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Chilean Mining Accident move discussion

There has been quite a bit of discussion on the move including a "third opinion". Can you judge consensus and move the page accordingly? Thanks. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 07:22, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

The fun never ends! I'll take a look and see if there's a consensus. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 13:43, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 17:39, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Herbert Charles Wilson

— Rlevse • Talk • 18:03, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Reminder

Keep in mind that per WP:ADMIN Administrators are expected to respond promptly and civilly to queries about their Wikipedia-related conduct and administrator actions and to justify them when needed.--Cube lurker (talk) 18:12, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Talk page stalking. It seems to me that he answered Off2riorob several times. If anybody still feels conflicted about it then they should take it to ANI and let other administrators review the block. Badgering a volunteer administrator until you get the answer you want is unseemly. If you're that concerned, run it up the flagpole. Otherwise, move on. — e. ripley\^talk 18:16, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

I made a clearly justified block. Rob knows that, but if he thinks it's a bad block, as I told him, he's free to take it to ANI or ArbCom. I don't need a checkuser to block someone who is either evading a block or impersonating a banned editor. The rest of his comments came close to accusing me of libel, which doesn't deserve a response. As to the issue behind all of it, I've seen what's going on at ANI and I'm staying out of it. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:48, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

That is such rubbish, I supported the block (you deleted that comment), I dispute your unsupported opinion as a reason to block when the block concerned a identified living person. You blocked the account and involved yourself, please do not accuse living identified users of abusive socking without evidence, if it is quacking then block it for some easily asserted claim. When we have identified living people you need to take more care with your unconfirmed personal opinions. Off2riorob (talk) 19:00, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

User:Heymid

Hi HJ!

I have noticed that you've been standing up for / "mentoring" (for want of a better term) Heymid (talk · contribs), which is great, but when I see comments like this, made hours after him being admonished by you (and others), it really makes me think that it's not worth your time. He simply refuses to take your, or anyone else's advice. This is exactly the same pattern that ultimately lead to him being banned for three years at sv.wp. To put it very bluntly: Can you give me a reason why he shouldn't be re-blocked at this point? Regards, decltype (talk) 18:29, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Oh dear. Quite honestly, no, I can't think of anything to suggest that the project is better with him than without. But then, many people said the same about Diego Grez. Let me talk to him and make sure he realises he's on his last chance. If he blows that, i might just indef him myself. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:44, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Much appreciated. If you can just get him to stick to the mainspace I'll be very impressed, as all attempts so far have failed spectacularly. Just keep in mind that there's a limit to how many "last chances" one can give. Regards, decltype (talk) 18:51, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

HJ, I'm going to unwatch there, as you seem to have the situation well in hand ... thanks! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:38, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

YGM

Does what it says on the tin. Courcelles 20:47, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

I sent you an email too. ~DC _{Let's Vent} 21:42, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Hello HJ Mitchell Just looking

I do not want to edit your talk page. I was looking at it because you have some really cool stuff on it. I am curious: Is it a bot that noticed that I was looking at your page, or did you personally notice it? I hope I did not inadvertantly edit something on your talk page by mistake. I am a new editor and am having lots of fun learning about stuff. Hope you don't mind me stealing things from your talk page.--Foobarnix (talk) 00:28, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Feel free to steal absolutely anything you like! If you mean the message that pops up when you edit this page, I don't know how it works, but it displays as the username of whoever is looking at it. Magic! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:31, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

I just want to say that I liked reading what both of you said. Made me smile. :) ~~ Hi878 ^{(Come shout at me!)} 04:49, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

It shows your username by using {{REVISIONUSER}}. Access Denied ^talk _contribs editor review 05:15, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Actually, {{REVISIONUSER}} only gives the username of the last person editing a page. It works oddly in editnotices, perhaps because you are the (soon-to-be) last person to edit the page. —MC10 (T•C•GB•L) 02:53, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Your recent block of Rob

I have unblocked Rob. The diffs you brought show no evidence of legal threats; if anything they show someone trying to uphold wiki policy/guideline by preventing violations of BLP and potential libel/slander issues from being hosted on the project. I understand the issue raised tempers and tensions, but I strongly suggest that you take more time before blocking someone with whom you may be engaged in a dispute if the violation is not indisputable. The better action would have been to raise it on WP:ANI prior to applying the block. Thank you. -- Avi (talk) 19:40, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, um, what gives? AGF'ing here, but that looks like a really bad block of an established editor. Jclemens (talk) 19:51, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

I commented at AN/I that I didn't see anything blockworthy there either. Remember there are other people out there to help you if you ever run into a situation like this again. I'd be happy as would others to provide a second opinion the next time. Hang in there. --John (talk) 20:07, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

You're a solid admin. Most of us who care have been in your shoes.

