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Single edits over multiple paragraphs

Hi KlayCax. I see that you're new to Wikipedia. I'm noting that you're editing large swaths over multiple sections and paragraphs with just one edit. Would you mind putting that into multiple smaller, bite-sized edits in the future, please? It makes it easier to go over your changes. I'm not aware of a rule on this, heck I could be completely wrong, put if you could do that I'd appreciate it. Thanks :)Stix1776 (talk) 13:03, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

KlayCax Can you please respond to this message, because I'm starting to get frustrated at reading and undoing your massive edits. Thanks Stix1776 (talk) 17:07, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

I'll respond on the circumcision talk page. KlayCax (talk)

I second what Stix1776 said, reviewing 10 edits that all only change a couple words when it could be done in one single edit is difficult and somewhat annoying. ― Tuna ^No_SurprisesPlease 20:38, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Please read the sources before editing

Hi KlayCax. I just spotted the edits that you made in Circumcision and law. I read through the sources and they don't say what you're asserting. Please read through the sources carefully and only modify articles with text that's represented by the source. As I mentioned in the Circumcision talk page, misrepresenting sourced text is likely going to earn you a block from Wikipedia.Stix1776 (talk) 06:52, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi @KlayCax:, there's vigorous discussion about your edits in the talk page. Can you please engage with the discussion before removing sourced content. Thanks. Stix1776 (talk) 02:43, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

I strongly advise you, KlayCax to cease editing Circumcision and open a discussion on the talk page and get consensus for your edits. If you continue, it's likely to result in a block from the article or possibly the site. CUPIDICAE💕 14:08, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

Why did you move sourced material to the lead, just to "trim" the lead?

I KlayCax. I noticed that you moved ethical considerations up to the lead in this diff [1], only to later remove the material as trimming the lead 10 days later [2]. I'm not sure if that was intentional, but please try not to move material to the lead just to delete it later.Stix1776 (talk) 14:28, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Circumcision and Tendentious editing

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Circumcision. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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This reverts [3], were defending your deletions here [4][5], and here [6]. May I remind you that you were reverting against multiple editors here [7] promising to file a report at WP:HSOCK, which never happened.Stix1776 (talk) 11:12, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

@KlayCax: also please stop making major edits as a minor edit. Adding and subtracting huge portions of the text is definitely not minor.Stix1776 (talk) 11:59, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

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June 2022

Hi KlayCax! I noticed that you have reverted to restore your preferred version of Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization several times. The impulse to undo an edit you disagree with is understandable, but I wanted to make sure you're aware that the edit warring policy disallows repeated reversions even if they are justifiable.

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Multiple edits were occurring at the same time. The reversion was unintentional. KlayCax (talk) 01:59, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

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Hey. I have no intention of starting an edit war. Your initial edit summary gave me the impression it was erroneously reverted under the assumption that the edits were unsourced. (And thus it not counting under the three reversion rule.) I'm starting a discussion about it on the talk page now. Best regards and I hope no hard feelings, KlayCax (talk) 13:20, 27 July 2022 (UTC).

Speedy deletion nomination of Cultural views on circumcision

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Per the tag, the article is being currently in the process of being created. It is being merged in with multiple articles. (I was about to create a notification about it on the Talk: Circumcision page. Thanks! KlayCax (talk) 08:34, 29 July 2022 (UTC) KlayCax (talk) 08:34, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

An "under construction" tag is not a get-out-of-jail infallible protection. There is no reason to create an extremely premature, near-empty article and then move on to edit completely unrelated stuff. While an article shouldn't need to be perfect by far, it should be "something" information, not just a placeholder where you will return in your own time, perhaps, someday. Fram (talk) 08:35, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

I'm aware that it isn't. The basic outline of the article is going to be completed within one or two hours. While a complete merger of it and other article is aimed to be completed within a month: along with the contributions of other editors. KlayCax (talk) 08:37, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

We have draft space for a reason. Fram (talk) 08:43, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

