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Happy New Year!

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GreenC,
Thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia, and a Happy New Year to you and yours! North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 21:26, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

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Orphans

Hi, could you please give GreenCBot an extra task of removing orphan tags from articles that have at least one incoming link from mainspace articles, lists and index pages but not disambig pages or redirects as per WP:Orphan. The category is Category:All orphaned articles but exclude Category:Orphaned articles from February 2009 as an admin is checking those.A rough estimate is there are at least 10,000 misplaced tags, thanks Atlantic306 (talk) 13:59, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi Atlantic306 - 10k is a lot. Normally Bots go through the WP:BRFA process to give the community notice of intention and time to respond before it runs. I can't add it to GreenCbot's existing processes because they have been pre-approved for other tasks. It's not a technically difficult bot request though, at least for GreenC bot libraries. Suggest post this request to WP:BOTREQ for initial feedback. Assuming no one else takes it up in a few days I will open a BRFA. Will help to show a previous discussion if one exists. -- GreenC 14:33, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Will do, thanks Atlantic306 (talk) 14:36, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Nomination of Brian Hamburger for deletion

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Grammar

Why are you reverting my edits? On what parameters you've decided that the edits are not adding value? Accesscrawl (talk) 14:12, 25 June 2018 (UTC) Accesscrawl (talk) 14:12, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Because they are grammatically incorrect, or change the meaning, or modify a direct quote. -- GreenC 14:14, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Grammar errors are incorrect? Which?

Change meaning of which? Accesscrawl (talk) 14:19, 25 June 2018 (UTC) Accesscrawl (talk) 14:19, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Following up on your talk page. Please keep the conversation there I won't respond further here. -- GreenC 14:22, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Post-classical history

Thank you for your suggestions about the sources, The progress is slow going but I am trying to work on your suggestions while also expanding the article. Right now there are still more regional sources but I have been looking at world history sources, mostly text books Thankfully I personally own some books about 'world-history' in this period that will be of some use.

If you could, I would appreciate you looking over the article now and the future, your suggestions are appreciated. -Sunriseshore

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I heart yer bot. Thanks! Geekdiva (talk) 04:30, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

List of Syrian Civil War barrel bomb attacks article tags

First, thank you for sending your "thanks" on my revert of List of Syrian Civil War barrel bomb attacks. However, the user who added the sourcing tag reached out to me after bringing up the sourcing concerns on the article talk page. Given that tags are not article content per se, I am assuming good faith and restored those tags. And, frankly, nearly *every* article can be improved with good sourcing.

If you feel I am in error (i.e. that the tag shouldn't be added until *after* the discussion has completed) feel free to remove the tag - I am ambivalent on the tag's existence while the discussion is ongoing. Regardless, though, if this is a topic of interest to you, I suggest you join in on the talk page to see that we can reach consensus on how the article should be sourced.

Thanks!

--KNHaw ^(talk) 18:17, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

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Unresolvable redirects

Do the archive bots fix links like [1]? (I've fixed it manually in Start All Over by adding the new URL.) The access-date is from 2009 and the link was never archived to the Wayback Machine, but the citation was never tagged as broken. Is it because of {{cite AV media}}? Jc86035 (talk) 18:27, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

I don't know why it wasn't tagged dead, sometimes there is a delay as it doesn't tag on first attempt in case of false-positive. The link is available at archive.is [2] so what would have happened is it would have been tagged dead by IABot, then WaybackMedic would have found the archive.is link and replaced it. With that said, it looks like a soft-404 with little usable content. -- GreenC 18:37, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. The current URL does contain the video, for what it's worth. Jc86035 (talk) 18:52, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious

Two years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:42, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

1970 archive links in featured article

What are all these recent additions of broken 1970 archive links in a featured article? I deleted one, and then realized how widespread it was. It seems to have happened on July 31 and again August 7. Nfitz (talk) 19:59, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Those edits are by InternetArchiveBot written and maintained by User:Cyberpower678. They are aware of the problem it is T194610. IABot should ignore perma.cc links because converting to the perma-archives.org domain is no longer working correctly. There is no known way to convert perma.cc to a long-form. I'll follow up in the Phab ticket. -- GreenC 20:55, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. I had no idea what best course of action was! Nfitz (talk) 18:02, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Further assistance?