I went through something like this a while ago and it prompted me to write WP:NOTNAS. Perhaps you can get some more mileage out of it even if it's just amusement. Cheers. Toddst1 (talk) 20:20, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, Toddst, I appreciate the advice. Interesting that it would come from someone who opposed both my RfAs! ;) NOTNAS is certainly an interesting read. There are man things I wish I'd known before I got the bit! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:50, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Yes I opposed your RFAs but you've become a damn good admin. I also opposed Tan's RFA - his was the first time I ever opposed one and I believe he became one of the best we've ever had.

I've also been known to be an ass. Toddst1 (talk) 20:54, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Agreed on Tan. Damn ANI could do with him these days. And no worries on opposing me—I would have opposed me the first time round! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:02, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Say HJ, I had intended to post the following at ANI but just missed getting it included before it all vanished. With your permission I will include it here. It lacks your statement to ANI, which I found both eloquent and forthright. My best wishes, always.

• First off, I'll issue my standard disclosure that I have had several previous issues with Off2riorob. Now, that said, I'll say that it is my perception as a result of those encounters that Off2riorob has been "playing the edge" for some time, and by this I mean he skirts the blockable range in his actions and comments, which often seem to me to be calculated to provoke. I find I am moved to speak up in defense of HJ, who I have always found to be a voice of reason and who has my deepest respect. HJ has played it straight with the community here, including bringing his request for a review to ANI. I find his statement above to be both candid, and worthy of reflection. Jusdafax 21:33, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

(Note: a second look at ANI shows the comments posted, but 'outside the box' due to an ec. Jusdafax 21:41, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

There was a comment at ANI that this was "admin abuse", which I absolutely disagree with: if I'm going to abuse the tools I'm certainly not going to highlight said abuse at ANI. This was a good faith block followed by a request for review. I disagree with the block: I don't disagree with how it was handled (by HJ, by Rob, by the community - "the system works").

I don't entirely agree with you, Jusdafax, about Rob (though the usual disclaimer that Rob is a wikifriend, etc is appropriate). Rob's an intemperate and hard-headed editor, well suited to editing in certain areas more than others. I don't personally believe that Rob deliberately skirts up to the blockable range, at least not in the way that POV warriors seem to delight in. I do think that Rob has a tendency (as do many - most? - editors) to look more at 3RR than BRD (reverting is easy, discussion is harder) and the blocks for edit warring reflect that. All those blocks are in the past - 2009 and earlier. Ironically, I think Rob's more recent blocks show his strengths, rather than his weaknesses: editing in really, really difficult policy areas (like Child Protection) have resulted in a block for, frankly, going well over the line into NPA territory. I'm not sure that the "line" here was as clearly defined as we'd like: Child Protection is a deeply contentious issue, balancing fundamental "wiki-rights" like freedom of expression with fundamental obligations (like the laws governing the WMF), and many editors have strong beliefs for one side (freedom) or t'other (child protection).

As regards "the most recent block", well, troutsminnows all round. HJ has apologised, but I'd add that all this could have been avoided if Rob had been a little more willing to discuss rather than stand firm. Hence a minnow for Rob as well ;-) Rob mate - don't just think "they're wrong, I'll hold firm" - think "they're wrong, why? How did they arrive at that conclusion? How can I show that that wasn't where I was coming from? How can I show what I meant, and get them to see what I meant?" Anyway, that's enough talking about folk behind their backs - I'm off to 'fess up to Rob.

TFOWR 08:40, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Rather than launch a lengthy reply with diffs (and on HJ's page), etc. etc., I'll just say that we will have to agree to disagree about some elements of your post, and leave it at that. Anyway I came to offer moral support to HJ per the opening words of your post when I thought my post at ANI had not been included (and the latest is that it is now inside the box), and it's time to leave it at that as well. Best wishes to all including the blockee, and if we all never have to have a conversation of this sort again, that will be a good thing indeed. Jusdafax 08:59, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Well put, Jusdafax. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:50, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Respect

Hey HJ!

If you come across any references for The Bill's final episode, could you please drop them by my talk page? At some point over the weekend I'm going to put together an article regarding the series finale, probably use Who Shot Phil? as a template. Might even get a DYK out of it if I can reference some things that popped up in the documentary last night! --5 albert square (talk) 21:25, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Sure. I'll have a look for you later on. I'm still working on the awards atm, though. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:30, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Alignment issues

The flag is covering bits of the navigation but I'm not going to make more adjustments since we all use different screen resolutions, skins etc. Ғяіᴅaз'§Đøøм | Tea and biscuits? 08:26, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

<sigh> Again? I thought we'd fixed that? I might just put a note on the page saying that it looks best in monobook and if you're stupid enough to use Vector, then tough! ;) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 13:44, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

