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Alex Shih^Talk 00:03, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Capitalization

Only capitalize the first genre in an album infobox unless it is a proper noun. So if the sourced genres were "Jazz, acoustic, folk", that is the correct way. The others do not get capitalized. Thanks --Jennica✿ / ^talk 01:54, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

18:34:09, 14 March 2016 review of submission by Miankashifzameer

• Miankashifzameer (talk · contribs)
  • User:Miankashifzameer/sandbox (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

why my post is declined i provide reliable ref like facebook and google+ etc

17:51:31, 15 March 2016 review of submission by Vadam24

• Vadam24 (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Isima Odeh (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

What exactly is wrong with the article, the sources are reliable and top quality, maybe you haven't just heard of them.

20:00:42, 24 October 2016 review of submission by DavidCM70

• DavidCM70 (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Robert Hardgrave (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi - I understand that some of the sources are new media sources and may not be considered reliable. Are the magazines and references from the .edu sites considered reliable? Are these the sorts of sources I should look for to support the other content? Thank you for your assistance.

CLOSE_WAIT

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia.

Really? I made a test because I don't know how Wikipedia works? Do you have any other explanation as of why the CLOSE_WAIT page should be deleted? --Petar Petrov (talk) 10:58, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Petar Petrov did I miss something... I don't understand what the page is meant to be. Could you enlighten me? — InsertCleverPhraseHere ^{(or here)} 11:28, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Yes, I could. Simply follow the redirect and #SEE Transmission_Control_Protocol#Protocol_operation. The redirect was put in place to answer exactly that question. --Petar Petrov (talk) 12:20, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Insertcleverphrasehere, your enthusiasm for helping clean up Wikipedia is commendable. Only in subjects you don't master and cannot inform yourself, you could probably assume good faith, and maybe check if the other editors have 10+ years of Wikipedia experience. --5ko (talk)

I am still a bit confused, but I assume from your comments that the page was meant to be a redirect? If so why did it not use the standard #REDIRECT format? I am completely unfamiliar with the #SEE format that was used here and it seemed malformed, which is why I tagged it as a test page. In any case I apologize for any confusion that the matter has caused, and it is a simple matter to fix. I'll create a redirect at the page in question to the link above. — InsertCleverPhraseHere ^{(or here)} 13:09, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. It appears on this wiki #SEE is apparently not (or no longer) enabled as a synonym of #REDIRECT, so when it didn't work, it made you believe it was a mistake. I am also sorry if we startled you. Have a great day! --5ko (talk) 13:35, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Ok, I see now. Yes, I attempted to make a redirect. Yes, #REDIRECT is the correct magic word. I already asked the admin to undelete the page. Still, the judgement this was an experimental edit, the SD, and the consequential welcome-test message could have been avoided if you checked some other of my edits. For example I also made CLOSE-WAIT with exactly the same content but it was fixed instead of deleted. All the best. --Petar Petrov (talk) 18:03, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Rosamund Vallings

We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. In my opinion the article is about as blatantly promotional as it could be. Of course the subject is notable but that does not entitle someone to create an article specifically designed to publicise her skills. Deb (talk) 13:08, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Again, is the sandbox version I am looking at the same as the one you are looking at? What I am seeing is a few issues with the sourcing (i.e. ref to her own web site is inappropriate), and maybe 20% of the language is overly promotional and should be trimmed/replaced. But there is also a lot of really good text there. These are issues that can be dealt with by tagging and improving. per WP:G11: "If a subject is notable and the content could plausibly be replaced with text that complies with neutral point of view, this is preferable to deletion."

I'll have a chat with Melwel and get her to fix these issues and republish. — InsertCleverPhraseHere ^{(or here)} 18:18, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Treaty of Waitangi

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Treaty of Waitangi you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Te Karere -- Te Karere (talk) 23:40, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Request on 12:52:04, 19 August 2017 for assistance on AfC submission by Obriens86

• Obriens86 (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:First Day Covers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi there, I can see you declined my submission and yet again I'm being told to edit the first day of issue article. This article refers to first day of issue in America. However, I was penalised for talking about British First Day Covers. I believe First Day of issue should redirect to first day of issue only and first day covers have its own separate article, because First Day of issue is a sub category with this topic. I don't want to rewrite the article as this belongs to someone else. First day covers began over 150 years ago and my article goes from the very beginning right up to 2017. Can I really add all my content to the first day of issue article??

