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very glad to hear it! :D thanks Kinerd518 (talk) 00:36, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

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Montana

Montana's data is available here, but data between June and October are missing. I am not sure if this should be incorporated in the chart. Horizon Sunset (talk) 22:36, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

this is great!! CT pulls the same stunt with not reporting in an extremely broad definition of summer, so we already have precedent: report data when they do, mark them x when they don't. this is also very nicely presented data so it's a snap to redo it week by week, and although of course there will be occluded late reported deaths especially early on next "season", since they'll be covered by the model anyway it won't really matter. great find, thanks! Kinerd518 (talk) 19:03, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

Michigan

Michigan's data is still available from here (sum up all counties). However, this number includes about 4000 probable deaths, which wasn't included originally. You may choose to include this at your discretion. Horizon Sunset (talk) 03:39, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

this is great, thanks!! if they can't be bothered with the distinction, i see no reason we should either, i'll just bring up the starting point again. Kinerd518 (talk) 16:00, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Illinois

The data from Illinois comes from NCHS (According to their website), which included the probable data not included originally, and that explains the difference between the your model and the data. Unfortunately, I couldn't find the confirmed count for Illinois either Horizon Sunset (talk) 04:00, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

that makes sense and i believe you, but the model was just so far under in its prediction that i can't help but feel there was some serious underreporting going on too. this is neither here nor there though, so thanks! :D Kinerd518 (talk) 16:03, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Arkansas

Arkansas has restarted reporting this data here Horizon Sunset (talk) 04:16, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

great, thanks again! :D Kinerd518 (talk) 16:18, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

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hello! when i uploaded the file with the wizard, i filled out a form justifying doing so. is it possible for you or anyone to see those responses? i can go back in the wizard and try my best to recreate my original responses if not, but would i put them here, or where? regarding the tag, it seems to be marked as non-free on my uploads page, do i use the tag in the article the file is used in? if so, where? thanks! Kinerd518 (talk) 13:06, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

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Georgia

Georgia continues to publish the weekly fatality count here. By summing weekly counts by age in the most recent report, I get 44,277. Unfortunately, I can't find the confirmed and probable counts separately, similar to the situation with Michigan. This will be a huge jump from 36,488 because of the probable counts (last reported 7,581), so you may choose to include that at your discretion. Horizon Sunset (talk) 01:57, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

this is great! using a text extract i got 44,213 but that's no big deal. i'll update the chart accordingly, thanks again! :D Kinerd518 (talk) 17:58, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Found the mistake in my calculations! Thanks again! --Horizon Sunset (talk) 23:42, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Puerto Rico's count

Hey! Thank you so much for correcting the numbers on Guam! I found out that the total has not yet included Puerto Rico's updated data, would you mind correcting that also? Horizon Sunset (talk) 19:41, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

all set! it was just the column for daily reported totals, so the grand totals listed are still the same. and no worries! it's easy for me to update the numbers once we have them, having them is the main thing :D thanks again! Kinerd518 (talk) 20:48, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

P.S Sorry it is sort of my part to update the total alongside when I backfilled Puerto Rico's data for the past two weeks but I don't think I have the data to compute the modelled count so I decided to leave the daily totals from 5 Aug to 18 Aug for both actual and modelled counts unchanged when they need to be recalculated.

Connecticut

Connecticut has resumed reporting. It has reported fatality data as early as the week ending 3 Aug, 2024. It is quite unusual as the previous dashboard only included data from Oct 2023. I would recommend backfilling the weekly data starting in August 2024, or at least remove all the Xs from that week on. Horizon Sunset (talk) 03:59, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

and at a new URL, no less! i'm on it, thanks again for all your contributions to the project! Kinerd518 (talk) 17:13, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Montana

Montana has resumed reporting in the same link. It has modified its dashboard to include statistics by year. You can get a total count by summing up the count each year. Horizon Sunset (talk) 17:54, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

thanks! i'll use the weekly breakdown to fill in the blanks, but going forward we should have a much more reliable total count :D Kinerd518 (talk) 18:21, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

Colorado

Colorado still reports total fatalities here (15,767). I don't know why it is less than the 16,310 reported previously but comparing count for each of the 12 months it is clear that count for each month is consistently lower than previous monthly data by single digit. See their definition here. Horizon Sunset (talk) 01:45, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

thanks for finding this! and yeah that is weird to drop that much, i have a call in with them, hopefully we can get an explanation. if we don't by the next update, i'll just use the listed value. thanks again! Kinerd518 (talk) 19:17, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

got a call back, the total isn't reporting from the start of the pandemic, and while the plan isn't set yet, they anticipate the starting line bumping up every year or so. not ideal, but definitely workable for our purposes. the last twelve months being slightly lower looks therefore to just be a coincidence, it's certainly more common for past values to bump up slightly, but i've seen them go down slightly often enough that that makes sense to me. they should be updating later this week, we'll see how it goes! :D Kinerd518 (talk) 13:45, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Nebraska

Nebraska has resumed reporting here. However, it doesn't include the data for 2019-2020 season (which ended on 26 Sep, 2020). As a result, I am unsure how to incorporate this into the chart Horizon Sunset (talk) 01:37, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

very sloppily is how, lol, but it's good to have an updated reference again, thanks! i'll go into more detail on the template's talk page but i think i have a relatively reasonable way to do it Kinerd518 (talk) 13:59, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