How do you get that clock to the right of your "log out" button? Access Denied ^talk _contribs editor review

special:preferences, Gadgets, User interface gadgets and it's the second option in that list. It's in UTC if that makes any difference. :) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 14:55, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Who are you calling stupid HJ? Ok I might be stupid since I got my left index finger bent backwards, I can't bend it at all and the bandage is so annoying. You really should use Vector it looks way better :P Ғяіᴅaз'§Đøøм | Tea and biscuits? 01:59, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I've reverted your change to the alignment; it off-centers the flag on Monobook. And why is Vector any good? There are script compatibility issues and the layout is just awkward. —MC10 (T•C•GB•L) 02:50, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Ok, that's fine, but monobook is retro and otherwise very outdated. The layout of Vector is similar to the new skins on message boards. Ғяіᴅaз'§Đøøм | Tea and biscuits? 22:10, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Well I use monobook and it's my userpage, so... HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:12, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

So that would describe me as a productive-counter-productive tps? :P I know, but I was just fixing up the alignment for... tidiness? If you like it messy by all means revert it and whaleme :) if you feel it necesary. Ғяіᴅaз'§Đøøм | Tea and biscuits? 08:01, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Kesha

Hello, HJ Mitchell. You have new messages at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Kesha discography/archive1.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

- (CK)Lakeshade - talk2me - 20:23, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

I have done a lead rewrite. Please let me know what you think :) - (CK)Lakeshade - talk2me - 22:19, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

I put in a request for a copy edit has been completed by User:Diannaa. Ive added additional references. I think were good to go. :) - (CK)Lakeshade - talk2me - 22:05, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm sure I can find something to nit pick! ;) I'll have a look later on and strike my oppose when I'm happy, but I'm a little busy on a soon-to-be FLC of my own as it happens. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:09, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Your correct its sang not sung. I was about to change it but you beat me to it, so cut it out, you tend to do that alot. :) And i think you should strike your oppose :) - (CK)Lakeshade - talk2me - 19:13, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Well I was going to add more comments on the prose, but then I thought I'd just fix it myself. I do claim to be a copy editor, after all. I won't be long, just don't give me an edit conflict! ;) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:16, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

List of awards and nominations received by The Bill

Asking here because I know 5asq will come by sooner or later...

First of all, check ym edit summaries, you had a couple things wrong, that mean the lede is going to need a reworking in places.

Further, what would you all think of reworking the article into a single table, and use a new column for the name of the award? Courcelles 16:25, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

• More. File:Thebillnewsequence3-1.jpg should be relicensed as {{pd-text}}, moved to Commons, and then placed in the infobox for the awards article, assuming there aren't any pictures of people, which would be preferable. Courcelles 16:40, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for all your help, it looks much better with the infobox. I can easily fix the minor inaccuracies with the lead, that won't take long. As for the big table, I'm reluctant, tbh. It was in that format, but I thought it looked messy personally. As for the image, are you sure it qualifies as pd-text? If so, I can find the "THE" that goes before it and upload that. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:52, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

That format is awful. I was thinking of a table where the type of the award was first, then the year, and so on. I call co-nom on this thing with you and 5asq for all this work you dropped in my lap ;) As to the image, it's just a word on a blue background. Nowhere near the threshold of originality. Courcelles 16:54, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

To be honest (unless the MoS is going to tell me otherwise), I'm inclined to put my foot down on the separate tables. I just think it's a more accessible format for the reader. If you want co-nom, can you find me a source for the 2003 NTAs? That's the last one I'm really struggling with. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:07, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Oh, I might just be snakebit because I got fussed at in my last FLC about table length (for teh hockey one). Will look for 2003. Courcelles 17:09, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

I agree that the format is bad. How about something like this instead. Or, if you're putting your foot down, at least make the tables the same size. Oh, and why do you have two IMDb refs in the lead, when you have more reliable refs to back up the info? - JuneGloom07 Talk? 17:24, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

How do I make 'em the same size and does it involve lots of horrible fiddly markup? Oh, and because I haven't sorted the lead out yet. I've just been focusing on sourcing the body. They'll come out (along with several more) when I'm done. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:29, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Someone needs to fix that Heath Ledger list up and renominate it. There's a star sitting there for someone's userpage in about 2-3 hours of work, if anyone wants it. Courcelles 17:31, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

I had similar thoughts myself. The previous nominator is a good friend of mine, so I'll drop her a line when I'm finished with The Bill. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:34, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Someone asked Blue about it last week, I think she's still working on it. "Horrible fiddly markup"? I can change the tables for you (I won't ask for a co-nom ;)) or I can show you what to copy and paste and you can do it. - JuneGloom07 Talk? 17:56, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Well I'm not surprised. She's not the kind of editor who just abandons a project. Look at the amount of work that went into Brad Pitt between its first FAC and its second. No, no, you can do it—I'd only end up breaking something and then taking it out on my laptop! ;) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:01, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I'll go change the tables now. If you don't like them, feel free to revert. - JuneGloom07 Talk? 19:09, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

