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Hello sir,I want to say thanks to you and especially the DALE CARNEGIE and his entire team. Thank you very much for this book because this book give me a new way of life . I didn't have a words for thanking you and all the team which gives us a fabulous book. I want to say something to you if you don't become angry respected sir, i request you to start the classes on HOW TO WIN FRIENDS AND INFLUENCE PEOPLE" in INDIA. Again thank you for reading this and sorry for any mistake in vocabulary or in grammer or in language. JASPREET KAUR (B.Sc Non- medical student Ist year) PUNJAB (INDIA) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.224.39.233 (talk) 08:24, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2014-05-28/News and notes and Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2014-05-28/Featured content

I just wanted to check: I've been doing featured content and helping out with various other bits of the Signpost for a bit. Since I saw you had made a screenreader fix to News and Notes, I wanted to check: Have you noticed any screenreader issues, particularly in the Signpost's Featured content section, that I should try to avoid in future? Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 16:18, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Oh, good! Glad to hear it! Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 16:28, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Port Arthur massacre

Have you been following the talk page and seen this crazy article?[1] Dougweller (talk) 08:50, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

@Dougweller: No I haven't ... that is hilarious! Graham87 09:09, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Baroque and Beyond

Do you have time to help with Classic 100 Baroque and Before (ABC)? Countdown currently underway. We have lost User:GFHandel who was so helpful with these. Developing the table is tricky. Cheers, Whiteghost.ink (talk) 04:30, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! I am listening too. I started the table and have added some of the choices to it but the countdown barrels along so steadily that it needs more than one person to keep up. Did you notice that the ABC website has a link from each music choice to WP? That puts us in the spotlight! (I daresay not all the individual articles are up to scratch.) Whiteghost.ink (talk) 05:58, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for catching up yesterday. I was out and couldn't. Have caught up with the whole countdown and also finalised the annual overall table. Let me know if you find anything wrong. Although the program notes have not yet been linked to the way they were last time, we have done it for another year! Yay! Whiteghost.ink (talk) 09:19, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Category order

Thanks for your note. I wish AWB had a facility for sorting categories, especially given that it does have one to "add" categories. I did make a point of looking at the cats, and if they were already in alphabetical order, to manually edit AWB's work to keep it that way, otherwise I just left it. That's really the only option when you're adding a cat to hundreds of pages, else the job would take for ever. I suspect most people using AWB to add cats don't bother to do even that. FWIW, I don't think that trying to keep cats in order by "importance" really works, as this is very subjective, and not helpful at all where there is a large number of cats. In any case Category:Male triathletes is not one of huge importance, so leaving it at the end is not a big deal. --NSH002 (talk) 06:15, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Follow-up: I see that Wikipedia:Categorization of people#Categorization schemes states, "There is currently no consensus about the order in which these categories should be placed at the bottom of an article." No surprise there! -- NSH002 (talk) 08:38, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Shōninki

Hi, could you please usefy the deleted version of Shōninki for me. I'm working on a new article of the same name, and would find it helpful to refer to the old one. Thx! Snori (talk) 20:27, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, new text should be acceptable now I think. I have re-created the page. Snori (talk) 10:24, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

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re. George Francis Train, Wikipedia article.

Hi Graham87,

I'm not quite sure which reference you're talking about: is it GFT's parents and three sisters dying of yellow fever in New Orleans, in 1833, or is it the one about Adeline Train being his cousin, not his sister?

"Around the World with Citizen Train - The Sensational Adventures of the Real Phileas Fogg", by Allen Foster (ISBN I-903582-II-3), refers to all of GFT's family members dying in New Orleans (pages 14-16).

If you Google Encyclopedia Britannica, it says Adeline Dutton Train Whitney was born in Boston in 1824, "...to a prosperous merchant...", and died March 21, 1906, in Milton Mass.

Hope this helps!

