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Bueng Kan

I was partly correct in deleting the Bueng Kan link as it went to the Bueng Kan township and not the province link as it should have. At the time I didn't know that there were two Bueng Kan's. That plus the poor grammar is why I deleted the change. I have since changed the link to the correct site and corrected the comma's and spacing.

Jackfork (talk) 02:00, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Neumeister Chorales

Graham87, thanks for the copyedit. I raised the problem of the media section on the talk page. The media widget scrambles the layout, at least in Safari. Is there any way to range it left? I'm struggling to find anything about this on the style manual page you link to. Stan Anson 09:36, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the pos= parameter. Alas, the widget floats over the next section whether it is ranged left or right. Stan Anson (talk) 10:02, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

And thanks for moving the page—you beat me to it. Stan Anson (talk) 13:43, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Sorry

You have a great point there. Thanks for the help man! BatmanArkhamOriginsV3 (talk) 20:42, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Page name change from: 'viol' to 'viola da gamba'

Hi Graham87!

I hope you had a good holiday - sorry for troubling you, I am not such an experienced editor and have come unstuck trying to change the name (and therefore also ultimately the URL) of a wikipedia entry, but the page name which I wanted to change the name to is apparently a deleted page.

The page I wish to change the name of is entitled 'Viol' - which, as I am sure you are aware, is a baroque instrument known equally as widely as the 'Viola da gamba'. The reason for my interest in changing the page to the longer form is twofold;

i. the word 'viol' in French means 'rape' - which will perhaps unintentionally offend some people. ii. Many societies and organisations sharing an interest in the viola da gamba appear to use that name in their titles.

I look forward to hearing from you - or indeed please feel free to change the page yourself if that is simpler!

Best regards

IanG — Preceding unsigned comment added by IanG (talk • contribs) 04:50, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Hit a milestone.

I just hit my 75th revert on the ToC changes. It's only fitting that it was an admin who reverted. Instead of wiring the money to my Swiss bank account, could you wire directly to my psychologist. The psychologist said treating my PTSD will enable him to a new mansion. Bgwhite (talk) 05:53, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

@Bgwhite: Oof, sure, $3.14 per revert coming straight to him. thanks again for your work on this! Graham87 07:29, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

One more thing Lol

What does it mean when you use my red links to fix typos? BatmanArkhamOriginsV3 (talk) 22:19, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

You did indeed hit the new section button

Hi, re this edit - you did hit the new section button, but Beyond My Ken (talk · contribs) then mangled it. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:19, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Yeah I noticed that after I wrote that edit summary, but I didn't want to make a big deal out of it. Graham87 12:20, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Ur the best dude! :D

D :D BatmanArkhamOriginsV3 (talk) 19:00, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Freedom Scientific

A user came on the help channel on I.R.C. He wanted to create an article about his company. He had no independent sources. We told him that we would not approve his article without sources. He said, why does Freedom Scientific get to have an article without sources, it's not fair, et cetera. I looked at the article on Freedom Scientific, and told him he was right. But not in the way he had hoped.

As for the speediness - well, I rarely bother to invoke a specific CSD; I delete articles if I feel that they need to be deleted, and if I feel that I can justify my actions to other admins. DS (talk) 03:57, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Neumeister Collection

Thanks once again for all your work on this page. I am strongly opposed to the use of ref name=, which creates dependencies that complicate editing and may discourage people from having a go. Happy, however, to leave things be. Stan Anson (talk) 07:39, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

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Indus Valley Civilization

Can you remove this libelling for Historians believing in Indus-Saraswati Theory as 'Hindutva'(A political Hindu nationalist ideology). The last sentence on this section.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indus_Valley_Civilization#Historical_context_and_linguistic_affiliation

Can you remove Hindutva from this sentence. "The civilization is sometimes referred to as the Indus Ghaggar-Hakra civilization or Indus-Sarasvati civilization by Hindutva groups"

There are prominent historians like B B Lal former Director General of Archaeological Survey of India who supports the theory Saraswati river was associated with Indus Valley Civilization. Ashok4himself (talk) 12:30, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/archaeologist-b.b.-lal-talks-about-his-book-the-saraswati-flows-on/1/231683.html

Screen readers for PDFs

Hi Graham87, I recall you mentioning that you used a screen reader. Wondering if you might be able to give me some advice. I am seeking to listen to textbooks in protected document format. There is an in-built "read aloud" function but it takes forever to load each page. Seems like several minutes sometimes. Perhaps this is because of the size of the PDFs I am asking it to read...