That looks much better. Thanks, June! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:25, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

• Take a look at [1]. The wayback machine... that's how far it is taking me to even find a whiff of the 2003 NTV award nominations for The Bill. Gah, not even certain that's RS material. Will keep looking. Courcelles 20:18, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Looks like you're having about as much fun as I had trying to track down that 1999 award! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:25, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

• • Whoa, whoa. Further digging in the Wayback Machine produces the 2003 NTVA ballot, with several nominations not on our list... Courcelles 20:26, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
  • And, I found the 1999 award. So there! ;) Courcelles 20:26, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
    • I know, I know. How did you find that, btw? I spent the best part of 3 hours searching for it! Btw, looking at that latest FL of yours, Billy Fiske could be a GA with a bit of work. Could be a productive intersection of our interests (though my to-do list just keeps getting longer and longer!). HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:32, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
      • So, do you think we can use that ballot, or must I keep digging through the dusty old files? Fiske could certinately be a GA without much effort, I'm surprised it's not assessed as B-class as it is. The section on his bobsleigh career could be about twice as long, and then pad out his war service and it could be there. Courcelles 20:39, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

I have a ref for Daniel MacPherson's 2003 NTA nomination. - JuneGloom07 Talk? 20:42, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Let's add 'em both in. One can never have too many sources. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:57, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

• What do we think? Is it ready for FLC? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:02, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
  • No. The refs need work regarding consistency. I'll sort them out when I get home. Courcelles 22:19, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Just take a quick look at the EastEnders awards list, do you prefer those tables? They'll take up some of that whitespace down the right. - JuneGloom07 Talk? 22:29, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

The prose says fifty awards, the body lists 37. What gives? Courcelles 23:30, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

I just added up the wins and noms from the infobox. Let me see... HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:45, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

OK, sorted. Btw, are those locations in the refs really necessary? I'll also register my loathing of WP:OVERLINK, though I know it will fall on deaf ears at FLC >:( HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts?

I also get only 8 BAFTA noms, compared to ten in the lede. The locations/publishers are absolutely necessary unless you remove all of them, an untenable position. Sort out the BAFTAs, and I think it is as ready for a nomination as it is going to get. Courcelles 00:17, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

I still don't see why the locations are necessary. I don't mind them, but they don't seem to have much of an encyclopaedic purpose and the vast majority of the English-speaking world will know where a paper as famous as The Guardian is and, if in doubt, could find out in a single click. Anyway, I'll look at the BAFTAs... HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:23, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Alright, issues sorted. I'm not seeing anything else to do, and that's the point when I know any tinkering I would do would be counter-productive. Courcelles 01:04, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

I've just been tinkering with the lead. I get quite obsessive over lead sections. Just ask 5asq—I get very territorial over The Bill's lead, but that took me bloody hours to write! ;) I'll sort the FLC out now. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 01:10, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

I noticed TRM's last point at FLC. I've already changed the tables off-wiki incase the problem came up, so I can make the job easier for you. I can add them to my sandbox and you can just copy and paste them from there, if you want. - JuneGloom07 Talk? 20:35, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Or you could just add it to the article and I'd love you forever! ;) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:37, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Lol, okay. The Others table is going to be a bit different because it has that extra column. The tables will stretch across the article, so there isn't any whitespace. That means that the image will just squash against the table. I think it looks okay, but I'll let you look at it and then you can tinker. - JuneGloom07 Talk? 20:57, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Is it not possible to keep the tables the width they are, but the columns of equal length. Also, what do you make of the latest comment at the FLC? It's another fiddly table question. I copy edit; I don't do fiddly tables! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:00, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

I can take a look at the tables if you want - I can usually do fiddly markup :) - Happysailor ^(Talk) 21:08, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Hows this for the tables: User:Happysailor/Sandbox - Happysailor ^(Talk) 21:26, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Maybe we should wait for Courcelles then or let Happysailor (cool name) have a go. I haven't tried to get the columns in that type of table the same width before and I don't want to wreck anything. This is what the other tables would have looked like. - JuneGloom07 Talk? 21:29, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

I think your version is what the FLC folk are getting at. Could you make all the tables the same width as the National Television Awards table, though? Although it's a big chunk of whitespace outside the tables, the alternative is just large chunks of grey space inside them. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:34, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Give me a couple of minutes... - JuneGloom07 Talk? 21:55, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I think I've done it (that Other table is a real pain with it's extra column). What do you think? - JuneGloom07 Talk? 22:34, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

