User talk:I dream of horses/2020/August

A message from Gorkelobb

Hello, you rejected my article about Anthony Brennan, III and about the incident he caused. I cited a dozen mainstream media articles entirely about the incident, him and the fallout. Before he was arrested, both the Maryland Attorney General and the Mayor of DC commented, appealing to the public for information. After he was arrested, media reported that he had attempted to conceal his crime; that he was fired; and that 20 people showed up to his house to protest. Before he was arrested, two men were mistakenly identified as him, doxxed and harassed; I cited 4 articles on this aspect, that also covered the original incident.

What more is required to meet your minimum standards for notability? I cited a dozen independent credible sources entirely focused on the subject; how many more are required? Gorkelobb (talk) 01:56, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Gorkelobb, you should probably read over the page about biographies of living people involved in one event; typically, such people aren't really notable. I dream of horses (talk page) (Contribs) Remember to notify me after replying off my talk page. 06:23, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

OK, but after I deleted the article about Brennan III, you then deleted the subsequent article I wrote about the event itself, which why was I contacted you here. As I noted above, I cited a dozen independent mainstream media sources, and a lot more than that covered the incident, and the Attorney General of Maryland and the Mayor of DC called on the public to assist with. Besides the original incident, major media continued to report on events as they developed, including the related doxxing incidents, the arrest of Brennan, and the protest at his house. So what is the criteria for notability about an event? Wiki guidelines say at least one mention in a reliable source is sufficient.Gorkelobb (talk) 18:10, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Gorkelobb, right, but there are additional guidelines in regards to living people to prevent defamation. I dream of horses (talk page) (Contribs) Remember to notify me after replying off my talk page. 07:14, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

I dream of horses Again, my question is about the significance of an event, not the primary person involved; my second article was about the event, not the person. The Mayor of DC and the AG of MD considered this event significant enough to publicly comment on the incident and appeal to the public for help. The assault on 3 people shocked the consciences of people all over the DMV region, and generated two weeks of news coverage in dozens of major media sources, including national media, culminating with Brennan's arrest and charges. How is this not significant? What are the minimum criteria for an event to be considered significant? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gorkelobb (talk • contribs) 14:52, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

@Gorkelobb: Ah, I see, you created another article under a different title, and GPL93 figured it out and moved it to draftspace. Whatever notability coming from this event probably won't endure; hence not only the WP:BLP1E policy but also the WP:NOTNEWS policy. A draft can be left unedited for six months without being deleted for staleness; even a relatively minor edit will restart the clock, and it doesn't have to be deleted if someone established sees potential in the draft. This can wait. Until then, take "no" for an answer. I dream of horses (talk page) (Contribs) Remember to notify me after replying off my talk page. 00:45, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

A message from Hotdurger

hi, you keep reverting my graffiti help to the Xenos Christian Fellowship wikipedia page. have you been in Xenos since u were a kid? Hotdurger (talk) 03:21, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Hotdurger, I think a more relevant question is why not add this sort of information about Xenos someplace not on Wikipedia, where it wouldn't be considered be considered graffiti?

No, I haven't, but my question still stands. --I dream of horses (talk page) (Contribs) Remember to notify me after replying off my talk page. 03:24, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

This information does exist, on this website: https://www.xenosisacult.com/ also, https://www.reddit.com/r/Columbus/search/?q=xenos&source=recent&restrict_sr=1 (shit sorry i think i messed up the formatting im new to wikipedia) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hotdurger (talk • contribs) 03:27, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

@Hotdurger: No worries, fixed your formatting. Just remember to put your reply to my most recent message at the bottom of this section.

Perhaps, if you are/know the webmaster of the site, you can look into things like Search engine optimization instead of vandalizing Wikipedia. I dream of horses (talk page) (Contribs) Remember to notify me after replying off my talk page. 03:32, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

holy shit this is legal?? i thought that was exclusive to big tech companies. i dont know if the owner of https://www.xenosisacult.com/ will be able to afford a service like that, but it is also hard to reach the owner of that site in particular because they must remain anonymous — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hotdurger (talk • contribs) 03:39, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

@Hotdurger: By "search engine optimization" I meant the legal, white hat search optimization, defined on Wikipedia and contrasted with "black hat search engine optimization":

SEO techniques can be classified into two broad categories: techniques that search engine companies recommend as part of good design ("white hat"), and those techniques of which search engines do not approve ("black hat").

I'm sure the owner of the website is aware of this, and is able to bring awareness of the site. I dream of horses (talk page) (Contribs) Remember to notify me after replying off my talk page. 04:30, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Rue du Mail reverted

Hi, you just reverted my edit on Rue du Mail. I do believe this is a mistake. Below is the text I added, which I think provides useful information on the fashion house all-the-while keeping a neutral tone:

The purpose for creating the Rue du Mail fashion house was to explore futuristic clothing ideas. Jimmy Chan had met Martine Sitbon through the designer Titi Kwan. The first three seasons were positive for the fashion house, but failed to grow larger in its fourth year, thus resolving to remain a modest business size-wise. The creative force is led by Martine Sitbon, a veteran in the fashion industry. She creates svelte, moody designs for Rue du Mail, exploring with unconventional fabrics, and seeking autre genre effects.

