User talk:Fetchcomms/Archive 11

h t u s m g

Archive 5

←

Archive 9

Archive 10

Archive 11

Archive 12

Archive 13

→

Archive 15

ARCHIVES       

• Archive 1 (2 October 2009 – 2 December 2009)
• Archive 2 (2 December 2009 – 2 January 2010)
• Archive 3 (2 January 2010 – 2 February 2010)
• Archive 4 (2 February 2010 – 2 March 2010)
• Archive 5 (2 March 2010 – 2 April 2010)
• Archive 6 (2 April 2010 – 2 May 2010)
• Archive 7 (2 May 2010 – 2 June 2010)
• Archive 8 (2 June 2010 – 2 July 2010)
• Archive 9 (2 July 2010 – 2 August 2010)
• Archive 10 (2 August 2010 – 2 September 2010)
• Archive 11 (2 September 2010 – 2 October 2010)
• Archive 12 (2 October 2010 – 2 November 2010)
• Archive 13 (2 November 2010 – 2 December 2010)
• Archive 14 (2 December 2010 – 2 January 2011)
• Archive 15 (2 January 2011 – 2 February 2011)
• Archive 16 (2 February 2011 – 2 March 2011)
• Archive 17 (2 March 2011 – 2 April 2011)
• Archive 18 (2 April 2011 – 2 May 2011)
• Archive 19 (2 May 2011 – 2 June 2011)
• Archive 20 (2 June 2011 – 2 July 2011)
• Archive 21 (2 July 2011 – 2 August 2011)
• Archive 22 (2 August 2011 – 2 September 2011)
• Archive 23 (2 September 2011 – 2 October 2011)
• Archive 24 (2 October 2011 – 2 November 2011)
• Archive 25 (2 November 2011 – 2 December 2011)
• Archive 26 (2 December 2011 – 2 January 2012)
• Archive 27 (2 January 2012 – 2 February 2012)
• Archive 28 (2 February 2012 –2 January 2014)
• Archive 29 (2 January 2014 –5 May 2016)

Please use this to leave me a new message:

Thanks and FYI

Hi Fetch -

Thanks for the review. I am making progress (not a flat-out rejection!). Your input was much better than the "help" I did NOT receive previously. I will try to get this back w/in the time allocated.

Regards -

Bonnie —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bonnie0718 (talk • contribs) 14:04, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

OK, and if you don't address all the issues within a day or two, and it is declined again, just resubmit the article using the code {{subst:AFC submission/submit}}.

Some expanded thoughts on your article:

• Please try to maintain encyclopedic coverage. As I said in the review, mentioning individual cats' stories isn't necessary to the article and isn't very encyclopedic. That entire section about residents should be removed.
• Please also try to maintain encyclopedic tone. A lot of it sounds a bit on the promotional side, such as "As is true for most great love stories, Tabby’s Place has a humble beginning" (that can be removed altogether), "Tabby's Place depends on the generosity of an international support base" (just say "Tabby's Place is funded by international donors"), "As an adoption center, it continues to serve as the perfect spot to find a loving pet, as Jonathan and Sharon Rosenberg intended" (perfect, loving, and intended are all expressions of opinion, not verifiable facts), "A model sanctuary, Tabby's Place exceeds the services offered at many sanctuaries" (calling it a model is an opinion; that sentence is really a complete opinion), and "Tabby was a well-cherished cat, which made life-altering day when the family learned that their beloved Tabby was stricken with untreatable squamous cell carcenoma" (well-cherished, life-altering, and beloved are all unnecessary as they are, again, opinion. Using words like stricken isn't recommended either—just say the plain facts that are supported by the references, like "Tabby was diagnosed with squamous cell carcenoma"). The above examples aren't all the instances where the article could be reworded or toned down, but I hope they will serve as a guide to help you revise the article.
• Many of the references are not considered reliable. Using other Wikipedia articles as a reference is strongly discouraged; Wikipedia is not considered a reliable source even by its own users. Also, please don't use YouTube, which is not reliable, or references to online dictionaries—references are meant to back up and verify all the material in the article, and unless you are mentioning the definition itself and letting someone verify that definition, using the dictionary reference is redundant to simply linking the word to its relevant Wikipedia article for others to read. Also, using the sanctuary's own website is not recommended; it is a primary source. Good sources can be news articles, books, magazines, journals, etc. but they need to be independent of the topic of the article. Just remember that the sources are meant to back up specific material in article, so (going back to this sentence) "In his fifteen years with the Rosenbergs, Tabby was a well-cherished cat, which made life-altering day when the family learned that their beloved Tabby was stricken with untreatable squamous cell carcenoma [48]" includes a reference to a webpage about the disease, but that page does not actually say that Tabby had the disease, which is the fact in question. Quite a few of your references seem to be like this; they need to support the material in the article, not provide extra details about a certain word or item. For that sentence about Tabby, a possible source could be a magazine article talking about the sanctuary, which mentions Tabby and says that she had sqaumous cell carcenoma. If no such source exists (for that sentence or any other sentence), please remove the sentence as it is not verifiable material.
• I realize that the above may cause a large portion of your article to be removed, but it is necessary for Wikipedia to maintain its goals of verified material, reliable sourcing, and encyclopedic material. Some news sources you may have overlooked can be found at this link.
• One last note: did you personally take the pictures in the article? If you did, no worries. If not, that does not necessarily mean we cannot use them, but it will be much more complicated. If you got the images off their website, or someone else took them, they are likely copyrighted and we will need to delete them, as Wikipedia can only accept freely-licensed images (that is, not copyrighted under "All Rights Reserved"). If you obtained permission to use them under a free license, please tell me and we can figure that out. On the image description pages, you said that you took the pictures and have released them into the public domain, but I know that the upload form is very confusing (we're working on a new version!) and that often users choose the wrong choices by accident or without knowing, so I just wanted to make sure.
• If you have any more questions or concerns, please reply here. Apologies for the long message! Thank you, —fetch·comms 22:00, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Hi Fetch and THANKS for the considerable trouble you went through to help. Of course, the newbie I am, I reworked and resubmitted before seeing said comments! I will forge on with your guidance in mind!

The pix are from pooled (mine are part of the pool) source of free-use images that folks working at Tabby's take (volunteers). It's great getting an image of a cat receiving socialization or physical therapy when it's working! I have to share one of their blogs about one of my project kitties, Cypress (and yes, that is my hand being licked by a formerly completely feral kitty): http://www.tabbysplace.org/felis-catus/2010/07/26/secret-lovers-trey-cypress/

Finally here's something undeniably cute/cats truly rescued from hopeless situations (and why I so desperately want to get this article published): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcrZ_9GNfXQ ("Tashi," the paraplegic kitty from the media coverage cited in my article, once on a euthanasia list) and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyb3PmBOq_U&feature=channel ("Bronx" rescued literally from the Bronx municipal dumps, scheduled for euthanasia).