Would you be able to give me any advice about what program would be good for this purpose? Many thanks in advance, Lesion (talk) 17:24, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for that info. Was looking for something open source and free ... ok it seems screen reader is the wrong term for such a program that would only be needed to read the PDF and nothing else, while preserving normal keyboard functions. Guess I will stick to the in-built read aloud function, but damn it is slow sometimes.

Also, I've been using Audible.com and LibriVox for a few years for leisure reading. Range of available audiobooks is getting better. Shame they don't do many textbooks, perhaps soon these will become a feature. Regards, Lesion (talk) 15:41, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

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reversion

I could've sworn I chose the correct option in STiki. But looks like I chose wrong one. Thanks for the correction. Coderzombie (talk) 15:22, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Accessibility support for MMV and Hovercards

Thought you would like to know that I've made some comments about accessibility of the new Multi Media Viewer and Hovercards features, both targeting largely article namespace and thus with serious potential consequences for the occasional reader. It seems that this is being taken serious by their development teams, and the status of these is being tracked in these two bug tickets: bugzilla:62948 bugzilla:62923. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 11:45, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

@TheDJ: Sounds great; thanksfor letting me know. Graham87 12:18, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

edits I made

Hey Graham I have started editing again. You should look at them. I think you will get a kick out of them, and wonder what is going on in my head. ((user:davidwilliam97)) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davidwilliam97 (talk • contribs) 05:24, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Looking for advice

I see you are active in writing about Yehudi Menuhin. I realize your interest is due to the music connection, but I'm looking for some advice, and thought you might be able to help. OTRS received a photo of Lionel Rolfe, the nephew of Menuhin, and an accomplished journalist and writer. He submitted the photo in connection with a draft of an article about himself User:Lionelrolfe. I have explained that this is a discouraged practice, but was hoping to provide a more positive answer. I checked out Wikipedia:WikiProject Media but it doesn't seem to be active. Any thoughts on how to identify someone who might be interested in creating an article?--S Philbrick(Talk) 13:39, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

@Sphilbrick: Unfortunately, I don't have any ideas either. I have nothing at all against Mr. Menuhin, but I only have his article on my watchlist to guard against vandalism, as my contributions to it show, and I don't know very much about him. Graham87 14:34, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the prompt response.--S Philbrick(Talk) 15:01, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Re: Missing Wikipedians

That's very strange -- what kind of path did you have to go down to figure out who's who? I admitted it on someone's talk page, but that's about it. I guess if the connection is listed on a meta page and they still haven't banned me, I'm forgiven -- but if I had gotten blocked for that edit of yours, I might have been mad! --✶♏✶ 04:40, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

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Use of either+or in the negative vs. neither+nor in the positive.

Not sure if this is a subtle change in the English language but many younger writers (okay, I'm making a value judgement here!) seem reluctant to use neither+nor - eg. "the dog neither sat on the mat nor on the seat (but elsewhere)" vs. "the dog didn't sit on the mat or on the seat (etc.)".

Yes, Wikipedia is international, but neither+nor is neither an archaeic construct nor something to avoid - even for users for whom English isn't their first language! But I'm interested in alternate perspectives (FYI I'm 61 this year, and I'm an irregular Wikipedia author, and I can't spell without the help of a spell checker!). Peter Gargano (talk) 05:57, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

iDK How to make a correct User Page

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Daniell family

Thank you! Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:10, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

@Cullen328: No worries. That page needed to be deleted as quickly as possible. Graham87 07:13, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Accessibility query: List of SR Merchant Navy class locomotives

Hi Graham; when you visit List of SR Merchant Navy class locomotives, what gets read out to you just before and just after the table of contents? --Redrose64 (talk) 13:59, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

@Redrose64: Nothing is read before the table of contents and the article's lead section is read after the TOC. Graham87 14:02, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

So it doesn't go straight to the "See also" section then? Is the position of the TOC acceptable, accessibility-wise, or should I place a heading just above the table, and move the TOC to immediately before the new heading? --Redrose64 (talk) 14:05, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

@Redrose64: Nope, it's not. I'd actually remove the TOC as a matter of course, because it only points to appendix sections. It wouldn't be there if it weren't for the template, because the article has only three headings. Placing a heading above the table and moving the TOC accordingly would also work. Graham87 14:08, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you I've removed it. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:14, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, sounds good. Graham87 14:15, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Quote fix

Thanks for the quote fix, I used copy in iMac and it must have re-formatted the straight quotes. Ben Billyshiverstick (talk) 16:57, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

This message was originally added to my user page. Graham87 02:29, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

I feel like a bull in a china shop. What will I knock over now? cheers mate... Ben :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Billyshiverstick (talk • contribs) 03:36, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Micropenis edits

I clicked this wiki by chance and just wanted to make a little correction.