Obriens86 (talk) 12:52, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

@Obriens86. I don't see any issue with expanding the First day of issue article with information and sources from your draft. If anything, that article's focus on America is a failing of that article, and adding information about the UK will expand its scope in a positive way. Note that no user 'owns' a wikipedia article WP:OWNER, all are free to edit by anyone providing that they base their edits on reliable sources. — InsertCleverPhraseHere ^{(or here)} 13:02, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

@InsertCleverPhraseHere. That's great to know, I was terrified of treading on anyone's toes! Thank you

Obriens86 (talk) 13:14, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Treaty of Waitangi

The article Treaty of Waitangi you nominated as a good article has failed ; see Talk:Treaty of Waitangi for reasons why the nomination failed. If or when these points have been taken care of, you may apply for a new nomination of the article. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Te Karere -- Te Karere (talk) 10:02, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

COI - of a different kind

Hi Insertcleverphrasehere. Because it involves New Page and AfC reviewers along with other maintenance workers (SPI, COIN), an informal chat has begun on some aspects of paid editing. See Conflict of Interest - of a different kind. Please add your thoughts there. It is not a debate or RfC.
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Male privilege

Greetings. I've undone your recent edit – this was already discussed on the talk page. Also, it's bad for readability to duplicate so many existing citations and have redundant sections ("Cultural responses" and "Criticism"). Feel free to re-add the text, but please leave a note on the talk page first. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 11:30, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

Sangdeboeuf your change to the article originally, cutting half of the material in the 'criticism' section and burying the rest in the 'cultural responses section in a different random paragraph is not an improvement. The lede is obviously worse the way it is now. The controversy about the appropriateness of the term 'male privilege' is, outside of academic spheres, the most notable part of this topic. But our article has been butchered so many times that it now doesn't even mention this in the lede at all any more, and the only mention is buried in a random paragraph that isn't really related to direct criticism of the topic at all. — InsertCleverPhraseHere ^{(or here)} 12:03, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

To speak of "butchering" an article is simply gratuituous and not in keeping with a spirit of collaboration. The fact that anyone can edit, add, remove, or rearrange content is a basic principle of Wikipedia. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 14:07, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

"Butchering" as in 'excessively cut', apologies if my language is a bit too flowery, no offence meant. — InsertCleverPhraseHere ^{(or here)} 18:03, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

New Page Reviewer Newsletter

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• The new page backlog is currently at 16,991 pages. We have worked hard to decrease from over 22,000, but more hard work is needed! Please consider reviewing even just a few pages a a day.

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Antifa/JTA citation.

I had included the JTA citation to the caption of the original (German!) Antifascist Action flag, after it had been flagged by a bot, but due the Byzantine ways of Wikipedia I couldn't figure out how to place it appropriately. kencf0618 (talk) 00:25, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

I've re-added it to the caption, not sure about bot flagging, but I guess we shall wait and see what happens. — InsertCleverPhraseHere ^{(or here)} 00:32, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! The bot thing was automatic, bots being bots. kencf0618 (talk) 01:15, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

Stub sorting

Please don't use the {{Stub}} tag if you can find a more specific stub tag; stub sort when you can. To do otherwise will backlog Category:Stubs. Thank you. -- I dream of horses  If you reply here, please ping me by adding {{U|I dream of horses}} to your message  (talk to me) (My edits) @ 08:28, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

No offence meant here, but I work in New Page Patrol, not in stub sorting. The page curation toolbar doesn't give me any other option than to just sort it as a generic 'stub'. If you want me to do more than that, its not really going to happen. — InsertCleverPhraseHere ^{(or here)} 08:34, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

The fact that the page curation bar has the generic stub template is not a proper explanation for not stub sorting. All that twinkle and the page twinkle bar does for you is patrol the page automatically a split second after tagging. You are, in fact, able to tag articles with tags not included in the page curation bar manually and then simply review it afterwards yourself, which is what new page patrollers used to do before the creation of either twinkle or the page curation bar. Doing so will slow you down, but you're supposed to prioritize quality over speed in patrolling anything on Wikipedia, anyways. -- I dream of horses  If you reply here, please ping me by adding {{U|I dream of horses}} to your message  (talk to me) (My edits) @ 07:54, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

(By the way, I really do need to be pinged when you reply, as I don't maintain a watchlist. Thank you.) -- I dream of horses  If you reply here, please ping me by adding {{U|I dream of horses}} to your message  (talk to me) (My edits) @ 07:54, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

@I dream of horses Sorry for not pinging you before. I've installed the User:Ais523/stubtagtab2.js script and I'll give it a go, but honestly it looks like a pretty annoying massive list that I'll have to memorise If I want to use it. Honestly I am perfectly happy leaving that as a job for Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting (their backlog is minuscule compared to ours). Clicking the stub button on the page curation toolbar to let them know that it needs sorting seems fine to me, and it is a bit unreasonable to expect new page patrol to do everything, especially when there is a dedicated wikiproject for exactly that. I realise that the NPP checklist says to "try to avoid" the generic sub template, but it also says not to waste time finding the perfect template. In other words; I have more important things to do with my editing time and am perfectly content handing this small job onwards to others that know what they are doing better anyway. — InsertCleverPhraseHere ^{(or here)} 10:49, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