That's great! Why don't you add it into the article and we'll see what the FLC folk think? As for the Other table, that's going to be a pain in the arse whatever we do, but I think the way is in your sandbox is the best solution unless someone at the FLC has any ideas. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:41, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Good article reviewing

I know you've done some Good Article reviewing (or your userpage says you do), and I was wondering how to get involved with it, and how much effort goes into it. ~DC _{Let's Vent} 05:07, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

I counted them up the other day. I've done about 60, which is more than I expected. Getting involved is easy, all you have to do is find an article at WP:GAN that interests you and follow the instructions at the top of GAN to mark it as on review and start a separate page for the review. Everyone does reviews differently in my experience (I've nominated a few articles myself), but you just have to read through the article quite thoroughly and offer some constructive criticism for improvement. Once you're satisfied it meets the criteria, there's another set of simple steps at GAN to follow. How much effort depends on the article—the second review I ever did took nearly 2 months because of a whole load of problems, mainly with dead external links because the article had fallen into disrepair, but others have taken a day or two or just a few hours. Pick an article that looks interesting and, if you get stuck on anything, let me know and I'll give you a hand. :) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 13:38, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll give it a shot after the weekend. ~DC _{Let's Vent} 15:52, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Unofficial Review

Hey HJ, Can you (or any TPSers :) ) take a look at Llanishen Reservoir and give me your opinion in regards to rating it? All the ones atm have been self added by involved editors, and i'm looking to see if it is anywhere near worth nominating it for GA or if there's anything major to fix. Thanks - Happysailor ^(Talk) 21:01, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

At first glance, there are no fundamental issues, but it'll probably need a copy edit, the lead need expanding, it looks a little untidy, the references need formatting. It could be a GA, but it would take a day or 2 of hard work to fix those issues. Hopefully the issues are only really cosmetic, though it's easier to assess the reliability of a source once it's in a formatted citation. Have a look at WP:RefToolbar to help you there if you haven't already. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:13, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Cool, Thanks for that - I'll take a look at WP:RefToolbar :) - Happysailor ^(Talk) 21:17, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

FLC

I've done what I can, thought he last table being one column longer is problematic. Got any brilliant ideas what to do about that... because I'm stumped. Courcelles 22:26, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

I think June's going to copy her sandbox version into the article. The last table is stretched, but it's the same width as the others. It's not ideal, but it should do and I can't imagine something that small standing in the way of promotion if everything else is sorted. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:45, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

I saw that. If memory serves, TRM has a narrow screen, so mine might work better. (Note that her and I have done the exact same things, just with different widths for the template calls.) Courcelles 22:47, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Is it really such a big deal? Will the FLC fail if the tables aren't perfectly lined up? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:51, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Nah. FLC is a game of one thing these days... attracting reviewers. It seems like everything else can be dealt with. It looks good. I'm just in a tad bit of a pissy mood today, sorry if you've caught some of it. (On another note, what is it with DYK lately. Their hooks are so long- both in number of hooks and the length of each hook; perfecting MP balance is almost impossible.) Courcelles 22:55, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

The tables are all the same length and all the columns (except in the last table), are the same width. If TRM has a problem with things not fitting on one line, I will buy him a new screen. :P - JuneGloom07 Talk? 22:57, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks June. Courcelles, I hadn't noticed the pissy mood (probably because I'm not much better), but I can think of more productive things to worry about than the alignment of a few tables! I like the tables how they are, hopefully Rambling Man will. What do either of you think to centring everything? The left alignment look odd to me now that the columns are longer. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:08, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Oh, and I tend to leave DYK to it and balance around them. The Hurricane Earl blurb on ITN is going to need trimming though, it's as long as all the others put together. I've a feeling I'll be reverted if I start hacking at it, though. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:11, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Tomorrow's TFA is a good bit longer, so in 48 minutes we'll be able to add an item back to ITN. PS, you have an e-mail. Courcelles 23:19, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Argh. I've just readded two old things to ITN and one to OTD... and the RHS is still a few items too short. The TFA is one of the longest I've ever noticed today. Courcelles 00:34, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

That's a massive TFA! I thought they were supposed to be 1200 characters? That one's 2084! RHS? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:38, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Right-hand side. And you call yourself a main-page admin ;) I just posted Lahore... partly because ITN needed something fresh, not re-adding of really old news. Courcelles 00:40, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Ah, I see! But no, I call myself an ITN admin. I just happen to spend a disproportionate amount of my life balancing the Main Page. I've even edited the MP itself, but only once. I think I have twice as many posts to ITN/C though as I do to T:MP and WP:ERRORS combined. In fact, come to think of it, I have a lot of edits to that page! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:48, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

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Replied :) Connormah (talk) 03:03, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Replied again. Connormah (talk) 03:12, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Animal