So I made a few typos I was about to fix, but the gist of it seems ok, doesn't it ? --Donnehush (talk) 02:40, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Donnehush, it's best to avoid words like words, and phrases like "futuristic clothing ideas," "modest," "creative force," "veteran in the fashion industry," "svelte, moody designs," and "unconventional" on Wikipedia. A common exception would be if you can add "according to Specific Person '[insert opinion here]'" somewhere before or after such a statement. I dream of horses (Contribs) Please notify me with {{U|I dream of horses}} after replying off my talk page. Thank you. 02:47, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Forrest Williams

Hi, I attempted to add a general description of myself on the Forrest Williams musician page in wiki and it disappeared and says you edited it 10 minutes ago. Please explain? Could you help me please? Thanks, Forrest Williams ( of band Big Wreck) Donald Forrest Williams (talk) 13:36, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Donald Forrest Williams, 331dot left a pretty good explanation on why I did that on your talk page. It's not that likely you're notable beyond the band you were in (not that you aren't important, just that you don't qualify for an article). I dream of horses (Contribs) Please notify me with {{U|I dream of horses}} after replying off my talk page. Thank you. 13:40, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

A message from Geniusdibya

Thank you so much for your welcome message. I am looking to share more of my learning and edits to the community. Happy to be a part of Wiki community.

My edits got rejected, saying its spam. I just added a useful link to check domains in the blocklist. While I respect the communities decision, but not really clear why so. Because I added as an external link where some other useful links were also there.

Geniusdibya (talk) 13:43, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Geniusdibya, if there was a CAPTCHA you didn't/couldn't fill out, that would've been the problem. On top of that, some links are frequently spammed in a bot-like fashion; social media links are prone to this. You might have better luck after your account is four days old and you have ten edits in article space. I dream of horses (Contribs) Please notify me with {{U|I dream of horses}} after replying off my talk page. Thank you. 20:09, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

A message from Myocarditis

Hello

I have tried to add a link to my charities website as we are the UK's only dedicated myocarditis support network. Please could you let me know why you feel this is inappropriate on a page discussing myocarditis? Myocarditis (talk) 21:20, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Myocarditis, I would've done the same to any charity that added a link to the page, particularly if I suspected that a person affiliated with it added the link.

You are strongly urged to read over our conflict of interest guidelines. I dream of horses (Contribs) Please notify me after replying off my talk page. Thank you. 21:29, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

A message from Joethompson143

You rejected my change about Trussville City Schools. You said that I did not provide a source. I will reedit and use a source. I will also remove information from the article where the source is a non-working link. I will also go back and remove any information that does not have a source. Joethompson143 (talk) 21:37, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

A message from Jaredscribe

Thanks for the welcome. I really appreciate it! I scanned a dozen or so articles on Editing, BRD, Avoiding Edit wars, the 5 pillars, and what WP is not. I pledge to strive for neutrality and verifiability in my contributions. Feel free to comment on how I'm doing. Jaredscribe (talk) 01:01, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

A message from MssLibrarian

Thank you for the welcome. Interesting to learn about the Tea House and the Task Center as well as more about all of the preliminaries. Beginning with citation checking and adding external links. Thank you for your patience. MssLibrarian (talk) 04:27, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

A message from BildadtomyPeleg

Hello, I'm working on my first page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Ontotext_GraphDB) and you reported a copyright violation. I'm trying very hard to avoid this. The report you attached says 'violation unlikely' https://copyvios.toolforge.org/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&title=Draft:Ontotext_GraphDB&url=&oldid=930113529 Thanks for any help. BildadtomyPeleg (talk) 10:09, 15 August 2020 (UTC) BildadtomyPeleg (talk) 10:09, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

BildadtomyPeleg, right, I've removed the copyright violation and an admin might remove it from the page history entirely. I dream of horses (Contribs) Please notify me after replying off my talk page. Thank you. 10:28, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Copyviol Zhidou D2

The text in the Zhidou D2 is copyvio — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.163.162.207 (talk) 10:39, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

The page looks like it's undergoing investigation. --I dream of horses (Contribs) Please notify me after replying off my talk page. Thank you. 17:01, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

The Voice of Poland page protection

Hi! I would like to ask you about page protection. As an administrator you can do this, so please if you could, add a extended confirmed protection on page The Voice of Poland. I make sure that there is always checked and true information on the site, but there are a lot of unregistered people and, as it turns out, those who have accounts and all do extreme vandal actions. Thank you in advance for your help. :) SWFan598 (talk) 19:20, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

SWFan598, I'm not an admin. Go to WP:RPP. I dream of horses (Contribs) Please notify me after replying off my talk page. Thank you. 00:39, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

checkwiki

Hi. I hope you are doing well.
Till now, I have been using a lot of AWB functions proficiently. There are some functions that I am aware of, but I haven't used. I don't know where/how to download the dumps, and how to edit them through AWB. Wikipedia:WikiProject Check Wikipedia is not clear about it either. If I can download the dumps, I think I will be able to edit them though AWB. Any help would be appreciated a lot. Regards, —usernamekiran (talk) 12:24, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

Usernamekiran, I use the Checkwiki Number option under "make list." Can you find it? I dream of horses (Contribs) Please notify me after replying off my talk page. Thank you. 16:52, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

I see "check wiki error" which asks for URL, then "check wiki error (number)" which asks for error number, and then there is database dump. —usernamekiran (talk) 17:31, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

I'm currently on WP:CWERRORS. But AWB is not accepting 2, 02, {{CW|50}}, nor "CW Error #50". —usernamekiran (talk) 17:47, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

Usernamekiran, try to do only the number (2 or 02, 50, etc.) and tell me what happens. I dream of horses (Contribs) Please notify me after replying off my talk page. Thank you. 19:20, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

