User talk:Ksy92003/Archive-Apr2007
Your edit to User talk:A Man In Black
editThe person in the photograph in question, Richard Nixon, happens to be named Dick. And there is no such policy, although there are two other relevant pages you may wish to read: WP:NOT#CENSORED and WP:DICK. --tjstrf talk 17:52, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
Game Logs
editSorry about that, I just noticed the missing ". I neglected to include that in the script I wrote to generate the game logs. I'll be sure to change the game logs to reflect the correct alignment. Asian Animal 17:42, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
I think I fixed all of them, let me know if there is any I missed. :-D Happy Opening Day! Cheers! Asian Animal 18:06, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
I don't know if you are on Wikipedia today, but am wondering if we are finalized with the game log formats? I wanted to clean up WP:Baseball/game log since the season starts tomorrow and we are going to have people who are not familar with the logs poking around in them. — Steven Andrew Miller (talk) 21:12, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
Player Stats
editI was wondering how we're sorting batting stats. I'm assuming by batting avg. Asian Animal 06:03, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Which articles would you like me to cover for tonight? The game log or the templates? Have fun at the game, but BOO Angeles go back to the OC ^_^ Asian Animal 16:20, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Hey, do we need to include pitchers' hitting stats on the team pages? Thanks! Tomdaddy53 21:40, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
2007 articles
editSorry, but I'm trying to keep them up to date as quick as I can. Soxrock 23:06, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Ok. I must say though that I'll probably add some more articles to my responsibilities in the near future. Sorry for any confusion. Take care! Soxrock 23:12, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
2007 baseball seasons
editI'm not sure why you're against a prose style of writing in the 2007 articles. I'm not giving a summary of every game, just of the entire season. How else would you summarize the season and have it achieve good article status? This is entirely my goal and I do not see how it can achieve this without much writing in it at all. I was planning on developing a full-sized article. Wait for the season to end? I will trim where fit so the article is the proper length.
And also, you can make the lists sortable; I saw someone asked what to sort it by. Sort it by what you want!
| Player | G | AB | H | Avg. | HR | RBI |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Rickie Weeks | 1 | 4 | 1 | .250 | 0 | 0 |
| J.J. Hardy | 1 | 4 | 3 | .750 | 0 | 1 |
| Prince Fielder | 1 | 4 | 1 | .250 | 0 | 0 |
| Bill Hall | 1 | 4 | 1 | .250 | 1 | 2 |
| Johnny Estrada | 1 | 3 | 2 | .667 | 0 | 1 |
| Geoff Jenkins | 1 | 3 | 1 | .333 | 0 | 2 |
| Corey Hart | 1 | 4 | 1 | .250 | 0 | 0 |
| Craig Counsell | 1 | 3 | 0 | .000 | 0 | 1 |
| Ben Sheets | 1 | 4 | 0 | .000 | 0 | 0 |
See how that works? Just add class="wikitable sortable" instead of wikitable.++aviper2k7++ 23:57, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
- As per the 2007 baseball season: The reason that I changed (or added) to them was that many teams changed or added radio and TV stations as well as some new owners. I used the March 28 issue of USA TODAY Sports Weekly for the TV changes as well as some of the team history articles for the owners. I do not know about any other radio stations that changed their flagships, though there may be a few of them in the individual history pages. Hope this clears up any confusion as well as adding (or changing) the links to their wikipages. NoseNuggets 10:55 AM US EDT Apr 3 2007
- It's just TV and radio stations. BTW, I did fix a couple broken links on a page, but I will not add stats or anything else, and updated all teams from the "future sports" template to the "current sports" templates. NoseNuggets 4:41 PM US EDT Apr 3 2007
- Quoting Dora La Exploradora, "De nada." NoseNuggets 4:51 PM US EDT Apr 3 2007
MLB game logs