Sincerely,

George Train

P.S. George Francis Train is my great great grandfather: I only joined Wikipedia to straighten out his early life and explain his family ties in Boston. — Preceding unsigned comment added by George.f.train (talk • contribs) 22:20, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Need to copy a simple wiki article to en.wiki

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mamdouh_Eldamaty is an article about the new Egyptian Minister of Antiquities and we should have our own article. What's the best way to do this? Copy and paste with an attribution and a list of the 2 editors on the talk page? Or? Please ping me as I might miss your reply otherwise. Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 09:43, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

@Dougweller: I've imported the Simple English edits to Mamdouh Eldamaty using the importupload right (which I have due to my other importing work), and tweaked the article a bit. Graham87 10:59, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

(watching) I say on the talk page from where an article is translated, if it's a different language, - then the history can be found, example talk:Tatjana Gsovsky. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:29, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes, that works too. I'm generally not fussed about which method is used, but importing seemed soconvenient in this case. Graham87 11:32, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

I didn't hear about importing here yet, but in German, every translated article needs an import procedure, which has all edits in the history (unless it's by the same user), example Trommelralle, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:19, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Graham. Dougweller (talk) 13:49, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Redirects and article names

Hi Graham87, thanks for finessing the article names and redirects I've made over the last while. In the case of Bob Ray I realized after I added the parenthesis that his name was sufficiently different from Bob Rae the politician (their names can be accidentally confused, as I had done) that I tried to revert it, but my attempt at reversion got mired in the WP software commands and I gave up intending to go back to it later. Best: HarryZilber (talk) 13:03, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

key

• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmIooB1yOXE

Hello, your absolute pitch tells you it's in F major or F♯ major ? Fort123 (talk) 19:41, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Kings TOC

I see you beat me to the page to fix the TOC. FYI... Disambiguous pages have their TOC on the right side. The info can be found at the bottom of the MOS:DABORDER section. Bgwhite (talk) 05:40, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

@Bgwhite: OK, thanks for letting me know. Graham87 06:23, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Hello. Vegetarian list discussion.

Hi! I thought I'd move the discussion here, so an admin is right there and involved. Thanks, and good to meet you too. And hello again to LeadSongDog and LazyBastardGuy. Thanks everyone for the lessons on minor edits, I wasn't aware of how tight the definition was.

See also. I guess some of us older guys still love See also sections, and I usually look at those and templates of pages I come upon. Lots of people do, if they are done right they are a valuable tool for people reading the pages. So adding people from a recognized and well-monitored page of lists seemed fine. With the vegetarian list, that would be a two or three day job. Looking at every entry, making sure either the page itself had vegetarian data on it or the reference was a good one. May I suggest a compromise, taking everyone's comments, including my own, into account. To allow a See also listing if the person was or is at least a mid-major advocate or activist for vegetarianism, in terms that they self-identify in a prominent way that they are vegetarian and do it on various occasions. Gandhi, for example, would assuredly self-identify as a vegetarian, and advocated in for people in his movements. So it is part of his self-identity. For many of the people listed it is part of who they are, and they go out of their way to work for it as a cause. How about if we just put the list on the See also pages of those individuals. It may be likely as relevant as if an actor is also an architect, and speaks at architectural conventions or meetings, and writes or speaks on radio and tv as an architect. That person' See also page may include a link to "List of architects' and not cause any concern. Can we draw the line at that or close to that? Thanks for considering it. One personal note. When I was adding the list to the pages I also leaned a lot of things I didn't know, many things in fact. My findings allowed two template additions, one a writer on the vegetarianism template, the other, one that's kind of cool. I see that Swami Satchidananda, who I was privileged to have met on quite a few occasions and stayed at his ashram once - maybe the only person I've met who had no ego, or if it was there, was a minor irritant to him and nothing to pay much attention to. So, I see that Swami actually opened up the Woodstock Music Festival in '69. I say "a ha!", check the Woodstock template and, as I thought, he wasn't on it. Popped him right in there. Things like that happen when you work on going through lists, and that was a fun one. This is the longest note I've ever written on Wikipedia, so, good to meet everyone, and maybe we can work out something that all of us will say "that's cool". Thanks again. Randy Kryn 22:04 23 June 2014 (UTC)

I'd agree, as long as a see also section is already present and contains listings like that. Perhaps it'd be better to add an advocates section to {{Veganism and vegetarianism}}? Or is it already too big? Graham87 00:45, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

@Randy Kryn: Thinking about it some more, the vegetarianism/vegan navboxes act as see qalso sections on their own (per the relevant guideline). So yes, it'd definitely be a better idea to add articles to them rather than using see also sections. Graham87 00:56, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Eek. There would be hundreds of names on there. Before you remove all the See also additions to the List of vegan entries please consider how many there are and, more importantly, what interest in has gotten from the readers. The clicks on the 'List of vegans' (and like I said, the list of vegetarians isn't as major a lifestyle change and how people self-identify) since I worked on it last week have gone up as much as 350 to 400 percent. That's the positive impact of lists being added to See also. Over 1,300 to 1,500 people a day, the vast majority of them coming to the page since those edits, have found that page of interest enough to click on it. That means that the concept of See also is not a bad one, but is alive and very fruitful. I remember for years before Wikipedia I wanted to see a full listing of vegans somewhere, and apparently lots of people are like me. So can we expand this talk before you remove hundreds of edits? Thanks for considering that. Randy Kryn 1:05 24 June 2014 (UTC)