Thank you for the clarification regarding the use of archive-url. In this case, the original reference link was dead link tagged. I was unable to identify a true archived page for that url, however, I did find the same article at newspapers.com. I know this is not ideal, since it is a subscription-based service, but it was the only 'live' article version that came up in my searches. I would love your help to advise me regarding the preferred method for this type of citation link update (rather than archive-url, which I agree was not an ideal choice). That is, updating a dead link reference using a different url linking to a duplicate posting of the original newspaper article. I am not sure whether it is acceptable to simply 'substitute' the new url, or whether there is a best practice/tag/template for this type of update. Thank you, in advance, for your answer. Still learning, Laatu (talk) 13:11, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

@Laatu: ahh best practice is a good question .. I opened it up to the experts here. -- GreenC 13:48, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

@GreenC: Thank you! Looking forward to the responses. Laatu (talk) 14:22, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

@Laatu: I went ahead and did this making a double citation since each source URL a different citation, even though the underlying content is the same. -- GreenC 15:09, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

@GreenC: I like that, thank you! It is a clever way to make the update without losing the original source information. I really appreciate your help with this! Laatu (talk) 15:10, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

Global catastrophic risk

According to what are you undoing in Special:Diff/855635170? Sam Sailor 19:21, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

Suggest discuss this on the article talk page, there is no consensus for that edit. -- 19:24, 19 August 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by GreenC (talk • contribs)

I am all ears if you can tell me on which P&Gs you base the idea that pre-empty archiving and MOS changes should qualify for undoing. Those kinds of edits very rarely qualify for a formal discussion. Sam Sailor 19:39, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

The use of an optional switch in the archive interface tool that increases the article size by 20% and clutters it up, and a custom script that makes significant changes to the wikisource layout and complexity, would be welcome for discussion on the talk page where other members of the community can participate. -- GreenC 19:49, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

Wikiwix

Do you see my last message : https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Pmartin#19/07 ? Pmartin (talk) 16:41, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

{{Calendar date}}

As I said elsewhere, I am most appreciative of your adding this infrastructure. Thank you.

• Let me bring your attention to {{Hebrew year/rhdatum}}, which I created mainly for the purpose of populating {{Hebrew year}}. For the purpose of that template, the main thing that the subtemplate does that your .js files don't do is to return the day of the week, also.
• However, I'll also note that I did start inserting it into a few other articles in place of manual date changes; you probably noticed that. I'd venture that in most cases, your template handles things as well as my subtemplate does, and I'm happy for you to substitute.
• Note, though, that one other thing that my subtemplate does is to return the date in a form that can be used by the #time parser function as a basis for calculation. Now, I'm not sure what your background is, but if you were not aware, between 1 Adar (or 1 Adar II in a leap year) and 29 Cheshvan, the number of days is always fixed. Therefore, any date can be derived as the addition or subtraction of a fixed number of days from the Rosh Hashana (or Passover) within the interval. Since Hanukkah, 10 B'Tevet and Tu B'Shvat do not fall within that interval, the calculation does not work for them. But it works for most everything else.
• Because of this, one does not necessarily need to generate .js/.json files on every possible notable Jewish calendar date; one can use a calculation instead. So I ask the following question, and make the following point:
  • Is it worth merging my file into your Rosh Hashana.js file, by adding a "Unix date" (or whatever) to each year's entry? Or should we just leave my bit separate.
  • I would invite you to use my coding when you don't want to clutter your template with additional supporting .js files.

StevenJ81 (talk) 14:44, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi Steven thanks for the message about your work I wasn't really aware (I recall seeing some interesting date forumlas in an infobox which I thought was impressive actually). This template is an experiment in fully-automated moveable dates. I started with the Jewish holidays somewhat randomly - I knew they could be calculated (though didn't know all could, nor the formula) but didn't want to go down the road of making a full calculator program as there are so many moveable date types (celestial, Muslim, etc) it would be a major undertaking, and not all can be calculated. The datafile method has some pros and cons. The Lua program itself is fairly basic and universal in terms of being able to handle any moveable date type since the intelligence is offloaded to the datafile creator, anyone can easily add new holidays just by copying data they find on the Internet; anyone can easily modify the data; it allows for a place to keep the holiday-specific configurations in the JSON header area. On the con side creating datafiles and keeping them up to date (though stable for decades). My ultimate vision was to move the data to Wikidata, with JSON a stepping stone, and I've been in conversation with someone there - but there may be a problem due to limits with Lua and how Wikidata handles moveable dates - one needs to run a query but Lua can't do queries. Still investigating that avenue and that is where things are right now. I could investigate date calculations assuming the calculator is user-provided in some way. Not sure how that would work programmatically (it would be meta-programming) but it might be possible your calculator can be a single line in the JSON cfg data which the Lua program then runs. -- GreenC 20:04, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

@StevenJ81: I'm trying out the calculator, this works when finding the start date of Yom Kippur

