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Imposter? :P

Just a curious question, are you TJW or an alien green hulk from outer space? :P Adityavagarwal (talk) 15:24, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

Still me. As I've gotten more active my wife started to have some privacy concerns and wanted me to get a name change. I'm not really hiding anything for someone who knows what they're doing. But at least it's slightly less obvious for a casual troll. GMG^talk 15:43, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

Also, what is wrong in being a hulk? :) He is a super hero after all! :D Adityavagarwal (talk) 15:59, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

I hear being a hulk really does terrible things to the cost of your home insurance. Yes, this your Allstate agent, I'm afraid we can't confirm that there was a tornado that missed every home in your neighborhood besides yours.GMG^talk 16:22, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

Lol, how about green lantern? :P Adityavagarwal (talk) 20:42, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

Actually, the inspiration came from this ~5 year old kid I met probably 10 years ago who was super proud of the fact that he knew Green means go. Red means stop. And yellow means drive like hell! And which of course he was more than happy to inform all the adults in the room. GMG^talk 20:56, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

FYI

An OTRS ticket link starts [[ticket:

not [[ticket#

--S Philbrick(Talk) 19:11, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

Ah. Force of habit. GMG^talk 20:11, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

The other option, of course, is to use {{OTRS ticket}}, but maybe I just like templates okay I'll go away now.... Primefac (talk) 21:02, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

I'm sure I'll eventually figure out all the odds and ends. I figure I'll try to knock out at least a few low hanging fruit a week till I do. It's easy to forget how complicated MediaWiki can be once you've spent ten years getting used to it. GMG^talk 21:48, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

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Because the Wiki, she has been 'round ver' long time....

{{Use American English|date=September 1877}} Anmccaff (talk) 19:50, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

Back in my day we edited with chalk and an eraser. SPIs were a piece of cake. You just knocked on the fellas door and bonked him on the head for trying to muck up your chalk board. GMG^talk 19:53, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

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15:27:42, 17 October 2017 review of submission by Alberto Castel

• Alberto Castel (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Lynn Rapu Tuki (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Greetings. First let me thank you for your observations regarding my draft, I have noticed the promotional tone in my article and will try to change it to be as neutral as possible. Regarding my references, most of them are in spanish since the information is mostly in that language, I think it is obvious but i have to ask anyways, that will make my article less verifiable for en.wikipedia ? Thank you for your time and answers.--Alberto Castel (talk) 15:27, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Hey Alberto Castel. While English language sources are generally preferred, because it makes it easier for English speaking readers to verify article content, it is not absolutely required, and non-English sources are allowed in cases where no English source of comparable quality is available. Having said that, because only a few of our Articles for Creation reviewers speak Spanish, it may take longer than usual for your draft to be reviewed, because most reviewers aren't comfortable accepting a draft if they can't thoroughly evaluate the sources. But fixing the issues I brought up will certainly help move it toward publication. If you have any questions feel free to drop by. GMG^talk 15:34, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Thank you very much!--Alberto Castel (talk) 15:46, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Don't bother

If you revert and block me, I can just go to another starbucks. I live in one of the busiest cities in the world. Block Me! (talk) 20:12, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Ok. We'll block you there too. We're very boring people with basically nothing better to do. GMG^talk 20:15, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Will we block you Here or There?

We Will Block You Everywhere!

We Do Not Like damned trolls with spam.

We Do Not Like You, Spam-I-Am.

Anmccaff (talk) 20:27, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

We'll block one account or two!

Several more? A range will do!

And if we just can't keep you blocked,

You'll find yourself globally locked. GMG^talk 20:29, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Havin' that (CC BY-SA 3.0 and all..) -- There'sNoTime ^{(to explain)} 20:34, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

• Like TonyBallioni (talk) 21:32, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Horton hears a WHOIS? Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 23:33, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

We're boned boys. Ritchie figured out who this stranger is on his watchlist. My cover is blown. Abort! Abort! Abort! GMG^talk 00:01, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

I'll see your Spam-I-Am and raise you Any 'Dmin Will Do, currently playing at the Dramaboard Playhouse. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:11, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

I'm not going to lie, I just saw that pop up and I was carefully considering where the best place to make a snarky comment about it would be. Do I smell the beginnings of a Signpost poetry contest? GMG^talk 17:14, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

I had the first two verses on my talk page for ages, but finished it off this afternoon. As for Signpost, well I think Bfpage is in charge of the humour department, so ask her. We could make Mr. Fuzzybottom be head judge. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:16, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) We need a new template that reads "talk page enjoyer" - this is stupendous!!! My thanks to all for there creativity and levity. The smile :-) you've brought to my Friday will carry me into the weekend. Cheers and thanks again to everyone. MarnetteD|Talk 17:17, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

(Talk page enjoyer) What you say? Alex Shih^Talk 17:31, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Thumbs up Alex Shih although, to be fair, we probably need a humorous essay to read for those that click on the link. MarnetteD|Talk 17:41, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Glad you enjoyed it. As to Mr. Fuzzybottom, I'm pretty sure judging poetry contests counts as messing around. Not really his cup of tea. He's more into destroying entire civilizations and sewing sowing salt into the ashes. GMG^talk 17:20, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

That's rather impressive. I've tried sewing with salt, and all it does is stain my clothes and attract goats. Primefac (talk) 17:41, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

I knew someone would needle him over this. Anmccaff (talk) 17:44, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

With threads like this, who needs enemies? Primefac (talk) 17:45, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Frenemies? No no no. We're professional here. I prefer "fair weather colleagues". GMG^talk 17:56, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

That's a rather umbrella term, if you ask me. Primefac (talk) 18:03, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

It's important to manage expectations to keep things low pressure. GMG^talk 18:11, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

The glass is falling hour by hour; the glass may fall forever;

But if you break the bloody glass, there's still some a---hole with a bagpipe? Anmccaff (talk) 18:29, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

In search of productivity,
I head on down to NPP.
That backlog's just a mile or three,
but ACTRIAL's going swimmingly.
Some cleanup and some CSD,
three {{reflists}} and one AfD.
And feeling good I check to see,
Wait...
WHAT THE SHIT HAPPENED TO AFC?!

GMG^talk 18:51, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

As I head down to dashboard, with homeboy J-Wood,

Dropping some rhymes, as I sweep across RD1.
It's been 10 years in the mop game,
Some things just never change,
stay the same, like AN/I time sink never ends.
Not a fan of AIV, more into RFPP,

Live and learn, as I patrol Queue and PERM.

— Alex Shih^Talk 19:27, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

I was channeling Shel Silverstein. I think you were channeling Eazy-E. GMG^talk 19:31, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Oh wait. I didn't click on the link. I was close though. GMG^talk 19:45, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Brilliant haha I am smelling the generation gap perhaps? :-D Alex Shih^Talk 20:03, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

When you have small children, you're never too old for Shel Silverstein. GMG^talk 20:15, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Speaking of groups needing adult supervision, ever see his Army stuff? Anmccaff (talk) 21:45, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

Like Dr Seuss war propaganda? GMG^talk 22:13, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

Corporal Silverstein did cartoons for Stars and Stripes, made two collections of them, with some new work. Couldn't remember the name of the first one offhand, it was Take Ten, but Grab Your Socks never lost its currency in my Army. Anmccaff (talk) 22:45, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

I like the E-6 telling the private what's what on the desert island. I assume immediately prior the private tried to fill his camel back with salt water. GMG^talk 23:04, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

Camelback? How...effete. This was the era of lister bags and chlorine and waterpoints, and can-effin'-teens, as God intended it; hence the old cadence call;

Sergeant Tentpole's turning green.

Someone pissed in his canteen.

found in various formats, although the line-and-a-pole seemed to be the favorite. Anmccaff (talk) 00:11, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Unable to understand really what you are talking.

You could explain me while we are walking...

Walking? I thought we were running?

Oh, yeah, stop for a while, or else the sweat will make us drown (ing)! Adityavagarwal (talk) 15:22, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Roses are red,

violets are violet,

that's why they're called violets. GMG^talk 15:26, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

That was easier to understand! :D

Looked like a different topic, like water contrasting sand.

Though the colours are blue and yellow.

Pokemon, pikachu or tailow? Adityavagarwal (talk) 15:39, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Roses come in many different varieties,
and we don't judge them based on the color of the pedals,
because that's racist.
Also violets don't much care for your horticultural hegemony.
Had people in 1590,
actually never seen a rose that wasn't red?
And by the way,
the color violet is named after the flower,
and not the other way around. GMG^talk 12:38, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

"Violet" is just blue

No purple on the rainbow

Thank Newton for that.