Ive listed Animal for a peer review as i plan to nominated it for GA and GA topic in the next little while. I know your busy with your FLC right now so where ever you get a change if you could comment on the review (Wikipedia:Peer review/Animal (Kesha album)/archive1) that would be great. :) - (CK)Lakeshade - talk2me - 03:36, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Gaga discography FLC

I've responded to your comments. Most of the issues have been fixed, however there's some things that were left unchanged. Please take a look and see if you have any more concerns. I'm a little tired right now so I might have missed some things. :P –Chase (talk) 03:54, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Diego Grez

(moved from unprotected talk) It is my understanding that any edits or nominations User:Diego_Grez makes to Wikipedia at large have to be approved by you first as part of a mentorship deal. Could you clear up whether you approved his MfD of User:Murdox/GNAA? Thanks in advance. Murdox (talk) 04:36, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

I think the restrictions got lifted. Not sure though. NativeForeigner ^Talk/_Contribs 04:52, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

I had a look through the editing restriction list and he's still up there, along with the talk-page notice about it. Murdox (talk) 12:57, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

WP:COI here much? IF you are going to complain about an MFD from a user under restrictions/mentorship, it probably would be a good thing for the MFD to not be about your own article/sandbox. That page is an attack page and the fact that you never moved it into the mainspace proves that.--White Shadows ^{Your guess is as good as mine} 10:38, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

I fail to see how this discussion falls within the generally accepted scope of wp:coi. Furthermore, this isn't the venue to be slinging accusations about the purpose of a page in userspace, one which has only been in existence for seven days. Nothing proven here. riffic (talk) 10:51, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

The discussion on the merits of the userpage is best suited to the MfD. However, Diego was perfectly entitled to make the nomination. The only restriction he's under, as I understand it, is my continued mentorship. Most of the rest were lifted after a discussion on AN. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 14:32, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Probably would make sense to seek the final lifting sooner or later. –xeno^talk 18:00, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

... for closing the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation. It really needed an uninvolved third party to review the arguments. With respect to your comments, there actually already is a bot (mine) approved to do this task, but every time it ran it got objections from some editors, so I felt it was necessary to gauge consensus before proceeding. Best wishes! --R'n'B (call me Russ) 11:18, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome. When I saw the appeal for a closer, I was expecting a a long, heated discussion, but that was quite an easy close. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 14:34, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Please stop

- Just look at that.[2] Was a widespread damage. So? Please stop recommending me Wikinews and stop sending me messages on my page for this. Thanks! - Eugen Simion 14 (talk) 17:49, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I'm assuming you're complaining about some event at WP:ITN/C. While some earthquakes fall under our requirements for inclusion on the Main Page this is not one of them. Earthquakes need to have significant casualties of human life. I do not see any reports of loss of human life. This article would be a valuable addition to Wikinews though if you want to create the article their. Cheers, Mr. R00t ^Talk 18:03, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Too late [3] :-P Diego Grez (talk) 18:11, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Eugen Simion

...Enough from this guy. What should I do? He just refuses to understand these articles are not appropriate for Wikipedia... Diego Grez (talk) 18:21, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Well it's becoming an issue of either competence or disruption. I've yet to decide which. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:24, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

I'd go with incompetence. But that is just because of his spelling. Mr. R00t ^Talk 18:26, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Please look at my ITN aricles, that were posted on main page. - Eugen Simion 14 (talk) 18:32, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Your articles that have been posted on ITN are great. I don't know why you fail to grasp that the article you recently created, 2010 New Zealand earthquake, does not belong on Wikipedia but is better suited to a spot on Wikinews. Mr. R00t ^Talk 18:36, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

How can a 7.2 earthquake that cause widespread damage can be suitable for speedy deletion, that Diego Grez started. [4]-. Eugen Simion 14 (talk) 18:40, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

It has not yet caused any casualties and as of yet does not have any international significance. Please read our guidelines on notability at WP:NOTABLE. The article also does not explain how it is significant. It doesn't even give enough info to properly explain the subject of the article (I think that's three different CSDs). 18:44, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) It's not necessarily the level on the Richter scale that's relevant, it's the impact. Take a look at the articles in Category:Earthquakes in New Zealand - many are lesser earthquakes on the Richter scale, but we have articles due to the notable impact of the quakes. There are something like 12000 earthquakes in New Zealand every year. This one was arguably notable in that it was quite large and the epicentre was near Christchurch, but really that's the best I could offer for notability. It sounds grim, but unless Christchurch was more damaged there's no notability here. TFOWR 18:55, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Yep, I'm expanding the article with info from my Wikinews article and hopefully to get it on "in the news". There was damage according to local reports, but I want to see more information, it just happened two hours ago... :) Diego Grez (talk) 18:57, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

