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Centtrip Limited

Hi Jo-Jo Eumerus,

I created a page Centtrip Limited which was deleted due to it being too promotional. I have rewritten in following the guidelines as closely as I can. What is the process for resubmission?

many thanks

Tristancp (talk) 15:10, 6 April 2017 (UTC)Tristan

Greetings, @Tristancp:. First step is to check if Centtrip Limited meets WP:NCORP or better yet WP:GNG. If no, then you shouldn't write a page. If yes, you may want to send a draft through WP:AFC. Pinging @RickinBaltimore: since it was them who deleted the page. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:13, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

Do you realize how many transclusions there are for this template? I would have posted notices at Wikipedia talk:Route diagram template and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains. The screaming will start momentarily… Useddenim (talk) 19:58, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

@Useddenim: Um - yes? That's why I've accepted the edit request - so that people see the template is under discussion. Notifying interested projects is not the job of the template editor or admin putting the notice on the template page, however. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 20:01, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
Overkill. The «See Tfd» notice now appears on nearly every line of the um, some 6,000 or so?, Route Diagram Templates. It's the people who are interested in Template:NRrws and Template:NRstn who need to be notified, not everyone who looks at a diagram. Useddenim (talk) 20:15, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
Noinclude'd the tfd notice. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 20:17, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
Thank you. Useddenim (talk) 20:46, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

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Deletion review for Gray Routes

Vamshidhar.18 has asked for a deletion review of Gray Routes. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. —Cryptic 08:27, 10 April 2017

Seen that, no opinion as I am not familiar with the sources offered there for the most part. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:11, 10 April 2017 (UTC)


Sources offered were: Bloomberg, Tech Circle, Silicon Review. These are internationally renowned media companies that covered articles on Gray Routes. Request you to reconsider your decision or let me know if anything needs to be edited in the page. Vamshidhar.18

18:35, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

RfP

You could have done this by yourself, mostly, the reduction to template-protection, and you seem savvy enough, imho. Thanks for going the extra mile. Lectonar (talk) 20:33, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

@Lectonar: Yes, but I wanted to have an extra eye on these - for some reason I was not 100% sure on them. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 20:37, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
I see, and I understand; I've done most of them. Lectonar (talk) 20:38, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
Actually all of those which remained. Cheers. Template editors awe me. Lectonar (talk) 20:42, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

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Deletion of Prince Consort Road stadium

hi Jo-Jo Eumerus, You deleted the Prince Consort Road stadium article. I think that article didn't deserve to be listed and deleted for the reasons it was, and the consensus that appeared to exist in the deletion discussion was based on incorrect application of Wikipedia policies.

User Number 57 proposed it explicitly on the basis that it was a proposed, but never built, building. That in itself is not a reason to delete an article, because WP:NOTTEMPORARY. If the building was notable before it was cancelled, it remains notable after it was cancelled. Number 57 dismissed that as WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, but this is unfair. If there are rules for what makes a stadium notable, you have to be able to refer to them. If there aren't, if all you have to go on is WP:GNG, then you have to be able to consciously correct for anti-Northern bias, where streets and toilets and staircases are considered notable when they're in London, but large stadiums are considered non-notable when they're in Tyneside. WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS causes systemic bias when it's used to shut down arguments.

I tried to challenge Number 57 on his talk page about what his unstated notability criteria were, but he claimed he never actually used "it was cancelled" as an argument (the evidence that he did is right there in the deletion debate) and then deleted the discussion. He cited a rule that stadiums are notable if they have hosted national-level sport and non-notable if they haven't, which as far as I can tell he just made up on the spot to make me go away.