Have a wonderful rest of the week and regards -

Bonnie Bonnie0718 (talk) 16:34, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

OK, if you took the pictures used, it should be no problem. Keep working on the article some (there are a few more parts that could be reworded, such as "Cats are assured affection, a homelike environment, and uncompromising medical care"—assured/uncompromising are opinion, and some of the sources need to be reworked, as you still have a YouTube one and several definitions that aren't relevant to the facts in the sentences, such as http://www.chesternj.org/ : the sentence is about cats being rescued from the town; the reference goes to the town's website, which does not talk about the cats or help back up the info in that sentence. Also, you sometimes link to a website's home page; please try to link to specific pages on a website; i.e., rather than link to example.com, link to example.com/specific_page.)

Thanks for the links! It looks like a fun place. The article should be fine once the last few issues are worked out. —fetch·comms 16:51, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

OK, Fetch - I've been combing and deleting (gues I worked too hard on the wrong things!). I had to link to the TP newsletter on a couple of occasions because it is the sole place anything is written on the issue! I hope you will agree with my changes and, as always, I appreciate your guidance and counsel. And yes - it is a fun place. If you ever get to NJ... ;) Regards - Bonnie Bonnie0718 (talk) 00:03, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Fetchcomms. You have new messages at Nolelover's talk page.
Message added 15:03, 2 September 2010 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Nolelover 15:03, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Re: Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Randi_Harper

Hi, exactly which of the listed sources do you consider not acceptable, and which info would be acceptable without another source (I'm hoping "birthdate", as she's only made that public on pages under her own control)?

Just so I know which ones I have to replace / which info to take out before resubmitting. :-)

I sure hope the links from freebsd.org and twit.tv as well as FLOSS Weekly#Shows are acceptable. I could additionally offer http://www.bsdcan.org/2009/schedule/events/126.en.html and http://www.bsdcan.org/2009/schedule/speakers/104.en.html for a start.

Please reply here, as the IP I am writing from is a dynamic IP. :-) -- 188.98.137.254 (talk) 15:44, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Well, LinkedIn and MySpace are not considered reliable (social networking sites, content not reviewed, etc.), you can't really cite a Flickr search as a source, you shouldn't cite Wikipedia either, and the others are all primary sources. The twit.tv ones are podcasts of her speaking, while the BSD ones are all affiliated with her work. What we're looking for is something reliable, but also independent. Good sources can be news articles, books, magazines, journals, etc. They can be both online or in print, although the latter requires details like date, author, title, publisher, etc.

One other thing about the article is that it doesn't really say why she is notable, or why she should have a Wikipedia article. Has she won awards, achieved something major in her field, etc.? If so, please include that with a source. Thanks! —fetch·comms 21:31, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

October drive

Sorry, guys. The wikification drive has been bumped to October. You might have noticed already, however. I'm amazed how many people came on as soon as I sent out the invite. With a few more, we can easily meet our goal. Just remember. Concentrate your firepower on the 2008 articles, and you should have no problems. Great work! Also, if you have time, please also invite other users to participate. Thanks!

Delivered by MessageDeliveryBot on behalf of WikiProject Wikify at 21:05, 2 September 2010 (UTC).

Re:File:Wiki.PNG

Hello, Fetchcomms. You have new messages at Fastily's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

-FASTILY ^(TALK) 23:09, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Rorschach

As you mentioned DD and topic-banning, you may be interested in Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Rorschach_Test_(2010)#Statement_2_by_roux --Cybercobra (talk) 23:50, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Your userboxes

Hello. I noticed that one or more of your userboxes are outdated (such as the not admin) or duplicated (where you spend too much time on your userpage). Hazard-SJ ^Talk 19:40, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Hello. They are userboxes. I really don't give a shit. Bye, —fetch·comms 20:32, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Also

Also, please archive this page. Hazard-SJ ^Talk 19:41, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

I was about to do that. But after all, it's my talk page and it's not your concern (it's not even 100 threads yet 9_9). Thanks for the notice, but it wasn't necessary. I know when to archive my talk page. —fetch·comms 20:34, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Help me

I still don't know how to use Twinkle even though I installed it. Wayne Olajuwon (chat) 21:31, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Did you read this page? Basically, you get extra buttons (tabs in monobook skin, buttons in a drop-down menu in vector skin) and they do various things: CSD, etc. Please read the documentation for pictures of the what clicking the buttons will do. —fetch·comms 21:36, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

I use Internet Explorer and that's maybe why it doesn't work. Wayne Olajuwon chat 22:06, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, IE is absolutely horrible and doesn't support most Wikipedia gadgets/scripts. Please stop using it if you can! (I recommend Google Chrome or Mozilla Firefox, both are free). If you're stuck with it, sorry :( But not using scripts and doing things manually is good for building a better understanding of why automated scripts can be bad. —fetch·comms 22:09, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

RE: AfC clerk bot

Hello, Fetchcomms. You have new messages at I-20's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

I have tested some code for the redirect tagging code. —I-20the highway 22:01, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for the information with the {{helpme}} template. ill be sure to nowiki it next time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Orangemohawk (talk • contribs) 22:25, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Sorry

I'm sorry for all of the incessant helpme-ing. Wayne Olajuwon chat 00:46, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Please just use it for its intended use :) —fetch·comms 00:50, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

I'll remember that to use it for its intended use. Wayne Olajuwon chat 00:52, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Fetch, note {{helpme-innap}}.  ℳono  21:47, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

IP address unblock request

Hi fetchcomms! I heard the IP address 98.177.155.42 got blocked. He requests to be unblock at this time. He promises to stop damaging wikipedia, and will just make the useful ones instead. The blocking administrator was Ckatz, so can you discuss the block with that admin? Thank you.

