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Steven Wilson (athlete)

Hi I'm being a bit cheeky with my revert of your edit on this subject but how can we standardise all info boxes so they provide the same basic information in all cases and then custom additions. Castemate Castlemate (talk) 14:09, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Request talk page comments restore

• Talk:Dental phobia

I cannot find any of the comments on the new talk page, or on the "old history" page you have created. There were 3 sections from talk:dental fear that need to be on talk:dental phobia now. Thanks, Lesion (talk) 16:06, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

I understood that what I did is discouraged, but the deleting admin did not move the associated talk page. It is the article history that is mainly important. In this case, the talk page history was so short that I thought it acceptable to copypaste merge without bothering another admin. Lesion (talk) 05:18, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Before the Dawn copy edits

Good grief, I don't know how I typed "adaption" that many times without realising.[1] Thanks for picking that up! Hayden120 (talk) 08:30, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

No worries. :-) Graham87 08:35, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Style/screenreader question

Does the use of {{smallcaps}} affect your screenreader's reading of text or citations? Example: An example styled as smallcaps, including the names Joseph Biden and Microsoft. Anything come up "shouty"? --Lexein (talk) 14:45, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Nope, it makes absolutely no difference. Graham87 01:53, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Quotation Marks

Hello, Graham. Thanks for the heads up.

Until reading your message today, I had never heard of "logical quotation." For many years, I worked as a proofreader and editor at Loyola University New Orleans (located in New Orleans, Louisiana, in the U.S.) In creating the university's editorial style guide, I researched many editorial style and grammar publications. In doing so, never once did I come across anything other than how it is stated on Loyola's website: "When at the end of a quoted phrase or sentence, commas and periods are included inside quotation marks; colons and semicolons are outside quotation marks." According to our style--and all others I've come across previously--the only punctuation mark used in the "logical quotation" method is the question mark which "is placed inside quotation marks when it punctuates only the material enclosed and not the sentence as a whole. It is placed outside when it punctuates the entire sentence."

As I read a few minutes ago, Wikipedia has been criticized for this practice before by many others far more knowledgeable than I. I have to say in my opinion it is SO wrong. I am appalled that Wikipedia would perpetuate such a grammatically incorrect practice. I feel by doing so, Wiki is undoing what is taught in schools and confusing the many students who use Wikipedia for reference. When they see the incorrect usages on Wikipedia's website, I'm sure it leads them to believe Wiki's usage is correct when it is not.

After so many years editing, I cannot read anything without finding errors. I may not be able to use Wikipedia anymore let alone edit it. Obviously, I have not taken the editing tutorial, but I will now--if only to see what other "logical" editing options Wiki promotes. If there are too many that go against what is correct, I will not edit anymore. I do not want to corrupt what I already know to be correct by having to learn incorrect practices.

Thank you again, Graham. Despite my snooty and uppity remarks, I truly am thankful for your message. BTW, I'm not always snooty and uppity. :D

Rosewinter64 (talk) 02:06, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Rose, why is it "grammatically incorrect"? Tony (talk) 02:55, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

I think that logical quotation is more of a British style than American. Certainly, in technical documentation you don't want to write Enter "AUTOSTART." when you mean Enter "AUTOSTART". I suppose that's why they are called "techie quotes" as well. Monado (talk) 06:08, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Indeed, that's been my experience as well. Graham87 06:12, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

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Missing Wikipedians

Graham87, why did you remove Lightmouse from the list and what does this have to do with Bobblewik? Bobblewik looks like a completely different account and is older than Lightmouse. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 14:04, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

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As a subscriber to one of The Wikipedia Library's programs, we'd like to hear your thoughts about future donations and project activities in this brief survey. Thanks and cheers, Ocaasi ^{t | c} 15:38, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank you!

...for finding that newsletter for the Ralph Buchsbaum article. I did go to the Sea Otters website and looked on their Newsletters page, but didn't find Issue 66. And thank you also for restoring the text that you reverted. Monado (talk) 05:56, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Canning Stock Route

Hi Graham87, I wonder if you have read recent edits to the Canning Stock Route in this section Canning Stock Route#Traverses. An unregistered user User talk:Gaynor Schoeman began making edits reporting feats about a person of the same name, Gaynor Schoeman.

All references cited by the editor link to an internet website, and do not meet a reliable source in my view. The last edit placed an image of Gaynor Schoeman claiming to be the first person to walk solo on the CSR.