{{#time:Y-m-d|@{{Hebrew year/rhdatum|{{#timel:xjY|1 November 2018}}}}+9 days}}

2018-09-19

But does not work

{{#time:Y-m-d|@{{Hebrew year/rhdatum|{{#timel:xjY|1 November 2000}}}}+9 days}}

2000-10-09

It works well going into the future but not as well back in time. -- GreenC 01:49, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Ahh I see the dates are coded in {{Hebrew year/rhdatum}} 2014-2050. -- GreenC 15:08, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Movable dates

Hey, I just stumbled upon the movable dates discussion and wanted to make sure you have all the Jewish/Israeli dates, if not I could help with the ones you are missing. --Gonnym (talk) 20:29, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Hello Gonnym, configured holidays can be found in Module:Calendar_date/Events - if a holiday is type "calculator" it's pretty easy, but if it's "localfile" it's more difficult. I got lost trying to find them all, you could help look for missing holidays and determine if they can be done by calculator, or would need a localfile. Basically, if the holiday is moveable within the Hebrew calendar itself, it can't be calculated into Gregorian and would need a local data file listing the dates (eg. Module:Calendar date/localfiles/Leil Selichot and the Fast days). If the holiday occurs during Kislev, Tevet and Shevat it also can't be calculated. Do you have unix scripting experience even a little and access to a unix shell? -- GreenC 21:12, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Could you explain why those 3 months (Kislev, Tevet and Shevat) are problematic? And sadly I know only Java and no Unix experience. --Gonnym (talk) 21:23, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

This was explained by StevenJ81 in the post above about fixed dates between the Gregorian and Hebrew calendar so not possible to do offsets using the {{Hebrew year}} calculator for those months. -- GreenC 21:45, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

There are ways to calculate any of these if one is a serious programmer; I can try to find a source for you tomorrow. But the rules above limit how much can be calculated by a simple difference function from Rosh Hashanah. StevenJ81 (talk) 02:34, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

I've created a table with all (that I could find) events here. Also, do you think you can add to the module a field for when the date starts (at least for the Hebrew calendar)? This will make it easier verifying at a glance the information. --Gonnym (talk) 06:58, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

• The calculator doesn't use dates just offsets so the 'ground truth' is what it produces on output -- when adding them I carefully checked that it worked by comparing the old diff of the article page with the new diff, you could do the same. Like old and new. It is possible to show dates for the next 50 or 100 years in a work page, using a "for loop" rather than writing each one individually. Example.
• The table is good. Tenth of Tevet can't do right now, it crosses a year boundary and the template doesn't do well (I added some special code to get Hanukah working at least). Shushan Purim Katan, Shushan Purim, Seventh day of Passover, The Three Weeks, The Nine Days, Selichot, Seharane -- I didn't add because there is no infobox - that would be good to have. Mimouna could be added with the calculator (done). Any others missing need a localfile created from hebcal.com which I have a script for, but haven't run yet as it takes effort (hebcal unstable API output). And some are not available at hebcal. -- GreenC 14:17, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
• Of big help, would be to fill in the Hebrew year dates in Template:Hebrew_year/rhdatum because the calculator is currently limited to dates from 2014-2050. -- GreenC 14:36, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

Added more dates. --Gonnym (talk) 10:21, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

Gonnym, I reverted the added dates as it was causing the calculator to fail for some reason. Maybe there is a syntax error, or maybe the date ranges exceed a limit of the template. @StevenJ81: -- GreenC 14:24, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

I created Template:Hebrew_year/testcases, Template:Hebrew year/sandbox and Template:Hebrew year/rhdatum/sandbox - to edit and test freely without danger of changing the live template. You can see in the testcases page the sandbox version is generating a red error. -- GreenC 14:37, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

So the comment was causing the problems? Could you find a place to add it that it won't cause any problems? I think it's good to add so that someone won't use that site to add more dates as they aren't reliable (at least from that site). --Gonnym (talk) 14:44, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

Yeah the main script wasn't expecting the noincludes. I'm actually not too conversant with complex wiki templates to understand why. Maybe for now, document it in the main template doc page along with the other limits discussed above, a new section on limits and warnings. -- GreenC 14:47, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

Strictly for the purpose of the parent template {{Hebrew year}}, the fact that Hebcal calculates from the proleptic Gregorian calendar and doesn't make the Julian conversion (in 1584, 1753 or any other time) doesn't actually matter, as long as the MediaWiki #time parser function calculates the same way.

• I still wouldn't go back farther than, say, the time of Hillel II, because once it's possible to introduce the Sanhedrin's specifically making a proclamation, using the fixed calculation is no longer appropriate.
• Even if you find a source, I wouldn't go forward much past AM 6000 for now.