The remote server returned an error: (308) permanent redirect. To 2, 02, and 50. —usernamekiran (talk) 19:56, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

usernamekiran Hate to say this, but I have never encountered that error, so can't help troubleshoot. I dream of horses (Contribs) Please notify me after replying off my talk page. Thank you. 21:52, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

lol. Its alright. Thanks a lot for your help, it is appreciated a lot. See you around —usernamekiran (talk) 21:54, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

follow-up: I found how to use the URL method by myself You can see the details at checkwiki talkpage at special:permalink/973303707#AWB not making list. —usernamekiran (talk) 13:58, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks

Hello! Thanks for your message. (BaronJaguar (talk) 21:57, 16 August 2020 (UTC))

A message from Genland PZ

Thank you for your welcome! Genland PZ (talk) 22:43, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks from me too

Thanks for the kind welcome, lots to learn and I'm looking forward to it. RCDISFJ (talk) 04:26, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

A message from ShashwatGhosh

Thanks for the link

SAP Concur's competition was updated. Happay is the company name, you can check the website here https://happay.com/

ShashwatGhosh (talk) 04:31, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

ShashwatGhosh, maybe familiarize yourself with edit summaries. I dream of horses (Contribs) Please notify me after replying off my talk page. Thank you. 04:35, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Quick note on Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism

Thanks for your edits to Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism. Here Special:Diff/973598735 you removed report for User:MK0750. I don't see any edit summary which says why it was removed. When the mentioned user is clearly cross-wiki spam. And there was a need to take some action against them. But you removed it saying stale! If I missed something please let me know. Sorry for the trouble. QueerEcofeminist ^{"cite! even if you fight"!!!} [they/them/their] 07:36, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

QueerEcofeminist, wouldn't there be a more appropriate venue for cross-wiki spam other than AIV, since that could potentially warrant global sysop/steward action on smaller wikis? I dream of horses (Contribs) Please notify me after replying off my talk page. Thank you. 07:45, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

I dream of horses, right!, but I thought even here, they are spamming so wouldn't that qualify a local block? QueerEcofeminist ^{"cite! even if you fight"!!!} [they/them/their] 07:47, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

QueerEcofeminist, after looking through the last few edits (granted, with help from page preview), there was only one specific case of spam, which probably doesn't fit the criteria of the rather quick vandalism that AIV can sometimes require. I see why you would want to use AIV, though. I'm starting to see there's no clear-cut board for this. Maybe the conflict of interest board is another option, since an overly positive POV can sometimes be a sign of a COI. I dream of horses (Contribs) Please notify me after replying off my talk page. Thank you. 08:01, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Samiul Shajib

Hi, I was just looking at the above draft for unrelated reasons, and I noticed you reverted some of the draft author's edits with an "unexplained content removal" note. I'm a little confused as to why you've done this, as it looks like you've reverted their good faith attempts to figure out referencing? stwalkerster (talk) 21:36, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Stwalkerster, my bad; in my haste I hadn't notice it was in draftspace. I've reverted myself. Thanks for pointing it out. I dream of horses (Contribs) Please notify me after replying off my talk page. Thank you. 21:37, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Thank you

very kind. Thanks a lot. I look forward to a long contribution here on the amazing Wikipedai. Wikinerdishere — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikinerdishere (talk • contribs) 22:16, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

A message from S ishajib

I aM nEW Here and I made few mistake

S ishajib (talk) 23:00, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

A message from S ishajib

I am A artist I wish You will Approval My Details In Wikipedia .

S ishajib (talk) 23:01, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

@S ishajib: I strongly advise against writing an autobiography on Wikipedia. --I dream of horses (Contribs) Please notify me after replying off my talk page. Thank you. 23:03, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

A message from JustTheFactsMichigan

Hi there, I think I received a message from you on a talk page -- that is the first time I have received a message and I am not sure if I am replying correctly -- but fingers crossed I am! Just wanted to thank you for your warm welcome to Wikipedia. Clearly there are things I did not do correctly because my submission got rejected. I will try to fix it and resubmit it. I will look over the tips you sent. Thank you.JustTheFactsMichigan (talk) 02:30, 19 August 2020 (UTC) JustTheFactsMichigan (talk) 02:30, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

A message from MTiger

Thank you for the welcome message. I'll try to collaborate with Wikipedia on a more regular basis. MTiger (talk) 02:58, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Kanga (garment)

My edit to the article Kanga (garment) was a reversion of another IP editor's vandalism. IP editor 81.107.191.160 (who is a known and persistent vandal) changed the word "ululations" to "salulations". The latter is not a word. 68.43.231.88 (talk) 22:56, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

My apologies. I self-reverted. I dream of horses (Contribs) Please notify me after replying off my talk page. Thank you. 23:36, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

A goat for you!

Thanks!

Semioptimist (talk) 00:02, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Untitled

I have proof you are wrong about J.D Power they are a corrupt way for the highest paying company to get the most awards i did a paper on them back in 1997 now since I haven't researched them again since the new owner they might actually be legit, but as far as J.D owing the company it was corrupted. I will try to find my old paper and email it to you , but I'm going to do more research on new owner first cause I really rather not waste your time. If I prove to be wrong about the new owner. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.253.161.117 (talk) 01:15, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

We don't come out and say "This law agency is corrupt", we summarize reliable sources that say they're corrupt (or not). --I dream of horses (Contribs) Please notify me after replying off my talk page. Thank you. 01:20, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Category:Gender-critical Wikipedians

I agree with you. ▸₷truthious Ⓑandersnatch◂ 01:16, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Struthious Bandersnatch, let's start a precedent of stating whether or not you agree with me at the deletion discussion if it's safe. Now's a good time to start. --I dream of horses (Contribs) Please notify me after replying off my talk page. Thank you. 01:23, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Ah, I actually replied there first and was confused by the "Please notify me after replying" part of your signature. --▸₷truthious Ⓑandersnatch◂ 02:29, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Struthious Bandersnatch, that's in case someone wants to talk to me directly. If you want to sway the discussion, go there. I dream of horses (Contribs) Please notify me after replying off my talk page. Thank you. 06:54, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the welcome and links about how to get started

I use Wikipedia a lot and I'm here to contribute to and participate in this global experiment in shared knowledge. I must say this doesn't look the right place for this post to have landed. I'm sorry about this.