68.98.69.218 (talk) 02:25, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Nice try. —fetch·comms 02:27, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

User:WOS2014

Hey fetchcomms, you Welcomed me a few months back. How are you? I'm here because I have a question. I uploaded a logo I made, which incorporated one single aspect that I did NOT make, but WAS released in to public domain. The first time I published it, it IMMEADIATELY got removed (by a rather rude admin.) They claimed it was "clearly copyrighted material." So what should I do? reupload it as Public Domain material? Thanks for your help, and the "fruit basket!" :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by WOS2014 (talk • contribs) 04:26, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

WOS2014

In addition to the above, WOS2014 (talk · contribs) used a {{helpme}}, but actually directed their question to you by name, 'coz you welcomed them. I've answered their query (hopefully correctly), so this is just a FYI thing. User_talk:WOS2014#Help_with_file.  Chzz  ►  19:28, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Hello, Fetchcomms. You have new messages at Moonriddengirl's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Category

Thanks for taking care of that. I'll get back into the article creation groove one of these days. Useight (talk) 16:12, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

BlackImperial name-jumping again

Hi Fetch. You remember BlackImperial of "Young Jonii" infamy? He recreated it a couple times more after the ANI closed, once trying to evade the salting you applied by creating it in mainspace as "Yung Jonii". Then when it got speedied from his userspace he created a new account (again). Reminders of all except the new account here, if needed. His new account is Zero.hack (talk · contribs). His first three non-userspace edits [1][2][3] to had to be reverted; I did two, but someone else beat me to one. Then he went on to create ... well, you'll see the effect of his subsequent work on his new talk page. He did have an admin delete the user page for BlackImperial, btw, but he certainly knows better by now than to just create a new account whenever he gets "bad press" for actions using the old one. You told him BlackImperial was the only account he could use, and I know I told him somewhere that if he ever found himself considering creating another account that he should first ask at the help desk whether his reason for wanting to do so was a permissable one. I've run out of good faith for this guy; he knows what he's doing. I put a note on his new talk page telling him to stop using the new account and go back to BlackImperial. But do you mind intervening again, as well? I'll e-mail brief additional documentation to you. Thanks,  – OhioStandard (talk) 21:48, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Blocked per your note and this. —fetch·comms 21:55, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

The help desk archives? Sheesh. Thanks.  – OhioStandard (talk) 22:03, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

what you said at ANI

Telling me about my maturity levels is not respectful, that is maybe how you would talk to a kid. Inka ⁸⁸⁸ 03:10, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

I never said anything about your maturity level. I mentioned the maturity level I would have associated you with had to you continued to ask for rollback. Note my use of "If". Please do not take my words out of context. Thank you.

By the way, I'm asking you nicely to try and make sure you type "I" rather than "i", which does make you look a bit like a child (at least, from a writing sort of view). If you ever delve into content work, you'll realize that proper spelling and grammar (particularly capitalization) when talking with others can improve their first impression of what your work will look like.

I'm even going to go so far as to ask you to remove, for now, the userbox that says "This user acts like he/she is an administrator on the English Wikipedia but really isn't.", because it's sort of evident from the first AN/I thread that this isn't really what the community thinks. I'm asking you nicely, and this is not meant to cause you any offence (nor is it required by any means, as your userboxes are your userboxes), but displaying that under the current circumstances does not really help to improve others' view of you.

I hope you take the advice given by me and others. —fetch·comms 03:26, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Oh, and this page is useful. Maturity does not apply solely to children. —fetch·comms 03:27, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

I removed the userbox for now. Inka ⁸⁸⁸ 21:14, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks...

...for your contribution to the article anti-laser! Chrisrus (talk) 04:51, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Could you please explain...

You closed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ashley Kirilow.

It is my understanding that {{afd}}s are not votes, and that closing admins are supposed to evaluate the arguments, pro and con, on their merits. It is my understanding that closing administrators have the authority to discount various kinds of arguments, including:

• counter-policy arguments;
• nonsensical arguments;
• arguments at odds with the documented facts.

Your closure offers no clues as to whether you discounted any of the arguments offered.

The initial nomination claimed Kirilow was the subject of a single newspaper article. This was an argumen at odds with the documented facts.

When it was pointed out that this wasn't so the nominator then claimed she was a blp1e. I addressed the blp1e claim. No one, including two subsequent contributors, who echoed the claim Kirilow was a blp1e, addressed my counterpoints.

It seems to me that this is not how our decisions are supposed to be made. Our decisions are supposed to be arrived at through discussion. A consensus can only be arrived at through an exchange of views. When the parties holding the majority view simply ignore the inconvenient counter-arguments of a minority then I think it is a serious mistake to describe accepting the majority view as accepting a consensus.

Supposing, for the sake of argument, that my counter-arguments to the blp1e claim were invalid, I suggest it is clearly in the in interests of the project as a whole for someone to explain to me why my counter-argments were invalid. I certainly don't want to go around repeating the same mistakes, and as a prolific contributor, it is in the interest of the project for someone to try to explain why my counterarguments were invalid.

Since those who voted to delete all claimed blp1e, can I assume that if something you were prepared to accept was a second event were to occur, you would agree to restore the article, without a DRV? If so, what would you accept as a second event?

Kirilow has received death threats, as have her remaining supporters. Would you agree that if RS documented that someone killed her, or tried to kill her, that this would be a 2nd event? Would you agree it was a second event if anti-Kirilow elements merely tried to harm her, or one of her few remaining supporters?

A leading psychotherapist described Kirilow as an example of a person suffering from Munchausen by internet. Would you regard this as a 2nd event if the psychotherapist wrote an article that described Kirilow's case? What if they wrote a book?

Several RS documented that legitimate, mainstream charities were experiencing or anticipated a drop-off in their online donations due to the negative publicity associated with Kirilow's fraudulent online donation efforts. Neither the nominator, or any of those contributors who cast a blp1e vote, explained why they didn't recognize this phenomenon as a separate event. Is there some additional number of RS you would require before you recognized the effect Kirilow's fraud had on real charities as a 2nd event?

As the closing administrator, who accepted the blp1e votes without question or comment, and who discounted my counter-arguments, without explanation, who do you think I should call upon for an explanation of the reasoning behind your conclusion of the {{afd}}? Geo Swan (talk) 15:02, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