Primefac (talk) 16:09, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

<trivia>White roses were the symbol of the House of York from its founding by Edmund of Langley (5 June 1341 – 1 August 1402) and were used in the Wars of the Roses an English civil war of c.1455 to c.1487. So yes, people in 1590 had seen a rose that wasn't red.</trivia> Martin of Sheffield (talk) 15:03, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Is this a shiny hook which I see before me, the barbed point toward my mouth? Anmccaff (talk) 16:55, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Only if you're unlucky enough to come from that place to the west of "God's Own County". :-) Martin of Sheffield (talk) 19:09, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

I don't think anyone's really "from" the Pacific Ocean. GMG^talk 19:18, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

I think you really annoyed Fuzzybottom with that.... Anmccaff (talk) 19:24, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

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Removing an unmoved mover

If you get a sec, could you double-check the content of unmoved mover? A couple of the revision IDs you requested for revdel didn't seem to contain the content that you removed later on, but maybe I'm just missing something. The request is still visible in the history. Cheers, Primefac (talk) 13:11, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Hmm. Well I can't check very much it seems since it's been revdel'd already. I just... looked for the earliest diff that was large enough to contain the quote (a few thousand bytes at least), and it doesn't look like there is any revision in the interim that would have been a large enough of a removal in order to take it out. Not sure there's much else to be done, unless I'm missing the point, which is very possible. GMG^talk 13:20, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Ah, gotcha. Wasn't sure if you were using the copyvios tool or not. For future use, there's always WikiBlame to find when text was added to a page. Saves a bit of time and effort in the "find the diff" game. Primefac (talk) 13:23, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, that's usually the route I would have to go, but the thing was just so dang huge I figured it would have been visible on the page history from orbit. GMG^talk 13:25, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Incidentally, what was the 3k additional bytes you removed? I was only on my first cup of coffee, so I don't doubt that I missed something. GMG^talk 13:29, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

It was another rather large longquote that somehow lost its {{quote}} block and turned into regular text with no attribution. Primefac (talk) 13:51, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

• Unrelated comment as to how much I love this heading. TonyBallioni (talk) 14:05, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Name checks out. Has never been moved. GMG^talk 14:11, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, but does it bend with the remover to remove? If it does, the Lunchmeat can no longer love this heading. Anmccaff (talk) 15:42, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Wanna have your mind blown? God is indefinite move protected. So God was moved so much it had to be prevented from moving. At the same time, User:GOD doesn't have page mover rights, and has never moved a page. Checkmate. GMG^talk 15:47, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

List of census-designated places in Washington

Hi, I was still fighting with the submission form. I stopped it now. Thanks AVS (talk) 17:55, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Hey AVS. You should consider using Twinkle, which, among many other things, makes nominating for deletion much easier. GMG^talk 17:58, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

I hope, this does not happen often. I just searched some useful articles for fr WP. AVS (talk) 18:07, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

AN/I

Sorry about the edit conflict. Should we combine the close together or leave it the way it is now? Cheers, Alex Shih (talk) 23:24, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

I'm fine with it. The entire reason I went ahead and added mine was because we had both made previous comments, and I figured it reduced the likelihood someone undid the close because one or the other of us had prior involvement. GMG^talk 23:51, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

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Contributing

I wish to contribute articles in Wikipedia. But at first I should know all the rules to submit an articles. So please help me in this regard. Thank you so much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abaltabal (talk • contribs) 06:59, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Hey Abaltabal. Thanks for your interest in contributing and welcome to Wikipedia. I see you've already figured out a lot about how to use the software, and that's the first step. The second step is learning the kinds of standards we have for articles, and probably the best way to do that is to review our tutorial on writing your first article, or you might consider taking our interactive tutorial at The Wikipedia Adventure. These can help answer a lot of questions you probably haven't even thought to ask yet. After you've given them a look, if you have any additional questions, feel free to stop by and I'll be happy to help. GMG^talk 10:03, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Take a look

- at this and see if you check the boxes. When you've done the math and if it adds up, let me know. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:35, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

I'll admit I've browsed it on occasion. Although I would take issue with one thing: I can think of at least a few examples of people who actually probably did join the Army mostly to shoot big expensive illegal guns. But, you know, deep introspection is not always necessarily a requirement for being a good soldier.

I've put a bit of effort into finding excuses not to go out for a processes that might end up accomplishing nothing other than wasting the community's time. So I guess that's the real question, whether it's just likely time better spent on something else. But I don't have any problems serving the community, whatever it is that ends up looking like. I've been around a while, and I'm in for the long haul either way. GMG^talk 11:46, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

So with introspection, what would you rate your chances at RfA would be - in the hypothesis that you were to run? Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:47, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Probably better than 50/50, and you're probably a better person than me to judge. I'm sure the name change will come up. I noticed the issue was raised when TNT recently applied for oversight, and I realize that most people don't interact with me on the "back end", (email, OTRS, IRC) where I've retained my original username and make no secret about what my SUL account is. I would guess my AfC/D, AIV, CSD, etc. are all in acceptable territory. I'd like to think I fairly consistently treat others with the respect owed a coworker. At the same time, were I a third party, I don't know that I would have enough respect for my own opinion to support an RfA candidate based on my recommendation alone. I have however, routinely supported them based on yours. GMG^talk 13:16, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

I'd agree with that. You're definitely at 50-50 right now, might as well see if you can bump it to 100 ;) Primefac (talk) 13:28, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Hows about me and Primefac giving it some thought over the next couple of months? There's a tradition of heralding the New Year with a packet of RfAs. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:45, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

No rush. GMG^talk 14:49, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Sounds reasonable. If we can get SoWhy in on this we're set. Primefac (talk) 14:50, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Just a comment that some people had a lot less than 50-50 odds and made it, so you should give it a go sometime. TonyBallioni (talk) 14:52, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Piling on. Alex Shih (talk) 15:03, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

You realize, of course, that if we get too many co-nominators that the only !votes will be the opposition... though it would be hilarious to have n cosponsors, where n = num_admins - 1. Primefac (talk) 15:06, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Jeez, I suggested GMG should run for RfA at some point towards the end of this year back in July. (I'd give you the diff but it's with his old username.) Bloody copycats, the lot of you :-P Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:22, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

It's a popular bandwagon. Since you're here, Ritchie333, check out my 50-50 link above and see if you can get SW in on the action. We've already got 10 co-nominators but one more should do it ;) Primefac (talk) 16:35, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

I followed another link but since my name was mentioned here (and thus it stood out thanks to the name highlighter script I have installed), I had to read this thread. To make things short: I'm on vacation from tomorrow to Nov 7 but if you really want me to nominate you, I'll be happy to vet you once I'm back (and have worked through whatever my boss puts on my desk in the next two weeks). Regards SoWhy 19:50, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Well... I had considered that the two of you were some of the opinions I personally value highly when you weigh in at RfAs. Besides that, I'm not really buddy-buddy with either of you, and so I figured you were the mostly likely to flatly tell me no if you found something the least bit concerning. GMG^talk 19:55, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

The logic is sound. I'll take a look when I'm back from the States. Regards SoWhy 20:24, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Enjoy your trip. If you can manage to make it to Appalachia, please do. It's beautiful here, and you're missing out if you never see it. Also, as someone who started to grow up in Bavaria, it is... exceptionally oddly nostalgic to see someone refer to it as "the States". GMG^talk 02:04, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Some editors took the Commons mantra of "OMG NOTCENSORED nudity!!!!111one1" too far....

• Since I have every third admin on the project here, somebody wanna semi Thaana Serndha Kootam? I honestly have no idea what exactly is supposed to be going on there, but the edits are coming faster than I can figure out what they are. GMG^talk 15:08, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

  Oof. Protected for a day, if only so I can suss out what the hell is happening. Primefac (talk) 15:10, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

IKR? It's just a shotgun blast of IPs and new accounts. GMG^talk 15:10, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

And... that's what you get for asking the peanut gallery. At least Alex managed to give a time longer than mine, 'cause that would have been awkward otherwise. Primefac (talk) 15:12, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Protect conflicted with Primefac. I think it's a combination of vandalism+disruptive editing+poorly sourced additions. Alex Shih (talk) 15:15, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

See, GMG, you need to have the tools so you can twinkle conflict on protecting a page too. TonyBallioni (talk) 15:16, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Oh jeez. I forgot one can use TW to protect pages... Primefac (talk) 15:27, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Speaking of bits, looks like our good buddy Jon is about to be my go-to admin to bother with my commons problems. GMG^talk 15:28, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Good for him. Commons needs all the hands it can get after the INC mess. TonyBallioni (talk) 15:35, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

I haven't looked at Commons in any serious depth in years, not since Russavia was a crat and basically defending to the hilt pictures of penises and girls masturbating. Has it got better since? Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:17, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Well, the theoretical physics is beyond me, but I'm pretty sure at some point you reach a critical mass of dicks, a dick horizon if you will, where no further argument can be made that more dicks can possibly serve any as yet un-served potential educational purpose. GMG^talk 17:33, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

"Caesar, I tire of ass' milk - go and get me some fruitloops"

Ritchie333 commons:Template:Nopenis is a thing now, apparently. I only go over there now to deal with copyvio issues in new articles, but they still have Tracy as the 2nd search result for fruitloops (NSFW/children). TonyBallioni (talk) 20:31, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

What a waste of good cereal. Primefac (talk) 20:52, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