If the article isn't in satisfactory condition within two hours, feel free to delete it. KlayCax (talk) 08:48, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

Viktor Orbán

Why did you delete from the lead that he is trumpist? Ltbuni (talk) 16:13, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Because he has relationships with many figures — e.g. the present Polish government — it is disproportionate to just focus on him in the lead. KlayCax (talk) 04:50, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Caution

Please make sure sources explicitly say what is claimed in the passages they support. None of the ones on Kellogg's page said anything about "misconceptions" in the quotes cited. EvergreenFir (talk) 21:36, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

What passages in question? (Snopes, 2020) extensively debunks the claims that he promoted corn flakes to prevent masturbation; Kellogg also explicitly rejected the growing movement of routine neonatal circumcision of the time. (The notion predominately got popularized by a comedy video in 2014.)

Are you referencing the fact that there's no specific mention in the sources that Sayre, Hutchinson, and Spock were more influential than Kellogg? I wouldn't have a problem with it being reworded towards something like "In contrast, Hutchinson, Sayre, and Spock had a significant influence on the practice's adoption within the Anglosphere/United States". I'd be okay with something like that.

Thanks, KlayCax (talk) 22:06, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

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Circumcision & STDs

Hello. Since none of the other sources related to increased chance of STDs were objected to in your reversion, can I assume you don't have an issue with other sources that are not by those particular people? For example, this one? Tiggy The Terrible (talk) 08:16, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

This is already conveyed with Major medical organizations hold widely variant perspectives on the bioethics, cost-effectiveness, and the prophylactic efficacy related to the elective circumcision of minors. The World Health Organization (WHO), UNAIDS, and American medical organizations take the position that it carries prophylactic health benefits which outweigh small risks, while European medical organizations generally hold the belief that in these situations its medical benefits are not counterbalanced by risk in the article.

The notion that circumcision increases (rather than just being unnecessary in developed nations) STD's is WP: Fringe. KlayCax (talk) 19:30, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

Please review notability guidelines before proposing articles for deletion

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American vs. European views on circumcision

Can you please quit removing the varying views from medical organizations on circumcision from the lead? You have been reverted for a similar edit in the past. I reverted you just now. Please note, that even if you do not violate the three revert rule specifically, you can be banned for edit warring. There is no consensus for your actions, so please stop. Thank you! Prcc27 (talk) 18:21, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

Apologies. I didn't realize that you were opposed to the alteration. (I thought it was Stix1776 who objected.)

I removed it for two reasons.

1.) The meaning of the sentence is already covered by Major medical organizations hold widely variant perspectives on the bioethics, cost-effectiveness, and the prophylactic efficacy related to the elective circumcision of minors right before it. The meaning is already conveyed.

2.) It implicitly gives a NPOV tilt to the article. Because it shows three communities (two of which are international; the World Health Organization and UN/AIDS) and contrasts it solely with European medical organizations. It's easy to see how it would imply that the majority side would be the ones favoring the practice, when it's actually divided. KlayCax (talk) 19:18, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

I'll request a RfC on it. KlayCax (talk) 19:18, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

September 2022

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Multiple sources state that it is the only NC-17 film of the year. (See this for just one example.) KlayCax (talk) 05:52, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi KlayCax! I noticed that you recently marked an edit as minor at Republican Party (United States) that may not have been. "Minor edit" has a very specific definition on Wikipedia—it refers only to superficial edits that could never be the subject of a dispute, such as typo corrections or reverting obvious vandalism. Any edit that changes the meaning of an article is not a minor edit, even if it only concerns a single word. Please see Help:Minor edit for more information. Specifically, this edit: [8] was not minor. Thanks – S. Rich (talk) 06:11, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

It was accidentally marked due to my keyboard glitching.

Thanks and apologies, @Srich32977:. KlayCax (talk) 06:15, 13 September 2022 (UTC).