The first keep comment was based on the timing of the AfD (which shouldn't play a deciding role in the AfD outcome), and the claim that there was some big media reaction in Canada, though no evidence was given for that statement. Your statement about local stories doesn't really have to do with NOTNEWS; an earthquake can be recorded by various international agencies but still be "routine" enough to be notable for Wikipedia. The quote says that because the scheme involved cancer, she became famous worldwide, but that does not say anything about being forgotten later on. Your Durham Region News source isn't really "significant" in its coverage of this event, but it does provide some context for similar stories. Perhaps you should simply write a new article about the actual event, with a section about Kirilow. She personally has not received much coverage for anything but this scam; your comment in the AfD was about the effect of her fraud, not her person. Even if someone tried to kill her, or if someone wrote an article about her behavioral state, that doesn't make her much more notable, as these events aren't themselves really notable enough to be a second event. (Now, maybe if she escaped from custody during the trial and tried to <probable BLP violation removed>...) The fact that charities were experiencing difficulties after Kirilow's fraud should go into an article about the fraud, not her. The last two comments in the AfD mention that there was an event: the fraud itself. We're not going to have a separate article on Effects of Ashley Kirilow fraud on charities, but as that is an indirect result of the fraud, we can have an article on that and include details of both Kirilow and the other charities. While BLP1E says "single event", I think it's quite a stretch to call the effects she had on charities a separate event. Could we have an article about a "run-of-the-mill" rapist and say there were two events, the physical rape and then the emotional distress felt by the victim, later causing her to commit suicide? No one recognized that this was a separate event because, frankly, it's not major enough to really constitute a separate event. Kirilow's article focused heavily on her fraud, which the AfD seems establish encompasses the aftereffects. The fact that no one did mention a separate event means that consensus is that the effects weren't separate "enough" from the fraud itself.

Shorter version: rather than worry about the existence or forthcoming of a second event, just write about the event and add sections about her and the charities' issues. I'll give you the deleted text, if you want it. —fetch·comms 23:46, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Updating a Logo

Hello, I wanted to submit a newer/revised logo for a specific page. I don't want to mess anything up an saw your information as the last poster. What do i do from here? Just upload the photo? Submit it for verififcation? K. Johnson,

Thanks in advance

131.96.64.221 (talk) 16:20, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Hi; you'll need an account to upload a new logo, but if you give me a link to both the Wikipedia page and a website where I can see the new logo, I can upload it for you. Thanks, —fetch·comms 00:50, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

More thanks

Thanks for fixing the reference numbering problem at Cape Verde --Fartherred (talk) 03:47, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Automatically logged off

Why do sometimes I'm automatically logged off from Wikipedia? Wayne Olajuwon chat 20:06, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Session management issues. See also Internet cookie. —fetch·comms 02:01, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Help me. Radiopathy •talk• 02:07, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

With what? I can't fix Wikipedia's session management for you. —fetch·comms 02:10, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Humour...don't you see who started this thread? Radiopathy •talk• 02:15, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

I don't get it... —fetch·comms 02:18, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Neither do I oO ResMar 02:51, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

This should help. Radiopathy •talk• 03:20, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Oh. I kind of get it now... —fetch·comms 03:24, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Breakfast at Tiffany's (song)

I don't know what you want to do about the pending changes settings, but this article was in fact vandalised just a couple of edits prior to yours. Cheers. Radiopathy •talk• 02:05, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Are you sure? Seems like they added something, self-reverted, then Bearian (talk · contribs) undid that, adding it back, then you reverted it back to the original. No evidence that it was vandalism, or you would be blaming Bearian, too. Probably an incorrect, but good-faith edit, to me. That should have been passed in PC anyway. But there was no real vandalism for the article, so I removed protection as there was no need for it any more. Plus, the PC trial is technically over. —fetch·comms 02:12, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

You are right. I should have assumed good faith. Radiopathy •talk• 02:16, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

This might interest you!

Take a look at Tommy's comment, do you agree with what he's saying? I will continue reverting blatant vandals until i get your point of view on this, due to the fact that you threatened to revoke my rights if i didn't revert Only Blatant Vandals Thanks, - Dwayne was here! ♫ 20:45, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

1. I don't really think IAR is something to use when comparing policy over guidelines, but trolling is often vandalism anyway. For obvious and complete spam (G11'able), you can revert it, but it's not not actually "vandalism" by the standard definition, so, yes, different edit summaries/warnings are needed. Use common sense when doing that, though; if there is useful sourced information, reword it, not remove it.
2. You should continue to revert blatant vandals because it is the right thing to do, not only because you got your rights threatened.
3. I'm pretty sure just asking Tommy what he meant would have cleared this up. He left the comment, and he's a pretty experienced vandal fighter. —fetch·comms 21:29, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Okay, just wanted to bring this to your attention, thanks for clarifying :-) - Dwayne was here! ♫ 21:36, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

RfA thanks spam

Hello Fetchcomms, thank you for supporting my RfA!
I was promoted with a final tally of 65/4/3.
I hope I can live up to everyone's expectations, do my best for Wikipedia, and take to heart the constructive criticism. Always feel free to message me if I'm around.

Magog the Ogre (talk) 11:20, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Tabby's Place

Hi Fetchcomms! I just can't express our appreciation for your help - above and beyond the "call!" Everyone at Tabby's Place was thrilled to finally be on the WikiMap, so to speak. I've learned a great deal (again) from this process. I may even undertake another one some day. Until then, have the happiest and enjoy this process of accurately recording life on planet Earth! Best regards - BonnieBonnie0718 (talk) 14:59, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Reply

Hello, Fetchcomms. You have new messages at Talk:Michael Brennan (field hockey).
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Guoguo12--Talk--  16:56, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Sideways

Excuse me, why are you deleting Sideways!? 75.142.152.105 (talk) 19:40, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sideways (Transformers). The page in the deletion reason was moved and deleted, so this link is the correct one. —fetch·comms 01:41, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

But you can't delete Sideways (Transformers), but you gotta recreate Sideways (Transformers) and you're gonna be sorry. 75.142.152.105 (talk) 04:28, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Threaten me again and you'll get a special present. It's been recreated as a redirect. —fetch·comms 12:46, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Secret pages 2

Because you participated in Wikipedia talk:What Wikipedia is not/Archive 34#Does WP:NOTMYSPACE apply to secret pages?, you may be interested in Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Secret pages 2. Cunard (talk) 07:07, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Advice please

Hi.

I've been looking for a random Admin to help me with something.

A while back I was the victim of an WP:OUTING (I am a registered user but I didn't want to post using it in case he wiki stalks me). There was nothing malicious about it so I got all the info removed from my page history and continued on my way.

Unfortunately me and the other user tend to edit the same pages and we have come to the point where I am ashamed to say that some of our edits have ended in an edit war, so I got blocked. Fair enough, I deserved it.

Now I'm afraid to edit any pages he edits as he knows my real name, my job, my previous job etc etc etc.

I'm not trying to run from my history (my block), but I wan't to retire my old account and create a new one and start again, trying to avoid him (this should be made slightly easier as he is currently in line for an indef block, but he also has a history for socking).

My question is, is it okay for me to do this? In theory would this be classed as a sock account of my main account and therefore against the rules?