@Insertcleverphrasehere: Being a NPPer myself (since around the time twinkle was less known about), I realize that it's often difficult to do. However, as a stub sorter, I can assure you that there are very few, if any other people other than myself going through Category:Stubs and sorting it. Unfortunately, Wikiproject Stub Sorting, while having a lot of useful information (hence the link to them in my original message) doesn't appear to be terribly active, at least beyond stub type/template creation. There certainly isn't a newsletter that I know of.

Looking at any appropriate categories for the page may help; even if you can't find a stub sub-category in the category you're in, you'll often find one in a category connected to the category you're in (you might have to read that a few times. I'm so sorry). You can also use a top-level stub template (such as {{film-stub}} and {{art-stub}}), click on "preview", and right-click-to-open-a-new-tab on the stub category to find one that's more specific and appropriate. In other words, there are alternatives to memorization. After a while, you'll start to memorize the pattern stub templates tend to be in, anyways.

Sometimes, you'll find that there is no "perfect" stub template, and you have to put an article in a stub category that's overpopulated, or a top-level stub category. That's probably why the NPP checklist says what it says. I wouldn't imagine anyone telling you to "not waste time" on an article just for the sake of getting to the next one a little more quickly.  I dream of horses  If you reply here, please ping me by adding {{U|I dream of horses}} to your message  (talk to me) (My edits) @ 11:42, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

I dream of horses Fair enough, I thought more people were involved over there, there is a list of like 200 participants, but I guess most/all are inactive. I'll do my best to sort the stubs I review. — InsertCleverPhraseHere ^{(or here)} 20:56, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

Can I get to know you more?

Can you have me? --Zoë2000 (talk) 22:21, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

Not sure what you mean, but if you need help with anything specific, feel free to let me know. — InsertCleverPhraseHere ^{(or here)} 23:00, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

Greetings

Hello, Yes I can find all the three sources in a published-book form. You think it is necessary? Wikis are more direct.....Let me know----損齋 (talk) 03:04, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

Wikis are editable, and so can change. As a result they are not considered appropriate as reliable sources. I recommend sourcing the books directly. — InsertCleverPhraseHere ^{(or here)} 03:05, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

Done. Please remove the tag if possible. Thanks for reviewing.----損齋 (talk) 03:12, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

 Done Though please note that if you have resolved the issue, you are free to remove tags, even from articles you have created yourself. Cheers and good work. — InsertCleverPhraseHere ^{(or here)} 03:16, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

Please check for copyvio

Hi Insertcleverphrasehere and thanks for your work reviewing new articles. Please don't forget to check for copyright violations. The particular one I saw was Attack on Titan: Smoke Signal of Fight Back, which had a plot description copied from http://tammovie.com/attack-on-titan-smoke-signal-of-fight-back. Thank you, — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 14:05, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

Missed that one, sorry. The copy vio detector was down at the time and I was doing it manually, copying sections into google, but I must have forgotten to do that one (I was probably distracted by the subject matter, as I am currently watching the anime series of the same name). — InsertCleverPhraseHere ^{(or here)} 18:26, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

Gaspard Nicolas Perrier

Saw that you put a BLP prod on Gaspard Nicolas Perrier-it was actually previously deleted per afd, just wanted to point that out! Wgolf (talk) 20:59, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

Good point! I'll try to remember to check the deletion log before prodding in future. Also, great work on reducing the backlog of late, I've seen you recently on the Top New Page Reviewers list, and the recent reduction in the backlog is mostly down to your hard work. Thanks! — InsertCleverPhraseHere ^{(or here)} 22:06, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

Verve International

Hello InsertCleverPhraseHere, Thanks for showing interests in the article Verve International I created hours ago, which has been speedily deleted without giving me the opportunity to defend it. Let me quickly give a background of me: I am a journalist with interests in financial technology and payment industry, especially as related to Nigeria. In the course of researching for my work, I realised there is a dearth of Wikipedia contents about Nigerian payment industry. This discovery lately has spurred me to try as much as possible to get Nigerian contents published on Wikipedia. Like you know, painstaking researches and studies go into Wikipedia writing. This I have done without any prompting from anyone to write the 'Verve International' which has just been deleted. The suggestion that the page was promotional and advertising appears to me unfounded. Is Verve notable? Yes, and eminently so! Further research, as provided in the references, will confirm this. I studied several Wikipedia pages of businesses in payment industry all around the world (e.g. Discover Financial (US), China UnionPay with sections which do not cite sources, JCB Co., Ltd. of Japan, RuPay of India, I will appreciate you showing me the specifics that made 'Verve International' violate Wikipedia guidelines in related to these mentioned pages. There is nowhere in that article I laid claims to things with no citations or references. Thank you as I look forward to your restoring the page, at least for improvement. RovingFingers (talk) 04:03, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

