondary sources. Not all projects and languages have the same guidelines and policies. Enwiki's tend to be stricter. Please don't change it again, I'd like to not have to block you. -- ferret (talk) 20:28, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

(edit conflict) You’re free to open up further discussions on it on the articles talk page, and make your change if you get a WP: CONSENSUS that supports it. But if you change it without a consensus to change, your account will likely get blocked, and you’ll likely need to come up with a better argument, because, as already explained, that’s not usually the standards or criteria that are used on Wikipedia. Your argument isn’t likely to be persuasive here. Sergecross73 msg me 20:32, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

Ahem

1. There is no reason for Herve Roy's page to mention 2Girls1Cup. It's disrespectful to Herve's legacy. 2. Can you talk to TV Tropes and see if you can get me unblocked? I have the same username and email address as here.2A00:23C4:6B3C:C100:60B3:DF79:8A41:348E (talk) 23:11, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

We don't necessarily care about Herve Roy's "legacy", the song's usage in 2Girls1Cup is reliably sourced and covered. No, I can't help you with blocks on TVTropes. Seems like you have a habit of being blocked from sites. -- ferret (talk) 00:52, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

(For the talk page watchers, blocked this IP. LTA, have been blocking them for years now, always come back to make the same edits.) -- ferret (talk) 00:56, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

Some help you are. I've been blocked permanently for no reason. Couldn't they have just blocked me for a few months for me to think about it?LydiaPrower8 (talk) 01:56, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for confirming this was you. I thought it was but was giving the benefit of a doubt. -- ferret (talk) 02:06, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

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Hi, is there any reason why is Auto battler page deleted?

@Ferret: Hi administrator! Is there any reason why is Auto battler page removed (with the explanation: "this really doesn't need its own article, all of this can fit nicely back on the section"). Why is Auto battler the only subgenre that "really doesn't need its own article")? I know it's not you, but page was removed from some big editor, so I want to know is there some bigger reason? Do we need to discuss first? I didn't add some random text to random article, I created page of the new genre, which already have several games from "big name" publishers. Thank you. EchoBlu (talk) 07:32, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

EchoBlu: keep expanding it and the argument that it doesn’t have enough material for its own article will be diminished. If you need extra opinions, try a post at WT:VG. Thank you for your contributions! –xeno^talk 09:46, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

Regarding "Mods" section of Battlefield 1942

I noticed that you remove some articles on it, particularly on BattleGroup42 section which having it's own website and properly cited; the old one (which can only viewed through The Wayback Machine) and the current one. Al13326 (talk) 22:09, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

@Al13326: Because there is no secondary sourcing, as my edit note stated. Any mod site could add itself and link it's own site. What is needed to denote some sort of significance is coverage by a reliable secondary source. The remaining entries all have reviews from various sites or magazines. -- ferret (talk) 01:01, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

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KH is not a spin-off.