editI saw your note in the edit summary regarding the (11) that I posted next to the score of a game to signify 11 innings. You say that "We aren't including extra innings. OT doesn't have the same significance it does in other sports, like hockey, where OT determines how many pts a team gets. not in baseball however". I have a question here: Who is the "we" involved in this? I see that the WikiProject removed the OT column, but I don't see anything that says to not add the innings to the score column. Given that this is a wiki, are not all things subject to edit, as long as we do no harm? In theory, if I am (or a small group of people are) willing to do this and keep it updated and it doesn't damage the table or negatively impact the readability, why not? Please respond here on this page, as I have this on my watchlist. --After Midnight 0001 15:01, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- On the flip side of the coin, do you see anything that says to add the extra innings ni the score column? The reason why I don't feel that the extra innings are necessary is because the amount of innings it takes to play the game doesn't have any effect on anything. In hockey, it is vital to include this because an OT or SO game still gives a standings point to the team which loses. This is not the case in baseball. Plus, the column is headed "score", which does not include how many innings it takes to play the game. If you would like to discussion regarding this topic, go ahead. But I don't feel that it is crucial enough to include these numbers in the tables. Ksy92003 23:08, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Please do not assume ownership of articles. If you aren't willing to allow your contributions to be edited extensively or be redistributed by others, please do not submit them. Thank you. DXRAW 00:58, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- Your edit summary "see this was changed again. please stop, you stupid anon. you aren't even supposed to be editing this page because of the team pages signup sheet. i'm responsible for this page, not u, whoever u r" Can be seen as both WP:OWN & WP:PA Also it says under every edit box "If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly or redistributed by others, do not submit it." DXRAW 01:33, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
How to handle players not qualified for postseason awards
editThere are some days when a certain player would be qualified for postseason awards, but then lose eligibility the next day. How would one handle these players (i.e. relief pitchers)? I am sure we need to put this somewhere on the project page as well. --Willy No1lakersfan (Talk - Contribs) 22:04, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- Your answer works with me, but what I really want to know is if for instance player X is benched due to injury and misses 2 weeks, and no longer has 3 plate appearances per game. Does that mean his stats should be erased from the page and put back at the end of the season? I am sorry if I confused you before. --Willy No1lakersfan (Talk - Contribs) 23:22, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
Game Logs, me
edit1. I prefer not to make an account because I hate logging in every time I open a new window. It f***ing pisses me off. It's ten times easier not to log in, and anyway, why does it matter?
2. Why crunch the records into the form 4-1 when there's plenty of space in the record column to spread it out with some nice spaces? It just looks stupid to me. But whatever. If you want, continue doing that on the Angels game log, and I'll continue doing it my way on the other 29.
--69.201.134.220 14:37, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi, you left me a message regarding the fact that you had prodded this article. I'm not sure why you notified me of this, I did make a minor edit to this article but I wasn't the creator of it or a major contributor.
However, as it turns out, I actually am interested in this. I see that you prodded 2030s and 2020s as well. But note that we also have 2050s, 2060s, and so on, as well as articles for individual years, such as 2063. I'd just as soon have them all deleted, myself, as they all violate WP:NOT#CRYSTALBALL, and there is nothing worth saying in any of them. It won't make any sense to delete some of them and not all of them, and whoever notices that we have some decades or years but not others will recreate them, so either they're all going to stay, or they're all going to get deleted.
I find it to be highly doubtful that you'll be able to get away with deleting them all via Prod, probably it will require some sort of AfD debate of the entire mass of them, which will be controversial and attract large amounts of arguement on both sides. --Xyzzyplugh 16:29, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
- For now, I'll just wait and see if those articles you Prodded do end up getting deleted. If they do, perhaps I'll put Prod tags on all the others. My prediction is that someone will remove the Prod tags, but we shall see. --Xyzzyplugh 16:55, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
Records
editFine, it doesn't matter that much. I just think it looks better spaced out. That's a perfectly legitimate reason. I never said I own the articles, so I don't know where you got that from. And honestly, I wasn't being at all combative in my previous comment and you were in yours. If you want to stoop to such argumentative tactics, then I won't argue with you over something that I just don't care that much about. Have fun reverting trivial edits for the rest of your life.