I'd like the article to come back, but its not my main concern. My main concern is how Wikipedia's policy of "considering everything in isolation", combined with fewer active Wikipedians than there used to be, combined with WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, will always lead to bias. The fewer people are actively working on the project, the more need there is for notability guidelines that are written down. How do you even go about proposing new notability guidelines? There is no how-to guide for that that I can see. Chi Sigma (talk) 08:13, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

@Chi Sigma: Greetings. The problem with never completed buildings is that there are much fewer sources that you can use to write an article with than with buildings which were complete. WP:GEOFEAT is the already existing guideline for buildings and as you can see, they generally need to have some kind of notoriety. You didn't show substantial reliable sources independent from the subject and thus the article was !voted to be deleted. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:01, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

attribution redirect

  • Hello and thank you for all your pertinent replies. The sandbox won't be ready for a day or two at least; User:Clarityfiend is giving it a copy edit. After that, it'll be ready to go... At that time, does the attribution redirect need to be created and put in place at exactly the same moment as text is moved, or can there be a lag of a day perhaps before it is created? I think it would be overkill to synchronize our watches (cellphones?) like characters in a war movie...
  • First edit for Bengal was over a year ago (and over 4,100 edits for me):

() knock knock. Did you ever complete this? Tks  Lingzhi ♦ (talk) 09:58, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

@Lingzhi: No, I am sure I pinged you to ask whether you needed the oldest history of your sandbox there. Because if so, I need to make a history split before the move. If no, I can do the move straight away. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 14:56, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
My recollection is, you asked if the sandbox could be blanked, I said "Sure do whatever you need," then I waited a day (thinking you would blank it), then blanked it myself. As far as I know, I don't need the oldest history of my sandbox to be anywhere in particular. I don't know why I would need it, or what I would use it for. Is there some reason I would need it? I don't think so... the "Bengal famine" stuff is the only stuff there that's worth saving or using... does that answer your questions? I am not sure...color me clueless, I guess.  Lingzhi ♦ (talk) 15:15, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
Alrighty, I've done the attribution thing - moved the page with its history to Talk:Bengal famine of 1943/attribution to preserve it, will add some explanatory content immediately. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:19, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
You rock! Thanks!... oh wait, I have a question: My sandbox is a redlink now. Is it OK if I start using it all over again?? Tks  Lingzhi ♦ (talk) 15:23, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
Absolutely. Personal advice though is that you use User:Lingzhi/topic with "topic" being whatever you are writing about in future sandboxes. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:27, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

() Yeah, that thought occurred to me earlier... Thanks!  Lingzhi ♦ (talk) 15:30, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Your help desk question

I see Trappist the monk fixed your problem.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 18:37, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

Deletion of Steve Hagerty

Hi! A while back, I created the page Steve Hagerty, which you deleted. Hagerty has now been elected mayor of Evanston, Illinois, a large suburb of Chicago, and I believe Evanston's mayor is notable enough to merit an article, given the last two mayors have their own articles. Can the deletion be undone in any way? Thanks, damperpedal (talk) 21:34, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Greetings, @Damperpedal:. Given WP:NPOL you may want to wait until they have significant press coverage. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 07:40, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

Balkrishna Page Undeletion

Hi, Could you please tell which section sounds like promotional because all of the content is real fact and strong references have been cited for them. There had been no notifications earlier too regarding promotional thing. He is a genuine person and the intent of the whole article is not to promote anything. Whatever is reality, has been made live. Please suggest. Didgeri (talk) 11:24, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

GOCE request for Lake Manly


I'm hoping to get this one done during the current GOCE Blitz!

AFD closed as delete but article remains/notice not removed

Just in case you might have missed a step: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kitesurfing locations Ajf773 (talk) 09:26, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

Now fixed. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 09:42, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

19:32, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

Lake Manix

Please check the article to ensure that I did not make any factual or scientific errors in my copy editing. – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:10, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, Jonesey95. I've made two changes. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 08:44, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Peter Smagorinsky

I would ask you to reopen this AfD. Smagorinsky is a Distinguished Professor,[11] which clearly meets the requirements of WP:NACADEMIC. Neither the nominator nor either of the contributors seem to have bothered to do their homework either on him (no evidence he holds a chair, one says) or on WP's notability guidelines. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:53, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

@Necrothesp: Well, the nominator did say Distinguished professor is an internal recognition at The University of Georgia. Does that change the assessment? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:08, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
No, since he has obviously failed to read WP:NACADEMIC, which specifically mentions Distinguished Professors. All chairs are internal to their universities, so his point makes no sense in the context of the notability standard. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:11, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
It has been done. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:22, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:25, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

Image help

Hey Jo-Jo, you know your images and licenses--can you help out at User_talk:Sir.Leyenda#Image_without_license_2? Student uploaded a file without the proper paperwork... Thanks, Drmies (talk) 21:34, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