(talk page stalker). RovingFingers, User:Insertcleverphrasehere was the patroller. The actual deletion was done on further review by administrator Athaenara whom you should contact. I have reviewed the deleted article and it is just possible that it might meet our notability criteria. Verve is a large organisation and is probably unlkely to benfit promotionally from being in Wikipedia. However, as you most probably wrote the article on behalf of Verve, you have a Conflict of Interest and should have declared your associateion with the organisation. I'll let Athaenara respond on your talk page. Any decision to undelete will rest with them. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:02, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

Kudpung thanks for your comments. I have no association whatsoever with Verve; neither was I contacted by it or its representative(s). The only thing I guess I did that likely seemed promotional was sharing the link with a Whatsapp group (of Financial Technology reporters) I belong to. This I did with an intent to let the group know the page was up should there be need to give background to future stories about Verve. The fact is we are grossly challenged with web-based facts about businesses and issues in Nigeria; and several of us who have taken it upon ourselves to provide such contents when time and resources avail us the opportunity to do so need be encouraged. Athaenara, kindly revisit and review. I have no conflict of interest, nor intended to promote or advertise the page as thought. Thank you.RovingFingers (talk) 05:37, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

ACTRIAL

Are you actually for or against this trial? Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:34, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

For it. I am a little worried that there will be a massive flood over at AfC, and am concerned a bit because AfC typically has higher standards for articles to be created than we do at NPP for articles to be nominated for deletion, which might result in some Newbies being discouraged (but others will improve, so it might be a net positive). Reform at AfC is an important issue that we should be considering more heavily, because ACTRIAL is making AfC from an optional process into a mandatory one for newbies. All in all though, I think it is going to help stem the flood of garbage at NPP at least a bit, and I think it will definitely be a net positive for the wiki, if not necessarily a net positive for new user experience. I support the initiative and hope to be involved in helping reform AfC if deemed necessary by community consensus. — InsertCleverPhraseHere ^{(or here)} 23:46, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for such a quick teply. If you are for it, then you would not be supporting the Foundations 11th hour tactics for delaying it. There might be a slight increase in the flow of articles to AfC, but a massive flood is most unlikely. ACTRIAL is not making AfC from an optional process into a mandatory one for newbies. It still remains an option, perhaps even more so, than it was before. Theirchoiceis: Wait 4 days and 10 edits to be able to create an article in mainspace, or if they can't wait, go through the Wizard and AfC. The Wzard alone presents them with further challenges , so many will give up before they even get to AfC, and that's exactly what we want. That said, as AfC is not an officially recognised feature of the English Wikipedia (some people mistakenly think it is), strictly speaking, what happens there is not our concern. On the brighter side however, as some of us are discussing reforms to AfC it might be exactly what will help the changes along. If you support ACTRIAL, you may wish to reconsider before supporting the the WMF's last minute interference. However, please do whatever you think best. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:02, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

I hear ya. I haven't got the history that the rest of ya'll have with WMF and delaying, as I wasn't around during the first run of this, but I do think that the severity of the bug that was brought up over on the talk page warrants a delay. In any case, I'm not seeing a massive urgency, we have been working hard on New Page review and have managed to reduce the backlog by over 2000 in the last few days. While it would be nice to get rid of all the non-autoconfirmed submissions, and I see plenty of 1st edit submissions every day, I don't feel that it is so urgent that a week will kill us or sink the chance that it will start at all (I think that the roll-out of ACTRIAL in the near future is inevitable at this point). — InsertCleverPhraseHere ^{(or here)} 00:10, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

Bug? There is no bug. We can roll this out ourselves using a local script which is what we intended to do over two months ago. The only reason the WMF is involved is because in deference to their proposal to provide some additional statistics, we agreed to wait for them. They never liked ACTRIAL from the start, but it's not within their remit to prevent it. Now they are attempting to dictate the entire project. Beware of WMF staff who post without the '(WMF)' in their signature. I've met all these people. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:23, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

Fair enough, see my addendum to my comment over on the talk page. — InsertCleverPhraseHere ^{(or here)} 00:31, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

BTW, there seems to be an increased effort to reduce the backlog in the last few days, but I fear to a detriment to the quality of reviewing. Have you noticed the distinct rise in the incorrect use of deletion criteria? Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:48, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