Thanks. My own message itself was a bit inaccurate. Sorry. – S. Rich (talk) 06:19, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

It's no problem, @Srich32977:! KlayCax (talk) 06:42, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Marxism-Leninism and Confederate State of America

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Religion based on music singles

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A singular reversion is not an edit war. KlayCax (talk) 02:14, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

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Hi, would you please put back the SPLC etc in the lead? I don’t have strong feelings where you put it. Thanks. Doug Weller talk 16:11, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, no problem. Have to be somewhere for a few hours. But I'll add it back once I'm back, @Doug Weller:. KlayCax (talk) 16:12, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

No rush, thanks for your other edits there and your offer to restore it. Doug Weller talk 16:16, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

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I responded on the World Cup talk page. I agree that they are. But it goes against Wikinorms; we don't even call North Korea a human rights violator in Wikivoice.

(Despite the obvious fact that they are.) KlayCax (talk) 08:53, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

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Transclusion on wrong page?

Hi, this looked like a case of "adding stuff to the wrong tab", so I took the liberty of undoing it. I think Cyberbot I added the missing transclusions, but it might be worth double checking. Let me know if I missed something and the transclusion was intended. Cheers, Ljleppan (talk) 10:58, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

It wasn't intended. I messed up the formatting on the AFD log page. Thank you, @Ljleppan:! KlayCax (talk) 11:13, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Circumcision edit war January 2023

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One reversion isn't an edit war. I'll go to talk then — and a RFC if need be — but all of this has been extensively revisited over and over. KlayCax (talk) 22:48, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

• It is edit warring ”whether involving the same or different material”. You are one edit away from a 3RR violation, FYI. Prcc27 (talk) 23:09, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

LGBT wing moved to draftspace

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NPOV on Democratic Party (United States)

The median political position of the Democratic Party (United States) is moderate center-right by any standards but those of the United States, and centrist by those of the United States. Wikipedia is a global project, and we have reached a long-standing consensus not to describe "the" position of the Democrats because we cannot achieve a consensus on how to describe it. Orange Mike | Talk 17:39, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Responded on Democratic Party (United States) talk. :) @OrangeMike:. KlayCax (talk) 07:48, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

Edit warring

Hey, I notice you've been edit warring at the United States article: [10] [11]. I find this disruptive, and I'd recommend you take a look at the BRD cycle.      — Freoh 14:23, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

It was a singular reversion because I thought there was a misunderstanding.

I responded on the article's talk page. @Freoh:. KlayCax (talk) 07:48, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

I've reported you to WP:ANI, see "KlayCax (talk · contribs) doing mass editing of political parties claiming "Per longstanding consensus: no American political party should have their position on the ideological spectrum listed""

Doug Weller talk 12:24, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

You need to stop and respond at ANI

Carrying on isn’t a good look. Doug Weller talk 12:56, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Just logged on.

Didn't see the ANI notice until now — or post afterwards; you first messaged at 12:24, all of the charges were before 12:20 — responding on there. KlayCax (talk) 13:02, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

My bad. Doug Weller talk 13:22, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Now you really do need to stop what you're doing and respond at ANI. I do not think that you had consensus to make all the previous changes; I do not think you have consensus to make all these new ones you're making. Girth Summit _(blether) 16:24, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

With the exception of National Union Party (United States) - which was unsourced - I'm reverting all of the minor parties with sourced information back to the previous edits. @Girth Summit:. The partial reversion was unintentional. I'm responding on ANI now.KlayCax (talk) 16:28, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

That's not what I see at the first one I checked - Working Families Party. Here are your changes. You've taken a sourced political position, and removed it telling people to seek consensus on talk. Girth Summit _(blether) 16:33, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

You can blanket revert all non-talk page/ANI edits past this edit. (11:58 GMT, 17 February 2023‎). The fact that it was a partial reversion was an accident. (I was trying to quickly delete 50+ changes at once.) I'll elaborate more on ANI. KlayCax (talk) 16:35, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

That sounds complicated and time-consuming. Why wouldn't I just revert all the changes you've made to those articles in the last couple of days, since it seems clear you do not have the consensus you claimed to have? Girth Summit _(blether) 16:39, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

That's what I'm requesting. All of my article edits past 11:58 GMT, 17 February 2023‎ (from here to ending now) being reverted.

