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Endrid Bookling Notability Issue

Hello so I saw you wrote "Hello, Tgec17, If you want Endrid Bookling in the main space, could you clean it up and make it less likely to be subject to deletion?"

My Reply: I'm sorry but I don't really understand what the notability issue is, no one ever made an attempt to explain it and I'm not seeing any issue with the article. It sites a solid source with page numbers and provides plenty of information about Endrid. In my opinion the worst you could call the article is a stub but there is not lack of notability. Endrid is part of an important period in Norwegian history which is quite appallingly covered on Wikipedia and the article adds a good amount of reliable knowledge about an important person in this under-covered time period.

A cup of tea for you!

You wrote, "If you'd like, I could userfy this article or restore it and put it in Draft space where you could work on it and submit it to AFC. Articles that are put directly into main space of the project are judged by different standards than drafts. Liz Read! Talk! 05:08, 27 June 2021 (UTC)" My reply: Thank you Liz, if we could do something to keep the door open ajar to the room for improvement. :D It doesn't have to be submitted right away. I just don't want to give up all hope. :) Right now I'm practicing editing other articles. I know creating a first article (especially of a living person) is not recommended right away, so I can put it on the backburner. Or someone else could write it better, perhaps. I don't know what to do. :O Could creating a page about the book itself be an alternative?Follow.your.inner.heroes.2.the.work.you.love.2021 (talk) 01:59, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Follow.your.inner.heroes.2.the.work.you.love.2021,

First, thank you for the tea! Second, just know that this offer as good as long as I'm around. Different admins have different approaches to these matters.

But I think it might be wise for you to get more experience first. And know that there are places you can go for support, I was a frequent visitor to the Teahouse when I first started editing regularly and there are hundreds of WikiProjects if you have a particular area of interest you'd like to work in. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:04, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Gotcha. I'm interested in the Children's Literature categories. :-) p.s. can anyone still help edit this page here, even though it's kinda tucked away within my page, and was originally "rejected"? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Travis_Ruskus:_The_Rock_Balancer%27s_Guide) They thought it had too many of his own quotes and stuff. I like that part personally, but I'm new here so I'm not used to how things work. It seems like a lot of Wikipedia articles that are already officially posted are asking for improvement in essential elements, for example, citations. At least mine isn't using plagiarism. :D — Preceding unsigned comment added by Follow.your.inner.heroes.2.the.work.you.love.2021 (talk • contribs) 02:32, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Continuing civility issues with AdhiOK

I just noticed this personal attack by AdhiOK (talk · contribs) against Zsukiman (talk · contribs). I was going to go warn them, and then saw that the most recent thread on their talk page is a block you made a few weeks ago for a now-revdelled comment at User talk:14.1.217.198, which from context I infer was similarly incivil. They also seem to have reverted at least 12 edits by Zsukiman without summary. Zsukiman has some apparent competence issues, and it's true that Zsukiman's most recent edit was a false statement, so that perhaps slightly mitigates AdhiOK's conduct... But I figured, this close to the last block, better to bring to you than to just warn. -- Tamzin (she/they) | o toki tawa mi. 05:34, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Tamzin,

I'm logging off for the night but I left a warning. Thanks for removing that comment. I'll keep an eye on AdhiOK from now on. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:43, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. I went and restored most of the 12 Zsukiman edits, and left AdhiOK a follow-up warning about using summaries when reverting. Now off to go warn Zsukiman about misusing protection templates. -- Tamzin (she/they) | o toki tawa mi. 05:46, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Adam Ragusea

Hi Liz—I noticed you deleted Adam Ragusea and the associated redirects after an expired PROD. The PROD nominator claimed he's non-notable, but a very quick WP:BEFORE turns up plenty of notability-qualifying sources: [1][2][3][4]. Would you mind undeleting the page and redirects? Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 01:11, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Sdkb,

 Done. Contested PRODs are restored upon editor request. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:18, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! The redirects to the page are Ragusea, Adam and The Pub (podcast). As a broader question, is there anything we could change about process to make it easier to restore redirects? I feel like this sort of situation happens all the time, where a page is deleted, then restored, and unless someone is paying close attention, all the redirects to it get lost in the process. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 02:35, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

No, I don't know of an easy way to track down redirects unless the deleting admin (me) goes to my Deletion log and sees what redirects Twinkle deleted when I deleted the page. But not all (or even many) admins use Twinkle for page deletions so in those cases the broken redirects would show up at User:AnomieBOT III/Broken redirects and a different admin (or the AnomieBOT III) would take care of them.