Obviously, if you want to use the output to calculate in articles and infoboxes, that might be a different issue. StevenJ81 (talk) 17:24, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

• GreenC, I just wanted to pop in and thank you for all your hard work. I have been away/offline and couldn't really participate, but your work is much appreciated. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 20:06, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

@Sir Joseph: - thank you. There is still a lot of work to be done, adding new holidays and events. Like the Carnivals which are based on a Easter calculator. If you want to help out that would be awesome following the other examples. -- GreenC 16:04, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

User:Gonzo fan2007/Stubs

Hi GreenC! A while back you created this page and table for me. I was wondering, if it is not too much of a pain, to run it again. But this time, could you have the default sort on the table be based on the size field. I have cleared off a good number of these, so the table should be shorter, but it is hard for me to trim the table of the pages I have already reviewed since it is sorted (in the wikitext) by the player name. Let me know if this is possible. Thanks! « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 17:56, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

You can change the sort by toggling the arrows at the top of the column. Assuming that does what you want, I'll keep the default as it would be more difficult to print the table elements sorted on the size field and since its a sortable table it shouldn't matter. -- GreenC 18:24, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

Sorting the table doesn't change the wikitext though. So right now the three largest articles Emmett Stuber, Breno Giacomini, and Josh Boyd. So once I finish them, in order to remove them from the table I have to search through the wikitext to find them (because in the wikitext they are in alphabetical order). If it isn't an easy fix though, don't worry about it. Thanks for producing the table again! « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 19:39, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

User:Gonzo_fan2007 OK I see. It turns out not to be as difficult as I thought, running the table now and will replace the other in a few minutes.. -- GreenC 20:00, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

Thank you! I appreciate the help. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 20:17, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

Ok done. I see what you mean now that it would make it easier to clear done cases. I'll run it again anytime. regards. -- GreenC 20:47, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

(..Emmett Stuber is #1 lol) -- GreenC 20:52, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

Ligand Pharma

Hi. Thanks for starting a clean-up of Ligand Pharmaceuticals. Are you working on further improvements? I think there's still far too much detail about the company's past financial misdemeanours (or in some cases, possibly misfortunes). In particular, I think the paragraph about Ligand's auditor (it was Deloitte) is not really relevant and should be removed or incorporated into the previous paragraph. There's much more that can be said about the company: its real history, managers, drugs development, collaborations, etc. For instance there are 31 other articles that link to it; the references that Cyp provided contain much information that he ignored; and there are even 80 hits (many minor, I suspect) in JSTOR.

But you may already be aware of these points and working on them. Please let me know - I'm keen to collaborate in seeing the article improved and restored to neutrality; not hiding the problems, but fitting them accurately within a wider framework. Ping Meatsgains as an interested party.  —SMALLJIM  22:47, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi I would concur with reducing or recasting past problems and expanding legitimate content, the npov tag is still there for that reason. I'm kind of done for right now, did some emergency surgery in light of the news announcement and traffic. Do continue if you have more ideas, thanks for checking. -- GreenC 23:13, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. Can't say I blame you for not wanting to pursue this, but I hope you'll keep an eye on it.  —SMALLJIM  10:25, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

Monsanto Cancer Case RfC - text has changed, please review

Hi there, please see amended proposed text here and let us know if you still approve, thank you! petrarchan47คุก 05:57, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

Review The Article

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?preload=Template%3AAfc+preload%2Fdraft&editintro=Template%3AAfC+draft+editintro&title=Draft:Lt_Gen_Asim_Muneer&create=Create+new+article+dr# Pak-MI (talk) 12:45, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

Video on Banksy's homapage

I reverted your deletion - look at the video at 0'11" - a test sheet of black paper is clearly cut by the circular blades, four strips (white on the back side) have gone around the roller... (PS: I do agree that the X-acto blades would not work - no idea why they are there...) Greetings, --Janke | Talk 15:41, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Moved discussion to Talk:Love_Is_in_the_Bin#Video_on_Banksy's_homapage. -- GreenC 15:57, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

A Dobos torte for you!

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FYI.

I think you voted the opposite of what you meant re: "fuck off" --David Tornheim (talk) 23:09, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

fuck fixed thanks! -- GreenC 23:49, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

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Central European Universitiy

Dear GreenC! I noticed that you contributed to the article Central European University in the past few days. I have the feeling that an editwar is coming, because user François Robere keeps deleting the government response to the accusations of CEU. Could You please take a look at his two latest edits? Thanks. --5.204.115.190 (talk) 14:44, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Happy Holidays

Best wishes for this holiday season! Thank you for your Wiki contributions in 2018. May 2019 be prosperous and joyful. --K.e.coffman (talk) 00:56, 22 December 2018 (UTC) Noël ~ καλά Χριστούγεννα ~ З Калядамі ~ חנוכה שמח ~ Gott nytt år!