I'm not eating those after she's been in that - how do you know she hasn't peed in it? Disgusting.... Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:05, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

No, you know she hasn't because c:Category:Nude women urinating in milk doesn't exist. TonyBallioni (talk) 21:09, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

I... I'll just say that being a parent makes you look at nude women and milk in a completely different way. I look forward to some time in the future when I won't be up at 5AM washing and assembling pump parts. GMG^talk 21:14, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Been there, done that. Also, if I have to fish another bra out of the washing machine that's managed to get itself tangled in absolutely everything else, making it a complete pain to hang the laundry out, I will probably scream. I hate the bloody things. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:09, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

• (talk page stalker) fwiw from a non-admin I'd support per what Kudpung said :) DrStrauss talk 17:42, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Hey Dr S. Incidentally, looks like I was late to the party over the whole AfC thing. But just FYI, if you ever want a second opinion on a draft hit me up. Also, don't take it personally. I don't think there's anyone terribly active at AfC who hasn't gotten advice from DGG, and it's usually good advice. GMG^talk 17:48, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Pushpin map

Good night, GreenMeansGo. I would like to know if there is any pushpin map of the province of Badajoz and other provinces. Cofrade2016 (talk) 18:45, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Hey Cofrade2016. Honestly, I haven't worked with push pin maps very much. I do remember that User:Sphilbrick was doing some work with them the other day, so maybe they can offer some good advice. If they're busy, you may want to ask at The Teahouse where someone who has more experience with these types of maps might be able to weigh in. GMG^talk 18:51, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Prasophyllum

Hello GreenMeansGo,

• 1. Please explain what you meant by “not enough article for this” on the Prasophyllum page. Orchids in the genus Prasophyllum are different from those in most other genera in that their flowers are not resupinate. Most orchid have resupinate flowers but those in Prasophyllum and Microtis are non-resupinate - that is, the labellum is above rather than below the column. The labelled diagram was included on the page to show that arrangement to general readers not familiar with orchid morphology.
• 2. The effect of your change to the Wikimedia Commons link is that now the link is on a different part of the page from the link to Wikispecies. That means it is difficult to find and is different from the links on nearly all other Australian orchid pages, including about 350 Caladenia, 300 Pterostylis pages and all the Prasophyllum pages written so far.

Please revert the changes you made to the Prasophyllum page. Gderrin (talk) 20:06, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Hey Gderrin. The problem with the image was that it stacked with the infobox when viewed on a more medium resolution monitor and bled over into the following section, where it messed up the column formatting. If you are viewing from a narrower resolution monitor or a wide resolution monitor you may not have seen this, since the article formatting resizes itself to the width of your screen, but it's usually best to test an article's formatting on a few different resolutions to see how it might appear differently to different readers. For these medium resolution monitors, it made the list in the next section one extremely long single column list, instead of a two column list. The other option would have been to include a {{clear}} after the image, but that would have resulted in a lot of white space in between the sections.

As to the sister project links, I'm not sure if this is actually spelled out in policy anywhere, but it is general convention that sister projects are used inline when there is not enough space to use the regular templates (to avoid having a lot of empty white space on the left), and then transferred to the regular templates where there are enough other external links (to avoid having a lot of empty white space on the right). Compare Adenanthos cuneatus, which is an WP:FA. The Wikisource template is used regularly, but the commons template is used inline, because using them both regularly would have created extra white space. Hopefully this helps explain things a little better. GMG^talk 20:20, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for your explanation. That being the case, there are probably other plant pages with the same problem for medium resolution monitors. I would be grateful for a solution to the problem rather than just deleting the image. Perhaps it would be better to have the species list on a separate page? In the case of the templates, there are about 1,000 plant pages with both the Wikimedia Commons and Wikispecies templates as they were before you changed them. Is there are better solution than having the two links in different places? Perhaps like the arrangement on the Banksia serrata (also WP:FA)? Gderrin (talk) 20:43, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Hey Gderrin. Oh... The external links on the article for Banksia serrata was actually really badly formatted, and they were even in the wrong section entirely, which is surprising considering it was only promoted to FA this summer. I wish I had been part of the FA review; I would have said something. I've arranged things a bit more to try to reduce that. Also it looks like the closest thing we have to policy on this is Help:Whitespace.

As far as keeping the image, the most straightforward thing to do would be to expand the article so that it can support more high quality images. This kindof problem crops up fairly often on subjects that have very short articles but might have literally hundreds or even thousands of images available on commons: everybody wants their image included in particular, and sometimes you end up with articles that are barely readable, especially on mobile or mobile app, which overall I believe is about what half our readers use. Similarly with the external links, the best solution that helps build a better encyclopedia is to find high quality external links so that all of the non-sister project links can be on the left, while all the sister projects can be on the right.

The problem with plants is basically the problem with Wikipedia. This place is huge! We can't always make everything completely consistent, all we can try to do is leave the project better tonight than we found it this morning. GMG^talk 21:42, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Khalid (singer) image

Hi User:GreenMeansGo, apologies if your the wrong person to ask, but can you get an image of singer Khalid please? The last one was deleted, but I'd like to get another image for representation and also because here [1] I added a not so common achievement of his (two UK top 10 singles in two weeks) to the List of UK top 10 singles in 2017 article, because it's in a caption it needs an image. If not, do you any users who can please? Cheers. Theo (edits) 23:51, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Hey Theo. Using a non-free use rationale for living public figures can be a losing battle, since theoretically, any person at any public event could make a free version using their phone and a few seconds. You might want to check out our instructions at Wikipedia:Finding images tutorial. It's possible someone had already uploaded something to a place like Flickr under an acceptable license. If you find such an image, let me know and I can help upload it correctly. If not, often it's useful to just email the person or their representatives and ask that they follow the guidance at WP:CONSENT and release an image for us to use. We're one of the most visited sites in the world, and often more visited then their own official websites, so there's a definite incentive to help us build a better encyclopedia.

Sorry I can't be more helpful, but copyright can be really complicated, since copyright has to do with law, and law is complicated. GMG^talk 00:56, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for explaining how it works, Went to Flickr and found these [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10] Any good? Theo (edits) 01:13, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Hey Theo. Unfortunately no. If you look in the bottom right of those images, they all say "all rights reserved". What you're looking for is one that says "some rights reserved" and links to a Creative Commons license, like this one. GMG^talk 01:43, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

That's a shame, there the only Khalid pictures I could find on there, thanks anyway GreenMeansGo. Theo (edits) 04:42, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Theo: Like I said, you can always try emailing them and asking them to release a picture under a creative common license. Worst case scenario is they say no. GMG^talk 10:47, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Murder of Reuven Shmerling

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Elektra12 (talk) 12:02, 25 October 2017 (UTC)HELLOElektra12 (talk) 12:02, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Elektra12 (talk) 12:02, 25 October 2017 (UTC)Hi Im The person who writed the Elektra Kadriaj page. Idk what is wrong with this page. YOu were saying that Is a living person. Buuut, When we search for famous peoples they are alive too. So? Help me please. Thanks! :D Elektra12 (talk) 12:02, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Hey Elektra12. Articles which cover living persons are especially sensitive, not only because we want to avoid doing any harm with the content we write, but also because they potentially expose the Wikimedia Foundation to litigation that can sap what very limited time and resources are available to help build a better encyclopedia with. Because of this, all content related to biographies of living persons need to be supported by sources that meet our standards for reliability.

If you would like to try again, you should consider starting the article as a draft using our Article Wizard and submitting it to our Articles for Creation project, where it can be reviewed by an experienced volunteer who can offer feedback prior to publishing. You may also want to review our tutorial on writing your first article, or consider taking our interactive tutorial at The Wikipedia Adventure. GMG^talk 12:17, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Ethel Benjamin image

Wow, you're fast. I just uploaded that! --GRuban (talk) 16:46, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Hah. I be up in the latest files feed snatching pictures. Sorry about that. Sometimes you get in the way of someone uploading files specifically for en.wiki. Sometimes you get lucky and catch files that were uploaded for other language projects (or no project at all) that should be here too. GMG^talk 16:49, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

No apology necessary - but be sure you read the fine print! There is a small, but non-negligible, chance this will lead to an argument that you may have just gotten yourself involved in (for example). --GRuban (talk) 17:07, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Well... wouldn't be the first time I found my Wikipedia account mentioned in reliable sources. GMG^talk 17:27, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

I'm uh... just gonna archive this bit before it terminally confuses a newbie.

The good news, though, is that your new word, "Retrobate", which clearly refers to an old-school scumbag, has been accepted by the Board of Neolgisms. Anmccaff (talk) 17:37, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Hey, that's not on me for once. That bit was added by that guy over there. GMG^talk 17:40, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Fault? Next you'll be asking who to blame for sliced bread. Anmccaff (talk) 17:44, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

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Some falafel for you!

Enjoy :) Jon Kolbert (talk) 01:50, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

Be warned Jon, there is a good likelihood I will annoy you with cleanup tasks on commons in the very near future. GMG^talk 20:44, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

Who are we to censor Ernie?