The ones removing "ideologies" from the Republican level pages were in line with the consensus. KlayCax (talk) 16:44, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

And the consensus was meaning a lack of consensus.

Minor edits

Please check that you understand what minor edits are. It catches a lot of people out because "minor" doesn't just mean "small" as some people might assume. For example, this is not a minor edit. DanielRigal (talk) 00:43, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

@DanielRigal:. I assumed that this would be a case of WP: MINOREDIT: since all of those relate to how she sees issues of human sexuality. Generally, I prefer consolidation of subsections (e.g. issues being combined together) rather than them being spread out. I don't have a strong preference one way or another, though. So I'm fine with it being reverted. KlayCax (talk) 00:51, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Don't bludgeon the process

Hey, I notice that you have been repeatedly making the same comment at Talk:United States § Raising the American flag during the Battle of Iwo Jima vs. nuclear mushroom cloud (Trinity nuclear test). You have also reinstated an edit to United States that had been previously reverted and challenged, and was currently under discussion, which I would recommend against. Could you please stop this disruptive behavior?      — Freoh 14:20, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

State Articles

I noticed you have made unexplained lead changes to Montana and Mississippi. These type of changes need to be explained and changes to the lead must follow MOS:LEAD. This isn't even a comment about the content you're adding (which may or may not be valuable). Please insure the information you are adding to the lead is included in the body of the article. This is need to justify WP:DUE inclusion in the lead. Thanks! Nemov (talk) 15:34, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Do you mean "ancestry"?

Re United States: "Irreconcilable sectional conflict regarding the enslavement of those of black African descendent." There are descendants of black African slaves, yes, but no one is "of black African descendent." 173.77.71.234 (talk) 16:18, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Your edits to Australia

Hello there

I reverted your change to the lead regarding Australia as a member of the "Anglosphere". Although this is a concept used by some writers I have never seen any evidence that it has caught on in Australia. To my knowledge, no Australian politician has ever referred to the Anglosphere or our alleged part of this thing. Perhaps its more an English-American notion? Australia has considered itself part of Asia for some time. Aemilius Adolphin (talk) 06:56, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Hey, @Aemilius Adolphin:. The "Anglosphere" is a widely used cultural/political term in political science, foreign relations, and anthropology. On a personal/popular culture level: I know it's widely used in the United Kingdom/United States - both in which I lived in. From what I can tell: it's commonly used in Australia as well. KlayCax (talk) 07:06, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello thanks for the link. I have lived in Australia for over 40 years. I have taught history at university and have followed foreign affairs fairly closely and I can assure you that the concept of "Anglosphere" has hardly ever entered into the mainstream Australian political debate or popular consciousness. I am aware it is a fashionable term in some academic circles (the French are very big on the idea that there is an "Anglophone" conspiracy), but it's a very odd feeling to wake up one morning to be told by a foreign academic that you are part of an Anglosphere. I can only wonder how French Canadians feel about it. Since the Labor government's pivot to Asia in the 1980s, Australia has generally considered itself a multicultural country which is part of Asia. Of course Australia has a shared British heritage and there is a hard core of Anglophiles but they are pretty much in the minority nowadays. The Lowy Institute survey is interesting because the analysis on the left seems to contradict the survey percentages. Or perhaps the text is referring to a later survey. I would be very interested in the background of the "Anglosphere" survey because my guess is that if 1,000 Australians were asked about the Anglosphere today, 99% would say that they don't know what an Anglosphere is. The Aukus pact is interesting because it involves Australia's first major defence initiative with the UK since the 1950s, but this less about shared culture than a confluence of strategic interests relating to perceived Chinese ambitions in the South China Sea. As for this article, I'm not against some cautious Anglosphere reference, (for example, "while some writers consider Australia a core member of an 'Anglosphere', since the 1980s Australia has become one of the world most multicultural societies with extensive cultural and defence ties with the US, Japan, India and other Asian nations." ). Australia tried to cuddle up to China in the early 21st century but that's gone sour and now Japan and India look like our new best friends in the region after the USA. Happy to discuss. Aemilius Adolphin (talk) 07:46, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