I've noticed a few (an A7 for a book today), but the recent reduction is mostly down to Wgolf and Boleyn stepping up their review counts (and a bit from me), and I haven't noticed anything sketchy from them. I did notice that Wgolf was mostly reviewing 'easy' ones a few days ago, but he/she also told me off for missing something (see above^^). Overall, I think that the quality of reviewing hasn't significantly dropped, because it is mostly experienced reviewers that have been doing the extra work. — InsertCleverPhraseHere ^{(or here)} 00:56, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

Unfortunately, what you may not have realised is that absolutely anyone, even a raw newbie can place deletion templates on new pages. That part of the operation is not restricted to accredited reviwers. I've spent about three hours a day on NPP over the last week or two (not that you'll notice because I mainly look at what's going on rather than patrol the pages myself) and I've reprimanded half a dozen of them again. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:34, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

BTW, the 'bug' you mentioned appears to legit (you never know), but I'm more than convinced that it's a trump card the WMF has kept up its sleeve for the last minute. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:36, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

I am aware of that, and am grateful for the work you put in reviewing the reviewers. All I meant is that I don't think that the recent reduction is due to a higher-than-background-level of bad reviews. — InsertCleverPhraseHere ^{(or here)} 01:46, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

NPP Flowchart

• On a side note, I am working on a flowchart to help new NPPatrollers work out a process to fully review any article without getting lost or having that "not sure what to do here so I'll leave it to somebody else" issue that plagues the backlog. — InsertCleverPhraseHere ^{(or here)} 00:31, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

That sounds like an excellent idea. Perhaps it could even replace the hurried flow chart I made for WP:NPP. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:38, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

• Well I finished my (very) rough draft of a NPP flowchart. If you can read my writing, let me know what you think so far. Ideally I'd like to create an interactive chart with links to various information pages, perhaps you could suggest some methods you might know of? — InsertCleverPhraseHere ^{(or here)} 02:10, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

I'll look at it right now while I'm having my breakfast. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:40, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

What computer platform do you usually use? There are some free programs for quickly making flow charts. I'm happy to help you with it, but it will be your project. Shows a lot of initiative. Not many people are prepared to do this kind of thing these days. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:59, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

Check your email. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:29, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Windows. I can always put it together in Inkscape, but If I'm not making it interactive, a program such as [1] would probably be the easiest (I will probably use a program like this one to make a second draft, as it looks the easiest to modify/experiment in. That being said, ideally I would like it to be interactive using the mediawiki software to be able to insert links directly into the flowchart. I could do a crude version using a table and invisible cells to draw the arrows into, this is probably the method I will choose unless there is another, better, method that you recommend. Is there a way to add links to certain areas of an image on the wiki, so that you can click on certain areas of the image and they will link you to other articles? (I swear I have seen something like this somewhere, but can't remember where). — InsertCleverPhraseHere ^{(or here)} 04:10, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

Check you email first. Before you start considering making clickable areas or links in a graphic, you need to be happy with what it will look like. Getting a complex flowchart like this just right is not easy even if you think the flow is easy for you to comprehend. I've made many flow charts and this is a first mistake I often used to make; it's the same mistake sotware creators very frequently make, they look at what they have made from the mind of the programmer rather than the end user who just wants an easy tool to use. Not only for software, but also for machines and other technical equipoment. I've had a lifetime of being paid to rewrite (and translate) technical user manuals into simple language. I was once given a set of instructions for German farm machinery to translate into English, during the translation I discovered that if users had followed the instructions, they would have risked getting their fingers chopped off. Farm workers are not noted for an intellectual level of language.Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:33, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

I finished the first digital draft of the flowchart (at right). let me know what you think, and any suggested changes you would make. — InsertCleverPhraseHere ^{(or here)} 07:35, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

I've edited it quite a bit, as you might see if you look at the edit history of that image. It is pretty complicated, but then, so is NPP. I've been testing it by going through the flowchart when reviewing new articles to check for inconsistencies. When you are reviewing new articles, if you would use it as well and report back your findings that would be very helpful. My hope is that eventually this flowchart will allow reviewers without extensive experience to review any article, even the 'difficult ones' that tend to clog the backlog. I might also post it to one of the talk pages over at new page patrol so that some others can have a crack at it. — InsertCleverPhraseHere ^{(or here)} 10:29, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

The Time (Xu Weizhou album) (refimprove)

Hi! I just want to ask what's wrong with the article? I've provided reliable sources and since it's a newly released album, I put citations as many as I can find. The remaining quarters of the album will be released soon and the citations will surely increase. Can you consider it? If not, please give me an advice what exactly to improve. Thank you. --Shanella12345 (talk) 18:12, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