Thanks

S —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.182.164.129 (talk) 13:25, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Email the Arbitration Committee ( arbcom-llists.wikimedia.org ) and tell them your username, and your planned new username. If they say it's OK, then it's OK. If not, then it's not. That's all I'm able to help with, unfortunately. —fetch·comms 00:57, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! I've done that. We'll see how it goes, I just needed to know who to ask. I'm sorry I had to come to you, but I wanted to use an admin that wasn't involved in the other persons case so the user was less likely to track this message down. It took me a while to find an active admin who wasn't involved.... S 93.182.148.54 (talk) 09:05, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Mike Shepherd (music producer)

Re: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Brillpappin&redirect=no

I wasn't all that familier with the procedures and simply had a few minutes to fix something. Now that it was changed, can it be fixed by someone that does now the procedures?

By the way, that copyright reason for using move doesn't make much sense to me... isn't it all under the same copyright when entered into the Wiki?

brill (talk) 14:42, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

I already fixed the move. Yes, the text is under the same copyright. However, that copyright requires attribution of the text, so if you copy it from one Wikipedia page to another without specifying the original source page, that breaches the copyright terms, as it would then be unattributed to the original source/author. —fetch·comms 01:16, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Friend Police Department (Nebraska)

Thanks for closing the AfD on the above page, the information about the police station is already there (see this edit) - I don't see the page name being a likely search term so should the page just be deleted ? Codf1977 (talk) 09:36, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Redirects are cheap. If you want, just redirect and tag for R3. —fetch·comms 15:00, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks and Done. Codf1977 (talk) 15:32, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Clarisworks-1.0-spread-win.png

⚠

Thanks for uploading File:Clarisworks-1.0-spread-win.png. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

PLEASE NOTE:

• I am a bot, and will therefore not be able to answer your questions.
• I will remove the request for deletion if the file is used in an article once again.
• If you receive this notice after the image is deleted, and you want to restore the image, click here to file an un-delete request.
• To opt out of these bot messages, add {{bots|deny=DASHBot}} to your talk page.
• If you believe the bot has made an error, please turn it off here and leave a message on my owner's talk page.

Thank you. DASHBot (talk) 05:29, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

GOCE newsletter

Greetings from the Guild of Copy Editors Backlog Elimination Drive! GOCE September 2010 backlog elimination drive progress graphs Participation report — We have 71 participants in the September drive. 95 people signed up for the July drive, and in May we had 36. Progress report — We have been making solid progress in eliminating the 2008 articles from the backlog so far. If we continue to focus our firepower we can completely wipe out 2008 from the queue. Overall volumes are lower than expected though, with nearly a thousand articles yet to be done if we are to meet our overall target. If you have not yet participated in the drive, we recommend you do so. If each person who signed up edits one article per day from now till the end of the month we can eliminate another 1,065 articles from the backlog. All contributions are appreciated. Announcement: credit for 10k+ articles — Participants editing a 10k word article may claim credit for two 5k+ articles on the leaderboard. Those that edit a 15k word article may claim credit for three. Regardless, the article is still counted as a single article in the tallies. Reminder — Articles from the Requests page can be included in your tally, even if they do not have a copy edit tag. This is a great place to go if you are interested in finding a higher quality article to work on. This newsletter was prepared for the GOCE by Diannaa (Talk), S Masters (talk),  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK, and The Raptor Let's talk.

Delivered by MessageDeliveryBot on behalf of The Guild of Copy Editors at 15:06, 15 September 2010 (UTC).

Fetchcomms

Thank you :):):):) for the support vote :) Wifione _....... ^{Leave a message} 19:08, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

The whole Darius Dhlomo thing

Hey fetch, I'd like to help check articles, but I'm not sure how CCI checking works. Take this article, for example. First off, how would you check this article for a CR violation? Just googling the lead sentence to see if it pops up anywhere? I assume you'd check the refs, but what else? Thanks -- Nolelover 22:19, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

It's quite complicated. For articles like that one, the tables probably aren't going to be vios (they aren't presented in any creative fashion or whatnot, I think), so check the individual sentences on Google, and anything that sounds suspicious, like written in a news-y tone or anything else that doesn't quite fit. Large chunks of text like that are an immediate tip-off; sometimes, some sources are used repeatedly, such as athlete databases; some wording of phrases are also repeatedly (boilerplate text). The article you linked isn't a vio as far as I can see. If you aren't sure still on what exactly to do, or if you see an article you're not sure about, try asking Moonriddengirl or VernoWhitney. CCI requires a lot of effort and mistakes aren't good, so don't be tempted to rush at all. —fetch·comms 03:04, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Ahh, thanks. So briefly, would these three articles be an example of "boilerplate text"? The leads are very similar, with information not relevant to that season. And would simply removing that text be enough? Nolelover 14:11, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Sometimes, ledes are going to be similar due because they should be organized per the MOS, etc. Try to look at the revisions at the time of Darius' edits; they are going to show the most likelihood of vios. For the articles you showed, it is very possible for the second paragraphs of each lede to be a cv; I could not find any online sources for them though, but you can remove it as "irrelevant", "unsourced", etc. —fetch·comms 14:17, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! Nolelover 14:46, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

question

My user page is semi protected and it is also move protected, when I put the move protection top-icon on the page it overlaps the semi protection top-icon; how do you prevent this from happening? --Inka⁸⁸⁸ 02:44, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Get the base code and adjust the margin spacing. There's no real need for that template, though. It's not like anyone needs to be moving your userpage around anyway... —fetch·comms 03:14, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean by base code. --Inka⁸⁸⁸ 03:17, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Instead of using the template, get the raw wikicode that the template uses, then adjust that code. As I said, if you don't know how to do that just yet, it's such a trivial, inconsequential detail that you don't need to worry about it right now. —fetch·comms 03:22, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Sorry for taking so long to respond, Is it really that complicated all I'm trying to do is have both lock top-icons coexisting the same way they are here --Inka⁸⁸⁸ 21:46, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)Yes, it is that complicated. Airplaneman ✈ 01:26, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Would the same code on that page apply to what I'm trying to do on my user page? --Inka⁸⁸⁸ 01:47, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Do you just want me to do it for you? Because you're still not getting it. Again, if you don't understand how to do it now, stop worrying over such a little detail that doesn't matter. —fetch·comms 12:34, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

You got there first

• I came to the same conclusion as you, although I had a wordier explanation. [4]. Oh how I hate edit conflicts. Best wishes. Mandsford 01:07, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

• Sorry for stealing your thunder (and wasting your time writing it out) :( —fetch·comms 01:08, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Seasons Greetings

