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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Baalveer 3

Why delete and redirect? There was no argument in the AfD that the article had any problems except for notability/citations, and leaving the history intact under the redirect allows non admins to view the previous poor work in history and improve upon it. Please amend your close to just 'redirect' per WP:DGFA and restore the history under the redirect. Jclemens (talk) 06:05, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure I follow. The article had a notability issue, as you say, and arguments in favor of keep were well-countered by those in favor of deletion. The consensus was in favor of deletion, but a navigational redirect would be useful - hence delete and redirect. I don't see guidance on WP:DGFA indicating that this course was incorrect. Could you explain your thinking in more detail? If the material is desired for incorporation, I can put it in a sandbox, but I didn't see arguments for Merge in the discussion. —Ganesha811 (talk) 12:21, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

The main guidance in WP:DGFA not followed here is the bolded point #4: When in doubt, don't delete. Deletion to the point where something is not available to non-admins is absolutely indicated when something is hoax, copyvio, defamatory, or other BLP concerns. For things that are simply unreferenced and/or insufficiently referenced to demonstrate notability, outright deletion may well still be indicated when there is no redirect target. But in this case, we have an identified redirect target, a related topic, into which some of the material could conceivably be merged.

Here's the kicker: You don't need to see a preponderance of !votes for an outcome to assess that as consensus. As an admin, you're charged to do the best thing for the encyclopedia on the basis of policy-based opinions provided by the AfD participants. In this case, it is clear that the consensus is that notability has not been demonstrated, but it is also abundantly clear that there is a related topic into which the content may be merged: probably not, but at some point in the future an editor not participating in the AfD might want to expand the target article with content from the redirection. As you no doubt recall, primary sourced statements from a non-notable article can clearly be re-used in a notable article, as long as that article is not primarily composed of such statements.

By redirecting the article without deleting it, you provide a de facto deletion--the article is gone, redirected to the notable topic--while still allowing a potential future editor to use that non-notable material still present in history for either re-creating a separate article or merging content into the target article. This values appropriately the good-faith contributions of the editors who worked on the inadequate version by leaving it in history, but not visible to readers, and does not take up any additional database space to do so.

Does that adequately explain why a straight redirect rather than a delete-and-redirect is a more policy-based outcome for a non-notable topic with an identified redirect (and possibly merge) target? Jclemens (talk) 17:25, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

I see your point, and will bear it in mind in the future, but I'm not convinced that "redirect" is more policy-based than "delete and redirect", rather than simply being more convenient for editors. To put it simply, I wasn't in doubt in this case. However, no reason here not to make the content available for possible incorporation, as you say, so I've created User:Ganesha811/Baalveer3 and will drop a note on the talk page. Thanks for raising the issue. —Ganesha811 (talk) 17:50, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Tupou VI

Hello, sorry to bother you. You were the first one to review the article Tupou VI. I have edited the article since and would like you to review it if you have time. If you can't that's ok. History6042 (talk) 16:00, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

I'm afraid I don't have time right now, but good luck with a new GA nomination! —Ganesha811 (talk) 17:03, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Okay, thank you. History6042 (talk) 17:14, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Institute for Legislative Analysis Deletion

Good Evening, I am writing to let you know this is now the second time the Institute for Legislative Analysis page has been deleted. I am both requesting both its un-deletion and a review by admin into the past deletion actions on the basis of WP:COI.

Upon the original flagging of the page for deletion (roughly two weeks ago) I made a long list of edits in an attempt to appease those seeking the deletion for WP:ORGCRITE. I added these additional four sources to meet WP:ORGCRITE: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/new-conservative-group-grades-lawmakers-limited-government-principles-see-where-yours-stands; https://www.gillettenewsrecord.com/news/wyoming/article_17db6053-4975-5b50-b1e0-3fe3ef4e4317.html; https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/washington-secrets/2453025/nikki-haley-tops-limited-government-score-card/; https://marylandmatters.org/2023/06/14/political-notes-a-new-scorecard-gop-claims-vindication-in-poll-and-perezs-new-post/.