If I can ask, how did you come to know these pages were redirects? Did you look through the Deletion log? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:46, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

I knew about The Pub (podcast) since I created it and it showed up on my watchlist; the other I found by looking through your deletion log. Thanks for the explanation; I think I'll bring this up at WP:BOTN and see if we can get a bot going that restores redirects to recreated pages. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 06:24, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

{{expand language}}

I rerfrained from speedy deleting Joan Ferrés Curós which you had listed for A7 after checking the sidebar and seeing the very extensive article on the deWP. I marked it for expansion/translation. DGG ( talk ) 05:45, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Well, thank you for putting in the extra time to uncover what I didn't see, DGG. This is an example of why there should be two sets of eyes reviewing most speedy deletion requests. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:55, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

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Sandbox G8

Mind restoring User:Tamzin/sandbox? I was testing out some redirect stuff, and must have left it pointed to a nonexistent page by accident. Thanks. -- Tamzin (she/they) | o toki tawa mi. 17:53, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Tamzin,

 Done. Yes, broken redirects appear on a list and either an admin or bot will delete the page if we can't find an obvious solution like the correct page for the redirect to point to. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:59, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

Eric Adams in searches

Thank you for removing references to newly deleted articles from the Eric Adams disambiguation page. However, now when I type Eric Adams into the Wikipedia search bar, no page autofills as it has done in the past. It seems like there would be at least three pages that show up: the disambiguation page, the politician's page, and the musician's page. I thought I'd mention this in case you had any insight into what might have caused the issue. Thank you! Shoestringnomad (talk) 21:10, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Shoestringnomad,

First, I have no idea how the Wikipedia search function works. But when I typed in "Eric Adam" in the search bar, all three pages are in the drop down list of what is shown to me, along with Eric Adam Avery and the talk pages of the Eric Adams articles. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:15, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. They're still not showing in my drop down list, but if they are for you, that's good enough! Must be some quirk of Wikipedia that will iron itself out. Shoestringnomad (talk) 01:46, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Are you on a mobile device? I'm on a laptop and the results might differ. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:47, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

July corner

June continued ... last year's flowers match the image on the user page nicely, see? - DYK that her last reply to me was in a thread Green for hope? - The DYK set in honour of Yoninah appeared yesterday, including Psalm 85, with the kiss of justice and peace - we wrote that together.

Fourth of July: Brian's birthday, remembered in gratitude for his unfailing inspiration and support - remember the Chapel - the missed - the music? - Can I interest you in a user's first FAC, Carillon? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:12, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

More music: 2 songs, the morning song - about rising from being down, in more than one sense - is a GA, - there should be more given my initials, but I also want to care for articles of those who recently died (now Esther Béjarano). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:50, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Article instead of template

Thank you for deleting the article 'Railway stations in Hambleton'. Truly an awful mistake on my part, perfectly remedied by you. I bet you don't get many "thank you for deleting my article" notifications? Regards. The joy of all things (talk) 21:54, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, The joy of all things,

Well, it's easy when the author requests deletion of a page they created and no other editors contributed to it. You can always get it restored as a redirect should you wish to. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:58, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

No thanks; twas embarrassing enough the first time around. The joy of all things (talk) 22:02, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

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Repeated recreations by COI editor

Hi, Liz. Could you please have a word with RedX8? I've moved their article twice today into draftspace (here and here) due to their admitted (to their credit) conflict of interest with the article's subject. COI editors are meant to go through the AfC process, as I've explained on their talk page. They've ignored that and have recreated the page at Abdullah Sulaiman Al Rajhi.