Ohhhhhhhhh, dear. I mean, arghhhhh. Gangway! The grub is waiting! —fetch·comms 00:44, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Fetchcomms. You have new messages at Inka 888's talk page.
Message added 03:35, 19 September 2010 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

I'm also an involved party, so I recommend letting a uninvolved Admin block him. It is annoying, I agree with you there, I just think he needs some more time. Thanks for considering. --intelati^(Call) 03:41, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

How much time would that be? Especially considering that numerous, polite requests (from more than just NH) to slow down and learn the ropes are being ignored? I think that "more time" should coincide with someone actively reviewing such reverts to undo any damage done. The last time this happened, when such actions were reviewed, it was determined that a very very sizable number were erroneously done. But that's just my suggestion. I've done my best to leave helpful tips and advice, and I do know that you've went above and beyond in that respect (for which you should be commended for), but I see no good if those tips are ignored. I tried helping prevent the loss of TW by suggesting how to use it better, and to slow down, and to be very cautious in what he was reverting, and the response I got was a (paraphrased) "thanks, but hope you dont mind if I ignore most of your advice"

Where to go from here? ROBERTMFROMLI ^TALK/_CNTRB 03:59, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

No idea. Maybe a slap in the face would help :/--intelati^(Call) 04:01, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Seems to have been resolved, to a point, now. I don't plan to be involved any more with him, unless he directly asks me a question. I do, however, still reserve the right to block him for however long is appropriate if his behavior worsens during mentorship. This is effectively his last chance. —fetch·comms 20:21, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Contesting you {{non-free reduce}} at File:Windows Internet Explorer 9.png

Hello, fetchcomms.

I thought I'd better give you the notice in your talk page too, since it is more polite than you just seeing it in your watchlist. You might like to see the new image description page for a reason. But we can always do the D part of BRD, can't we?

Thanks for the note. The extended rationale does make sense, yes, but could it possibly be reduced even a little, like to 800px wide? While showing the non-free content is key, sometimes, a slight loss of detail is still necessary. For example, we don't have album covers that are 700px wide so people can see the detailed artwork, we have them less than 400px wide so people can identify the cover. IE9 is fairly distinctive from IE8 and other browsers, so I don't think reducing it a bit will hurt its educational value or cause the viewer to not recognize elements of IE9. —fetch·comms 20:34, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Album cover art is a very good example, although perhaps you should see it in comparison:

In this image, the size of the non-free contents from Microsoft corporation (which are critical for the non-free use rationale) is 1020×66 pixels which is 0.06732 megapixels. (The rest is the free Wikipedia.) A 300×225 pixels screenshot is worth 0.0675 megapixels in whole which is slightly bigger. However, a normal 3:4 artwork cover reduced to 400 pixels width would have 400×533 pixels, which is 0.2132 megapixels in whole. As you can see, the non-free contents of this image is less than the non-free contents in a 400 pixels wide cover art (which normally consists of 100% copyrighted work) or 300×225 screenshot (comprised of 100% copyrighted work).

Given all above, I think the current size of this image is the minimum acceptable.

Fleet Command (talk) 21:15, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Very well, then. You have explained yourself adequately. —fetch·comms 21:18, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

4 minutes?

Fastest article creation I've ever had. Thank you very much. --184.99.171.157 (talk) 02:40, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for adding a new article. When an article is ready to go, well, it's ready to go. /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 02:41, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Well, I was going to add the categories and a Scroph stub tag.... --184.99.171.157 (talk) 02:42, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Heh, sorry for stealing your thunder. /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 02:44, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Pending changes/Straw poll on interim usage

Hi. As you recently commented in the straw poll regarding the ongoing usage and trial of Pending changes, this is to notify you that there is an interim straw poll with regard to keeping the tool switched on or switching it off while improvements are worked on and due for release on November 9, 2010. This new poll is only in regard to this issue and sets no precedent for any future usage. Your input on this issue is greatly appreciated. Off2riorob (talk) 23:34, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Bit late, there, aren't you? I voted hours ago. /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 01:02, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Tabby's Place

The DYK project (nominate) 06:03, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Lex and Terry

Maybe you want to comment at Wikipedia:Requests_for_undeletion#Lex_and_Terry.--Tikiwont (talk) 17:36, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Type message title here

Would you like to speak to me on the phone? I made an error but was fixing it.

JacobAbravanel (talk) 00:27, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes he would ;) Efcmagnew (talk) 01:23, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Hi, I have no clue who you are, why you are contacting me, or why you wish to speak to me on the phone. I respectfully decline your offer. /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 01:53, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

I own Wikipedia. Would you like me to delete you as an editor? LOL! Hey Jimbo! User:JacobAbravanel

And your new signature

...looks too cool :) Wifione _....... ^{Leave a message} 15:18, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks :) /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 15:21, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Agreed! :pepper 19:23, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Adopt-a-user reminder

Hello, I have completed a general cleanup of the adopter information page for the adopt-a-user project, located here. During my cleanup, I have removed several inactive and retired users. In order to provide interested adoptees with an easy location to find adopters, it is essential that the page be up-to-date with the latest information possible. Thus:

• If you are no longer interested in being an adopter, please remove yourself from the list.
• If you are still interested, please check the list to see if any information needs to be updated or added - especially your availability. Thank you.

• You are receiving this message because you are listed as an adopter here.

Delivered by MessageDeliveryBot on behalf of Netalarm (talk) at 03:35, 23 September 2010 (UTC).

DYK for Abe Jacobs

— Rlevse • Talk • 06:02, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

the Public Policy Initiative Assessment Team wants You!

Hi Fetchcomms,

As an online ambassador, I'm sure you are aware of Wikiproject: United States Public Policy, and I am glad for your interest in assessing articles with the Public Policy Initiative. There is more info about assessment on the 9/13/2010 Signpost. If you're interested or just curious you can sign up on the project page or just contact me. Thanks!

Thanks for joining the PPI Assessment Team. There is a request for you to review some articles and a description of assessment logistics on the WP:USPP Assessment Page. ARoth (Public Policy Initiative) (talk) 16:57, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

al.com resubmission

Hi,

I would like to submit an entry about al.com. It is a rewrite of a previously deleted entry, but contains only factual descriptions without the self-promoting info. Please let me know if okay to post. Thanks so much:

al.com is the online home of The Birmingham News, The Huntsville Times and Press-Register. Al.com is a subsidiary of Advance Internet, which is a unit of Advance Publications.

Overview al.com publishes Alabama news, sports, weather, entertainment, living, travel, business and politics. It also contains forums and community blogs.