Despite the additions and edits made, these individuals still sought to delete ILA alleging it is not a notable organization. To be clear, any objective and rational review of the ILA’s work and influence confirms it is a major player in conservative politics. ILA’s CEO was recently named one of the 500 most influential people in public policy due to ILA’s work - https://www.washingtonian.com/2024/05/02/washington-dcs-500-most-influential-people-of-2024/?__cf_chl_tk=6efEngfVVSbtKjs3ytmihacmdrBsnFaeLcmivLKBr_E-1717299913-0.0.1.1-9001.

Plus, if that was all not enough, I learned a couple of days ago that the ILA is closely followed by Members of Congress. In fact, over two dozen U.S. Representatives posted about a recent ILA report in the last 48 hours alone. Upon reviewing a couple lawmaker posts, I learned that the ILA is actually an entity of the Conservative Partnership Institute – the most powerful MAGA org tied to President Trump and Mark Meadows. Therefore, I thought I could finally without a doubt put the entire debate to rest - there are countless articles that demonstrate the notability of CPI, including an extensive one from the New York Times. This solved every possible concern those seeking to delete ILA could have. I was in the process of adding additional documentation to the ILA page (such as financial disclosures on CPI and ILA with same address, members of Congress acknowledgement, etc.). However, before I could make the updates to the ILA page, it was deleted for yet the 2^nd time.

Since the ILA is one of the top players in conservative politics I could not understand why the page was coming under such attack for deletion. Therefore, I started looking at the profiles of those seeking its deletion. Interestingly, they appear to be philosophically progressive. While I am unsure if there is a political motivation behind their advocacy to delete the page, I think it is fair to say they probably do not have much understanding of conservative politics, especially compared to someone myself who closely follows conservative non-profits.

But perhaps even more interesting, when doing additional research into ILA’s financials, I found out that the American Conservative Union has filed a lawsuit against the ILA claiming multiple counts of “unfair competition in the marketplace”. Apparently, both of the orgs produce scorecards. And it just so happens that these deletion flags came around the same time as the filing of the lawsuit.

Thank you for your help in this matter and work to uphold the integrity of Wikipedia. Politicalorganizationjunkie (talk) 04:50, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello! Accusing other Wikipedians of acting out of political motivations, or implying that they are being paid by a rival organization, is not something that should be done lightly. I suggest you retract those remarks unless you have actual evidence of a COI. The page did not come "under attack" - it simply has been found to be non-notable. If you wish to contest that decision, WP:Deletion review is available, but I should warn you that you are not likely to have much success there in this case. I would also note that if ILA is a sub-organization of Conservative Partnership Institute (and you have reliable sources discussing the connection), why not just add a sentence or two to our article on CPI and create a redirect? —Ganesha811 (talk) 11:16, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from Samiali84 (11:02, 3 June 2024)

I run a website, and cover these type of topics like anime characters , movies and series. I want to create a my own wikipedia page about my website, is it possible? --Samiali84 (talk) 11:02, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Editing about something you have a connection to, or using Wikipedia for promotion, is strongly discouraged. I urge you to find other topics you're interested in to edit about. —Ganesha811 (talk) 12:17, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

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Question from UsernameNotIn (22:55, 7 June 2024)

Hello, mentor. So, this article(2024 Rio Grande do Sul Flood) says I can help translate it from the portuguese article, but it's protected to prevent vandalism. Can I edit it or not? If not, why is the "You can translate this" thing there if the page is protected? --UsernameNotIn (talk) 22:55, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Good question! You're right, those do contradict if you're a new editor, or an IP editor. That page is "semi-protected", which means your account needs to be at least 4 days old and have at least 10 edits to make changes. However, once you've reached those thresholds, you should be able to make changes. The Portuguese translation template is there to encourage more-experienced editors to keep improving the article. —Ganesha811 (talk) 23:10, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious

Four years!

Congratulations o your recent FA! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:54, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, Gerda! Can't believe it's been four years. —Ganesha811 (talk) 11:21, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from Alban2024 (09:54, 12 June 2024)

HI! How are you doing?