The editors first edit was 2 October 2013, and the most recent 12 December 2013. If you can find a moment, would you please check to article with your Administrators hat on. Many thanks, Summerdrought (talk) 02:35, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Graham, good work on the Canning, totally approve. I have been following your work for some time, possibly since an edit of yours on Woomera, and naturally the name rang a bell! I could call myself Graham 67 (my age), but I don't want to give that away! I know you can't see images, but I did a pencil drawing of Len Beadell which you may have read about on my user page, and so far no one has deleted it. Love your work, regards, Summerdrought (talk) 06:02, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Ken Martin

Graham87, Thanks for your thank you on the Ken Martin page I edited. I never thought I'd be editing but Ken and I go way back. Although he lives in Indianapolis I just saw him last September and he's still running sub six minute miles after a seven year bout with cancer. He's doing quite well having had a cell transplant that seems to be working and is a tireless advocate to promote research concerning the benefits of exercise while undergoing Chemo. Good luck. You've got incredible breadth on Widipedia. Richard Barr — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rmbarrnm (talk • contribs) 17:02, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

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Thanks, Michael! Graham87 12:04, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

A question you asked me

Jimbo, possibly a frivolous question, but is the "not" meant to be there in the sentence "Therefore, this new arrangement is designed to handle only relatively rare issues, and not invite a general approach of majority vote ..."? That sentence makes no sense to me with that word in it. Graham87 10:26, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

The sentence is exactly as I meant it, and I don't think it is ambiguous or awkwardly constructed. Perhaps it is just surprising to you? We do not want, have never wanted, and have avoided establishing an idea that policy in Wikipedia should be subject to a simple majority vote. Neither should it be imposed top-down by me or the Foundation. It should, to the maximum extent possible, be consensus-driven. Over time that has led to a practice of requiring 70-80% approval in a vote. This works quite well in most cases. But in other cases it allows for a general failure. Imagine a situation with 3 options. Option A gets 68 percent support and so fails to gain consensus. Option B gets a different 68% support and so fails to gain consensus. Supporters of A and B both agree, let's say, that it is better than the third option which is to do nothing at all. But under our current system which requires 70% support to change things, we are stuck with something that quite possibly 80% of people don't like. It's a flaw in the system.

There are other cases in which something is really important, the majority of editors want to see a change, but they are repeatedly frustrated by a minority who are unwilling to work to find a compromise that will gain consensus, perhaps because their interests are best served by having a flaw in Wikipedia's rules.

It is in these kinds of rare cases where we should have a means of making changes that require majority support, and a process for determining when this process kicks in. In the future we may find a way to do that without inviting endless majority vote polls. But for now, I want to see if we can try it as a means to break some perennial logjams in policy. I'll be looking for proposals that I think are very close to having consensus, and which ideally have expiration dates, i.e. pilot projects and tests. I'd like to see us be more bold in changing policy to help with editor happiness, but we need to do so in ways that don't get us into even worse corner solutions!--Jimbo Wales (talk) 11:34, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

This isn't exactly the same thing as what I'm talking about but you may find it interesting in terms of thinking about these issues: [2].--Jimbo Wales (talk) 11:35, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for everything in 2013!

	Merry Christmas!
	Keep up the good work! (I hope it plays OK) Kerry (talk) 06:49, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Talk:SANE/Old history

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List of Pantheists / Pantheism Articles

Hi there. Would you be able to help me or direct me a way for some help with an editor that is editing an article with original research and not accepting any reverts? How can I help improve an article when someone is aggressively editing and sending me warnings about reverting his edits. Thanks. NaturaNaturans (talk) 08:32, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Not sure if I respond here or not, but can you help me understand the 3 revert rule...someone makes a silly unsourced edit, I revert it, he puts it back, I revert it (and explain on the talk page), he puts it back...I'm unclear on what the rule says on this. Who is "edit warring" in this type of situation when discussion is not working? NaturaNaturans (talk) 14:24, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

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Thanks for tidy up etc (What's Inside)

Graham: thanks for the tidy up and tidbits on What's Inside - interesting quotes, I didn't know about the Brian Redhead thing. Much appreciated. And yes, I agree, the album is a top one - it's one of my favourites along with Secret Secrets and 'Joan Armatrading'. "In Your Eyes" is a great song and "Trouble" is very touching. I read in the Mayes biography JA really looked up to her mother, she saw her as a fighter, a rock that kept the family together, and she wanted to be like her. I'll press on when I can with more articles on the albums, it'd be good to cover most or all of them - JA should have that coverage, it's the least we can all do. Thanks again. Ian (Juvancis) 00:22, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Thx