"The CDC recommended universal circumcision"

Why are you repeatedly inserting this baseless claim? This has never been the CDC position. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 14:31, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Responded on circumcision talk page. KlayCax (talk) 16:41, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

I think it's quite clear that your urology resources and professors have misrepresented the WHO/CDC position, intentionally or otherwise. You would do well to correct them that neither organisation has ever recommended "universal circumcision". I've searched both organisations' websites and found nothing close to what would amount to a routine recommendation, which would undoubtedly have created a media stir and contributed to widespread protest. There is no way that two organisations of their stature could make such a recommendation under the radar. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 11:58, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Edit Warring on Circumcision

Please self-revert. Reverting someone else who was blocked for edit warring is not a 3RR exemption. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:32, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

I didn't know that. My apologies.

I'll revert. @ScottishFinnishRadish:. What version to? KlayCax (talk) 14:58, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Just self revert your last revert, back to [12]. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:01, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Alright, just did. @ScottishFinnishRadish:. KlayCax (talk) 16:40, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

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United States

Hi, I've started a new section on the talk page and would greatly appreciate your input. Pizzigs (talk) 11:22, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

I'll respond within 2-3 hrs. (I'm busy and have to do something.)

Could you remove your additions to the lead (not body) for the time being? @Pizzigs:. Thanks. KlayCax (talk) 12:10, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

Sorry for not having replied earlier. Now all that content is moved to sections, but I hope something can be worked out to mention America's global influence in culture and technology. Pizzigs (talk) 12:58, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

Other countries' lead sections are a mess by the way, just check Italy, especially the last paragraph. Pizzigs (talk) 13:02, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

talk

speek 5.52.6.146 (talk) 00:40, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

Edit warring

 Please stop edit warring. Your behavior at the United States article disrupts Wikipedia's collaborative process.  — Freoh 21:38, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

 Seriously, stop edit warring. Your chronic disruption needs to stop [13] [14] [15] [16] [17] [18].  — Freoh 20:32, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

 I am going to discuss your behavior soon at AN/EW. I hope that uninvolved editors there can help clarify Wikipedia's edit warring policies for you.  — Freoh 20:18, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Copy pasting and images

Anyway you could read over WP:CANYOUREADTHIS and WP:COUNTRYGALLERIE. Moxy- 05:14, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

United States article

Unfortunately, the article is becoming a battleground with multiple editors consciously introducing their POV on a daily basis. Can something be done about that? I'm honestly tired of engaging in fruitless conversations with them because they simply ignore most of the points made by me and other editors. Pizzigs (talk) 18:45, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi, @Pizzigs:. Yes. The present article on the U.S. is very bad. Compare the Japan treatment of the country's respective atrocities during WWII to the U.S.

Japan's simply states:

Amidst a rise in militarism and overseas colonization, Japan invaded China in 1937 and entered World War II as an Axis power in 1941... On December 7–8, 1941, Japanese forces carried out surprise attacks on Pearl Harbor, as well as on British forces in Malaya, Singapore, and Hong Kong, among others, beginning World War II in the Pacific. Throughout areas occupied by Japan during the war, numerous abuses were committed against local inhabitants, with many forced into sexual slavery. After Allied victories during the next four years, which culminated in the Soviet invasion of Manchuria and the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945, Japan agreed to an unconditional surrender...

The United States article has been recently changed to have all of the worst aspects of U.S. history highlighted.

It's not a perfect estimate. But from my calculations:

United States's has around 400-500 "positive words" (vs. ~2,000 negative)

Japan's is 771 words positive. (vs. 360 words negative)

Canada's is 800 words positive. (vs. 278 words negative.) KlayCax (talk) 19:14, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

I'm a social democrat (in many ways more left-wing on economics than most Democrats) and was shocked at the bias.