I want to edit this draft since it is in Albanian and can be done in english, can i do it?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Luan_muca --Alban2024 (talk) 09:54, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Yes, you should feel free to translate it from Albanian to English! This is the English Wikipedia, so all the articles need to be in English before being published. —Ganesha811 (talk) 11:13, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

It is also in English in another url: Draft:Luan Muça but it is declined

shall I translate this and re-submit? here is te albanian aprooved version of this subject: https://sq.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luan_Mu%C3%A7a

thank for help Alban2024 (talk) 13:24, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

I would take a look at the comments from reviewers on that draft. They have raised serious concerns which need to be addressed. It's possible that Muça simply is not notable enough to have an article on the English Wikipedia. —Ganesha811 (talk) 14:32, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

In fact, it is notable to have an article on English Wikipedia. There are a lot of articles in public domain talking about it.

You can have a look on google about it, if you find time

thanks Alban2024 (talk) 07:03, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from The salimm (18:07, 17 June 2024)

How do I create citation? --The salimm (talk) 18:07, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi! Welcome to Wikipedia. Try reading the following guide - it should be helpful: Help:Introduction to referencing with VisualEditor/1. —Ganesha811 (talk) 19:54, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from The salimm (18:09, 17 June 2024)

Hinduism, Buddhism, and Islam, saints differentiate them? --The salimm (talk) 18:09, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean, could you clarify? —Ganesha811 (talk) 19:54, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from Eduworldedu (13:35, 18 June 2024)

I am unable to edit --Eduworldedu (talk) 13:35, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Which page or topic area are you interested in editing? —Ganesha811 (talk) 14:30, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from Arifsadi285 on User:Arifsadi285 (16:57, 21 June 2024)

Hello how can i creat an article please guide me. --Arifsadi285 (talk) 16:57, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello! Any Wikipedian in good standing with a little experience can publish articles, but it is difficult to do so! I recommend starting out by making fixes to pages which already exist. What topics are you interested in editing about? —Ganesha811 (talk) 18:38, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

in re Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/AdaControl

That was premature. You closed this while I'm adding WP:RS to the article. Please reopen it. If that's not possible, I'd like to appeal the decision. Yappy2bhere (talk) 19:49, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi! I'm not willing to re-open the discussion, as consensus was clear. It had been open for weeks, including a full week after the last re-listing, so it was not premature. However, you are definitely welcome to improve the article and resubmit it, if you are confident you can find/add reliable, independent sources demonstrating notability. I've put the material from the article here so you can access it: User:Ganesha811/AdaControl - you could move it into your own namespace to work on the draft. If that isn't satisfactory, WP:DRV is always an option as well. Happy editing! —Ganesha811 (talk) 19:55, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

OK. Do I move it by renaming it (like moving an article), or is it more complicated than that because it's in user space? And yeah, relist then relist, but I didn't arrive to start adding support until well into the second relist. The current six cites from journals and conference proceedings should have been snowball, but I don't know who if anyone read them. Yappy2bhere (talk) 20:17, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

You can just copy the material and paste it into your own user space, and I'll then delete my version. —Ganesha811 (talk) 21:43, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

OK, done. When I've done what I can, does it follow the same path into main space as any other page developed in user space, or is there a different vetting process because it was once deleted and now needs its history restored? Yappy2bhere (talk) 04:46, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

It can follow the same path as any other page, but bear in mind it should be substantially different (i.e. improved) from the prior version which was deleted, or else it would be eligible for speedy deletion under WP:G4. And of course, someone may choose to nominate it for deletion again, and if a pattern of deletion and recreation emerges, it could eventually be salted. Good luck! —Ganesha811 (talk) 04:58, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

How does it work here?

Hi! I'm sorry for bothering you, but I still don't really get it. What type of questions am I supposed to ask here? Does it have to specifically be about editing? If you could give me a better explanation, I'd be fine.

Thank you for understanding. GeoTwode (talk) 01:58, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi and welcome to Wikipedia! You can ask me any questions you have about how to edit or how Wikipedia works. If you're unsure of whether to ask something, just go for it. —Ganesha811 (talk) 02:17, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from 3nhanc3dDimensions (12:14, 24 June 2024)

Hi - Okay so I'm trying to comply with the rules about being affiliated with an organisation who produce 3d film. I've not created a user page so am I right to assume I put this in user page? "Andrew Murchie 3D filmmaker user page.