Tnx for the template fix, I was just figuring out where to do that. —Neotarf (talk) 07:28, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

No worries ... wasn't easy for me to figure out the first time I needed to edit that part of the Signpost. Graham87 07:37, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Edit to Bach (cantata)

You changed the name of the cantata mentioned at the end of the Köthen section to "Hunt cantata", but I can't find any backup for this name. The original title doesn't say anything about hunting, and the WP entry for the cantata doesn't mention this name. I think if you can justify the name it would be a good idea to add it to the cantata article too.

Can you help me with something else? I spotted a typo in the same section, and started looking at the Spaeth reference. Hmm. It says just Spaeth (2005), then you look through the bibliography, and there's a book by Sigmund Spaeth (2006), but then the ISBN doesn't seem to work, and anyway Spaeth died in 1965. Is there a standard for citing out of print books that have been reprinted? Seems very misleading to put a reprint date, rather than the date of original publication. I find more problems in creating/amending references than anything else, and I never know quite where to go to ask for help, so suggestions much appreciated.

Imaginatorium (talk) 08:00, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

... Thanks for sorting this out! Imaginatorium (talk) 08:27, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

A Tesla Roadster for you!

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BWV 846

Thanks for the feedback! I'll keep in mind the various changes you made next time I make an article like this. Tal Brenev (talk) 20:38, 7 January 2014 (UTC)Tal Brenev

enquiry for relating my page (Rahul Rawat) and (The Strange Couple) has been deleted on 8 jan 2014

respected sir, this is to enquire the reason why my pages has been deleted. i am an emerging author of the book ( the strange couple - to be released in feburary 2014) and estblished filmmaker, i had diploma in ditorship ship from balaji productions. for any further details about me you can refer to.

www.photasti.com www.facebook.co/rahulrawat1998 www.twitter.com/rahulrawat1998

and email adress rrofficials@gmail.com

waiting for you reply. yours faithfully rahul rawat — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.215.183.217 (talk) 12:23, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

recover deleted page

i want to recover my deleted page (Rahul Rawat) and (The Strange Couple) kindly tell me the procedure. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1RahulRawat (talk • contribs) 14:01, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

recover my pages

as you said; satisfy the notability criteria for authors; i got this... i want my both pages recover (Rahul Rawat) and (The Strange Couple) i will not do that mistake again... but this time both pages are important for me. please email me on rrofficials@gmail.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1RahulRawat (talk • contribs) 21:02, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
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You're awesome

Thanks so much for this, Graham. The table wasn't supposed to be there; I accidentally copied it from Kosboot's sandbox. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 18:47, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

No worries, dude. I thought it might have been something like that. Graham87 00:26, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Link syntax

Hi Graham, thank you for your input on the links thing. I just thought it looked better that way. Apparently you favor the other format. I guess the deciding factor would be if using one or the other is official wikipedia policy. Do you happen to know?

Cheers, --Hisredrighthand (talk) 17:56, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Ok I just realized its automatically replaced with a link on the full term. You got a poin there. Thanks for pointing is out. --Hisredrighthand (talk) 17:58, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Toby Stephens-James Bond

Hello, I was just wondering when in Die Another Day did Toby Stephens play Bond? According to his wikipedia article and all the other sources I checked he only played Gustav Graves, the Arch Nemisis/Villain of that film. I apologize if this proves to be a stupid time-wasting question. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lolsen2 (talk • contribs) 15:03, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Guadalajara Climate

I had to revert your edits on the Guadalajara article because you removed the sunshine data (called "insolacion" in the source), an important parameter in many city articles on Wikipedia and because most Mexican cities use the 1951-2010 data (the link to the 1971-2000 one is a dead link). My edits are not suspicious, I try to make sure that it is verifiable and is the same as the source (unless the data looks dubious). The edit by MT173 may have been suspicious and you may have mistaken all of the edits after it for this user but the 1951-2010 data, sunshine values and humidity were added by me. Ssbbplayer (talk) 17:12, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

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Idea for the blind

I invented an idea for the blind. A matrix of light distance meter devices & a pin matrix device to feel the image produced. Should be able to feel a cup handle & feel a doorway. I do not see that well out my right eye due to a squint(Corrective surgery) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Advicexxx (talk • contribs) 19:26, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Australia women's national wheelchair basketball team at the 2012 Summer Paralympics

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TOC question.