I can't imagine American actions justify 7x more coverage in the U.S. article than in Japan's (or more closely) Canada's.

I'll write more after I get off of residency. KlayCax (talk) 19:04, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

Also:

• Compare the U.S.'s coverage during WWII to Japan's.
• How the American, Australian, and Canadian treatment of indigenous people is covered. (Considered by most historians to be roughly equitable. Canada's and Australia's minimizes it as a natural part of their respective histories. The United States article goes on a multiparagraph, detailed response to it that outpaces the entire American Revolution and Founding. (2x-3x when you count slavery)
• First Nation (Canada) inequalities are minimized in the article. Despite First Nations peoples farring either similar or worse than America on the metrics cited. See this chart.)

There's other problems as well. But these are the ones that immediately jumped out to me. The U.S. article has changed in a radically negative direction since 2016. KlayCax (talk) 19:22, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

Couldn't agree more. Another example is the coverage of slavery in the United Kingdom article (just a single paragraph in the history section): Britain played a leading part in the Atlantic slave trade, mainly between 1662 and 1807 when British or British-colonial slave ships transported nearly 3.3 million slaves from Africa. The slaves were taken to work on plantations in British possessions, principally in the Caribbean but also North America. Slavery coupled with the Caribbean sugar industry had a significant role in strengthening and developing the British economy in the 18th century. However, with pressure from the abolitionism movement, Parliament banned the trade in 1807, banned slavery in the British Empire in 1833, and Britain took a role in the movement to abolish slavery worldwide through the blockade of Africa and pressing other nations to end their trade with a series of treaties.

It is almost laudatory, with a huge emphasis on the government's role in ending slavery. Pizzigs (talk) 19:35, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

And this sentence is straightforward slavery apologia Slavery coupled with the Caribbean sugar industry had a significant role in strengthening and developing the British economy in the 18th century For the record, I'm not anti-British, but the systemic bias in this encyclopedia is highly unfortunate. Pizzigs (talk) 19:38, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

It's a full-on edit war over there. I posted some of your observations on the talk page, hope that's okay. Additionally, I provided support for a complete rewrite of the article. I'm not an American (and not an English speaker), but from what I understand the majority of negative edits are introduced by US-based users. It's an interesting phenomenon but not an unexpected one (at least to me), given that most Americans are so unaware of what's going on outside of their country that they're easily swayed into believing one of the extreme viewpoints (either America is the best country in the world or it is the absolutely worst one). And the truth is neither, which is why both positive and negative aspects of the country should be highlighted in an impartial way in the United States article instead of turning it into slavery –> genocide of the native population –> racism/Jim Crow –> 20th century "imperialism" –> 21th century wars and wealth/racial inequality. Correct me, if I'm wrong, but that's how I see it. Pizzigs (talk) 22:01, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

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United States article

Hi, I've been busy the last few days. As I see, the chance of having a rewrite option accepted by the majority of editors is quite slim. I replied to some of them, but that is unlikely to change their mind. As an option, I propose going section by section and introducing some of the content from the draft, especially to the history section, given that you have it almost completed in the draft. Pizzigs (talk) 00:13, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, that was my plan.

I think a lot of puff for the U.S. side could go as well. I'm planning on starting at 1820-1861 and then working from there. KlayCax (talk) 02:18, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

About that. Hi, I was recently pinged to an Edit Warring Notice board post about you. You seem to be doing a lot quickly, which is upsetting some editors. You might want to be careful to discuss changes on the talk page and gain consensus if you are reverted. You might want to plan ahead, and propose changes on the talk page and discuss before implementing them. Best -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 20:08, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Courtesy ping @ScottishFinnishRadish: -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 20:16, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

I, as usual, agree with another veggie-admin. You've been warned recently over edit warring, and absent a BLP violation there's really no reason for it. Please, in the future, try to restrict your reverts and immediately begin discussion on the talk page. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:19, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

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