@Drmies: Typing an explanation as we speak. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 22:49, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
Gotcha. Thanks so much! Drmies (talk) 02:45, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

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Lake Manly

Take a look through and make sure I didn't create any factual errors with my edits!  gwendy (talk) 16:25, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Monnow bridge

Thanks very much indeed for the image review. I'll go over the comments tomorrow. I'm afraid this isn't my area of expertise so, if I have any queries, I hope it will be ok to get back to you. I don't think Monow is an acceptable alternative spelling now, but it may have been ok in 1818. Thanks and regards. KJP1 (talk) 19:52, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

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Cascade protection

Hello JJE. Do you know what the rationale was for cascade-protecting the citation templates? Any admin who carries out your proposed unprotections at WP:RFPP will probably have to undo all of that. There is a big list at Wikipedia:Cascade-protected items/content#Citation templates. It seems that such an apparently large change might deserve a wider discussion, for example at WP:AN. EdJohnston (talk) 02:51, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Greetings, @EdJohnston:. The citation templates are often very widely used ({{Cite web}} has over two and a half million transclusions) and were thus protected. Not all citation templates ended up being that widely used and furthermore the cascading pre-dates the implementation of template protection. I've been going around to suss these moderately used templates out and have requested downprotection at RfPP in some cases to get second opinions. Downprotecting the one million and more transclusion templates probably will need a wider discussion, certainly. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 11:34, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
I agree with the theory that template protection should be used when appropriate. But the code of these templates does not seem to allow for useful modification, so I don't see the upside of lowering protection. See the code of {{cite news}}:
<includeonly> {{#invoke:citation/CS1|citation|CitationClass=news}} </includeonly><noinclude> {{documentation}} </noinclude>
All the work is being done by the Lua code in Module:citation/CS1. It is hard to see anything here that non-experts could tinker with. The Lua code is full-protected as you would expect. The documentation can be tweaked by anyone since it is in the unprotected file Template:Cite news/doc. I will ping User:Trappist the monk who is one of the maintainers of Module:citation/CS1 to see if he has an opinion. EdJohnston (talk) 15:10, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
Um. These templates probably don't allow much modification, indeed. I tend to play it safe because I've seen edit requests being made even on ancient redirects. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:48, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
'Playing it safe': Are you hoping to reduce the number of unnecessary edit requests? EdJohnston (talk) 16:20, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
Yes. They are sometimes unpredictable. It is not a super important project, though. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 18:34, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

File:Generator of atmospheric arc discharge plasma.jpg

The FFD tag is still intact. Would you leave it alone, or would you remove it and add notice in the file talk page? --George Ho (talk) 05:18, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Got these. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:00, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Request to userfy Godless Bitches

Hi, I want to improve the article Godless Bitches and will be working with Megalibrarygirl to do so. I have rescued deleted/nominated articles before. - Bri (talk) 18:54, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Done. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 19:02, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Move review

FYI, an editor has opened a move review at Wikipedia:Move_review/Log/2017_April#Northern_Illinois_Huskies. TonyBallioni (talk) 20:15, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Seen it, thanks. Seems like they are contesting the !votes rather than my reading of them, so not commenting yet. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 20:21, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

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Murder of Margaret McWilliam

Hi Jo-Jo, can I ask if I can see the article one more time? I ivoted to delete it, but is it possible to look at it again for just a few minutes? SW3 5DL (talk) 23:14, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

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The murder of Margaret Mcwilliam (21 September 1965 - 27 August 1987) was committed inside Warden Woods Park, Toronto, Ontario. Canada, on 27 August 1987. 21 year-old Margaret was beaten, raped and murdered by an unknown male suspect.

At around 7:00 PM on August 27 1987 Margaret left her basement apartment that she has rented in Santomonica Blvd. She went for her regular jog in Warden Woods Park which she entered on the southwest corner of Warden and St.Clair. While jogging Margaret was apparently ambushed by her offender, who dragged her of the path of Warden Woods Park and to a secluded area on the Park, where the offender fought with Margaret and beat her up. The offender took off her clothes and raped her, then used her sweatshirt to strangle her until she died. The offender left her clothes in a neat pile around her and took her headphones from her walkman. Police say the offender had a easy escape.