No intent to engage this further, feel free to use the article's talk page to present a well reasoned argument backed by Wikipedia policy.
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
I have seen some of these "sources" and I can tell you with certainty that they are not reliable at all. Here are some reasons: 1) They don't explain why they consider it a spin-off. 2) Those articles were written by anyone not different from me and you who completely misunderstood the definition of spin-offs and confused with KH only because FF characters are present in that game. In practice they were superficial. Want to know what the real reliable sources are in this case? The word of the developer of FF or KH and the definition of spin-off. The rest counts for me little or nothing. I also wanted to tell you dear Ferret that I never "lied", as you say. I was referring to this discussion where you had not yet answered me. So your statement and the fact that you put protection on the FF page makes no sense. It is obvious that you have misunderstood. I am simply a user open to dialogue, not a molester. Yiucjb50 (talk) 19:25, 17 December 2019 (UTC) They don't have to explain why they consider it a spin-off, and we as wikipedia editors don't get to decide they "misunderstood the definition". Wikipedia is built on reliable sources, read WP:RS. This is core to how Wikipedia is edited and if you can't follow it you'll have a hard time. Your question to the talk page had been replied to. -- ferret (talk) 19:52, 17 December 2019 (UTC) Okay, so you're telling me they could write anything, even if the man never went to the moon and you would consider it? Are you kidding me? Do they explain anything and call it reliable? If this is your policy, worry, it should be seriously revised. This source is much more reliable: http://iwataasks.nintendo.com/interviews/#/3ds/creators/11/0 Here is told by Tetsuya Nomura (director of KH) that KH was conceived with the idea of creating a game similar to Super Mario 64, and the FF characters were inserted only because of their popularity due to fan requests. That's all. Other series like SaGa and Mana are instead considered FF spin-offs because the initial idea of Square was to create secondary chapters of FF (in fact in the titles of the first chapters of those series there is the writing "Final Fantasy") to make you understand the comparison with KH. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yiucjb50 (talk • contribs) 21:08, 17 December 2019 (UTC) When we talk about spin-offs we must consider with which idea that work was born and how certain characters and narrative universes were inserted. Another example is the Smash Bros series, which is a crossover series but not a spin-off, exactly like KH. I could give you lots of other examples of movies, TV series, books etc ... to make you understand the difference even better. Only because the characters of FF appear in KH does not mean that it is an FF spin-off. It would be like saying that every film after Terminator is a spin-off of Terminator just because Schwarzenegger is there: come with me that doesn't make sense. Besides, I already told you that I had created a discussion in my discussion page and you didn't answer me. If you don't believe it, you can go check. So I repeat: I never "lied". Yiucjb50 (talk) 21:10, 17 December 2019 (UTC) Tetsuya never says it's not a spin off either, regardless of some of it's inspirations. Please, spare me the "You just don't understand what a spin off is" nonsense. You don't understand what a "reliable source" is in terms of how Wikipedia uses it. No, reliable sources cannot just write "whatever they want". We consider them reliable because they have a reputation for fact checking, editorial policy, and NOT writing random bullshit. On the flip side, a Wikia or Fandom site is NOT reliable, because it is a user-generated source, with no editorial control or reputation. Or, for another example, The Onion is a satirical site, and is unreliable and would never be used. Because sources that Wikipedia deems to be reliable publications call KH a spin off, Wikipedia calls it a spin off. Fans can be as mad about that as they like. -- ferret (talk) 23:17, 17 December 2019 (UTC) Reputations? Editorial policy? Maybe, but not always. Once, in an Everyeye article, a publisher wrote something that didn't happen and I corrected it. He later deleted a part of the article. His justification was "We wrote in a hurry" or something like that. I tell you this to make you understand that these people are not computers, they are people, so it is normal for them to make some mistakes. It also happens to the best. Making mistakes is human. Do you realize that what these guys wrote is against the logic of defining spin-offs? I suggest you get yourself a little review: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spin-off_(media) Nomura explained how KH was born because they simply asked it. Instead he never said it wasn't a spin-off because no one asked him. So why should he say it? The only coherent things we know are: the definition of spin-off and how KH was born. Yiucjb50 (talk) 01:10, 18 December 2019 (UTC) Everything else that comes from those articles is not explained simply because they don't have the basics to do it, otherwise you think they wouldn't do it? They have called KH a spin-off superficially based on the fact that the FF characters appear. It goes against logic. Furthermore these "sources" that I have seen have simply compiled a ranking on the FF games, so it's not even a thing aimed at explaining what kind of game is KH. So I would say that those articles are already superficial by nature. They are not great sources. By this I do not mean that all Wikipedia sources are wrong, mind you. You have simply taken the wrong sources, that's all. Do you know how many false news stories run on the net? If we started counting them we would never end. And if I tell you these things it's not because I'm a "crazy fan" as you say. But why don't I feel like visiting your pages and seeing some crap written. (Also you should be more polite when writing instead of offending). Yiucjb50 (talk) 01:11, 18 December 2019 (UTC) Well, doesn't seem like this is going anywhere. Read up on WP:V and WP:RS in depth if you plan to contribute more. This particular topic you will not get much traction on. There's simply too much secondary reliable source reporting. -- ferret (talk) 01:17, 18 December 2019 (UTC) You continue to call them trustworthy but I have already explained to you in detail and in the clearest possible way that they are not at all. It would be like saying that cats fly but don't show it. This is how I see it. Nomura's story of how KH was born is 100% better than those articles. Why Nomura has argued and explained, instead those articles no. Something where nothing is said NOTHING is NOTHING. The real sources explain things as it should be, but not the ones. I explained to you practically everything with logic (you did not), I tried, but if you don't want to understand worse for you. It will mean that I will never visit this Wikipedia page again, otherwise there is a risk that my eyes will bleed for the things I see. Yiucjb50 (talk) 01:59, 18 December 2019 (UTC) Read Wikipedia:Verifiability, not truth as well. -- ferret (talk) 02:02, 18 December 2019 (UTC) I have read, and if it is really so then in practice sometimes in your pages you have nothing 100% secure. If this is your policy I am sorry for you and for Wikipedia. Anyway, let's play your game. These are some sources that do not define KH as a spin-off: https://www.einerd.com.br/top-10-spin-offs-de-final-fantasy/ Yiucjb50 (talk) 03:07, 18 December 2019 (UTC) https://twinfinite.net/gallery/the-best-final-fantasy-spin-offs-all-ranked/20/ Yiucjb50 (talk) 03:10, 18 December 2019 (UTC) https://www.thegamer.com/final-fantasy-franchise-spin-offs-greatest-worst-ever-square-enix/ Yiucjb50 (talk) 03:11, 18 December 2019 (UTC) https://www.gamespot.com/videos/the-history-of-the-kingdom-hearts-franchise/2300-6448075/ Yiucjb50 (talk) 03:12, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

in your attempt to do good for the platform, you are a vandal

pretty obvious. if you claim it's against the rules to post links to particular storefronts, then why don't you go through the effort of finding something that you can post? i'm going to revert your reversion with a small correction that will make you happy. unless, of course, you're trying to argue that using links at all is against the rules. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Advancedlamb (talk • contribs) 20:26, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

@Advancedlamb: No, those links were inappropriate. I'll add a valid source I just found, but you need to read WP:AGF and understand using vandal in this matter on wikipedia is essentially a personal attack. -- ferret (talk) 20:30, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

as far as i know, it is vandalism to delete things from a wikipedia article. if you want to change the info, REPLACE IT, do not delete. the info i posted was obviously really the same as what we now have, which is the central store page, not biased because it featured 2/2 of the storefronts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Advancedlamb (talk • contribs) 20:37, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

@Advancedlamb: Please read WP:Vandalism. Vandalism is deliberate efforts to harm the encyclopedia. There are many legitimate reasons to remove content, including a lack of sourcing or inappropriate sourcing, or overly promotional wording like directly telling the reader to visit a store to preorder. Either way, the beta is now mentioned with an appropriate reliable secondary source. -- ferret (talk) 20:40, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

look on the bright side, in your effort to reduce information on wikipedia, you convinced somebody to both never donate again and never contribute anything. thank you for teaching me what wikipedians are like. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Advancedlamb (talk • contribs) 20:42, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

You're welcome. -- ferret (talk) 20:44, 18 December 2019 (UTC)