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Alaska

Alaska has resumed reporting here (see page 85 for monthly data). It seems like the data they have reported here has largely coincided with their previous reporting. Horizon Sunset (talk) 04:16, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

this is a great find!! thanks :D Kinerd518 (talk) 15:12, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

I got 1,546 from summing up counts from each year (265 for 2020, 841 from 2021, 341 from 2022, 99 from 2023) reported on page 85. Hence I thought that was the correct count you meant to include.--Horizon Sunset (talk) 23:22, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

hmm, well i can't explain it haha, i must have gotten caught up in the partial year part. either way it's all set now, thanks again! Kinerd518 (talk) 19:04, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

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Links you may find helpful

Hey! I wasn't sure if you saved them somewhere else already, but here is the log for each reporting caveat during the past year and a half [1], [2]. Horizon Sunset (talk) 19:44, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

i did, but as really gruesome plain text c/ps lol, this reference is much nicer! i'll add them to the wikimedia pages i made, thanks! Kinerd518 (talk) 20:28, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Oklahoma

Oklahoma continues to report final count for 2020-2023 (16,246 and that probably wouldn't change in the future), as well as preliminary data for 2024 (383 as of today). So for today it should be 16,629.

For each link, make sure to tick the box next to entire state, and select 20 leading rankable causes of deaths 'cna'. Scroll down and click Submit Request, scroll down until you find COVID-19.

I don't know why the value for Oklahoma is more than 17k. Last epidemiology report published in May 2023 reports the data as 16,157.

Unfortunately, most of the values from May 2023 to September 2024 are lost because I can't seem to find monthly data. I didn't discover this source until May 2024 and didn't keep track of it until September 2024

Thanks again for incorporating all the sources I provided. Horizon Sunset (talk) 20:57, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

thanks for finding them! :D i went back through the old data and it tallies up year by year right along, and dramatically differently: 2,489 vs. 4,838 for 2020 on wiki vs. OK2Share respectively, 9,249 vs. 7,278 for 2021, 5,007 vs. 3,413 for 2022, 840 through May 2023 vs. 717 for the whole 2023 year(!!!). i'm out of time tonight anyway, i'll look again tomorrow at it, but my feeling right now is it's very concerning for them to have cut post-2020 values so sharply and at an escalating rate. either way, it's good to have a resource in the first place, so we can test! thanks again Kinerd518 (talk) 02:02, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

i looked again, and the model says there should be 989 OK deaths in 2024, compared to their current report of 383. this continues the documented escalation of their evident underreporting, and especially since we don't have granular breakdowns to backfill, i am not going to include this source at this time. if OK ever offers a better breakdown or an explanation for the massive discrepancies, certainly i will revisit this. i also have the source saved to continue monitoring, so we can regenerate granular data by ourselves if it ever becomes credible. thanks again to @Horizon Sunset for discovering this! Kinerd518 (talk) 01:26, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

I suspect the discrepancy between wiki and OK2SHARE is due to data backfilling because the counts reported by Oklahoma were 2489 by the end of 2020, 11552 (increased by 9063) by the end of 2021, 15397 (increased by 3845) by the end of 2022, and 16157 (increased by 760) as of May 2023: and those counts match the counts recorded by wikipedia better, although they are still consistently lower than the counts in wikipedia, especially in 2022.

What I found out was that 2021 data matched Oklahoma's own preliminary reporting until November. The irregular update on 10 November 2021 (35 compared to 132 as reported by Oklahoma) was where wiki starts to deviate from Oklahoma's preliminary data. For an example of backfilling, see this report by Oklahoma published in 2021. Horizon Sunset (talk) 05:08, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Your model was based on the data from 2022 to 2023, when data for Oklahoma from wiki deviated significantly from data reported by Oklahoma, which might explain why your modelled count differs significantly from the count reported by Oklahoma. I don't know why wiki's recorded values are different from Oklahoma's preliminary reports PUBLISHED AT THE TIME THE EDITS WERE MADE, and if you know who made the edits for Oklahoma after 2021 it would be nice to ask them about where they got their data from.

OK2SHARE's data are backfilled, but wiki's data aren't backfilled: this should explain why OK2SHARE's 2021 data is significantly lower Horizon Sunset (talk) 05:23, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

good thought! i'll get in touch with them and we can get to the bottom of this Kinerd518 (talk) 20:07, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much! However User:Bz8x8c has not made any edits since May 2023 so I doubt if we will really get a response. Regardless I will be tracking the source daily from now on.--Horizon Sunset (talk) 01:19, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

as we have not gotten a response yet, i am going ahead with the backfill. i'm still far from psyched about it for past values, but since the massive discrepancies mostly cancel out before this table's time period, i think we have no real choice to best preserve present day information, which is the whole point. here is the process i am using:

1,698 decrease in pre table totals, guessing that half of OK2SHARE's 2023 deaths occurred before 12 may 2023

359 increase on 4 october 2023, a second half 2023 peak

383 increase on 12 september 2024, a 2024 peak, and

7 today, the change in total since last week

if you have more granular data you can provide that's great! but either way, thanks for finding this source! Kinerd518 (talk) 19:52, 24 November 2024 (UTC)