Even the article used as reference said this " the average size of the human penis is around 12.5 cm or 5 inches, a micropenis spans less than 7 cm or just over two inches. " ----> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/12/041206205001.htm

So why than put 7cm as 3 inches? when 7cm is 2.76 inches...... not 3 inches.

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Archaeology challenge

Having a poke around some very old pages just now - what a leisure activity - I happened across Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bad jokes and other deleted nonsense/WikiSex (originally located at User:I am sexy/WikiSex). Unsurprisingly for a page of this vintage, I see your fingerprints on its recent history. But I see that the page itself, Wikipedia:Bad jokes and other deleted nonsense/WikiSex, doesn't appear to exist in our database at all beyond the redirect you created at that title. There are no logs for its deletion, either. However, the Internet Archive has a copy of the page at BJAODN. Helpfully, it includes two links to earlier revisions of the page, which are described as:

• Version prior to "I am sexy"'s departure - revision ID 3105300
• Version prior to move here - revision ID 3185641

So my challenge to you as an expert wikiarchaeologist is, can you find out what happened to it, or even resurrect it? It is admittedly a very stupid page, but hey, fixing history holes is what we do.... Cheers, — Scott • talk 10:52, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

@Scott: It is indeed fun to traipse through old page histories! The current deletion log only goes back to 23 December 2004; the same is true of all of the other logs that go back that far, actually. For deletions before that, we need to consult the page Wikipedia:deletion log, but most of the logs linked from there have been deleted per libel concerns. However the Wayback Machine still holds copies of the original logs, and the one we're looking for is the second log from April 2004, which contains the WikiSex entries. Unfortunately this was before the great database crash, so the revisions cannot be restored. I have text files of all the deletion logs which are easily searchable; if you'd like a copy, email me (same goes for any of my talk page stalkers who want one). Graham87 12:24, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Of course - I had forgotten that our automatic logs hadn't started at that point, and also about the database crash. (Although I was around back then, I wasn't paying that much attention and so never heard of it at the time.) I was also unaware of the existence of the manual logs, let alone that they'd been deleted. And so much for that message on them - "I have temporarily deleted all deletion log archives temporarily. [sic] For now, if there is any need to view these entries, administrators can view them via the deleted edits feature. I will restore the entire logs soon." That was nearly 8 years ago! And more like oversighted; they certainly aren't available as deleted revisions. Well, thank you once again Wayback Machine for saving us from the goofs of others. I'll definitely drop you an email about plaintext versions, Graham, thanks.

Incidentally, I did find a leftover - one of the two VfDs for the page was originally located at {{VfD-BJOADN-wikisex}}, but got copy-and-paste moved into (what is now) the AfD. The redirect left there was subsequently deleted. I've restored it to this subpage. Have you ever tried tracking down deleted old VfDs in template space? It occurs to me that there may be others that had the same thing happen to them. — Scott • talk 13:15, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

@Scott: Yes, you can view the deleted revisions of the old deletion logs (I haven't checked all of them, but that example still works ... and they were all intact when I made the text-based copies for my own use). Nice save of the second VFD! I haven't thoroughly gone through all the old VFD's in the template namespace (though I have dabbled in that area). You've just inspired me to do this prefix search, which can be extended like so, which helped me find old VFD history related to Talk:Arab world, Talk:Battle of Modon, and Talk:Blogosphere. I've just history-merged them with the VFD pages because I thought it was the easiest approach I don't think overlapping edits matter in cases like these. That's yet another bit of wiki-archaeology to put on my to-do list (but any help would be appreciated, of course) ... I still haven't finished some of the work I'd planned related to queries on the 2003 database dumps! Graham87 14:44, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

And thanks for the deletion log note that you added; that was a good idea, and I sometimes write similar notes. Graham87 15:02, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Ah yes, you're right, in fact, I was examining the wrong deleted revision of the log. That's good. About the note, well, I was totally copying your technique - earlier today I saw a similar note that you'd left. A good idea.