As for making an account, I don't really feel welcome in your little circle, and I'm happy doing this the way I have been for months.
Numbering of games in game logs
editI know this is going to become a question sooner or later, so let me ask it now. When games are postponed for whatever reason, and are made up later, how does it affect the numbering in the game log? I know this is going become an issue in the game logs for Seattle and Cleveland, because of he amount of games they have had postponed to snow in the past couple days. If you could help me sort this out I would greatly appreciate it. --Willy No1lakersfan (Talk - Contribs) 15:01, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks for taking care of the issue. I am sure this will not be the only time something like this comes up, but at least for now I know that you have it under control. --Willy No1lakersfan (Talk - Contribs) 15:17, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Baltimore Orioles game log
editI don't think you need to link it for every single game. I think it only needs to be done for once a series. Kingjeff 22:11, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
I've started discussing it on the page for game logs. Kingjeff 22:23, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Sorry about those reverts. But I have a vendeta against this banned user. Kingjeff 22:45, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
He's evading a ban. check here for the details. Kingjeff 22:53, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
He's evading a ban. You might want to check this out. In paticular his early edits. Kingjeff 22:59, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Right now it's only his edits I'm worried about. Kingjeff 23:05, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Table Sort
editI believe that many of the editors had already implemented the feature. As seen above User:aviper2k7 has suggested the feature a week ago. There seem to be a unspoken general consensus regarding the feature. This edit was a relatively minor change which was made to standardize the other pages. I didn't discuss this page because the feature does not diminish any aspect of the page, it only adds to it. In the future I'll made sure I mention it in the talk page first. Asian Animal 19:19, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
We have had this discussion before
editAnd you are just as wrong now as you were then. I'm quite willing to add back commentary on the season for every time you delete it. It is the height of pointlessness to have an article about the 2007 St. Louis Cardinals season with no commentary on the actual season. Take that out and all you have is a game log, and there are a thousand other places on the Internet where you can find game logs. Vidor 01:18, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
However, I don't think it's appropriate to talk about particular games in the articles.--I do. Odd, that. If you write stuff about one game, then you'd have to write it about every single game, all 162 of them.--Ridiculous. Obviously false. Allow me to refer you to the word highlight, and one of its definitions: an important, conspicuous, memorable, or enjoyable event, scene, part, or the like. So, you know, a season writeup will have highlights. Highlights will include individual games that are important, dramatic, or memorable. I will continue to write about individual games, because it's entirely appropriate when writing a summary article about a season, and it makes the article more interesting. Vidor 04:19, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
- Seems like I had the same problem.++aviper2k7++ 04:33, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
- What problem are you referring to, aviper2k7? I'm sorry, I'm sure it's really obvious but at 9:36 PM my mind is somewhere else. --04:36, 10 April 2007 (UTC)Ksy92003
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2007 Tampa Bay Devil Rays Season: Batters
editTo avoid a giant list of revisions on the history of edits, I figured I'd just talk to you here.
What does it matter that Jonny, Josh, Carlos, and Brendan don't qualify for the batting title? They're players on the team that have official at-bats for the team, and that would make them eligible to have places in the article. If they are eligible to be included in the statistics for the team's website, it wouldn't make much sense for them not to be in a wikipedia article about how the entire team has done throughout the season. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tampabay721 (talk • contribs) 21:17, 11 April 2007 (UTC).