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Technically I am just a filmmaker so not employed, nor is the organisation my client so I'm a bit confused as to putting info in here - especially as it's not really accurate. But without adding this I cannot add the 3D films to the 3D film list in wikipedia.

Our films are listed elsewhere e.g. https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/The-Last-Man-on-Earth-3D-Blu-ray/354540/ - really I'm just trying to make the list accurate as my fellow 3d film enthusiasts are always asking about where to find this info.

Sorry if this seems rambling but I'm finding this quite confusing simply trying to provide accurate information. --3nhanc3dDimensions (talk) 12:14, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

No worries, thanks for asking! If you don't mind, what is the nature of your affiliation with EYEPOP-3D? If you are not an employee nor are you being asked/paid to make edits on their behalf, but you do have a connection, the thing to do might be to add the Template:User COI to your page instead. That will let folks know that you have a Conflict of Interest, but are not a paid editor. If you want to edit about a subject that you have a COI with, I recommend using the article talk page to suggest changes and letting other editors implement them - you can use the Wikipedia:Edit Request Wizard to make suggestions! —Ganesha811 (talk) 13:34, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from Yusra.khan5 (01:46, 25 June 2024)

Hey How do I upload a picture(image)? Editing or writing an article here is easy, but I need to add pictures too and cant find any way to do that. Thanks --Yusra.khan5 (talk) 01:46, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

You can follow the guide here to learn how to upload images. Bear in mind you have to be careful about copyright with images! —Ganesha811 (talk) 11:08, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Editor experience invitation

Hi Ganesha811 :) I'm looking for experienced editors to interview here. Feel free to pass if you're not interested. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 22:15, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the invite, but I'll pass. :) —Ganesha811 (talk) 15:00, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from Shapedwomen (08:42, 26 June 2024)

Hi how can i start an article --Shapedwomen (talk) 08:42, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi! You could follow the process at the WP:Article wizard. That's a good way to go for a beginner. —Ganesha811 (talk) 11:13, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

you around?

Hi. Need a quick admin action, are you online for a few more minutes? Kindly ping me. —usernamekiran (talk) 17:44, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

@Usernamekiran, sure, what's going on? Feel free to email me if it's confidential or private. —Ganesha811 (talk) 17:46, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

thanks for the prompt response. Would you kindly restore this version of the page, and then admin protect it for a week? Otherwise, my bot would "vandalise" it again. I also recommend not taking a look at previous version per Wikipedia:Edit filter noticeboard/Archive 12#bot triggering filters. Courtesy ping to GiantSnowman. —usernamekiran (talk) 17:54, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

 Done (I think?) GiantSnowman 17:56, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

@GiantSnowman: lol, you protected the wrong version. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:In_the_news/Posted/November_2004&oldid=1193531746 should be restored, and protected. —usernamekiran (talk) 18:00, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

 Done (take 2). If your bot is malfunctioning, it should not be running. GiantSnowman 18:03, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

@GiantSnowman: thanks, all the profanity is gone now. In short, the bot is creating archives of ITN template, it is also archiving the vandalism along. I updated some of the code, but covering a lot of words would have lead to false positives, and ITN template is protected for the majority of the time, so working on cleaning up the archive pages seemed better than working on program which wouldn't be used much. Thanks again. —usernamekiran (talk) 18:09, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Looks like GiantSnowman got there first, but glad it was taken care of! —Ganesha811 (talk) 18:34, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from MightiestRaccoon (10:27, 29 June 2024)

Hey! I am new to the Wikipedia, hope you can give me some directions. I want to upload the data from this template to Wikidata: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Mycomorphbox I know it has been done before and I know Wikidata contains those parameters for a lot of older articles. But it seems it has not been done in a while. Apparently this tool was used to do it, but I did not manage to make it work: https://pltools.toolforge.org/harvesttemplates/

Do you happen to know who can help me with that? --MightiestRaccoon (talk) 10:27, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

I've never really done any editing on Wikidata, nor have I used that tool, so I'm afraid I'm not much help! I'd recommend asking at Wikidata's internal forum, Wikidata:Project chat. Good luck! —Ganesha811 (talk) 14:14, 29 June 2024 (UTC)