I hope you will understand that is not a rush adding CSDs without more details. That article is under construction. - Eugen Simion 14 (talk) 19:02, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes, yes, after I decided to save your article... Diego Grez (talk) 19:03, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Sorry that I was so rude. Happy Day! - - Eugen Simion 14 (talk) 19:05, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Eugen Simion, could I ask you to consider whether an event is actually going to be notable before creating an article. Wikipedia doesn't and can't have an article on every earthquake or bombing or shooting or whatever that ever happened, otherwise we'd have thousands of articles that nobody ever read about bombings, shootings and earthquakes. If you want to write about smaller events that aren't notable, you still can, but you should do it at Wikinews instead. :) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:14, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Hey, but that doesn't mean we have to accept articles for (obviously non notable) magnitude 1.x earthquakes ;) Diego Grez (talk) 01:11, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Meh. Everybody's far too busy arguing amongst themselves over there to notice. Whisky drinker | HJ's sock (Mistake? let me know) 01:20, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Hey

Okay, i generally use Video Static and no one bitched about it on my Kesha FLC so here a link for About A Girl. If i find any more good sources ill let you know :) - (CK)Lakeshade - talk2me - 21:58, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Hamas#Settlers

Could you take a look at the above discussion, one editor who is completely against the grain of consensus resorts to the same arguement and attaks editrs who disagree with him and tries to keep reinserting his opinon. Sanctions?Lihaas (talk) 01:10, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, you'll have to find another admin, Tariqabjotu (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) is a good admin and is active in the Israel/Palestine area, but I've had enough of that to last me a lifetime. Whisky drinker | HJ's sock (Mistake? let me know) 01:23, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Copyedit request

Hi HJ! I'm going for my second good article (2010 Pichilemu earthquake) and it probably needs a copyedit. Any help is welcome! :) --Diego Grez (talk) 02:02, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

I'll add it to the list! It might be a little while before I can do much, though. I've got two other copy edit requests to get back to, an FLC, a GAN to review and a whole load of pet projects I've been meaning to get round to! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 02:06, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of fictional characters who can fly

HJ, perhaps you could explain your close in some detail, more than just the bare "delete" ( and this was an AfD that really would have been helped by an explanation at the time of closing). First, does your close apply equally to all the articles? It seems to be that good arguments were raised why at least one of the articles should be treated more favorably than the others. Second, what of the various issues did you consider the most relevant ones--the doubts about sourcing, the doubts about indiscriminate,, or whatever affected your decisions. Third, why did you reject the keep arguments?

As you know, my personal opinion about what should be done with these articles is that they should be kept & improved; my view of what the community thinks,--which is of course a different matter--is that the community is undecided. DGG ( talk ) 03:57, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Well it must have seemed pretty clear cut at the time for me not to provide a rationale and it seems pretty clear cut to me now. Looking at it, though, nobody provided a strong rationale to counter the nomination and several delete !voters argued that the list were indiscriminate and non-notable/unencyclopaedic cross-sections, meanwhile the keep !votes seemed very weak—mostly variations of "obviously notable" or "perfectly valid" with no further explanation. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:17, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

With that in mind, would you be adverse to a relisting for further discussion, so that such could be presented? - jc37 20:53, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Note

As you removed this user's rollback access, you may want to see Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/Rollback#User:Schrandit. Dabomb87 (talk) 14:26, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

So I did. That was nearly 2 months ago it seems, so iff you're satisfied, then I have no objection to re-granting it. Thanks for the note. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 15:36, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Quick question

If I create an article in my userspace, can you move it and it's history to the mainspace? - JuneGloom07 Talk? 16:26, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Sure. I can move it with or without a redirect or delete the existing article then move it. I can even move up to a hundred subpages all in 2 clicks. Mops are incredibly useful! :) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:29, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Usually I create articles off Wiki, but I've been working on this one forever and I need to clear some space. Those mops are very useful indeed. :) - JuneGloom07 Talk? 16:48, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Lindsay Lohan Category

Hey, HJ, why would a BLP be a category? Seems circular and odd (to me).--Bbb23 (talk) 18:05, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Why would a BLP be a category? I don't understand. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:07, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

You created the Lohan category and then added the category to her article. No?--Bbb23 (talk) 18:24, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes, that's normal. See Wikipedia:Categorization, particularly the section Eponymous categories. Reach Out to the Truth 19:06, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

I read that (since I first asked the question - should have read it first but I was lazy). The examples given, though (Shakespeare and Tolkien) each have quite a few related articles, whereas Lohan has only two, and it doesn't seem likely she will ever have as many as the examples. See also WP:SMALLCAT. Maybe a category for her should wait until she has enough related articles to justify it?--Bbb23 (talk) 19:14, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Well it has 3 articles (including Lohan's) and 2 subcategories. It'll grow if she releases more music, I suppose. If anyone wants to CfD it, they can. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:11, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