Most of the sources seem to be just trivial mentions, i.e. articles about the artist with a mention of the album. It would be good to see some reviews of the album or something similarly in-depth used as sources for the first sentence. Some of the sources don't seem to mention the album at all, though I admit I am relying on google translate, so I may be wrong. — InsertCleverPhraseHere ^{(or here)} 11:53, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

Insertcleverphrasehere I've just changed 2 URLs and added one. Please check it again. I believe, for now, that's enough and I assure you all articles mentioned the album. If not, the songs he performed from the album live. Sometimes google translate is different from the official english version i.e. "So What", sometimes it was translated as "What Then" or "Then How" and "Leave Me Alone" as "Forget Me", etc. Although others seem short, the point is there. I've seen several sources but all of them have the same exact content so I don't see any point adding it.--Shanella12345 (talk) 12:43, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

Locus (video game)

Hi. Could you review this article for me? Draft:Locus Thanks. Videogameplayer99 (talk) 01:03, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

Sure, no problem. For this draft I'm not seeing notability being established. New articles generally need to meet the general notability guideline (WP:GNG), a good rule of thumb is that a new article will need at lest two solid reliable sources with in-depth significant coverage of the topic (in this case we should be looking for game reviews by major gaming news websites or magazines). This has one source, IGN, and it is more of a directory listing than anything I would call 'significant coverage'. I've had a search online and nothing pops out as being suitable to hang GNG on, but that is to be expected for a relatively obscure, pre-internet video game. I'd suggest looking for old PC gaming magazines (physical ones) from around the time that the game was released, as this is where pretty much all of the PC game reviews were located in the mid 90s. As it is currently, I don't think this article would survive a trip to Articles for deletion. — InsertCleverPhraseHere ^{(or here)} 01:50, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

I did a bit more digging. Moby games a wiki of sorts, lists some reviews for it, although most are not available online, there are conveniently two that appear to have some scans attached as links: [2], and [3], as well as one that I managed to track down on the wayback machine internet archive before AllGame was taken down [4]. Add these three and you should be pretty sweet. — InsertCleverPhraseHere ^{(or here)} 02:04, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

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Thanks for your message. This is the first time I've had to create a discography list. I'd be keen to know if you have of a better (consistent? usual?) way of formatting such a list? Alternatively if you could point me to a sample page which looks "normal"? Thanks again. -Mayuresh K 12:08, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

You could check out a page such as Dio discography for some simple tables that are the most common way of doing it. If you want to add full song info in a collapsible list, there is a good example over at Miracle_of_Sound#Discography. Realistically, it can be left how it is if you like it that way, with the green it stands out as being a bit different than other similar articles though. — InsertCleverPhraseHere ^{(or here)} 12:34, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

I am not really worried if that list looks different. I dont think it makes sense to list tracks of each album here. It deviates from the main topic. But will try and see if I can change the list to a regular table as in your first example. Thanks! -Mayuresh K 13:29, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

Right, i found a format that looks slightly better. Hopefully this should work better -Mayuresh K 16:41, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

Looks nice. It also has the benefit of being much more concise this way. — InsertCleverPhraseHere ^{(or here)} 19:26, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

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Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, you may be blocked from editing. Joaquinito01 (talk) 14:48, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

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Unreview pages

Hi, could you please let me know why did you unreview the pages I marked as reviewed? One is candudate to Speedy Deletion and two are BLP. They don't need to stay in backlog for review. Cheers. Arthistorian1977 (talk) 14:59, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Well, I PRODed and CSDed them, and would have marked them as reviewed had it been necessary. They don't need to come out of the backlog, they will either be deleted, or else they wont, in which case they will need to be reviewed again, so they should not be marked as reviewed. If the author strips off the tag without one of us noticing, and it is reviewed, then the article will fall out of the new page feed without being checked again. All of these are bad eventualities and mean that we should leave CSD tagged and PRODed articles unreviewed. There is a discussion about this over at: Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#Marking_articles_that_have_been_tagged_for_CSD_and_PROD_as_reviewed_-_consensus.3F. — InsertCleverPhraseHere ^{(or here)} 15:05, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Hmm, I usually follow the article which I marked as reviewed and don't allow author to strip off the tag. I also mark all articles as reviewed when I tag them myself. I do feel it's my responcibility to follow up until the article in question either improved or removed. But thanks for pointing me to disccusiion. I'll read it to see what's the current consensus. Arthistorian1977 (talk) 15:12, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Yeah I'm not sure how this is going to end up. I don't think that my actions of not marking them as reviewed are particularly helpful, because I still have to follow them in case some other reviewer marks them reviewed and then the tag gets stripped, I'll start marking mine as reviewed so that they don't annoy people who use the 'next' arrow to flip through unreviewed articles. I think that we need to have an automated process where pages that have PROD and CSD tags removed automatically get re-added to the queue. — Insertcleverphrasehere ^{(or here)} 23:07, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