Surely this should have been posted to......the Muppets Portal. Anmccaff (talk) 19:58, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

On a more serious note, we probably do need to tackle major cleanup to the main 1877 article at some point. I had considered that it's a potential candidate for WP:FT. GMG^talk 20:46, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

I dunno. I don't expect you to agree with this, but I've seen a lot of genuinely good articles degraded by being made into "Good Articles", and so much tendentious dreck rammed through the GA review that my view is pretty jaundiced. Most of your stuff on 1877 gives Bruce a real run for the money, and that is saying something; bringing in the usual suspects to "improve it" will undoubtedly make it worse as scholarship.

FT can only be worse. Anmccaff (talk) 21:00, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

(PS: you still gotta clean up that POV name on the Lackawanna Avenue Riot article....)

In my defense, I actually started a thread more than a year ago about standardizing the naming conventions. Crickets. GMG^talk 21:06, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

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Halloween cheer!

Happy Halloween!

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Page creation I created a page and I don't know how to correct it improve on it.... I need assistance with that..

Leibnizcreation (talk) 14:51, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

Hey Leibnizcreation. In order to demonstrate that the subject meets our standards for notability, you need to demonstrate that it has received sustained in depth coverage in independent reliable sources, usually things like newspapers, magazines, and books. Sources like the official website of a company, government registrations, and bare bones company profiles don't help to demonstrate this, because they're either not independent, or they are routine, rather than in depth coverage. You may want to take some time to review our tutorial on writing your first article, or consider taking our interactive tutorial at The Wikipedia Adventure. GMG^talk 15:19, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

Good Article Nomination

GreenMeansGo, I just wanted to let you know that you don't need to edit the Wikipedia:Good article nominations page directly when you make a GA nomination. All you need to do to submit a nomination is to add the template to the article's talk page, as you did on Talk:Pittsburgh railroad strike of 1877, and the bot will automatically add your nomination to the nominations page. In this case, the bot replaced your version with its own. (You shouldn't ever need to edit the nominations page by hand; the bot takes care of everything.) Thanks for submitting the nomination! BlueMoonset (talk) 19:06, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up BlueMoonset. I think it's been almost a year since my last GA nom, and I've been hanging out at FA a bit. Looks like my brain confused the two. GMG^talk 20:42, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

New to Wiki, Need advice

Hi GMG :)

I've read the basic article regarding acceptable sources which can be used as verifiable references. These exclude self-published websites, press releases and websites affiliated with a company or product.

If references are in another language other than English, can they still be used to vouch for the creation of a Wiki page ?

I'm trying to become a wiki contributor so any assistance will be appreciated.

Thank you :) Shiryu82 (talk) 22:17, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

No worries Shiryu82. References in English are preferred, since it makes it easier for English readers to verify article content. But non-English sources are allowed in cases where no English source of comparable quality exists. Although it may take longer for your article to be accepted at Articles for Creation, since reviewers are unlikely to accept a draft unless they cannot vet the sources. GMG^talk 22:24, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)Which brings up another point, Shiryu82 -does the article exist in a version of Wiki, where most readers would understand the sources? If not, why not start there, and move on to the English version? If so, are your sources going to be similar? Anmccaff (talk) 22:53, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, both of you :) Much appreciated. The page does not exist as yet but the references look solid (sources include techcrunch.com, mashable.com, smithsonianmag.com etc.) and aren't affiliated with the company. Should I post 5 to 10 links below & wait for your approval or try to create the article and see if it's acceptable? Thank you again! Shiryu82 (talk) 23:34, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Hey Shiryu82. The purpose for the project is to build a better encyclopedia, and ultimately, what you need to do is build a better encyclopedia article, with good sources, and neutral coverage, so that it will improve the encyclopedia when it's accepted. GMG^talk 00:16, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for thoughtful edits about cultural differences

Hello GreenMeansGo, just a quick note to thank you for your thoughtful edit about cultural differences at WP:AN. Although other editors were of course correct about the policy problems with the user's editing, your response was the only one which helped the user with the reasons behind the policy problems, so that either their editing becomes less problematic, or at least they will hopefully feel less bad about it if things do not go the way they originally wanted. It was very thoughtful of you. MPS1992 (talk) 19:13, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

No problem at all. Hopefully it helps move things toward some kind of amicable resolution. We need all the productive non-Western editors we can get. GMG^talk 19:16, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

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ANI edit

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Re [11]: please be [1] more circumspect, [2] less "quick off the mark" and [3] less condescending. The edit at ANI was an edit conflict with Boing's close, which I was in the process of undoing when you leaped in, preaching to me in the edit summary about how to handle a closed discussion as though I'd never "sucked an egg". I'm not impressed. -- Begoon 11:06, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Begoon: The intention was not to be sanctimonious, but to be overtly polite in a discussion where I expect many editors hold strong opinions. Similarly, the edit summary was not necessarily directed solely at you (although I understand that it can seem that way), but also for what I highly suspect are multiple editors who would very much like to continue the discussion, despite it having reached a point where it's very unlikely to be productive. Having comments added after a close, even well meaning and accidental ones, can have a way of emboldening others to do the same, especially those who might be very passionate and less well meaning, and would just like to get a last minute jab in.

But I apologize for getting in the way of your intention to do the right thing and retract the comment after you saw the close, and thank you for having that intention. GMG^talk 11:33, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

You have much to learn (as do we all). One of the the things you, in my opinion, need to learn is what type of rhetoric works well, and is appropriate in a particular circumstance. You utterly missed that mark with me in your initial ANI undo, and here again, just now. I noticed you're thinking about an RFA, and I'd support that right now, but please consider why I bothered to engage here at all? Perhaps because I was trying to help you, and realise that there are other grumpy bastards like me and getting them offside isn't necessarily the best idea? -- Begoon 11:51, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I like to think I have an affinity for grumpy bastards. They're good at keeping you on your toes. If you've had the misfortune of watchlisting this page, you'll probably find that it's often pretty much the grumpy bastard landing page. I won't say that the preferred order of things is anything other than 1) not having someone leave a comment after a close, 2) having someone undo their own comment if they do, and 3) having someone else do it for them. And at the end of the day, I don't think very many people would disagree with the notion that one of us may be well advised to be more slow on the trigger and more careful at checking time stamps, and the other may be well advised to more carefully check their edit conflicts. GMG^talk 12:32, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

"I don't think very many people would disagree with the notion that one of us may be well advised to be more slow on the trigger and more careful at checking time stamps, and the other may be well advised to more carefully check their edit conflicts." I recounted exactly what happened. Silent, "destructive" edit conflicts happen at ANI all the time. It's a well known bug. You experienced it, and it erased my undo. Google it. Or search my contributions or the ANI archives for discussions about it. I can't be bothered to do those searches for you, given your attitude. I'm done here. -- Begoon 12:50, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

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Free Mutton!

Mutton is tasty. That's why I chose the plumpest goat for you.

Brobotics Brofessor (talk) 11:35, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Hey Brobotics Brofessor. Welcome back after a long break. Happy to have you here. GMG^talk 11:45, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Asiana Couture deletion

Hi, I am actually a blogger and I am collecting info about famous fashion brands and I didnt find any info about Asiana Couture which is a very famous brand of delhi so I thought that why not add a page for it. I would request you to take your decision back and since I am newbie in this, i will try to refine my article with more credible sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Satya 0625 (talk • contribs) 13:41, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Hey Satya 0625. I've taken the liberty of moving the article to your sandbox for the time being, and it may be found at User:Satya 0625/sandbox. This will normally make it less likely to be deleted, and will provide you additional time to work on it. I have also added a banner for our Articles for Creation project, and when you think you are ready, you can submit it for review by an experienced volunteer who can offer feedback prior to publishing.

However, it is still overtly promotional in tone, and reads very much like something you would find in an advertisement or official website, and not like a neutrally worded encyclopedia article. Before submitting for review, you may want to consider reviewing our tutorial on writing your first article or consider taking our interactive tutorial at The Wikipedia Adventure, both of which can help better accustom you to the type of writing that is generally expected of an encyclopedia. GMG^talk 13:55, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Additionally Satya 0625, I have nominated one of the images from the article for deletion on Wikimedia Commons, because it did not appear to be licensed appropriately, and appeared to be a violation of copyright. Once you have gotten the article published, feel free to come back and I can try to walk you through the process of adding images appropriately, or you may want to ask at The Teahouse, which is our dedicated forum for new editors to seek advice. GMG^talk 14:03, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

RD1?