Yours, Sdrqaz (talk) 19:25, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

(Now taken to the dramaboard by Laplorfill, so by the time you see this message it may have been resolved). Sdrqaz (talk) 19:36, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Abdullah Sulaiman Al Rajhi

How can a page of an influential figure in the field of money exchange in the Arab world be unwanted on Wikipedia on the pretext that it is not neutral Although it does not contain any glorification of the person, only the tasks and functions that are included in it throughout his career with some activities on the human and social level. I do not know where the error is. Will you allow me some time and tell me where the error lies? Is there a paragraph or a title that is not natural? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdullah_Sulaiman_Al_Rajhi — Preceding unsigned comment added by RedX8 (talk • contribs) 20:23, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, RedX8,

It all comes down to the sourcing. If you have reliable secondary sources to back up your claim that he is influential, you be able to persuade people that this is accurate. If you don't have a strong caliber of independent sources, the page might be deleted. I encourage you to submit a draft to Articles for Creation for an experienced reviewers to give you their opinion, they are kind of the experts on this subject. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:04, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you!

Thanks for unprotecting that old page. I was a bit confused by the message also. I tried to use Twinkle to CSD the main article (which was a redirect), but since it was protected, Twinkle posted the message to the talk page then posted a message in my voice saying that I wanted that. I get why it did that but I guess I have never tried to delete a protected page before. Blue Rasberry (talk) 01:56, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Twinkle sometimes does strange things. I just discovered that if I want to notify a page creator that I'm deleting a page they blanked, even if I check the box saying to notify them, they won't get a notification because Twinkle assumes if they blanked the page, they know it will be deleted. I asked on the Twinkle talk page if they could change that but, well, we'll see. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:00, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I find Twinkle's ideas concerning informing page creators of deletions are counterintuitive in several ways, and since I can't always be sure what will happen I have disabled automatic informing of page creators in my Twinkle preferences, and if I think a message would be helpful I do it manually. I confess, though, that like Twinkle I tend to assume that an editor who has blanked a page doesn't want it, and so I usually don't inform them. Maybe that's a mistake. I don't know. JBW (talk) 11:17, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Murda Bizness

The article Murda Biznes needs to be deleted the page Murda Bizness already exists and is a redirect as well. Having that article as well is just redundant, also it’s an orphan article it’s not linked to any other pages on Wiki. No one is trying to “edit war” with you though. I do not know how to propose it at WP:RFD so if you think that’s the better option you should do it than.1Sire (talk) 02:05, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Indeed.

Appreciated; I was at a loss for how to respond. Shibbolethink has a massive, disclosed, conflict of interest regarding this alleged hoax. That wasn't reasonable, but IIRC, he can be. He has linked to Gain of Function research publications about, IIUC, his own GoF work. I fear there will be more drama and could use some help talking about this while avoiding harassing or being a victim of harassment. He has recently voluntarily posted this information / links to this information, on English Wikipedia.

Also, I'm still having a hard time understanding how speaking about a specific person's alleged lack of competence and derangedness is not ad hominem merely because that person's writings are a source. I think I've been told that 4 times, by 2 users, approximately. Clarification invited. Doesn't speak to the action not the person apply?

Also, can you move it? It should be in user, not user talk space, e.g. to User:50.201.195.170/Essays/Lab_Leak_Theory_Reasonable but I can't move it.

--50.201.195.170 (talk) 22:03, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi IP, it's usually customary to tag users when talking about them on talk pages. You can do so with this template. I would appreciate if you did so in the future when discussing whether I have a conflict of interest.

I do not believe being a PhD-trained virologist or having an informed expert opinion about the likelihood of the lab leak is a valid COI. I stand to gain nothing from the lab leak theory being proven wrong. I stand to lose nothing from it being proven right, except that my assessment of likelihoods would have been shown incorrect. I love it when I'm shown an error in my own reasoning. it means my reasoning abilities are able to become stronger as a result, when I incorporate that feedback. I would urge you to adopt this same attitude about being proven wrong. It's much healthier in my experience.