ArtemisXLVII (talk) 13:24, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

ArtemisXLVII, this is actually the right place for the message to land! You're welcome! I dream of horses (Contribs) Please notify me after replying off my talk page. Thank you. 08:59, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

Portuguese

I don't speak Portuguese, but after looking things up on Wiktionary and Google Translate, I think this edit has AWB software fixing untranslated Portuguese as if it were misspelled English. The article wasn't very useful anyway because of the bad translation, but I don't think that helped. Art LaPella (talk) 04:14, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

@Art LaPella: I self reverted and added {{Lang|pt}} to the relevant sections. The template helps screen readers to read the text correctly and has a side benefit of having AWB skip it entirely. --I dream of horses (Contribs) Please notify me after replying off my talk page. Thank you. 04:23, 23 August 2020 (UTC) (slight rewrite at 04:24, 23 August 2020 (UTC))

How to change

How to change photo permanent in our own page Vinaypandagre (talk) 19:18, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Vinaypandagre, since you're using the phrasing "our own page", I'll advise you to use {{request edit}} on the talk page. I dream of horses (Contribs) Please notify me after replying off my talk page. Thank you. 19:23, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Jeff Keast

I'd like to write an article about my good friend and local Republican politician Jeff Keast. Unfortunately, I have obvious bias towards him (I plan to work on his mayoral campaign, and he acts as a mentor for my political career). Would you help me out if I provide the undisputable information (i.e. he was born in Bourbonnais, he's a Republican, and he has 2 children), and you do the stuff that requires you to not have a bias? AlexKTsirikos (talk) 01:42, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

AlexKTsirikos, it looks like you're writing a draft. That's a good thing, since you'd have someone else with less of a bias look it over.

Unfortunately, I will warn it's pretty rare that local politicians, regardless of party affiliation, qualify for an article; it's not impossible, just improbable. However, you're doing everything right so far. I dream of horses (Contribs) Please notify me after replying off my talk page. Thank you. 01:54, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Okay, I knew it was a long shot. AlexKTsirikos (talk) 01:59, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

A message from Specialrunnyhoney

Thanks. Will do.Specialrunnyhoney (talk) 02:22, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

cdg1072

Hi, I have sometimes edited without logging in. If you're concerned that someone unlogged is editing the Metabasis Paradox draft, it's probably only myself, cdg1072 who created the article. I will go back to making it a habit to always log in.Cdg1072 (talk) 03:07, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

Cdg1072, oh okay. I dream of horses (Contribs) Please notify me after replying off my talk page. Thank you. 03:09, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

A message from Myramcwethy

Hello! You are my editor for the page I am submitting for Mary Naylor. This is my first page submission, and I know I have a lot to learn, so any help is most welcome. I understand that you would like clarification on the copywrights for the pictures I attached to my submission. All of the photos belong to Mary Naylor Kodell, who is my godmother, and who is 92 and doesn't get how to work a computer. The color photo that was a publicity shot for the musical "Scoop," was expressly given to Mary from the producer who said, "Use it for whatever you want. That's what these photos are for!" The photo that was used as the RAF Pinup, was actually not taken by the RAF, but by a private photography studio using her RAF costume that she was then currently wearing in the musical, "Best Bib and Tucker." The other photographs are from her private collection, and she owns the copyright on them all and has given me permission to use them in her Wikipedia article. I will be sending you a copy of that letter in the next day. She, unfortunately, is not computer savvy enough to fill out the official release page, so I am hoping we can work our way around this situation. Mary is a forgotten treasure of the British stage from 1939-1960, and we hope her amazing story of entertaining a nation at war when she was just a child is worthy of your efforts. Many thanks, Myra Williams McWethy myramcwethy@gmail.com Myramcwethy (talk) 22:13, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

@Myramcwethy: Wikimedia Commons and Wikipedia doesn't need permission from the subject of the photograph (in this case, the subject is your godmother), but rather, the person who took the photograph or their legal representative. Basically, a partial copyright waiver is needed to make it legal to adapt or sell the photograph. There's a rather tiny "fair use" loophole for people who can't be photographed readily; in nearly all cases, this is used in the event in the case of someone who is deceased.

If I were you, I'd read over the conflict of interest guidelines (or, at bare minimum, this summary]), and worry about the photographs after the draft is published as an article. I dream of horses (Contribs) Please notify me after replying off my talk page. Thank you. 01:17, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

A message from Myramcwethy

Hi! I dream of Horses!