- Okay, I got it now. I was using MLB.com. I saw on the page that I'm supposed to use ESPN.com, but I didn't see much difference. My bad. Tampabay721 21:44, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
2007 Cleveland Indians game log
editThanks for doing the first four games for me. I was on vacation. I'm back and able to keep it up to date now. Tytrain 21:57, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Miller Park series comments
editPlease read my comments on Talk:2007 Cleveland Indians season and reply if possible. Mapsax 22:04, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
- This may seem long-winded, but bear with me My basis of adding the extra comments/material (which I also added to Miller Park) is to distinguish this event, which is prompting a wholesale official look at MLB schedule-making with respect to cold-weather non-dome teams, from others. The intensity and longevity of the snow event was the problem, not just the snow itself. The addition would explain to readers why this particular event was such a catalyst to what has come of it, since most people familiar with U.S. geography probably know that it snows a lot and heavily at times in Cleveland, even outside winter, and might wonder why all what's happening is happening now but didn't happen in the past in similar weather situations. Lake-effect is unpredictable sometimes, even by meteorologists, and in fact the latter part of the cancelled opener had snow which wasn't predicted to fall then, especially in an area which usually doesn't get much, causing confusion within the clubs and the grounds crew and leading to what we have now with MLB-wide discussions. It's also to include a reliable, third-party source (the NWS). It's not absolutely necessary, but I don't see how it detracts from the article, either. I understand why you might object to weather reports/conditions being referenced for any game where they are not condusive to ideal field conditions, because it would make the article too unwieldy and unfocused, but in this case it seems that the precise conditions created what's come of all this, distinguishing it from just a run-of-the-mill snowstorm (which is what "heavy snow" with no qualifiers implies to me), which probably wouldn't have mattered much to anyone except those involved with the Indians and Mariners. Mapsax 22:41, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
- (See also Talk:2007 Cleveland Indians season) I think I have a compromise. I just edited Winter storms of 2006–07; since those lake-effect bursts were notorious, it seems that they should be mentioned on that page because they affected the MLB organization (not just the Indians), just as the type of snow should be mentioned in the context of sports. I'll pipe-link "heavy snow" to that article, so that won't change the wording of the '07 Indians article at all (I already did the equivalent to Miller Park). If this is rejected, I'll just leave it alone then. Just remember what "Wikipedia:List of policies" says at the link to Wikipedia:Ownership of articles: "You agreed to allow others to modify your work. So let them." I think what I've decided here is fair. Mapsax 20:41, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
But I am doing it to make the article better
editAnd your actions make the article worse, as most of your edits seem to be fixated on removing pertinent information from articles and making those articles worse. I have no intention of infuriating you. I have, however, read over this discussion page and noticed that you are being as high-handed and dictatorial with other team articles as you have been with mine. I do not know why you do what you do but you seem to regard yourself as in charge of all these articles. Go ahead and report me if you like. I will in turn point to the discussion page where everybody but you agrees that including extra innings in game logs is necessary and useful. Then I'll point out your determination to inflict your will on a majority that disagrees with you. Vidor 18:58, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
- Well, I added that bit about the Cleveland Indians snow as part of my desire to protect other articles, not just my own, from your heavy-handed, dictatorial edits, which I now see have occurred in many different pages. But if you insist, I'll leave that one alone. Vidor 19:06, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
And what other pages did you mean when you said "I now see have occurred in many different pages"?--The pages for other teams that I have gone back and edited. The disputes you've had with other users, very similar to the disputes you've had with me, that are quoted right here on this very page. Vidor 19:20, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
what pages specifically, and what were the edits that I made to the articles in question?--The game logs, in which you have been going around and removing extra-innings notes from multiple game logs. That's useful info and everyone else on the general discussion page that's commented has agreed. The articles in which you have been removing commentary about individual games for no good reason, including not only the article I was contributing to, but the Milwaukee Brewers summary that aviper2k added to (and which he mentioned having "a similar problem" as mine with you on this page), and the Cleveland Indians page where you removed the mention of "lake effect" snow. All similar patterns where you seem to have this urge to delete any reference to a specific game, even if that specific game is clearly noteworthy, as Opening Day games are. Vidor 19:43, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Vidor