I didn't realize that it was possible to do a prefix search on deleted revisions, that's very useful. I'll have a poke around, although probably not in much of a systematic fashion. If you identify any candidates for a history merge that you're too busy to do, let me know! — Scott • talk 15:28, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Found another one. Merging it would have resulted in a page history that was too confusing, in my opinion, so I moved it to a subpage and replaced the copied-and-pasted content with a transclusion. I've done similar for a couple of other articles that do still exist (as redirects): Talk:Small-l liberal, Talk:Sphygmomanometry. — Scott • talk 22:29, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Ha ha!! Here's a good one: {{VfD-Page name}}. It's a placeholder template that got accidentally edited over and over again by different users. Moving it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Page name doesn't seem right, because it's not actually a VfD/AfD. There's also already a page at that title, a similar placeholder with its own history. So what shall we do with it? — Scott • talk 22:57, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

@Scott: I've just history merged the two placeholder pages together. Yes, your transclusion idea is better than history-merging in those cases. Graham87 03:05, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Unbulleted lists

Hello Graham. Since I don't use a screen reader myself, I would appreciate your opinion on the value of unbulleted lists in infobox fields. After reading WP:UBLIST, my understanding is that using this technique to emit semantically correct HTML is useful to readers who rely on a screen reader. My thought was that using <br /> line breaks indiscriminately to signify the end of a list item, as well as for formatting within a list item, would be confusing – am I right? I have had an editor revert my use of an unbulleted list in an infobox, but before I insist on replacing it, I'm trying to get a feel for how big of a difference it makes. Thanks in advance for any comments you might have. – Wdchk (talk) 01:23, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

@Wdchk: Thanks for your message. The semantically correct HTML lists are nicer, but it's not that big a difference. On a scale of one to ten I'd rate their importance about a three in this case. Graham87 01:35, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

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Translation of Track+

Good Morning Graham87,

I tried to translate the Track+ article on my user page. You can find it here on my page: [[1]]. Unfortunately I was not able to create the infobox, I don't know why because I worked with copy&paste and also red the guidance for creating info boxes. Maybe you can edit the article and also move the article to the right place. I appreciate your help! Best regards, Cordula. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Holzaepfelchen (talk • contribs) 07:37, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

A brownie for you!

Thanks for helping me get started on wiki! Lying Politician (talk) 10:15, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

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Title of Sarah Moore (doctor) Wikipedia article

I think the title of Sarah Moore (doctor) should be changed to "Sarah Moore (The Family)" as she is known for her association with The Family, not for her brief period as a doctor. I couldn't find any information on Google that states she has been a practicing doctor since her 2005 conviction. Do you know if she has or not? --TheCockroach (talk) 02:24, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

I don't know how to change the title myself. If you could do it, that would be great. --TheCockroach (talk) 02:37, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) It's covered at WP:MOVE. But if the new article title is likely to be controversial, it's best to start a move discussion on the article's talk page, see WP:RM. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:00, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Re: List of Australian Paralympic medallists

Hi Graham, I am editing this page. Each reference took me to a different page so that was why l was putting a different search reference page for each. Can you help? or know whats happening? Cheers — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adventuremanic (talk • contribs) 01:43, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Missing wikipedians

Hi Graham87,

Just thought I would drop by and tell you I miss you at wp:Missing wikipedians -- hope you have not given up patrolling there. XOttawahitech (talk) 08:46, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

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Australian people category

Hi Graham, I saw you removed the "Category:Australian people of English descent" from William Forster (Australian politician). I understand that Australia, as a country, didn't exist didn't exist until 1901. Australia, the country, took it's name from Australia, the place (or continent). But Australia did exist as a place for thousands of years before 1901. e.g. New South Wales was referred to as one of the Australian colonies in the 19th century. On that basis, the category should be re-instated for Forster, don't you think? It doesn't really matter what status the place was at the time, it was still "Australia" before 1901 and an "Australian person of English descent" is still a valid statement about a 19th century person. Diverman (talk) 10:31, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Church cantata (Bach)

I believe that the above name would be more appropriate for what is historically called List of Bach cantatas by liturgical function, which is not precise any more, because came to be also a list of the prescribed readings, and lists several non-liturgical cantatas. Also, the redirect is already shown in the works' infoboxes, we could avoid an awkward piped link. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:37, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

I made an article church cantata, as a redirect, open to be expanded. We have Chorale cantata (Bach) already. Same question again as above ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:33, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

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