   Yes, Mary has an old family connection to me, but I am a doctoral candidate at Harvard University, have worked as an editor for the American Institute of Research, and have been a professional writer for forty years.  As you can see in my entry, I cited over thirty places as I would do for a Harvard paper (and I could have added, honestly, 100+ more citations that I researched so the article on Mary was as professional as any professional paper I would write.  I don't think there is a huge conflict of interest, since I am not writing as a fan or to promote someone for monetary purposes, etc.  I just noticed that there is no entry for her, and set about doing one full year of research so that I could write a truthful "dictionary-style" entry.  Though this is my first time writing a Wikipedia entry, I have specialized for years in researching and writing about subjects that I have to approach with a love of the topic, and the critical eye and red pencil of a scholar.  Hopefully this explanation assuages any worries about a unbalanced bias just because my parents knew Mary when I was born.  If you still need this to be one step away from me, I can have someone I know who has no connection to Mary to copy and paste my work, correct any mistakes or overwriting, and monitor the editing process.
  As for the photographs, all the photographers are long since passed away, and during the time these photos were taken, copyright laws in Great Britain were very, very different from U.S. laws.  In any case, Mary either owns the rights to the photos outright, or was given the rights to use the shots for any and all publicity purposes by the photographers in the 1940's and 1950's.  The only photo included in this that was taken post 1960 was taken by Mary's husband at a public event where photography for the press was fully expected.  Both Mr. Morecambe and Mr. Wise knew that Mary's husband was taking the photo, and that Mary would undoubtably share the joy of this photo of the three of them together again thirty years after they were on stage together as the bombs fell in London. Ernie & Eric have passed away many years ago, and their connection to Mary is well documented in my citations.
    Lastly, did you want me to research the gentlemen politician from Bourbonnais?  I went to Bradley-Bourbonnais High School, though I didn't know this man.  If you want me to find citations, I will gladly help, but if not, there are three other Wikipedia articles about variety entertainers that I am researching.

Most sincerely, Myra

Myramcwethy (talk) 19:52, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Myramcwethy, writing a Wikipedia page as a fan is probably the least amount of COI one can have on Wikipedia; any prose issues can be easily cleaned up by someone more experienced, after all. Family members and other personal connections (friends, etc.), along with people writing about themselves, are in a rather large gray area between that and people who are paid to edit Wikipedia.

Unfortunately, all because you pay for a picture to be taken doesn't mean you buy the copyright for it. A more typical arrangement is that the photographer retains the copyright but sells you the photograph, in this case to use for publicity purposes but not for an online encyclopedia. I'll ask around, but I'm still inclined to believe that the photographs haven't been probably released. I dream of horses (Contribs) Please notify me after replying off my talk page. Thank you. 21:37, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

A message from Myramcwethy

File:Mary Naylor Kodell signed photo release for Wikipedia.jpg

Myramcwethy (talk) 19:55, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

A message from Myramcwethy

Hi!

    In addition to all my Harvard Education, I am also a professional actress (you can look me up on IMDB, my website, or "Myra McWethy Vimeo" to see my most famous role on Conan O'Brien's show!).  I know, very, very well, the difference between a photographer holding the rights and the photographer forsaking any rights to a photograph when you pay for a headshot.  Mary says that during the time of all the headshots she had taken in London, none was by any photographer who retained the rights, because that simply wasn't legal in England at the time.  Second, she says that she has contributed  all of these photos in other books, newspapers, and media in the past (especially during the 1940's and 1950's and that there was never any assumption that she did not have the full and unconditional right to use them.  None were taken by a photographer of great history or merit - just men who took headshots and publicity shots for people in the trade for a fixed price.
    I know rules are different now, and whenever I get my headshot taken I make sure I own the rights.  And any publicity photos, I know who to contact for permission for the rights.  But the laws were very different in England during and after the war years, and I have not heard or read other than Mary's contention that she indeed is free to okay the photos to anyone she wishes.
    Let me know if you got her signed okay.
    Let me know if I have to have someone else re-write Mary's page.
    Let me know if watching my first visit on Conan's show made you laugh today!!

Most sincerely, and with great appreciation, Myra Williams McWethy

Myramcwethy (talk) 22:22, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

@Myramcwethy: I got someone else who is more of a Wikimedia Commons regular to promise to comment after he get off work. --I dream of horses (Contribs) Please notify me after replying off my talk page. Thank you. 22:29, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

@Myramcwethy: After thinking this over, I think Mary will need to send an email to WP:OTRS regardless. This is the first time I've heard of a photographer forsaking rights on a regular basis. Needless to say, I'm doubtful, not of Marys' good faith, but of her understanding of copyright law. Thankfully, I've yet to hear of a Wikipedia article being deleted for lack of photographs; that sort of drastic action tends to be done on the basis of lack of sources. Sourcing is what you need to concentrate on. I dream of horses (Contribs) Please notify me after replying off my talk page. Thank you. 03:02, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

It's a sticky situation. UK copyright is a mess, and unfortunately even works that used to be public domain were brought back into copyright with the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988. It's policy on the Commons to have evidence in writing (commons:Commons:Project scope/Evidence). If I'm reading this correctly, unless Mary has written evidence from the original photographers releasing their copyright, then her emailing OTRS wouldn't be fruitful because the question isn't just of Mary releasing her copyrights, but also of whether she has the copyrights in the first place. Note that I don't at all doubt the truthfulness of anyone's claims here; as much as I'd love to give the thumbs up, it's just that Commons has strict rules about requiring hard evidence.