History al.com was launched in September 1997, with CEO Cindy Martin hired a year prior to launch. From 1997 to 2001, al.com offices were located in Huntsville, Alabama. In 2001, al.com relocated to Birmingham, Alabama Offices are now located in the Pepper Place complex in Birmingham, Alabama.

External Links al.com

AllenRichards (talk) 17:58, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

The only thing I see missing is notability. Why is Al.com notable, or important enough, to have its own Wikipedia article? To be notable, a website should probably have either:

• Have had other publications discuss the website in-depth. That could be another news website reporting about Al.com itself (the website itself, not the The Birmingham News, The Huntsville Times and Press-Register), a book talking about the website itself, or a magazine article about the website.
• Won a well-known, major award from an independent organization.

Even the website of The New York Times does not have its own article. It is rather unusual for a news publication's website to be notable. Perhaps you can write about the website in one of the newspapers' articles or Advance Publications' article, but I do not think it is notable enough for its own article. However, doing this will still require you to back up and verify all the facts and information presented by citing independent sources, such as other news articles, books, and magazines. Regardless of whether it is its own article or whether it is included in another article, all information on Wikipedia should be verifiable by citing reliable, third-party sources (YouTube, Facebook, MySpace, etc. as well as its own website are not considered reliable or independent). /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 00:53, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Re: Signature :)

Hi fellow PPI member! Thanks for telling me about the picture in my signature. I have changed it. Have a great day! Canon Law Junkie §§§ Talk 19:28, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Portal peer review

As you've been through the mill of getting a portal to Featured status recently, if you got a chance to look in at Wikipedia:Portal peer review/Law of England and Wales/archive1 some time in the next couple of weeks, that would be lovely. Thanks, Bencherlite^Talk 20:16, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Uploading MO transit pictures

Greetings Fetchcomms. I want to ask for your help on uploading pictures in wiki commons, specifically flickr photos. I keep getting so fustrated over uploading transit pictures, I just want to pull my hair out. Can I ask for an example? Thank you for your time! (Jordan S. Wilson (talk) 21:17, 23 September 2010 (UTC))

Hi Jordan! I use an easy online tool to help me upload Flickr images. Here's basically how it works:

1. Make sure you are logged into Wikimedia Commons.
2. Make sure the Flickr image is under either the CC-BY license or the CC-BY-SA license. If you aren't sure, go to the next step.
3. Go to this page and fill in your username and the link to the Flickr page of the image.
4. Click next, and follow the directions there.
5. Once you save the page on Wikimedia Commons, make sure to click the link on that page so a robot will upload the image for you.
6. Done!

If you are not sure still, give me some Flickr links and I can upload them. /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 00:43, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Feedback - large increase in requests

The graph says it all, really; massive increase since we cleared the backlog and introduced a bit better system. As I've said before, it is a 'victim of its own success', I think. Currently, it is pretty backlogged.

Quite a few get missed, as you can see if you flick through the archives - but I don't know what we can do about that, really, other than hope more people give feedback.

The long-term solution would be to keep these editors; so many come to just create one article, and are never heard of again; if just a few of those stayed, and started giving feedback, then we'd have a more workable system.

I suggest discussion in this WT:FEED section. Cheers!

(I've send this message out to a small number of people that I think/hope will be interested; people who have given feedback, etc. if wrong, apologies, let me know.)

 Chzz  ►  00:05, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

question

A while back you told me to get a raw wikicode if I wanted to have both lock top-icons on my user page, Where would I get that code? --Inka⁸⁸⁸ 00:40, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Special:ExpandTemplates or by looking at the edit window for the templates in question. /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 00:42, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Simul- response. :)--intelati^(Call) 00:44, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

It says I should put a page name in there, which page put in there? --Inka⁸⁸⁸ 00:47, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Just ignore that. /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 00:50, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Ignore what? --Inka⁸⁸⁸ 01:25, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Uh, the field asking for the page name? /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 01:27, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Then how do I do this? --Inka⁸⁸⁸ 01:36, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

A while back, I also told you to ignore the whole thing if you didn't yet know how. One hour ago, I told you also to look at the edit window. Both comments still stand. /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 01:38, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean by edit window. Inka⁸⁸⁸ 01:45, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

[5]. /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 01:48, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Would I put the pp-move|small=yes there in double braces? Inka⁸⁸⁸ 01:58, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Maybe you should, like, oh, I don't know... try it without asking me to guide you on every single little itty-bitty step? That's called independent learning and increases one's clue level. It also means I can get stuff done without seeing the orange bar every ten minutes. If it doesn't work, try again. It's not going to break Mediawiki and the templates in question are fully-protected. If you can't be bold, please forget about your (non-)problem. /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 02:06, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry continue to bother you. I tried it (typing in pp-move|small=yes on Template:TEMPLATE NAME HERE) it's not working. Do you have any suggestions. --Inka⁸⁸⁸ 02:15, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

If I fix your icons for you, will you promise to not bother others about such minor issues any more? /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 02:18, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Sure. One thing where does one learn to do all these things, I've noticed your userspace is really good, are there pages that explain all these things. --Inka⁸⁸⁸ 02:21, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Learn html and read WP:MAGIC. /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 02:24, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Sure as in I promise I won't bother people about small things If you fix the icons. --Inka⁸⁸⁸ 02:43, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm working on it. /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 02:45, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Thank you very much. --Inka⁸⁸⁸ 02:53, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Signature

I'm torn about what to do. One the one hand, I'm violating the signature guideline because I use a template. On the other hand, if I use "full url", I think I will violate the character limit.

On the third hand, I've been posting at VP:T and at VP:M about the merits of this signature, and I feel like there is at least some hope that this concept will "catch on" in some way -- either by inspiring someone to develop some code that will make it work without violating our policies, or else by winning a consensus that it should be an exception to our policies.

My feeling is that, per WP:Bold, I can continue using this signature line on an experimental basis for maybe two or three weeks. At that point, if the code doesn't get written or the consensus doesn't change, I will most certainly switch to a non-offending signature line.