I don't think it's justified, but I don't feel strongly enough about it to seek discussion on it. Just wanted to know your thoughts.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:30, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

The Bill

Can you please help out with the image on the above file? Only I'm now getting into trouble because it's not displaying copyright information? Only when I uploaded it it definitely displayed the copyright as belonging to ITV and that the image was a screenshot? I'm unsure what to do as I've not done anything wrong --5 albert square (talk) 20:40, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

I've re-inserted the copyright status but can you please make sure that what I've done is correct? I think that something happened when you added the list page --5 albert square (talk) 20:47, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

It's not copyright. I'm told it's not original enough to qualify for copyright. Anyway, I've added template:information to it. If anybody else complains, send them here! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:13, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks and I will do, I've already told them off and told them that I did upload it with copyright thank you very much! When you get a sec, can you please take a look at Respect (The Bill) just to give it the once over? I've nominated it for DYK even though I didn't create it but so far the opinion on it is neutral :/ --5 albert square (talk) 21:58, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Well it meets the DYK criteria in that it's less than 5 days old and has over 1500 characters of prose (3516 to be precise) but it's pretty much just a plot summary. It could use something other than plot details, but it should be eligible for DYK as it is. The problem (having looked at the nomination) is that the hook yo;re using to get it onto DYK isn't cited in the article and a lot of the article is unsourced. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:11, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

OK, I've changed the hook to make it clearer, the article is as sourced as I can get it I think. Any further suggestions? --5 albert square (talk) 23:02, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Knew there was a reason I loved ya, that's it beefed up nice and proper now as they would say in The Bill! Thank you! You done it better than I could as they would say lol. Just out of interest, I've also created an article for Faye Daveney --5 albert square (talk) 01:45, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm not finished yet. Bugger DYK, I reckon a GA could be made of it, but it'll take some work. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 02:20, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

RE: Rollback

hi again mitchell, as per our discussion: i've installed Friendly and Twinkle on my account and went back through my list of reverts giving out both welcome (where appropriate) and caution or warning messages on the talk pages of the last 20 or so users i reverted; i'll be sure to continue the practice in the future. i also gave thanks to another user, Jeff_G., who had already given warnings/welcomes to some of the users i had reverted. (p.s. i stole one of your user boxes) WookieInHeat (talk) 18:49, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Michael Phelps review

What's up man? Are you going to abandon the review?Philipmj24 (talk) 22:39, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

No, I'm just a bit busy at the minute. I'll try to get back to it in the next day or 2. The article's in pretty good shape so it shouldn't take too long to wrap it up. Sorry for the delay. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:42, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

No problem. Thanks for the explantation.Philipmj24 (talk) 22:47, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Stephens City

See my talk again. Connormah (talk) 23:01, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

FG CE: Reminder

Hey just reminding you about Family Guy and the copy edit. --Pedro J. ^{the rookie} 20:19, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Just a note to stop this getting archived by the bot. I will get round to the copy edit soon! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 03:38, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Edits of protected articles

Hi. At my request, you protected Template:Political parties in Slovakia, Template:Czech political parties, Template:Hungarian political parties, and Template:Luxembourgian political parties, for which I'm grateful. The protection was applied to end an edit war and spur discussion to resolve a content dispute. Whilst I have offered to discuss the issue to reach consensus, the other party involved in the content dispute has refused to discuss at either forum agreed upon: his or her user talk page and one of the article talk pages.

I do not think that the dispute is resolved, because I have no evidence that the other user has either changed his or her POV or accepted the tenets of WP:V as I explained to him or her. However, I do request that the templates be edited under protection to remove the flag, and thus force the other party, if he or she is interested in discussion, back to discuss why the edit was made in the first place. I think this would be a constructive to resolve the impasse. Thanks. Bastin 03:31, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Sorry to hear that the dispute isn't solved after all that time. I'm afraid, though, that if I did what you're asking, I'd be in clear breach of policy. Fully protected pages are only edited by admins to make trivial changes (fixing typos, for instance) or changes that have a clear consensus. The only thing I can suggest is raising it on the talk page of a relevant wikiproject. Sorry I can't be of more help, but my hands are tied. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 03:37, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Re: Archiving

Hi HJ Mitchell (admin), is it wrong for to do that? Thanks for your reply. — Mikhailov Kusserow (talk) 04:43, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of awards and nominations received by Drake/archive1

Replied to your comments. Thank you for reviewing the nomination! Hope you will reply soon. --K.Annoyomous (talk) 04:57, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Fay Ripley

I haven't really done much with the article since the FAC, since the only outstanding issue was the image. I would email her agency to see if they'd licence her headshot or something but I'm not sure who her current representation is. Oh well. :) Bradley0110 (talk) 18:15, 6 September 2010 (UTC)