Saw your revdel request at Talk:Wikipedia and I honestly have no idea what you were trying to remove. There doesn't seem to be anything copyrighted to revdel. Did I miss something obvious? Primefac (talk) 19:26, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

This content is copy/pasted from here. It's on the long side, accounting for probably 35% about a quarter of the full article, and unattributed besides. Also I expect it's from the same IP that's been trying to wake up the sheeple using Talk:Wikipedia, so I don't have any sympathies. GMG^talk 19:34, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Ah. You gave the wrong revision IDs, which meant it didn't turn up any copyvios on those checks, and when I went to check the intermediate ones I forgot to check against the URL specifically. As we say, I am sorry, and you are sorry. Primefac (talk) 19:41, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

My bad. Thanks for zapping. GMG^talk 19:42, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Peter Hore

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Revista Anabel

What should I do for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Revista_Anabel ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bledarsema (talk • contribs) 11:25, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

Hey Bledarsema. Well it's definitely moving in the right direction. Unfortunately, I can't thoroughly evaluate many of the sources because I do not speak Albanian. I can say, seeing some of them point to places like wordpress and blogspot, that these sites are generally considered unreliable in nearly every circumstance, and they should be replaced with more reliable sources.

Also, it looks like you were using an image that was uploaded to commons from Flickr, and had a creative commons license on Flickr. However, the Flickr version did not appear to be the original, and preexisting versions were available online which did not indicate it was appropriately licensed. When using images, it's very important to find the original version of the image, in order to verify that using it is not a violation of copyright. Once the article is published, we can probably use an image of the cover under a claim of fair use, but we cannot use fair use images in drafts. So we will have to wait until the article is published first. GMG^talk 12:57, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

Yup

Don't wanna live in a world where that doesn't exist. GMG^talk 14:26, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for helpful feedback!

Thanks for your helpful feedback and links to pages on reliability and notability! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikemorrell49 (talk • contribs) 14:43, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

No problem Mikemorrell49. Feel free to stop by if you have follow up questions. GMG^talk 14:46, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

Why did you change?

Like I told an editor before, it's like getting plastic surgery and no one being able to recognize you (by looks alone). Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 20:01, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

My wife asked me to. That's pretty much it. She already puts up with quite a bit of Wikipedia without much complaint, and she's pretty supportive overall. Didn't really feel like the right time to "make a stand", although it has been a bit of an inconvenience. GMG^talk 20:13, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

I suspect that keeping the link to the old username creates a worst-of-both-worlds; way less actual privacy, but still lots of confusion for good faith editors you aren't in contact with. Fortunately, the Lord of the Moai serves as a useful pointer. Anmccaff (talk) 20:21, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

Well, I suppose if you're experienced enough to put two and two together, then you're probably the kind of person I'd like to have a beer with at a wikimania one day anyway. Probably not the type of person she's worried about. GMG^talk 21:01, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for explaining. By "make a stand," did you mean challenging your wife or specifically going through with the change? And, Anmccaff, I didn't mean anything by the rest of the heading for this section, other than what it stated. If you removed it for sensitivity, I understand, especially if GreenMeansGo's wife was looking for privacy, but it's not really something that can be a secret on Wikipedia. I mean, it's clear by your above comment that this section is about usernames. But maybe you were considering less privacy in terms of a Google search? By this, I mean that the full heading would provide less privacy? Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 22:40, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

I didn't assume there was anything nefarious or wrong about your post, Flyer22 Reborn, just figured that if he did have a current nuisance, it was one less clue for it. Yeah, a google search can still bring up all kinds of crap, as can a search based on usual editing subjects, but it's better not to have it show in watch lists and update lists if there's a proximate threat. Anmccaff (talk) 23:03, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

• (talk page stalker) Butting in here, but it really isn't anyone's business what GMG and his family have decided to do in terms of his username with regards to privacy (and yes, I know everyone is assuming good faith, and I am too on the part of everyone else, I just think we really shouldn't bug someone too much when they switch usernames.) TonyBallioni (talk) 23:15, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

I hear ya. I was just just curious why he made the name change, as I've discussed username changes with others before and some wondered why I changed my username (although I kept the "Flyer22" part, which easily allows editors to recognize me). I didn't think GreenMeansGo made the change for privacy, but, yeah, if done for privacy, consider the discussion dropped. Certainly no need to answer the wife inquiry either way. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 23:27, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

No no it's fine. It's not like a super-going-of-the-grid privacy thing. I don't have any qualms with people mentioning my name or linking to previous discussions with my previous signature. I still use my old name on the "back end", on IRC, OTRS and email. I think she was more concerned with someone IRL finding me on wiki by accident. I (obviously) have no qualms about sharing my own name on wiki to other editors, and really would like eventually go to something like wikimania and actually meet some folks. It's really just a thin veil that will make obvious trolls and casual people we might know IRL probably look over it, and never make the connection. But I haven't tried to hide anything that would thwart anyone with enough experience and interest to dig.

If anyone on wiki really wanted to find me IRL, well, just ask, and if you really want to drive this far into the woods of Appalachia, we'll cook a half decent dinner for you and we have a guest bedroom open. If someone malicious really wanted to find me... well... I live fairly deep in the woods in Appalachia and most people with any sense would probably turn back before they find their way here. GMG^talk 00:51, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

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13:31:30, 5 November 2017 review of submission by Rudy2alan

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I have been unable to find other sources for this radio station; any suggestions? Many drafts with few sources are turned into articles where other wikipedians are then able to add content; why not with this draft? User:Rudy2alan talk

Hey User:Rudy2alan. The most straightforward way to have the article published would seem to be through our specific notability standards for media, which suggests you should concentrate on trying to find a source to back up the first air date of 1948. This would support the notion that the station has a long standing established broadcast history. However, in this situation, it may be better to resubmit it, and let another reviewer have a look. I'm not sure I would be conformable publishing it myself. I have a fairly limited background in the topic area, and like yourself, I've been unable to really find any sources whatsoever on the subject, even fairly poor quality ones, and nothing to suggest that the subject might meet our more strict, and more established general standards for notability. GMG^talk 13:59, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

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Aut

I've been editing the page aut and you keep removing it asking for sources... I am the source. I don't know how you want me to site myself but I attend the school mentioned and this is true. SaleziAnum (talk) 15:07, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

Hey SaleziAnum. If you are the source, and there is no other source that is available, then the content is probably what we call original research, which is not allowed. Generally, Wikipedia includes only content which has been covered in published reliable sources, usually thinks like books, magazines and newspapers, and does not allow content which is recently coined or invented by individuals, and which has not received this type of coverage. GMG^talk 15:14, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

I've requested a user block and article protection. Persistent disruption there. 2601:188:180:11F0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 15:18, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

Likely just a slow day at school. Article protection is probably the way to go here, unless a CU or somebody can determine that these multiple accounts are the same user switching up whenever they get a lvl 4 warning, which is perfectly possible. GMG^talk 15:20, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

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Please review Joe Ikhinmwin article

Hi. Please review Joe Ikhinmwin article. Thank you in advance. -- Bbarmadillo (talk) 17:54, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Hey Bbarmadillo. I normally don't deal very much with sports topics, but since they appear to have played professionally, it seem the article will likely be accepted once it is reviewed. I would add a caution that posting this on probably a dozen user talk pages is generally going to be considered bad form, and probably isn't something you should get in the habit of. GMG^talk 17:57, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

@GreenMeansGo: thank you. I've already been warned by another admin. -- Bbarmadillo (talk) 17:59, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

I'm not sure its necessarily a warning per se. It looks like you've put a lot of work in, and I'm sure you're eager to have it reviewed. Just some advice. Feel free to stop by anytime. GMG^talk 18:01, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

@GreenMeansGo: Very kind of you to say this. Thank you. -- Bbarmadillo (talk) 17:03, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

maintenance tags

Rashid Ghafoor (talk) 19:20, 9 November 2017 (UTC): Hey! I've been looking for an experienced user to look into a page that I've created, Rizwan as a user has left maintenance tags on the page of me having a conflict of interest with the sub and using vague language, despite having backed my artcile with various citations. Please look into this and remove the tags if you seem fit. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rashid Ghafoor (talk • contribs) 19:20, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Hey Rashid Ghafoor. A few things to unpack here, assuming you're referring to Rizwan Ahmed (Pakistani official). First, if you do have an outside connect with topics you write about on Wikipedia, then you should review our policies on conflicts of interest and take care to abide by them, including disclosing these connections, usually by posting a notice on your user talk page.

Second, the article does currently seem to contain quite a bit of language that isn't really appropriate for an encyclopedia article. For example:

• high-ranking Pakistani government official currently - According to whom? What position does he actually currently occupy?
• largely considered to be among the most influential bureaucrats - Considered by whom? As judged by what standard?
• enjoys a reputation of being an upright and competent officer - Why is this important? Presumably most people who are good at their jobs are also upright and competent. Why is this singularly important to an encyclopedic understanding of this individual?
• almost four years (July 2013- May 2017) - Assuming this is in the source, an encyclopedia wouldn't normally say "almost for years"; it would just give the dates.
• one of the longest-serving chairman in the history of the Corporation - One of? One of how many? Is he fourth? Fourteenth? Who's criteria are we using to determine the cut off point for "one of the longest serving"?
• made headlines for his achievements - Why is making headlines itself important? Why are we not just using these headlines to source content about what he has objectively accomplished?