Tri Series

Hi, Could you please edit one of the pages to show what citation issues. I am unable to understand the problem with them. (Ankur) 13:43, 26 September 2017 (SGT)

Hi. They should use inline citations rather than external links at the end of the sentences. — Insertcleverphrasehere ^{(or here)} 05:47, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

As in score card in between the result instead of end of line? I didnt understand it. An example would be of better help. (Ankur)

Sorry for the late reply, I walked out the door last night just before your second message, and doing references on mobile is a pain. I have done the first reference on 1989–90 Australian Tri-Series with an inline citation as an example. Good work on all of these articles by the way, keep up the good work. — Insertcleverphrasehere ^{(or here)} 18:28, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

I suggest turning on the ProveIt tool, as it makes referencing a bit easier. — Insertcleverphrasehere ^{(or here)} 18:29, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

Thank you. I have edited 1989–90 Australian Tri-Series and would make the further pages using this method. But the ones already created can we let them remain the way they are? (Ankur) 10:36, 27 September 2017 (SGT)

The links are there, so it isn't the end of the world. You can leave them the way they are if you like. They are still better than many similar new articles that don't even include refs or links for individual games. Thanks for your work. — Insertcleverphrasehere ^{(or here)} 02:43, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

Cool. Appreciation is appreciated. Will try to finish all the tri nation series from Australia today and hopefully there won't be any red-marked international series pages left.

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POV in Surinamese people in Belgium

Hi, I'm the author of nl:Surinaamse gemeenschap in België, the Dutch article Surinamese people in Belgium is translated from. I see you've put a POV template on the English article, but there's no explanation on the talk page. Could you explain what you think is POV about the article? I'd love to improve it. Amphicoelias (talk) 09:18, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi. I added the tag because the tone of the article does not seem neutral. It also seems only interested in relating stories of criminal acts committed by these people, and doesn't really report on anything else, such as how they get there, etc. It could easily be renamed to "Criminal activity by Surinamese people in Belgium" and be more accurate as a title (not that we should change the name). I also have suspicions that the article is gaming statistics to promote a certain narrative, for example it says that the legal population in Brussels is low, then says that the overall population is high, and claims (without a source) that half are illegals. With 30,000 in the country, if indeed there are that many, there will indeed be plenty of criminal activity among them, and the rest of the article seems to be cherry picking individual incidents in order to make it seem like Surinamese people are mainly criminals. This causes a major POV problem for the article. It needs a source stating unequivocally that Surinamese people are more likely to be involved in crime, otherwise it seems like it is trying to synthesize a point from cherrypicked data. — Insertcleverphrasehere ^{(or here)} 17:57, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Hmm. Well, you can be sure that if the article tends anti-Surinamese, that I did not do so intentionally. Sadly, no proper statistics are available - not even on the number of Surinamese in Belgium - so news paper articles are all we have to work with. Since news papers tend to focus on the spectacular, it is true that the section devoted to the cocaine incidents is pretty large. Perhaps a "It is not know whether these are individual incidents, or part of a larger trend." would be prudent? I deliberately started the paragraph by saying "there have been repeated incidents." Nowhere did I claim that Surinamese are more likely to be criminals. I could not with a good conscience make such claims, because as I said, no statistics are available.

Btw, the source for "half are illegals" is Surisobe. It says so in the article. I'm not entirely sure where that confusion arises. I'm also not entirely sure what you mean by "it says that the legal population in Brussels is low, then says that the overall population is high". Could you perhaps clarify? Amphicoelias (talk) 08:51, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

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Thanks for your review and the suggestion to take this to WP:DYK; I will add a bit more info and then try and work out how to do that! Pippipip (talk) 01:07, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
Thanks again for your suggestion, this page is on WP:DYK today! Pippipip (talk) 00:36, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

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I have unreviewed a page you curated

Hi, I'm Ymblanter. I wanted to let you know that I saw the page you reviewed, 2004–05 KF Laçi season, and have un-reviewed it again. If you have any questions, please ask them on my talk page. Thank you.