The vegetarianism template is a good one, for sure, but an advocates section would be huge, even with the ultra-famous added and not the one-man bands and tenors. I'm not as interested in the vegetarian list, but was willing to put in a couple of days on it. People like Gandhi came along too early to go fully vegan, which they would have done eventually (Gandhi, at 134 years old, would really enjoy my lentils and rice). Vegans, on the other hand, almost all self-identify as vegans. It's part of who they are. So See also's on vegan's pages, especially those who advocate (and that would be the majority of them) seem very appropriate. Can't we expand this talk to more admins and moderators? And although I'm a vegan I just got around to that task, the putting the list into the See also sections, and there has to be a better way than just slashing them right out again. It's late where I am, and I have to go, but please wait a few days for this to be discussed fully. Thanks. Randy Kryn 1:24 24 June 2014 (UTC)

I've just noticed this message ... it can be hard to tell whether a page view spike is due to humans or bots following the links, sometimes, but I'm willing to grant that there may have been some more human interest regarding the list due to your edits. It just sets up a slippery slope of people adding their favourite lists to see also sections that I don't want to go down. I can't really think of an appropriate board for this, as the admins' boards are more for administrative issues ... perhaps the dispute resolution noticeboard? Graham87 01:29, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

The spike in clicks is up at least 300 percent, over a thousand more people a day from an average of 325 to 350 a day. This shows a true interest in such a listing, that many people who have an interest in someone's life and work want see other "celebrities" with a similar lifestyle. I'd like to take this to others. For example, you removed "List of vegans" from the See also of Howard Lyman, one of the many people who is a major advocate and whose life work is talking about the benefits of veganism. Howard Lyman was the person I mentioned earlier, who was taken to court in Texas. See also is a place for lists, responsible editors put appropriate lists in See also, and the List of vegans seems very appropriate to pages of almost everyone on that list. I cry in my beer (well, not crying, and I don't drink, but I found someone's elses beer and will now cry in it) (never mind, it's American Budweiser, tears can only improve it). Randy Kryn 9:33 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I've just removed them all, which I would have done yesterday if I'd known about these errant see also entries then. The navbox is a far better solution for highlighting prominent people associated with veganism/vegetarianism. Frankly I see additions like this as just a way of getting around the deletion of the vegans category last year. I'm not the only person to remove these entries for similar reasons. Earthh, Walter Görlitz, and Dwpaul, among others, have also made similar removals. Graham87 09:36, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

• It doesn't show any increase in interest. I saw that see also thing being removed, and then went to the article it was linking to just to see what was going on. A lot of others probably did the same. There is no reason to be spamming that page everywhere. You need to just have a category made for those who identify themselves as a vegetarian or vegan, then those interested in finding more people like that could click on it. Lists of musicians shows there is a list article for every location a musician could be from, list of musicians by type of music, and by time period. At Lists of actors you can see how many list actors could be on, based on nationality, ethnicity, industry, or even things like List of actors who played Santa Claus. If the person had a successful business also, you have various list for business people. Astronauts have List of astronauts by year of selection. But none of these people in any of these list have a See Also section linking to any of the list they are on. So why do it with vegans? Are you trying to promote an agenda? Dream Focus 09:57, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

The list of vegans is up in "views" by over a thousand a day since the See also's were added. Long ago, back in the 20th century, I was interested in seeing a list of vegans or a list of vegetarians, and the only lists around had the same couple dozen people on it. Now that Wikipedia actually has such a list there are thousands of people who seem to have the same inquisitive notion about looking at such a list. Many other lists are also under the See also sections, that's one purpose of the section. Anyway, folks seem adamant that this was somehow a bad thing. I'll look at the list of actors and musicians, they must be numbered in the thousands, thanks for mentioning those. Randy Kryn 12:12 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Graham, I saw the mention of the deletion of vegan categories, which I wasn't aware of (I don't follow Wikipedia politics and voting pages), so my listing had nothing to do with that. Why the attacks on vegan pages? And on the list of actors, I found one which is a good candidate for See also's, the James Bond girls! Randy Kryn 21:02, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