editMotion picture director King Vidor, who made a lot of very good movies, especially in the silent movie era. Vidor 22:06, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Player Stats
editI am going to revert 2007 Washington Nationals season and 2007 Kansas City Royals season back to the version that includes the stats. We allowed for a week of discussion, which is not over yet. Fbdave 21:17, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Baseball
editWhy are the batters and pitchers statistics deleted? I also want to know how your username can be shown on the Wikipedia:WikiProject Baseball/2007 MLB team articles because I have been editing a lot of 2007 MLB related articles. 55555five55555 21:27, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
I found out that there aren't only one name on the Wikipedia:WikiProject Baseball/2007 MLB team articles article. Even though I found out that I don't know what to do because I edit any baseball article that isn't updated yet even though I like the Dodgers and Angels the most. 55555five55555 21:56, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Johan Santana Image
editPlease don't take off the Johan Santana image I took of him speaking on Venezuelan radio. I disagree with you that "the image doesn't help". It's been on Wikipedia for nearly two years, and I don't see one on the web anywhere that's like it. I spend a lot of time and money going to these games to take photographs so that Wikipedia will have some truly free baseball images, and not resort to fair use. Thank you, Googie Man 21:34, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Disputes
editPlease settle disputes in the talk page instead of edit summaries. On this page: 2007 Milwaukee Brewers season, you deleted an entire section without a reason. Also, avoid instruction creep. These articles don't have to be exactly the same. I'm not sure where you're getting this idea, especially when you're deleting sourced information and ignoring Wikipedia article guidelines such as WP:LEAD.++aviper2k7++ 22:19, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
- The section I removed wasn't necessary. First, it isn't at all important to know that they are giving away bobbleheads or that they hosted the showing of a movie. Second, the 50th anniversary of the Milwaukee Braves world series win belongs in the Atlanta Braves article, as it is their team. The current edit I recently made should be good enough. --Ksy92003 22:36, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
- There's a source and there's reunions and they have aniversary patches and are making a big deal about it. Do you want me to find more sources on it? Or maybe you can actually edit an article for once instead of deleting everything and making it look like shit so you can look superior.++aviper2k7++ 22:43, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
- It's two paragraphs that are sourced. Big fucking addition am I right? There must not be any room for that?!++aviper2k7++ 22:45, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
- Still, even if it is sourced, the information about the bobbleheads isn't necessary. I guess the part about the Milwaukee Braves is, but not the bobbleheads. I made one more edit keeping all of the same information in except for the part about the bobbleheads, as it isn't necessary, despite being on a website. This article is about the season, which doesn't really involve the fact that they're giving away bobbleheads to every friday game. Earlier this season, on April 3, the Angels had a Tim Salmon bobblehead give-away. Do you think that needs to be in the Angels article?
- And also, please be civil. Need I remind you that I'm a 16-yr old boy and I don't use that kind of language? --Ksy92003 23:07, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Houston/Chicago
editThe Astros do not want to play the make-up game on the 12th of July cause it will cut their All-Star break short. They want it to be played on the 11th of June, right after they play the White Sox. So the make-up is TBD. HouAstros1989 (talk • contribs) 00:37, 14 April 2007 (UTC).
2007 Washington Nationals Editor
editHi, I noticed that the position for editor for the 2007 Washington Nationals was empty, so I put my name in. I hope that's alright, I'm a huge Nats fan and if you need someone for that position I would love to help and I have been maintaining the game log. Iwould also be interested in the Orioles, but I see you already have someone for that spot. Joe 15:33, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Wild Card
editWild Card Templates? You've got to be kidding me. Deletion is where that template belongs. I've responded to your comment on the Wikiproject Talk page. I am going to leave a comment on HouAstros page to comment on why we need such a thing. Hornberry 23:04, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Later on, I will nominate it for tfd. (Templates for deletion). Hornberry 15:31, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Nominated it. Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2007 April 15. I won't be around for a while because I'm going to the Dodgers vs Padres game tonight. It's the Game of the Week. I would like you to vote there, but as I said if you have questions I won't be around. Hornberry
Thanks
editThanks for fixing the template, I always seem to leave something over when I copy and modify... ;) --Borgardetalk 02:42, 17 April 2007 (UTC)