Learning to write for Wikipedia can be a steep learning curve, because it can be quite different from writing for other venues. In a nutshell, an encyclopedia is kindof supposed to be written by a "neutral editorial robot" that just gives the bare facts and isn't really able to understand colloquial or colorful language. To our neutral editorial robot, a lot of the language above would come back as does not compute, because the words sound quite nice and complementary, but at the base of it, it doesn't really convey a lot of cold hard facts, doesn't really convey very much actual information to readers.

Hopefully this helps some. Feel free to ask any follow up questions you may have. GMG^talk 20:05, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Rashid Ghafoor (talk) 22:01, 9 November 2017 (UTC) Firstly, thankyou so much for such a helpful and detailed insight. Can I fix these issues, the high profile rank is later on described in the Career and one of the longest serving chairman is referred to the official website of the organization. If I fix these issues, can I myself remove these tags. I think not because I created this article, so that's why I wanted a third user to remove the content which they think is vague and hence, remove the tags. Thank you!

Well Rashid Ghafoor, I think the first thing that needs to be gotten out of the way is to unequivocally state whether you do or do not have an outside connection with the subject. That could help clear up a lot of things. But if you want to have a go at cleaning the article up, feel free to drop a note when you have and I'll look over it. GMG^talk 22:10, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Rashid Ghafoor (talk) 19:03, 10 November 2017 (UTC) As stated when creating the article itself, no outside connection. The mere problem I have with the COI tag is this.

For Wikipedia's editorial policy on using the Daily Mail as a reference, see Wikipedia:Citing Daily Mail

See if the new wording changes your mind ... or suggest better wording. We now have about a dozen sites that are not blacklisted but are not to be used as a reference, our editorial policy needs to be clear, or people will waste time adding references that are going to be deleted. --RAN (talk) 01:14, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

I don't mean any offense RAN, but I think you're looking at things a little backward. To my mind, readers should always be our primary concern, and editors are our foremost secondary concern precisely because readers are the primary one, and without editors we don't have readers. But editors are aware of the back end. Most readers aren't, and probably don't terribly want to be, although we hope to glean enough of them into the back end in order to keep the project running. I don't think this link would make sense to me in 2004, before I ever ventured to click the edit button. And you're talking about a page with average of about 1.6k views a day, putting many more readers in a place they don't understand why they're at, for the benefit of a comparatively few editors who should probably already have grown to understand things. GMG^talk 01:24, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Why object to this one and not the >1,000 other ones at Template:Selfref? --RAN (talk) 03:15, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

I'm not sure I follow. GMG^talk 12:06, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Either way, I guess I would add that WP:DAILYMAIL exists, and doesn't seem terribly hard to remember. Also the DAB only seems to get about ten hits per day, and overall is going to be much more visible to editors, and much less visible to readers. So, seems like putting an XNR there, rather than the main article, is a pretty good compromise from all sides. GMG^talk 13:44, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

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hey mr greenmeansgo sir so sorry about writing on your page i am a new user you see and i don't know how to use the website properly — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iqra Ali (talk • contribs) 17:32, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Iqra Ali, it looks like you know how to use the site well enough, and if you make another vandalizing edit, as you have done many times now, you will be blocked from editing. GMG^talk 17:36, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Ok mr greenmeansgo i will follow your advice seeing as you have been using the website for over 9 years. Also, what would you consider as a 'vandalizing edit'? I might just quit Wikipedia tbh — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iqra Ali (talk • contribs) 17:39, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Hmm... I suppose I should have added in retrospect, that you may also be blocked if you continue to feign ignorance over what vandalism is. Oh well. GMG^talk 17:43, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

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Iqra Ali

Yo GreenMeansGo remember me I'm unbanned now so yeah!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iqra Ali (talk • contribs) 19:48, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

Iqra Ali, I would recommended going through our interactive tutorial at The Wikipedia Adventure, and learning a little bit more about the way things work to avoid future blocks. Wikipedia is not a place to experiment and doing so can waste the time of others who are trying to improve articles. GMG^talk 19:51, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

Ok thanks for the advice! I tend to usually experiment on my sandbox anyway because it's SUPER fun!!! :D I will definitely check out the Wikipedia Adventure thing. Thanks again! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iqra Ali (talk • contribs) 19:54, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

Please review page

Rashid Ghafoor (talk) 23:23, 14 November 2017 (UTC) I have erased vague statements as well as made corrections on the page Rizwan Ahmed (Pakistani official) such as mentioning the position instead of 'one of the longest' by actually stating the actual number and mentioning the high-profile post the subject owns being second-in-command of the country's Federal Cabinet. Also the matter being an influential officer is backed by references by the news where the officer has stated him to bring upon drastic changes in bureaucracy and government affairs. The reputation part has been removed as you pointed out. If you think something is vague and promotes conflict of interest, please remove it so that the maintenance tags are dealt with. I have tried my best to back matter with references hence a small length article has more than 20 citations! Thankyou

Hey Rashid Ghafoor. It's definitely an improvement. The one thing that still stands out is the "making headlines" line. We would generally not consider "making headlines" in-and-of-itself something worthy of encyclopedic coverage. Instead, we should use the information in those news stories to provide content about what those headline-worthy achievements actually were, and preset that content in the most neutral matter-of-fact way possible. GMG^talk 11:33, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

Rashid Ghafoor (talk) 14:02, 15 November 2017 (UTC) Thank you so much for reviewing the page. I will try my best to further improve my contributions. Stay blessed!

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Draft:Phaeobacter gallaeciensis

Hey champ! So, I came across Draft:Phaeobacter gallaeciensis, and I get that it's pretty much insta-approve, but it doesn't really add anything to the world. I'm not sure if it's simply me imparting my own feelings about indiscriminate species stubs or not. But, I also hate "Not enough content" declines. So, anywho, thought I'd get your two cents to see if I'm nuts. well, I know I'm nuts.. but you know.. just not sure what species of nut.. Drewmutt (^ᴥ^) talk 03:14, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

@Drewmutt: Well, there certainly seems to be plenty of sources available, and anyone taking an article on a species to AfD is more likely to get a trout than anything. On a sunny day I'd say we've got upward of a quarter million stubs like these. Part of the problem is that they're often so specialized, it can take near a degree in biology to really expand them with quality content.

Look at it this way: you just found a brand new editor who managed to make a stub on a notable topic in all of four edits. That right there is pretty rare. Just as likely they're a student themselves to be aware that we're missing an article on such an obscure topic, and just as likely they're going to be the type of person to eventually learn the ropes and start expanding these with the kind of quality content we need. I say grab the most detailed welcome template you can find, slap on a reflist and pray they stick around. GMG^talk 11:25, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

Dirty Lenin

See, Stalin -is- easier. Anmccaff (talk) 06:52, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

Whadda you Stalin for? The time for action is Mao. GMG^talk 11:29, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

Well, I was kinda half asleep, but now I'm Avakian up. Anmccaff (talk) 20:01, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

Got yourself a Pol Pot of coffee? GMG^talk 20:07, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

Nahh, just a couple cups. Too much and I get the Trots. Anmccaff (talk) 20:20, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

Ah. Get yourself a bad case of the Brown Shirt. GMG^talk 20:24, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

Some bleach, it's white as Silver. Shirt looks new. Anmccaff (talk) 21:00, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

No no. That's all Trọng. You just gotta Mạnh up. There are Phiêu things better than good old soap and water. GMG^talk 21:08, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

I'm keeping my hand over the coffee. Talk about those guys, next thing Burchett is falling from the sky. Anmccaff (talk) 21:25, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

Breaking the cascade for a moment, ever see the ones in alt.usage.english? Anmccaff (talk) 21:25, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you're referring to. GMG^talk 21:26, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

Usenet newsgroup. Lots of great pun cascades, back in the day, often among blue-linked or RSed people. Anmccaff (talk) 22:08, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

PS:...and blue-linked itself - alt.usage.english. Didn't remember that. Anmccaff (talk) 22:12, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

Hmm... I've actually never seen the inside of usenet. I'm kind of a luddite, and it was books that got me into WP and reluctantly into computers, and not the other way round. GMG^talk 12:36, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

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Not a content issue - a conduct issue. (And when one editor falsifies quotations from sources in the discussions about content, there's not likely to be any way forward anyway.) Neil S. Walker (talk) 15:30, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

If there is a question about how to use the source, then open an RfC. If there is a conduct issue related to the above thread, then conduct that discussion in the above thread. Also consider reverting your format breaking undoing of the close. GMG^talk 15:32, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Moved. Neil S. Walker (talk) 15:36, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

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How to use commas?