People's dietary habits are not considered defining characteristics for categories. I'm not sure what you mean by your comment about the Bond girl article, but it does not need a see also entry to Lists of actors and any articles about the Bond girls really should have a link to the article about the concept somewhere in the text ... remember: the see also section should not repeat links found elsewhere in the article. Graham87 02:03, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi Graham, I was also wondering why List of vegans was being removed. It's a popular page by list standards and diet often is a key issue for the people whose page it has been added to. Having it only in the vegetarian navbox makes it less likely to be noticed. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 00:18, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

@SlimVirgin: I can't think of any other list that is highlighted that way on Wikipedia, especially not in a biography. Also, the guideline on see also sections says that "as a general rule, the "See also" section should not repeat links that appear in the article's body or its navigation boxes." Graham87 02:41, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi again. The mention of 'veganism' in a page doesn't seem to be the same as 'List of vegans', as one article is about the diet itself and the other is a list of adherents and activists. Two different animals of the same species maybe, but the two can't mate (to give a metaphoric twist to it). There is another rule or article somewhere that mentions that See also's, categories, and templates are three different ways to highlight a page, and can all be used for the same subjects (different people look at different things. I, for one, seldom look at categories, but usually look at See also's and templates). This has been an interesting discussion, and makes me hungry. Thanks again for thinking this through. I still believe that at least allowing the List of vegans See also on pages of people who are public activists in some way may be a good mid-point. Randy Kryn 12:25, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

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@Werieth: Thanks for the note, fixed. Graham87 05:27, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

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Hello,

Thanks for the email.. I was guessing that is what happened. I am having to update a wiki page for my History class and have never done this before. Thanks for the help so far. I might need more as this is way new to me. I will be updating this page today or tomorrow with a big update and will try to get my sources on there correctly.

Thanks again,

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Hello, thanks for your edits to Scott McPhee, among other articles about Australian Paralympians. However, Wikipedia doesn't use measurement conversions in names of sporting events, so I've removed the instance of {{convert}} that you added to that article. Graham87 02:27, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

So, what if a reader is from US, (where people use miles)? Ping me here, please.--Mishae (talk) 02:37, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

@Mishae: They use a calculator if necessary, as any reader would in the instances when it is recommended that conversion templates not be used. I've moved my initial message here so the conversation is all kept in one place. Graham87 02:44, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

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Hello, How Are You, I See We Agree to Disagree on Many Subjects And Revisions, I Am Sure You Are Kind And Have Good Intentions, And As You Are More Experience At Editing, But I Try To Be As Accurate as Possible And Not Make Things Up? I Appreciate Yo Not Change EVERY Single Page I Edit, And You Leave A MessageInstead Of Changeing Everything. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NEWCOMER80 (talk • contribs) 08:13, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

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Between you and I

Mrs. Drmies agrees, but I think you're an incredible pedant, of course! I did wonder how long this was going to stand. :) Drmies (talk) 18:44, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

@Drmies: Wow!, thank you! I'll take that as a compliment, naturally. Graham87 01:00, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Between you and I, the book cited in note 19, "a little book on bad English", is indeed as bad as Google Books led me to believe. I confirmed the quote--the guy does say that he thinks the phrase is "from the last twenty years or so". What's even funnier is some of its phraseology: "The kind of Bad English I was concerned with in compiling it is rarely to be found either in well-educated or in uneducated speech and writing, both of which have their strengths and weaknesses". Note the terrifically awkward "it", which actually has an antecedent two sentences before--the actual book. Note the utter redundancy of the last clause. If Malleus were still around he'd rephrase drastically: "The examples of Bad English compiled in this book derive from middle-class speech and writing". Which probably also has "strengths and weaknesses". And note the use of "both" to yoke together not two but four things (in buckram suits, perhaps). Anyway. These books tirritate the hell out of me! To hell with pedantry! :) Drmies (talk) 01:59, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

@Drmies: Oh ... dear. That's all I have to say. :-) Graham87 02:05, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

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@Redrose64: Thanks for letting me know; JAWS doesn't inform me about preformatted text, and I've occasionally insert it into articles by accident. That's the first time I've ever used that template ... it seemed the best fit for what I was trying to convey. Graham87 01:53, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

translation of foregin article into english

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I've created my account on polish wikipedia and I wanted to translate my polish article into english. In order to do this I've logged in to english wikipedia but it says that my page doesn't exist. I thought tahta one account is working on every wikipedia but now I don't know. Do I have to create a new account on english wikipedia and any other language to create a article?