The next morning when Margaret was not seen at work, her manager called the house where she rented the basement. The owner checked and found her keys dangling in the lock. Police were called. Later that afternoon a police tracker dog found her body. She was found face up with bruises all over her face with two blackened eyes.

A few months later police came up with a composite sketch and the description of the shoes of a light skinned black man with a moustache seen leaving Warden Woods Park at around 8:00 PM. A reward was announced for anyone who can lead into the arrest, but it was never claimed. More recently a strong male DNA profile has been created from the crime scene, but he is not in the National DNA databank so he is not a recognized person.

References

, as written by Wildgillespie28 and MelanieN Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 08:19, 29 April 2017 (UTC)


Thanks, Jo-Jo. Can you check the edit history to see if here was any vandalism? I did an RS check to see if there was any new developments that might justify keeping the article, but by the time I got back it had been deleted. Which I'm fine with. I just wondered about one particular edit that mentioned her sweatshirt had been tied with a 'granny knot,' and later wondered if that was vandalism. If you are still able to check that, I"d appreciate it. Otherwise, no worries. Thanks. SW3 5DL (talk) 18:42, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
No vandalism, just a few deletion requests by PROD and then G12. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 18:47, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. I appreciate you taking the time. SW3 5DL (talk) 18:53, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

Monnow Bridge

Jo-Jo Eumerus, many thanks for your image review. I hope I've actioned your suggestions appropriately. But I have to confess to copyright licencing being an area of lesser strength for me. Could you let me know if I haven't got it right. Thanks again. KJP1 (talk) 07:47, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Took a gander. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 08:51, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
Many thanks and will do. KJP1 (talk) 09:36, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Kitesurfing locations article content

You recently deleted the Kitesurfing locations article. Could you please restore the last version in my namespace so I can retrieve the article contents for use outside of Wikipedia? Peter Campbell 11:26, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Out of sheer curiosity, what would such use be? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 11:27, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

protection for signature

You recently contacted me on my userpage to instruct me to subst and protect my signature template. I did subst it, but when I requested protection at wp:rfpp, this is what I wrote and what I got back:


Permanent Full Protection: It is the signature of User:SammyMajed.  • Sammy Habib-Kemal Majed  • Talk  • Creations • Wikipedia Arabic  •
18:48, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

  DeclinedPages are not protected preemptively. — Maile (talk) 19:43, 30 April 2017 (UTC)






 • Sammy Habib-Kemal Majed  • Talk  • Creations • Wikipedia Arabic  •
11:47, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

I see. Perhaps it should stay unprotected but you'll need to watch carefully for any tampering. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 12:00, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the advice then. good day.  • Sammy Habib-Kemal Majed  • Talk  • Creations • Wikipedia Arabic  •
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FAC reviewing barnstar

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Kevin Michael Schmitz

Hi Eumerus,
I was recently requested by Kevin Michael Schmitz to Wikify and establish the notability of the article Kevin Michael Schmitz, as per Wikipedia policies. But I found that the article has already been deleted by you. It was previously deleted four times as well. So I just made a draft of the article here, as per WP:BLP. I don't have intention to create a biased, self-promoting article (I saw the article recently before it was deleted by you, that was not a proper article - I believe). Would you please have a look at the draft and let me know your opinion, whether it is okay? I suppose you don't have any problem regarding the article, as long as it is written properly, following Wikipedia guidelines. Thanks. Tanweer Morshed (talk) 09:45, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Greetings, @Tanweer Morshed:. The issue I have with that is that many of the sources seem to be primary sources or unreliable (IMDB) - that is why in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kevin Michael Schmitz (2nd nomination) @Smartse, Heroeswithmetaphors, and Johnpacklambert: decided to support the removal of the previous article. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 10:19, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
Hi, I created the article from scratch, with proper referencing. It doesn't contain any primary references. Please have a look and let me know your opinion. Thanks. Tanweer Morshed (talk) 11:30, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
Not being particularly positive about some of these sources. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:22, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
Well that didn't take long! I've tagged it as g4. Excuse the brevity -on mobile. SmartSE (talk) 18:09, 3 May 2017 (UTC)