On my talk page, there is a short discussion about the article List of municipalities in Alberta. The article contains two TOC. One is right in the middle of the lede, clearly a violation. The other is at the start of the "List of urban municipalities" section. Questions:

1. Is the second TOC ok?
2. In a discussion on the article's talk page, they do bring up the TOC should follow the lede. The wording in MOS says "most cases" and use this to ignore MOS. I've always thought accessibility issues trump everything unless it is going to break something or is unfeasible to implement. Can TOC MOS be ignored like this? Is my assumption correct? Bgwhite (talk) 19:07, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for page importation

Hello Graham87, I don't know if you already know the following pages, but maybe they can help you with importing pages to en.wiki:

• User:Brackenheim/monobook.js: If you copy this text into your monobook.js (or commons.js etc.) you just have to click on "export" above every page to export all versions, even if they are more than one thousand. Unfortunately you have to create such a monobook.js on every wiki, where you want to export articles.
• With importScriptURI("//de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Gadget-revisionCounter.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript"); in your monobook.js you get the numer of versions of every page, so that you can check if all versions are imported. Only sometimes it doesn't work properly.

I hope this could help you... Just try the tools out ;-) Regards, --Brackenheim (talk) 15:37, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

User :23.17.101.129

Hi. I see that last year you blocked this user. Quite a few people have left him messages on his talk page. I get the feeling that the user is not even aware of the existence of the talk page. What are ways are there to engage in dialogue with him to bring him in? He probably monitors his edits because he once reverted a revert. Perhaps it might be an idea to leave him a very very short message in the edit summary? Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 00:33, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia mark up

DO you know the rationale for not using HTML in Wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davidwilliam97 (talk • contribs) 03:55, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Edits

Hey Graham can you look at my edits and tell me if any of them need reverted. I fixed some lists but not quite sure they needed fixed. I am also wondering if you and I can look at some grammer issues I have found when I get home from school. I think this is a better social network than facebook, and would wish for facebook to die and instead use a wiki type site. Davidwilliam97 (talk) 02:46, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

What to do with TOC index?

I'm not sure what to do about Index of MS-DOS games (A) Bgwhite (talk) 22:34, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

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Spelling

Please do not make edits like can not -> cannot, since both are correct. Debresser (talk) 17:37, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

thanks

For the cleanup at northwest mutual. cheers! --Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 05:18, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

No worries. Graham87 06:44, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Reply: Asperger's/Autism

What's the big deal? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pieter202 (talk • contribs) 17:10, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank you

I appreciate you helping me with edits.

BatmanArkhamOriginsV3 (talk) 21:52, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Jacob Barnett

But can I only add Jacob Barnett to the category People on the autistic spectrum? He does have an official diagnosis. Pieter202 (talk) 20:57, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

New template for old talk pages on redirects

Hi Graham! As a wikiarcheologist, you may be interested in a template I've just created - {{Old talk on redirect}}. It's for labeling inactive talk pages attached to titles that are now redirects. It uses Lua magic to advise the reader of the talk page associated with the redirect target.

Cheers, — Scott • talk 21:08, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Re:Link format

Sorry, I'm still somewhat new to Wikipedia so I don't know all the rules yet. I'll make sure to do that in the future. Thanks! micho meow! (talk) 04:21, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

You've got mail

Hello, Graham87. Please check your email; you've got mail!
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Mathew wa (talk • contribs) 06:16, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Holiday

Have a lovely time. --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 15:20, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Anthony; I got there OK. I'm online now again ... after some rather interesting computer problems! Graham87 23:53, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

From Vacation: "A vacation or holiday is a specific trip or journey, usually for the purpose of recreation or tourism".

I fail to see how "computer" and "recreation or tourism" go together. Do I have to block you until the 5th? Bgwhite (talk) 00:54, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

ROFL! That might not even be necessary, given the reliability of this hotel's Internet access ... Graham87 02:26, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Common Words

Hello! I noticed that you said that I shouldn't be adding links to common words. Well, I understand how they would be obvious to someone who has graduated high school, but what if they haven't? The reason I add them is to make sure that someone who doesn't understand something like CSS, or HTML can have quick access to the information. I wont track my video game progress anymore, too. I understand. Sorry bout that. BatmanArkhamOriginsV3 (talk) 22:52, 26 February 2014 (UTC)