But I might have good news, and that is that I believe the RAF Pin-up, Accordian, and 1942 Scoop photos can be considered public domain *if* the original authors are unknown. Here is our comprehensive guide to UK copyright, and here is a (sort of) convenient flowchart that can help determine the duration of copyright for works. For photographs that have unknown authors and were created prior to June 1957, their copyright expires 70 years after creation, or 70 years after the work was made available to the public if within 70 years after creation. This means that if the authors for the previously mentioned photographs that were created prior to 1957 are unknown, their copyright has expired if they are either (a) unpublished or (b) published before 1950, and we can upload them to the Commons as public domain. If the authors *are* known, then (in most cases) copyright expires 70 years after the author's death. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 08:30, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

A message from Neerono

Hello, I Dream of Horses, I have contested the deletion of the page just created this afternoon, for reasons of notability and objectivity. As a newbie, I welcome your advice. Thanks for your consideration. Neerono (talk) 23:18, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

draft: viusasa

Thankou for reviewing my article. I am a first time eriter so I need all the work I could get. Would loke to help me Alvin kipchumba kosgei (talk) 22:02, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Alvin kipchumba kosgei, you need to use reliable sourcing; that is, not user generated content like social media sites. I dream of horses (Contribs) Please notify me after replying off my talk page. Thank you. 23:55, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

A message from Pablo el ciclista

Hey, Thank you very much. pablo_el_ciclista-who is Pali anyway ^{Please after the beep ...} 23:27, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

A message from Pablo el ciclista

Btw I am also vegan. I did not eat meat aprox 33y ago. (when i was 3-4y old) Nice to meet you. :) pablo_el_ciclista-who is Pali anyway ^{Please after the beep ...} 23:35, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

@Pablo el ciclista: Nice to meet you, too! --I dream of horses (Contribs) Please notify me after replying off my talk page. Thank you. 23:37, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

A message from Priyanka Gupta Sharma

I made mistake because i am new here. i apologize Priyanka Gupta Sharma (talk) 23:47, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Priyanka Gupta Sharma, understandable! --I dream of horses (Contribs) Please notify me after replying off my talk page. Thank you. 00:06, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

A message from Lethalninja

Why was my article about Gregory Michael Stanley nominated for deletion? Lethalninja (talk) 00:12, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Lethalninja, have you read over WP:BLP1E and WP:NOTNEWS? --I dream of horses (Contribs) Please notify me after replying off my talk page. Thank you. 00:23, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

I have read them now. Gregory Stanley is technically famous, since he was mentioned in multiple articles as Jim Parsons's friend and there's a picture of them together online. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lethalninja (talk • contribs) 00:36, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Lethalninja, that doesn't overcome the BLP1E issue, unfortunately. I dream of horses (Contribs) Please notify me after replying off my talk page. Thank you. 00:45, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

I'd also argue WP:INHERITED applies here. Just bc he's Jim Parsons's friend doesn't make him notable. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 01:11, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

A message from Ged Ladd

Thanks for your kind message. I am not really new to this - I just occasionally edit when I spot an error or omission that is within my sphere of expertise/knowledge. It is an extraordinary community here at Wikipedia; awe-inspiring in fact. Thanks again. Ged Ladd (talk) 11:22, 29 August 2020 (UTC)Ged La

A message from 1080pZenDesk

Hi I dream of horses - have added independent, reliable sourcing to the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:CJ_Mirra page for your review.

Thanks 10ZD 1080pZenDesk (talk) 08:18, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

1080pZenDesk (talk) 08:18, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

1080pZenDesk, I'm sure someone else will review it eventually. I dream of horses (Contribs) Please notify me after replying off my talk page. Thank you. 14:01, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Twinkel

I had a question about using Twinkel and using this tool to request the option I should have in my settings. Thanks. Tell me the full name of the tick removal option.Because I am editing with the tablet, I did not find the option. Thank you. Tell me the full name of the option. AppoWeb (talk) 01:38, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

AppoWeb, I'm not sure if Twinkle is available for mobile. I dream of horses (Contribs) Please notify me after replying off my talk page. Thank you. 14:00, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

I activated My friend is available for tablet and I use it now.🆔 APO ^Discuss✍ 14:37, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

AppoWeb, is "my friend" a gadget I'm unaware of? I dream of horses (Contribs) Please notify me after replying off my talk page. Thank you. 14:40, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

I called you my friend because I do not know your name The Twinkle tool with the same name was in my settings and I activated it.🆔 APO ^Discuss✍ 14:44, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

AppoWeb Oh, okay. I dream of horses (Contribs) Please notify me after replying off my talk page. Thank you. 14:49, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

I thank you too🆔 APO ^Discuss✍ 14:51, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Question from Tuthman68

I am trying to add to Carl Haglund's biography. He is the founder of the Carl Haglund Foundation. It is certified with the Washington State Sec of State's office and the IRS. There is a Certificate of Incorporation.

I listed the website. You took it down.

I posted verified media story as a citation. You took it down.

What DOES qualify if you won't take the actual website or a legitimate media source??!!

https://www.carlhaglundfoundation.com/

https://kgmi.com/podcasts/seattles-cancel-culture/

https://www.facebook.com/carl.haglund.9 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Truthman68 (talk • contribs) 01:01, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

@Truthman68: I'll go ahead and ping HickoryOughtShirt?4 and Schazjmd since they both left you messages on your talk page as well.

So there's a podcast briefly mentioning Haglunds' affiliation with his namesake organization, a facebook page, and the website of the organization itself, and you've decided to highlight the organization in the lead. Why? I dream of horses (Contribs) Please notify me after replying off my talk page. Thank you. 01:07, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Is there someplace else I should put it? Please advise. I didn't think it was "History" but more "Biography". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Truthman68 (talk • contribs) 01:41, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

It belongs in History at the end (chronologically), we can use https://ccfs.sos.wa.gov/#/BusinessSearch/BusinessInformation as a ref as well, so it's not just a claim sourced to Haglund himself. It isn't significant enough for the lead yet; he only just formed it 3 months ago and I've been unable to find any coverage of the foundation at all outside of his own press releases. My revert was because Truthman68 also removed negative content (which summarizes basically the entire article) from the lead in their edit. Schazjmd (talk) 13:40, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

​ I've added the information to History. Schazjmd (talk) 16:42, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

Moved barnstar here.