But anyway I've tried to write a new article on wikipedia in my sandbox. I've done it on english wikipedia from my polish account. It's been reviewed and now it's available on english wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MegKrk/sandbox. But the title is wrong. It's User:MegKrk/sandbox whereas it should be titled EXPO Krakow. How can I change that? Can you help me?

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MegKrk (talk) 08:17, 5 August 2014 (UTC)MegKrk

(my page doesn't exist on english wikipedia, but it's my polish account as I mentioned in the first paragraph)

(talk page stalker) @MegKrk: Your account was created on 27 January 2014, and since this is later than May 2008, it will have been set up as a unified login account (Polish version of the same page). This means that your login ID and password are the same for all Wikipedia languages, and you don't need to set up new accounts.

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Snow-White and Rose-Red response

The dashes were added to the names of Snow-White and Rose-Red were added that time because that's how the article and story are named. Did I leave anything out? --Rtkat3 (talk) 02:08, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Oh, you were talking about the rewriting I did as a way to make the sentence right. Is that what you mean? --Rtkat3 (talk) 02:14, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

So I guess you aren't pleased with the spacing of different bullet areas then. I thought the spacing would separate them to keep them from getting clustered. --Rtkat3 (talk) 02:19, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

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Some baklava for you!

For your work on sports articles. Hawkeye7 (talk) 11:35, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Oh my gosh

Via Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tropical cyclones/Tracks, "Maybe if they are that colorblind, they shouldn't be on a computer?" I am speechless. Bgwhite (talk) 05:42, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

@Bgwhite: Yeah, crazy stuff. All I have to say is ... wow, and not in a good way. By the time I could think of something to say in reply to that message, you'd responded to it already, and by the time I'd composed a reply to your response, I got edit-conflicted. Graham87 06:06, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Thanks for all the additions!

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Faya-Largeau

Hi Graham87! I understand your point of view but I'm sorry to tell you the previous article was incomplete, too short, without any details and didn't correctly describe Faya-Largeau's climate. If you think I'd be able to put wrong or unreferenced information, you aren't right because I've tried to add my official sources such as meteorology or climatology books written by famous scientifics or documentation of some meteorology-teaching schools but each time, it didn't work when I tried to save my changes with included sources or references. In addition, if you're thinking I always put my subjective point of view in some articles, I'll be trying to improve that in order to be neutral when editing. There are many people which do this, especially in climate sections by using expressions such as "extremely hot", "extremely dry" or "extremely sunny" but I say the truth all the same when I use these expressions to show that the climate is extreme in several domains. I can give you all my sources if you want, so that you can believe me later because I just want to improve this encyclopedia by adding some important things or information for example cause I may seem arrogant but I find some articles really empty, incomplete and sometimes of no use. Paul tk (talk) 17:16, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

So, when I tried to add some references to an article, either it said it couldn't save the article for a unknown reason, either it said the reference I was trying to add was blacklisted. I have reliable and good-reputation sources, though but when I was trying to add a reference based on a school documentation, it was in fact among the blacklist, so I had no choice but to delete the references and to save the modification added to the article. For Faya-Largeau's climate, I found a good book-based reference talking about temperatures, rainfall and sunshine for the whole Borkou Region. I can give you the links so that you could try to put the sources inside the article in order to see whether it works or not. Paul tk (talk) 07:34, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Here is the source link for Faya-Largeau's climate. The book is written in french. http://www.persee.fr/web/revues/home/prescript/article/geo_0003-4010_1968_num_77_421_15662 Just go down the page and find the climate context section where is showed all data about temperatures, rainfall and sunshine. This isn't the blacklisted source but it still doesn't work when I try to input it. It always says me a loading error happened. I have another reliable source talking about subtropical high pressure belt and this is the weirdly blacklisted one. Paul tk (talk) 08:50, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Honestly, I found this source mostly reliable. All data looks correct, temperatures averages and extremes, rainfall amount and sunshine duration. The showed maps in this book are the official World Maps of Climatology. As the book is somewhat old, written data may be a bit incorrect but it seems to really be near the truth. Although everyone seems to think that old data can't be reliable, I don't share this mind cause old data can be as reliable as recent data. And for the blacklisted source, I'll try what you advised me to do and I'll tell you whether it works. In addition, this is a really good source which says everything about subtropical high pressure, so I'd be very proud if this source could be added to the article. I tried the nowiki tags and it doesn't appear as a reference but as a simple link. And I'm really sorry you're blind Paul tk (talk) 09:49, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Okay! I'll do it! <nowiki>https://www.google.fr/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&ei=XpT0U-H-DIjN7AaT_YD4Dw&url=http://people.sca.uqam.ca/~presyn/NotesdeCoursS2611/S2611Sujet6A_01c.3.pdf&cd=13&ved=0CEcQFjAM&usg=AFQjCNFqfBIBrFnnNH2o9QDSi1kXKhEAhQ</nowiki> Paul tk (talk) 12:27, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your help and your help! I now hope I won't get any problem anymore with Wikipedia! Good job! Paul tk (talk) 13:09, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Twin city vandalism / edit filter