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Ymblanter. I realise this is an automated message, but any particular reason why? — Insertcleverphrasehere ^{(or here)} 21:36, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

My apologies, I wanted to review the article, not to unreview. Apparently we tried to do it at the same time, and just crossed. Now I reviewed it again.--Ymblanter (talk) 21:38, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

I figured that is what happened. No worries. — Insertcleverphrasehere ^{(or here)} 21:39, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Citation style on Ahmad ibn Abd al-Muttalib

Hi, you added Template:Citation style to Ahmad ibn Abd al-Muttalib. What can I do to improve the citations on this page? I've been using shortened footnotes as my preferred citation style on most articles I have created recently, and if there is an issue I would like to correct it. Thanks! Axiom292 (talk) 21:52, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Sorry, I was a bit confused by the citations at first. I guess they are fine the way they are now, with the style of inline citation->note->Ref. I'll remove the tag. However I have had issues with this style being used on other articles; because if the inline citations are later removed, the reference remains in the reference section but is removed from the notes section, leaving an 'orphan' ref. This can be confusing to readers, especially if the ref count gets quite high and there are a lot f revisions to the article (which admittedly is probably not going to happen with this article). The better way to do it is to put the entire reference into the <ref>reference</ref> tags, and have a single {{reflist}} in the ==References== section. If that makes sense. — Insertcleverphrasehere ^{(or here)} 22:47, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

LaReece

Hi I just want to let you know that this person is notable she is a rapper that needs a wikipedia page she was signed to Columbia and Loud records also she was featured in songs with Bone Thugs-n-Harmony member Krayzie bone and the ex wife of krayzie bone Simon Webbe was managing her and was in Blue an english band song bubblin and on other wikipedia pages other famous rapper have sources to amazon so why i can't have sources to amazon i need you to not delete this wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brendar 1214 (talk • contribs) 03:44, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

Feel free to comment on the AfD linked on the page. — Insertcleverphrasehere ^{(or here)} 03:46, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

List of The Umbrella Academy characters

Hi,

sorry about any confusion, the text from the "List of The Umbrella Academy characters" was orignally in the main "The Umbrella Academy" page, but the main page was tagged with an "article too long". So I took the character text and moved it into a new page.

The article you are claiming "unambiguous copyright infringement" is from Oct 2017: http://omegaunderground.com/2017/10/25/exclusive-slew-umbrella-academy-audition-tapes-luther-klaus-deigo-boy/

The text on the wikipedia page dates back to at least Dec 2010 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Umbrella_Academy&oldid=400169813

That blog copied the text for the main Wikipedia page on The Umbrella Academy, not the other way around.

Sorry for any confusion.

How can we resolve this?

Damiantgordon (talk) 09:51, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

Yep, no worries, I should have checked the page history where you said it was a move from the main page. I had checked the source that came up as a copyvio and it didn't say anything about being text from wikipedia, so I thought that the new page was a copyvio. Sorry mate. I have reviewed the page and put a 'more refs' tag on it, as there are some sections that are still unreferenced. Cheers and sorry for the confusion. — Insertcleverphrasehere ^{(or here)} 18:58, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

My fault, I should have put a note in the page I created as well as on the main page, thanks a million for your help and review. You're a gent Damiantgordon (talk) 19:37, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

Speedy deletion contested: Dương Dynasty (An Nam)

Hello Insertcleverphrasehere. I am just letting you know that I contested the speedy deletion of Dương Dynasty (An Nam), a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: The creating-user wasn't blocked as a sock and G5 does not cover a blocked user's own creations, prior to block. Thank you. Winged Blades ^Godric 05:01, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

The article was recently restored from a redirect by an IP that I highly suspect is a sock of the blocked user, but as this is unverified, I can see your point. Apologies, my mistake, I have taken it to AfD instead. — Insertcleverphrasehere ^{(or here)}

Even then, it would have been in-eligible for G5.But, you could have launched a SPI and if the links were confirmed, you may have easily choosen to reverse the edits by the IP and convert it back to a redirect.Regards:)Winged Blades ^Godric 06:00, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Miroslava Breach

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Male privilege

You put men's rights back into the lead section but left out profeminism, which gets as much coverage in the article (and in RS). In any event, the lead section is still too short to absorb this info without creating an unbalanced impression. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 06:17, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

Well, profeminism is still part of feminism, so I assume that it is considered under the umbrella of the other sentences that describe feminist views on male privilege in the lede. Feel free to add a a sentence on it if you think it will fit well. I disagree about 'being able to absorb', this isn't (or shouldn't be) a men vs women thing. Feminists have their views, MRAs have theirs. — Insertcleverphrasehere ^{(or here)} 06:21, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

EDIT: Your newest edit balancing the views of both 'sides' of the men's rights movement is a good one. — Insertcleverphrasehere ^{(or here)} 06:50, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

New Page Reviewing

Thank you, it is very appealing, but I have to decline your offer. Kintaro (talk) 10:43, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

That's ok. It isn't for everyone, that is for sure. I'm just casting the net as wide as possible to get some additional people involved. Cheers. — Insertcleverphrasehere ^{(or here)} 10:45, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Thank you. I will think about this. I may take up your offer. Virion123 (talk) 13:12, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

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