@Curbon7: It was the right thing to do. --I dream of horses (Contribs) Please notify me after replying off my talk page. Thank you. 22:59, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

List of Sex Symbols

The user who created this recreated it after you moved it to draft. And now an IP has already shown up to start working on the article space version. This was deleted from article space just two months ago at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of sex symbols (4th nomination). Meters (talk) 22:47, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

I don't have file mover permission so I can't do anything other than relist it and that seems way too much trouble. Meters (talk) 22:49, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Meters, I went ahead and tag it for speedy deletion. I dream of horses (Contribs) Please notify me after replying off my talk page. Thank you. 22:52, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Wasn't sure we could use G4 when it was a complete reboot. Meters (talk) 22:53, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Meters, the thing with tagging an article for CSD is that it allows an admin to double-check it. I dream of horses (Contribs) Please notify me after replying off my talk page. Thank you. 23:00, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

AIV removal

I totally agree with most of what you're saying with your edit summary of this edit; but in this case I think you might have found your own counter-example. There are actually five filter log entries that are hidden from public view, as the IP in question triggered several hidden filters that are viewable only to edit-filter users and admins. Suffusion of Yellow, while not an admin, does have the edit-filter manager right that allows them to view them, so in my view that was a very appropriate AIV report. ~ mazca ^talk 23:35, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Another section was opened above while I was typing this, but the same applies. I get your motivation here, but hopefully this makes sense. ~ mazca ^talk 23:36, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Mazca, right. I dream of horses (Contribs) Please notify me after replying off my talk page. Thank you. 23:39, 30 August 2020 (UTC

Removing my report from AIV

Not going to edit war with you, but please restore my report. You can't see their private filter log, but I can, and so can all admins. Private filter log hits are not too complex for AIV in general; indeed we have a bot whose sole purpose it report users based on filter hits, some of them private. We also have a bot which removes reports after 4-6 hours, if you think reports should be removed after one hour instead, I suggest bringing it up at WT:AIV. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 23:27, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Suffusion of Yellow, why not block the IP yourself, then? I dream of horses (Contribs) Please notify me after replying off my talk page. Thank you. 23:30, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

I'm not an admin. Edit filter managers and edit filter helpers can also see private hits. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 23:33, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Suffusion of Yellow, excuse me, then. You can re-add the IP if you wish. Just don't revert me totally. I think I may have run into a rare exception. I dream of horses (Contribs) Please notify me after replying off my talk page. Thank you. 23:36, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Well, it's a Verizon IPv6, so by now we're probably at the point of either blocking the /44 (with collateral), or no block. I'll skip it. But for future reference, when I say "image vandalism", I mean porn.

I still disagree with removing hour-old reports, and now that multiple users (myself and Sro23) have objected to the practice, I think it should be brought up at WT:AIV if you plan to continue. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 23:55, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Already blocked the specific IP, per the section below here. I'd broadly agree that removing stale reports that aggressively is not particularly helpful at this point - if AIV is getting badly backlogged, it's still preferable for the stale reports to be removed by someone with the technical ability to block them if something's been missed. There's a bot that does it after 4 hours, and sometimes there's just a general shortage of admins so there might be a delay. ~ mazca ^talk 23:59, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Mazca, generally, a shortage of admins will result in reports getting rejected because of their staleness, anyway. Four hours is, IMO, a long time to wait. I dream of horses (Contribs) Please notify me after replying off my talk page. Thank you. 00:44, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

A message from Myramcwethy

Hi!

   In the photo of "A Merchant Seaman Comes to Town..."  Mary Naylor is the girl dancing in the dead center of the photo.  We have a side view of her, with her right hand holding the merchant seaman with the tie right in the middle.  We see half her face, and is the only "Named" person in the photo.  For her to show up and dance with the guys was a huge deal at the time since we was the breakout star in a West End London show getting huge press, then on to her first movie role.
    I have been working hard to cite everything in my submission for Mrs. Naylor-Kodell.  There are only a few places where I don't quite know how to put in verification.  

1st Case in point: I have newspaper proof of every single week that the Youth Takes A Bow tour played all over Great Britain. Do you want me to list each week and the corresponding newspaper(s) to verify my claim of how many weeks the troupe worked and where in 1939, 1940, 1941, and 1942? 2nd Case in point: All troupes were told to carry on performing during bombings if the air raid horns did not go off before the bombs dropped. The children in the YTAB cast were not exempt from this rule. I can't find anything stating that all shows played on during bombings at this point, but it is generally well known in the London theatre community. Can I leave this point in the narrative, or do I have to first find proof through some source?

    I am going to re-format the "Selected Shows" section of her Wikipedia entry, and then I believe the complete text will be done.
    I will work with Mary next week on the photos.  An extra note: I have examined all of the photos I submitted (except the sheet music) and there are NO copyright stamps, nor is the photo studio stamped on the front or back of the photo.  In my experience with head shots and shots from shows, unless the copyright is printed on the photo, the arrangement between the photographer and the subject is that with payment for the photo, the copyright belongs to the artist, not the photographer.  Since she doesn't remember who shot what photo, and the 70 years since the pictures were taken, she assumes the photographers are dead, because she does remember that they were all older men.  Since she is 94 and a half, the chance of her finding any of these photographers alive is nil.  So we will approach that division of this process with anything we can to get the photos onboard.

Thank you for all your help. Sincerely, Myramcwethy (talk) 23:24, 30 August 2020 (UTC)Myra McWethy

Myramcwethy (talk) 23:24, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Myramcwethy, we assume full copyright here unless proven otherwise. This prevents lawsuits. The photographers could very well have an estate that is being managed by an heir. They might be okay with Wikipedia using the photographs, but not okay with our free culture license policy, which would allow things like selling the photographs for commercial purposes, altering it, etc..