Hello Graham87,

as you thanked me for a recent edit undoing vandalism, you are now the sysop I come to you with a request for help. That vandalism was one in an ongoing series, see also my contributions which are almost exclusively undoing such vandalism. I have requested an edit filter to counter this, but the request has gone nowhere so far. Maybe you could have a look? Greetings from Berlin, --Null Drei Null^talk 17:46, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Chris Gardner

Hi Graham, thanks for your message re: my edit to the Chris Gardner page. I'm not a frequent editor, but I try to correct grammatical or link problems as I see them. I thought the reference date problem on the Chris Gardner page was simply a mistyping of the link, and didn't realize it was outright vandalism. Glad I was able to help in this circumstance.

Oh yeah, hopefully you can tell that I'm not overly savvy with putting links in these types of messages. :-)

Chriskalexander (talk) 06:43, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Medal was not accepted

Hi Graham Eric Russell here, I just wanted to correct one error in my page and that is with regard to -changing my mind and accepting the medal the next day. Guttman tried to do that but I never accepted it. team manager Kevin Betts tried to give it to me on the plane home but I again refused it. My girl friend at the time had it until it was donated to a rugby cancer sufferer via an auction at QLD Rugby and purchased by a Real Estate company.

My email is ericrusselladam.com.au Cheers and thanks for your time and effort Eric R — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.249.82.113 (talk) 13:08, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Replied by email. If it's not too much trouble, could one of my talk page stalkers send me the text of the source cited for this statement? I can't read it. Thanks! Graham87 15:02, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

The only paragraph that mentions Russell (and the last one in the article) reads: Eric Russell of Australia set a world record in his discuss division Thursday, then refused the gold medal in a protest against the entry of politics. However, Friday Russell said he had changed his mind and accepted the medal. Happy to write out the full article for you if you want though, it's not that long. Jenks24 (talk) 15:17, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

@Jenks24: Yes please. This source seems interesting, but I'll look into this issue more tomorrow. Graham87 15:26, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I'm aware that it's a blog, but it has its own Wikipedia article ... sorta, and it cites its sources. Graham87 15:32, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

OK, here goes (article is titled "Paraplegic defects in Toronto"):

Toronto (AP) – Politics, which have been simmering in the background of the Olympics for the Physically Disabled, erupted Friday with the defection of one athlete and the withdrawal of three more countries.

Dr. Robert Jackson, chairman of the Games, said that Lure Szeleny of Hungary had disappeared from the team's quarters Thursday night and no trace of him has been seen. Jackson said defection had to be considered the reason.

A paraplegic, Szeleny was not with his team when they left for the airport on the way home Friday. The Hungarians withdraw because of the participation in the Games of South Africa.

Poland and Cuba have also pulled out because they disagree with the South African policy of apartheid.

Kenya, Jamaica, Uganda, Yugoslavia and India already had withdrawn from the Olympics.

Jackson said a check had been made of metropolitan Toronto hospitals in case the missing Hungarian had been hurt.

"There was no sign of him so we must consider that he has defected," Jackson said.

At a news conference, Sir Ludwig Guttman, president of the International Stoke Mandeville Games Federation, deplored the entry of politics into the Games for the disabled and defended the organization's policy of allowing South Africa to compete.

Referring to the fact that the South African team is integrated, Guttman said the disabled athletes are the first who have broken through the apartheid policy of South Africa.

"The feeling of our athletes against the attempts to use our Games as a political pawn is extremely high," he said.

Eric Russell of Australia set a world record in his discuss division Thursday, then refused the gold medal in a protest against the entry of politics. However, Friday Russell said he had changed his mind and accepted the medal.

Hope it's OK to quote a full article like this. Best, Jenks24 (talk) 15:49, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks very much! Graham87 15:51, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

I've fixed the article up, hopefully. Graham87 09:45, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Edit to brain fart

Ive been trying to propose so could you just quit. ? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Harderthanlife (talk • contribs) 04:00, 31 August 2014 (UTC)