Hi. You said I can "stop by anytime" and I have one question to you. Please take a look at this article. I wonder what are rules of using commas with references. Should the references go before the comma or after? I edited the first paragraph placing references after commas, but don't go further as I have some doubts. -- Bbarmadillo (talk) 18:53, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Bbarmadillo, references always go after punctuation. Primefac (talk) 18:57, 22 November 2017 (UTC) (talk page stalker)

@Primefac: ok, thank you very much. -- Bbarmadillo (talk) 18:58, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Hey Bbarmadillo. Yes, Primefac is correct above. See also guidance at MOS:REFPUNCT. Also, as a general note, it's usually not necessary to have references in the lead section really at all, so long as the content is fairly uncontroversial and covered in the body of the article with citations there. See also WP:LEADCITE. GMG^talk 19:00, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Thank you. I know about trying to make lead section as short as possible, but in this case there seems to be no way to include the general info (auctions, stores, magazines) into the main body of the article. Otherwise it should be like "(year) - first sale at Christie's". This would look strange. I also checked how the similar articles look and they all have the same logic/structure. David Webb and Kimberly McDonald are good examples. -- Bbarmadillo (talk) 19:07, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Well Bbarmadillo, I'll certainly say that Category:American jewelry designers doesn't really have very many at all good looking articles to choose from as an example. Looks like more than half are either stubs or articles with single sentences for leads. Honest to God, the best article in that category I see to go by is probably Ivanka Trump.

But basically, very short articles don't really have lead sections, because they're not long enough, and as an article grows, more and more detail gets put into the body and the lead becomes more of a general overview of information where a reader can get a quick 20 second synopsis of the rest of the article. It's also fairly important, since the lead section is often the only part of an article a reader reads, especially if they're on mobile. GMG^talk 19:19, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

@GreenMeansGo: So, what is your suggestion for this particular article? I think that for the jewelry designers publications, store presence and auctions are definitely needed (to show the "level" of the designer so to say). All these things give notability - at least at the world of luxury. I think they should be at the article. But I also think that the lead section is too heavy now. I will work on the "Biography" part a bit more and it will be almost ready for the AfC submission. -- Bbarmadillo (talk) 19:31, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

An alternative would be having sections like "Retail presence", "Auctions". How does that sound? But again, none of the jewelry designer articles have these sections. -- Bbarmadillo (talk) 19:36, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Well, Bbarmadillo as MOS:BODY says, Wikipedia has no general standards or guidelines for what section headings are expected in the bodies of articles or what order they should take. So the solution is really just whatever makes the information most presentable to readers.

As far as the lead, what I do when I'm writing an article from scratch or doing a near total rewrite of an existing article, I usually just ignore the lead until I'm done. Since the lead is supposed to summarize the body, it's hard to write one until you've written everything else. I'll just put in some kindof placeholder like GreenMeansGo is a Wikipedia editor. and then when I've totally exhausted my sources, I'll go back and try to write something like one sentence summarizing each paragraph or section for the lead. GMG^talk 19:56, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Good approach, will try it! -- Bbarmadillo (talk) 21:17, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

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No, thank you ICPH for volunteering to help out on the back end. It's much appreciated. GMG^talk 21:08, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

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hiya. The clue was in the header. Regarding AIV - I reported it there first - no one was manning that reports page, it was back logged. 7. 02 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrator_intervention_against_vandalism&diff=prev&oldid=811827511Govindaharihari (talk) 07:24, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

Hey Govindaharihari. Sorry didn't realize. Thanks for your help vandal fighting though. It is much appreciated. GMG^talk 07:31, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) For the record: AIV is very rarely actually backlogged. It's normally admins ignoring bad reports. Govindaharihari, you just got there during a time when a IP LTA who reports stale vandals to AIV had spammed it with IPs who did not actually need blocking, so any admin who was reviewing probably just saw it as a part of that batch on accident. I've since cleared the inappropriate reports. TonyBallioni (talk) 07:34, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the detail Tony and for your work, best. Govindaharihari (talk) 07:35, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

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Hey GreenMeansGo It's now 3 months since I wrote the first Draft:New Celeste. It's been rejected twice and I've amended the draft both times, according to the instructions I was given. I made my last amendments a month ago, but there still seems to be no sign of it being accepted and put online. Any advice you can give me would be much appreciated? Iainmf (talk) 17:51, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

Hey Iainmf. I went through and tweaked a bit to tone it down a touch more, and added a few things here and there that I found online, although nothing terribly spectacular, since, as you know, there's little that's been written since the internet really came into its own. I'd say at this point there's not much to do other than wait for a reviewer. I'm well too far involved to review it myself. So I guess we wait for another opinion. GMG^talk 18:46, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

Hey GreenMeansGo That's really very kind of you. Guess I'll just have to wait and hope that it finally goes online next time it gets reviewed. Fingers crossed and thanks a million for all your help. Iainmf (talk) 20:31, 27 November 2017 (UTC) Hey GreenMeansGo I see Vchimpanzee has made some comments on my talk age, but I can't find them. Can you help? Also, I've deleted the citation and reference to Maybe the Floor after the mention of Graeme Duffin joining the band. I couldn't find any mention of Maybe the Floor in the citation and worried this might cause the draft to get rejected again! And I thought there was no point in mentioning Maybe the Floor without a citation. How do you think the draft is looking now? Iainmf (talk) 13:20, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

Hmm... I'm not totally sure what's up with Vchimpanzee. It looks like they're leaving talk page messages regarding questions that have already been answered by others on help forums like the teahouse. It... doesn't seem that terribly helpful to be leaving a notification on December 8 about a question that was answered almost a month and a half earlier. And overall, your confusion (as well as my own) is probably a pretty good example of how this can be less than helpful.

As I've alluded to before, I'm probably too personally involved in the thing to review it myself (we've been at this for what?.. two months now?). I would be interested to hear what User:John from Idegon felt about the changes, and whether they think they've done a good job of addressing their concerns about tone. GMG^talk 13:38, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

I leave messages about questions answered at The Teahouse if it's not clear the person read the message. If there was a ping or other notification or the person who asked the question replied, or if the user was a veteran Wikipedia editor who would know how to find the message, I don't do this. As for why the replies were so long ago, I'm way behind on reading the archives. What I should do is read two a day, with one of them being the latest questions to be archived so the link won't change. I quit reading the Teahouse when my Internet was slow and focused on archives that caused fewer problems with the computer. — Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 17:29, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

Yeah. I'd say it's probably a good general rule that if it's old enough to get archived, then it's probably too old to leave a notification. I don't suppose it's really harmful to do so, but it might not be the most productive use of time. GMG^talk 18:08, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

Actually, if the person is slow to respond the archived question is better, but if they were already notified or pinged I figure it's not necessary.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 19:29, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

Hey GreenMeansGo and Vchimpanzee thanks for your replies, I hadn't actually noticed that message on the talk page, as it didn't come through on my email address, but once you drew my attention to it, I made the necessary correction to the draft. I hope I've done enough now and that the draft is finally ready for reviewing and accepting and going online, as it's actually 3 months since I wrote the first draft and I've made numerous corrections since, based on all the advice I've received. I'd also be very keen to hear if User:John from Idegon is happy with the tone of the draft now, it must be due for another review very soon. Iainmf (talk) 16:52, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

I'm glad you found my message and I'm glad it helped. I don't know how reviews are scheduled but there are a lot of them and everyone is a volunteer, so I guess it's whenever they have time.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 17:02, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

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Please check Paolo Costagli article

Hi. Please check Draft:Paolo Costagli, I have started the AfC process for this article. I've also followed your advice and tried to make lead section as short as possible. What do you think? -- Bbarmadillo (talk) 19:17, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

Hey Bbarmadillo. Well, the writing style is a bit choppy and difficult to read. If possible, I would recommend adding more prose, like you have in the first few paragraphs of the biography section, rather than a lot of Fact 1. Fact 2. Sub-fact 4, 5, & 6.. I'd probably also add that celebrity endorsement piece can maybe go altogether. It seems a lot like mostly empty name dropping, and is a bit misleading. They don't seem like actual endorsements so much as they just seem like factoids related to how many passing mentions he was able to get through two or three words here and there randomly in publications mostly about other subjects. So I'm not sure it's really necessary. Wikipedia doesn't really do "notability by proxy", where a lot of famous people liking you makes you in turn somehow important. We just judge importance by how much a person's been written about mostly.