Let me know how this sounds to you ... I don't want to make trouble. AGradman / talk / how the subject page looked when I made this edit 04:17, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

I love the idea. But there's currently no way to do it as one cannot subst revisionids, so the history is the only way to go. But I looked at your signature, and using the code

<small>[[user:Andrew Gradman|AGradman]] / [[User talk:AConcernedChicken|talk]] / how the subject page <span class="plainlinks">[{{fullurl:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|offset={{subst:CURRENTTIMESTAMP}}&limit=1&action=history}} looked]</span> when I made this edit</small>

should work. It's 3 characters above the limit, so perhaps you could either remove the "User:Andrew Gradman" link (which is an unregistered username) and go directly to User:Agradman, or change "how the subject page" to "how this page". The issue with templates in signatures is, it causes server load every time a page is loaded, and any changes made the template will require a refresh of all those pages. Consensus probably won't change, even though the idea is faster than linking diffs all the time. /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 04:29, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Much appreciated! I'll make that change soon. AGradman / talk / how the subject page looked when I made this edit 04:34, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Hi, this is user:Agradman. So just to clarify your user script idea -- when someone types ~~~~, the script would wait until the tildes were converted into the signature and datestamp, and then it would use that datestamp as an input into {{Freeze/link}} and substitute that for the datestamp? I think that's a swell idea! The {{Freeze/link}} template becomes a substitute for the purpose served by the datestamp. 69.143.104.250 (talk) 15:48, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Basically, it would find any timestamps on the page, convert them to whatever format that the link in {{Freeze/link}} uses, and then links the timestamp text to that corresponding history entry. (You're not supposed to use {{Freeze/link}} by itself, according to the doc page, so I think that the javascript can just use the links without needing any template.) I'm not sure I'm explaining it well, so an example: /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 16:16, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

{{Freeze/link}} uses the corresponding non-talk page, so it shows the history of my userpage, and not this page, when you use it here. That's another reason why using just links is better. /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 16:19, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:User pages#Userspace Vandalism Sandboxes

Because you participated in a previous discussion about vandalism spaces, you may be interested in an ongoing RfC about vandalism spaces at Wikipedia talk:User pages#Userspace Vandalism Sandboxes. Cunard (talk) 19:24, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Block AFC clerk bot

Please block AFC clerk bot. Operator's request. User:I-20 as 24.178.137.65 (talk) 21:56, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Never mind, offending part removed. 24.178.137.65 (talk) 21:59, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

But you should now. Confirming my messages above. —I-20the highway 22:10, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Blocked. /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 22:13, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Template:Uw-sandbox

Whilst disappointed that this wasn't simply deleted via the TfD, at least it has been removed from Twinkle.

I wonder if we should also move it, so it is no longer 'uw-' ? What do you think?  Chzz  ►  02:19, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Merge with Template:Off-sandbox and Template:Sandbox-head, I think. (That is, redirect the others because the thing about the sandbox header is pretty much useless for warning.) And sure, it's not really a standard user "warning". Be bold and reword it then, I suppose, removing the whole thing about removing the header and whatnot. Maybe focus more on no attacking people there and stuff. /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 02:37, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Tried. [6].  Chzz  ►  14:49, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Wanna barnstar?

Please join!
Good morning! As we approach the launch date of the October Wikification Drive, we are seeking to recruit users who are dedicated to improving the encyclopedia. Users who participate will be awarded barnstars. Our goal is to clear 2050 articles from the backlog to leave 20,000, as well as clear 2008 entirely from the backlog. If you are interested in joining, please see the project page. If you have any questions, please direct them to the project's talkpage.

Delivered by MessageDeliveryBot on behalf of WikiProject Wikify at 06:02, 28 September 2010 (UTC).

Our old friend

Hi, Fetch! I notice our old friend of so many names, BlackImperial, quit editing right after he was caught out creating a fifth account (Zero.hack) in a ten-day (or so) span, to avoid scrutiny re his previous sanctions. But I very much doubt he really quit editing. Know any friendly checkusers who'd look for other accounts likely created by the same person?  – OhioStandard (talk) 09:55, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

CU is not for fishing; unless you have an similarly-editing account to compare it with, there's nothing anyone can do. /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 02:03, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

WikiCup 2010 September newsletter

We are half-way through our final round, entering the home straight. TonyTheTiger (submissions) leads at the time of writing with 1180 points, immediately followed by Sasata (submissions) with 1175 points. Sturmvogel_66 (submissions) closely follows in third place with 1100 points. For those who are interested, data about the finalists has been compiled at Wikipedia:WikiCup/History/2010/finalists, while a list of content submitted by all WikiCup contestants prior to this round has been compiled at Wikipedia:WikiCup/History/2010/Submissions. As ever, anything contestants worry may not receive the necessary attention before the end of the round (such as outstanding GA or FA nominations) is welcome at Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews, and please remember to continue offering reviews yourself where possible. As always, the judges are available to contact via email, IRC or their talk pages, and general discussion about the Cup is welcome on the WikiCup talk page.

Despite controversy, the WikiCup remains open. Signups for next year's competition are more than welcome, and suggestions for how next year's competition will work are appreciated at Wikipedia talk:WikiCup/Scoring. More general comments and discussions should be directed at the WikiCup talk page. One month remains in the 2010 WikiCup, after which we will know our champion. Good luck everyone! If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn, Fox and The ed17 23:03, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Pascalization

— Rlevse • Talk • 00:03, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

tb

Hello, Fetchcomms. You have new messages at Ctjf83's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

September 2010 Backlog Elimination Drive Conclusion

GOCE September 2010 backlog elimination drive progress graphs Greetings from the Guild of Copy Editors September 2010 Backlog Elimination Drive. Thanks to all who participated! Several of our top editors were called away to real life concerns during the month (be careful out there, people!). This meant that once again, we did not meet all our lofty targets, but we did come close. Stats Out of 76 registered editors, 45 actively participated. We nearly wiped out the 2008 articles from the backlog—there were only 13 remaining when the drive closed. We reduced the backlog by 725 articles (11.5%), so it was another successful drive. A total of 59 barnstars will be awarded to 40 editors—well done, and congratulations to all. Barnstars If you copy edited at least 4,000 words, you qualify for a barnstar. If you edited in the July 2010 GOCE Backlog Elimination Drive, you may have earned rollover words, which counted towards this month's barnstars (except for the leaderboard awards). Any unused word credits will be held over for the next drive, as long as you participated in the September drive. Over the course of the next week or two, we will be handing out the barnstars. Click here to see a list of barnstar winners. We will be holding our next drive in November. You can sign up here. A huge "thank you" to all editors who helped clear the backlog and to others who helped out behind-the-scenes. See you at the next drive, and until then, please continue to help us work through the backlog. Happy editing! Coordinator: ɳorɑfʈ Talk! Co-coordinators: Diannaa (Talk) and S Masters (talk). Newsletter by Diannaa (Talk) and The UtahraptorTalk to me/Contributions.

Delivered by MessageDeliveryBot on behalf of WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors at 07:21, 2 October 2010 (UTC).

---

Archive 5

←

Archive 9

Archive 10

Archive 11

Archive 12

Archive 13

→

Archive 15