Concentrate on the text of the article instead of the photographs. I dream of horses (Contribs) Please notify me after replying off my talk page. Thank you. 23:35, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

A message from Myramcwethy

I will concentrate on the text. My problem is that I don't know what is wrong with my text. I don't know what an AIU is, and where I have used it wrong in my piece. I thought I was citing and writing everything correct, but apparently, I am having a huge problem. How do I find out what I am doing wrong, the specific places I am writing/citing wrong, and how to fix the problems? This is my first full Wikipedia piece (I've done small edits before), so I am trying to learn and not make you frustrated. Many thanks for your patience, Myramcwethy (talk) 23:45, 30 August 2020 (UTC)Myra McWethy

Myramcwethy (talk) 23:45, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

@Myramcwethy: I'm not quite sure what you're talking about. I see there are some formatting issues with your draft, but you've seemed to have formatted the citations all right. Has anyone else talked to you about that kind of issue? --I dream of horses (Contribs) Please notify me after replying off my talk page. Thank you. 00:50, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

"Stale" AIV reports

By all means, keep removing declined AIV reports, it helps with clutter. But the stale ones? I think your definition of "stale" and my definition of "stale" differ. These reports had only been up for an hour, this one for 45 minutes, and this one for only half an hour! You need to allow admins more time to react to reports, because not all vandals are red hot and now, some will continue to vandalize over an extended period of time until blocked (like with that last report you removed for being stale, the IP vandalized for a longer period of time, with the most recent instance being only two minutes earlier). Also, some reports are more complex and by nature take longer to process. Unless AIV is super extremely backlogged, I wouldn't worry about removing stale reports at all. In fact, there's a bot for that very task! Thanks again for your hard work, but please give admins at the very least a couple of hours to respond. Sro23 (talk) 23:22, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Sro23, admins aren't that unique among Wikipedians, beyond having a few extra buttons. That's the bias I have.

Complex reports aren't suitable for AIV; they really need to be reported on another noticeboard. Vandals continuing to vandalize can be re-reported. There's no consensus on whether or not to remove reports before the bot does. I dream of horses (Contribs) Please notify me after replying off my talk page. Thank you. 23:28, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

That's true, but the title of the page is Administrator intervention against vandalism, because ultimately, while I greatly respect and appreciate your long experience with vandal fighting, admins are the ones who will be blocking or declining to block the reported users. And sometimes, for what could be several reasons, these admins need more time. If we look at this from a cost-benefit view, what would be the benefits of removing a report after 30 min-1 hour? It helps with clutter and reduces the backlog/frees up space for newer reports. Okay, that's fine and good, but what are the costs? Vandals continue to vandalize the project, and aren't always re-reported (let's say the only person keeping an eye on the vandal was the reporter themselves, and they go AFK after making the report or otherwise don't know their report was removed and think it's still there). I came here concerned because a vandal that should have been blocked, wasn't, because you removed the report. It looks like I'm not the only one who thinks a report you removed as stale was still valid and actionable. I just think there's no harm in letting the bot do its thing. Sro23 (talk) 00:24, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Sro23, admins are only editors with extra buttons. I'm not going to change my behavior if one of the main reasons you object is the fact I'm not an admin. The situation you're referring to was the first time I've run into an exception for this issue. Yes, the benefits include less clutter, reducing the backlog, and freeing up space for newer reports, which has more weight than the quite doubtful scenario that the reporter being the only person to note that the reportee is being blalantly vandalistic in a half-hour. If the vandalism isn't blatant enough to be obvious to more than one person in a half hour to an hour, particularly during daytime hours in the western hemisphere, AIV is not the appropriate spot to report it. I dream of horses (Contribs) Please notify me after replying off my talk page. Thank you. 00:42, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

...quite doubtful scenario that the reporter being the only person to note that the reportee is being blalantly vandalistic in a half-hour: I don't understand this. Once one report has been made, no one else is likely to report anything. For all anyone knows, ten users have noticed the vandalism, said "oh it's already reported; someone will deal with it" and done nothing. In fact Twinkle won't even let you report an users who's already on the board. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 00:55, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Suffusion of Yellow, if the report has been removed, I've seen people re-report; I've also seen people make a duplicate report manually when AIV is backlogged enough, which is why AIV helperbot will merge duplicate reports. I dream of horses (Contribs) Please notify me after replying off my talk page. Thank you. 00:57, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

I don't think people should be forced to make "me too" reports every half hour, to prevent their removal by you. That would likely clutter the board, and would completely change the functioning of what is currently a well-oiled machine. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 01:02, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Suffusion of Yellow, I doubt many "me too" reports would happen. I do this in part because most vandals get bored after a few hours at the most extreme. Shared IPs are an exception, but they represent multiple people. I dream of horses (Contribs) Please notify me after replying off my talk page. Thank you. 01:55, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Really? I mean...you really don't think you're stepping on anyone's toes here? WP:RFPP also has quite a backlog, so I'm curious as to why I never see you removing stale reports from there. Anyway, I figure it would be best if we get more opinions on this, so I've started a discussion about this issue here. Sro23 (talk) 01:13, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Sro23, I'm only stepping on a small minority of toes by doing this; a representation of that small minority has showed up on my talk page. I dream of horses (Contribs) Please notify me after replying off my talk page. Thank you. 01:56, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

The Helpful Editor Award

Moved barnstar to here

Waves back at TimothyBlue --I dream of horses (Contribs) Please notify me after replying off my talk page. Thank you. 03:16, 31 August 2020 (UTC)