This is probably a little generic as far as advise goes, but maybe it's helpful. GMG^talk 19:28, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)The articles it links to look like PR puff-pieces, and several have a strong smell of COI. It's a bad thing to source a bio to sales brochures like the Robb Report. Anmccaff (talk) 19:58, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

@Anmccaff: so which ones need to be removed? Robb Report is a well-known luxury magazine, and the 2007 article definitely looks like an editorial story, not like a PR placement. -- Bbarmadillo (talk) 20:05, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict)@Bbarmadillo:, it is entirely possible to be a well-known luxury magazine and be an advertorial, as, indeed, the Robb Report is. Anmccaff (talk) 20:14, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

@Anmccaff: Well, it is a good point. But what I've also noticed that the "serious press" rarely writes about jewelry designers :) -- Bbarmadillo (talk) 20:17, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

Which, @Bbarmadillo:, means that they may not be, in Wikispeak, notable, and wikispeak is the lingua franca around here. Anmccaff (talk) 20:59, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

@GreenMeansGo: Thank you for your comments. I will try to make the style more eloquent. For the celebrities part I was looking at other references: David Webb (jeweler) (Among his clients were Elizabeth Taylor, Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis and Barbra Streisand.[1] Helen Mirren, Jennifer Garner and Beyoncé have also worn his jewelry.[2]), Kimberly McDonald (Her jewelry has been worn by many celebrities, including Brooke Shields,[6] Sarah Jessica Parker[7] and First Lady Michelle Obama,) and Loree Rodkin (Her clientele has included Elton John, Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen, Steven Tyler, Madonna, Daphne Guinness, Mary J. Blige, Cher, Rihanna and Steven Tyler.[) This looked like a necessary element to me. -- Bbarmadillo (talk) 20:11, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

Maybe make something like an "impact and recognition" section and try to combine a lot of disparate sections that are essentially bulleted list into more readable prose there. Also, I would point out that posting requests like this on multiple user's talk pages is generally considered bad form. Especially given a paid editing disclosure, I would recommend treading lightly as far as anything resembling spam messages goes, or you may wind up getting a hostile response from one user or another. GMG^talk 20:16, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

@GreenMeansGo: thank you for your comments. I will think about that. Also I am not posting requests on multiple user pages. I just asked you because we've discussed this article previously and one other guy who reviewed Kimberly McDonald page and could be considered an expert on the subject. -- Bbarmadillo (talk) 20:20, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

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Nice work on this article. It was badly in need of an expansion. BrineStans (talk) 18:13, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Hey thanks BrineStans, and thanks for copy editing in behind me. I had considered doing Russell Fork next, and I've been poking around looking at sources a bit, but it looks like it's going to be harder, since it doesn't look like it shares the benefit of all that sweet sweet federal government public domain content. I may nuke and rewrite Daniel Boone National Forest instead. GMG^talk 18:19, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Ok. You might also take a look at the Obed River, which is near the Big South Fork, and has its own federal designation. BrineStans (talk) 20:41, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

I will definitely add that to my plans. Unfortunately, the nuking has already begun. So I guess I've gotten myself an obligation to write an article before that. But thanks for the heads up. GMG^talk 20:51, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

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Please comment on Talk:Antisemitism in the United Kingdom

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F9? Interesting choice

I noticed you tagged Safe-T with an F9 when it should have been G12. Interesting choice, and I'm surprised it ended up with the page in the G12 category. Primefac (talk) 13:42, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

Hah. Looks like I just ctrl-found "copyvio" and copypasted without paying attention. Wouldn't be surprised if that one gets declined anyway with as extensive a history as it has, but it still looks like most or all of the history is various levels of promotional garbage. GMG^talk 13:48, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

Well, you were right, there was just enough non-copyvio to not delete on those grounds. I'm biased as far as G11 goes so I'll leave that to someone else. Primefac (talk) 14:14, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

Can't blame you there, and can't say I would do any differently. I don't much like volunteering time to clean up someone else's commercial. At best, most of these articles deserve a judicious hatchet. I'm not sure this one even deserves that much, but I sure as heck ain't uploading an image on their behalf. GMG^talk 14:20, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

What happened there

Re: [12]

What happened there was WP:TPO bullet 7: "...removing bullets from discussions that are not consensus polls or requests for comment (RfC)". Using bullets in open discussion, while other editors are observing the guidelines, significantly complicates formatting. When an editor correctly removes your bullets per TPO, please don't put them back; better yet, you could refrain from coding them in the first place. ―Mandruss ☎ 18:37, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

Oh bleh. That's just nit picky and besides, made it look like I was responding to the above comment when I wasn't. Propose amending TPO to state: If at all possible, rather than scrutinizing the formatting of talk page comments, go improve an article instead. GMG^talk 18:46, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

You're free to propose anything you want, in a proper venue; in the meantime it would help if you observed documented community consensus. Or you could continue to waste your time and that of other editors, expressing your disagreement with the consensus by ignoring it. Ain't it great that Wikipedia gives you that choice? Have a nice day. ―Mandruss ☎ 18:53, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

I choose to ignore whatever pedantic consensus exists on how I format my comments, and format them in the way that most clearly expresses what I intend to say. GMG^talk 19:00, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

I get that. As opposed to the less disruptive path, attempting to change the consensus through established process. The difference is one of being a true part of the community, or seeing oneself as superior to it. You're certainly not alone in the view that anarchy is good for the project, and I'm unlikely to change that. I came here in case you weren't aware of the consensus. You weren't, and you now are, so I've fulfilled my mission and I'm done here. ―Mandruss ☎ 19:06, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

Common sense ≠ anarchy. GMG^talk 19:10, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

• For what it's worth, I think starting a new thread when the first sentence is answering the original question is perfectly acceptable. Barring a few people who simply cannot (or will not) properly indent things, I don't see much reason in making big changes like the one that you two are currently arguing about. Primefac (talk) 19:13, 4 December 2017 (UTC) (talk page stalker)

The formatting here is downright POINTY ain't it? GMG^talk 19:26, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

Indeed. Maybe I should have started a subsection with my own thoughts so that everyone would explicitly know that I'm wanting to discuss something new... Primefac (talk) 19:33, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

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Taken care of. GMG^talk 19:24, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

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Oh. Of course now commons wouldn't stop the bot from freaking out. No idea why I figured that it would. GMG^talk 18:55, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Linda Sarsour

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Sigh

And, now he is editing AFC related threads at Teahouse archives to post:--Also if you believe that the article is notable and well references, you do not have to submit it for review, you can publish it to the Wiki directly by URL creation, create Source and copy pasting it in.Winged Blades ^Godric 17:32, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Well... you can't fault them for lack of enthusiasm. GMG^talk 18:30, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

20:32:34, 6 December 2017 review of submission by Porter1306

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I am requesting a re-review because I revised the entry to eliminate all language that might seem promotional, I shortened the entry by deleting a list of services offered by the company, and I added more internal links and external sources.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Porter1306 (talk • contribs) 20:32, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Hey Porter1306. It doesn't appear that you have done anything to the draft since I declined it, and it still reads very much like an advertisement or something you would find on an official website, and not a neutral encyclopedia article, as does the related submission Draft:Mark Elenowitz. If you happen to have an outside connection with the topics you are writing about, you should carefully review our guidance on conflicts of interest and note that Wikipedia is not a means of promotion for either individuals or companies. Wikipedia only summarizes what is published in independent reliable sources, usually things like newspapers, magazines and books, and does so in as matter-of-fact and neutral a way possible. Your draft, as it currently is, if published, would likely simply be deleted for being unambiguously promotional in a way that would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to comply with Wikipedia's expectations for neutrality. GMG^talk 20:43, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

"Boa Me" and Khalid (singer)

Hi GreenMeansGo, can you get images of "Boa Me" artwork and Khalid for their articles please? If so, this image of Khalid [13] is listed as having "Non-Exclusive Rights" so can it be used on Wikipedia? Thanks, Theo (edits) 01:51, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Hey Theo. It looks like the Khalid image you link to is available only through paid subscription, and so is almost certainly not licensed in a way that would be usable on Wikipedia. As far as the song goes, I'm not really "cool", and I honestly don't know if there would be something approaching official cover art that would be usable under a claim of fair use. I wish I could be more helpful, but my area of expertise is more along the lines of fairly boring places and people long since dead. GMG^talk 14:01, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

No worries, thanks for reply GreenMeansGo. Theo (edits) 01:34, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Teahouse

Sorry about the accidental revert ... the touch-screen updated and rows shifted just as I was clicking to view a dif from another article via recent changes. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 18:23, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

No worries Barek. I did the same thing recently, and of all things, reverted an AE sanction notification. I did however learn in this related thread how to install fancy computer magic to keep if from happening again. Might be of some help to you (as much as it really should come standard with the rollback button). GMG^talk 18:27, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the link, just what I needed! I'll check out the scripts later today and test adding them into my javascript pages. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 18:31, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

Insult War: Noel vs Liam

Hi GreenMeansGo,

I was wondering what makes the sources for my entry of "fairly dubious reliability." Everything is documented and this boyfight Noel and Liam had been having for two decades is well known to the world. In fact, I would say that you can't talk about Oasis without talking about their situation because it's so present in the band's history.

Best, ASSASSINOFYOUTH — Preceding unsigned comment added by ASSASSINOFYOUTH (talk • contribs) 18:42, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) To be honest, I thought the username was "a** in your mouth" when it appeared on my watchlist. Anyway, ASSASSINOFYOUTH please read WP:UNDUE like GreenMeansGo mentioned and do not re-add the content again (unless if you can obtain consensus on the article talk page, which is unlikely). Thanks. Alex Shih (talk) 18:55, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

For whatever context it adds and whatever courtesy a ping offers, the issue was originally raised by Doug here, and the overall issue of whether this runs afoul of WP:BLP and/or whether it amounts to close paraphrasing was never actually resolved. GMG^talk 19:05, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Crime in Sweden

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Please comment on Talk:Jerusalem

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