I also do not edit in such a way that I push that POV in exclusion of other valid POVs. I am interested only in editing articles to show DUE content in a NPOV fashion, based on RSes. Most editors usually have an opinion one way or another about the content they edit. The key to being a good wiki editor is not letting it affect you in heated discussions. I don't profess to be perfect at this, as I believe no one is. But I do profess to be someone who tries awfully hard to do it.

I do not work in high security biosafety viruses any longer, I've moved on to doing more work with viruses/vaccines as putative treatments of other disorders, namely cancer. So again, I do not stand to gain or lose anything monetarily from this. Having an educated opinion based on years of study is valuable, I'm not sure why you would want to attribute a COI to me except that you appear to disagree with my edits. I would urge you to criticize those edits, rather than attempt to pin a COI where many other users have agreed there is none.

I have not linked to publications about my own work in reference to gain-of-function in article space, so I'm not quite sure what you're referencing there. I have not used my own work to cite anything on wikipedia except, I believe, once where it was appropriate in the COVID-19 misinformation article in a section about Antibody-dependent enhancement (a topic which formed 1/3 of my dissertation and about which I have published several peer-reviewed manuscripts in scientific journals).

I do sincerely believe your user space essay does not belong on wikipedia, but I don't really have the energy or motivation to put it to MfD, so I'm really just going to move on with my life, and I suggest you do the same. Good luck. I hope you find what you're looking for here.--Shibbolethink ^{(♔ ♕)} 23:41, 7 July 2021 (UTC)(edited 00:05, 8 July 2021 (UTC))

50.201.195.170, I have moved your essay to your User page at your request. But I wouldn't be surprised if it was tagged for deletion since this has been such a controversial subject on Wikipedia over the past year. At least at a MFD discussion, you'll be able to present your opinion of why it should be kept.

I think Shibbolethink has offered you a very thoughtful and considered response. If you have evidence of any activity you believe is editorial misconduct, the Wikipedia standard is to present evidence of this in the form of edits, or "diffs", so an admin can see examples of the exact behavior you find problematic. Often, the collaborative response is to try to talk this out rather than rush to sanctions. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:01, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

See my comments at 50.201.195.170's talkpage, also see WP:ANI#Enforcement of actual policies - apropos ivermectin, lab leak theory etc., started by 50.201.195.170,. Note especially Alexbrn's comments to follow up - these aspersions by 50.201.195.170 are not a new phenomenon or a one-off. I didn't realize it was the same editor as the one I encountered in February until I looked deeper and realized that not much has changed. Acroterion (talk) 02:57, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the details, Acroterion. Once I went over to their talk page to respond, I could see from the messages there that this situation was more complicated than what they presented to me here. And you clearly know more about their history than I did. In hindsight, I should have looked at their contribution history before responding. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:02, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

I understand why you were startled by my response, it definitely appears abrupt in the context of the above conversation. Once I investigated and went through the ANI discussion, I realized that we were seeing a bigger problem. Acroterion (talk) 03:08, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

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Copyvio

Hi Liz, I just created a page, Killing of Muawanatul Chasanah. Another user, Celestina007, tagged it because she believes it contains significant copyright violations of one of the article's sources. I checked with the Earwig Detector and it said that the only significant material was a short quote from a lawyer involved in the case-- I gave proper attribution to the lawyer and cited my source. I didn't want to bring this up with Celestina for fear of sounding ungrateful; I know all she wants is to make the article better. But I felt as if I needed to tell someone, since I don't feel as if the revdel template is warranted. Thanks for hearing me out. Helen(💬📖) 00:03, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Helen,

The Earwig copyright tool shows the quote you used but in its report, it doesn't indicated that it's been cited which it has been. But I rev'deleted the versions before your change just to be safe and removed the copyright tag. Most of the Rev deletion I do have to do with BLP violating material, not copyright issues.

Asking questions of other editors doesn't have to be confrontational along as you are just asking for clarification and not hurling accusations (which you are not). I hope this resolves your problem. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:24, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Deletion of Institute for Latin American Studies

Hello and thank you for your work for improving Wikipedia. Unfortunately, you have deleted the article that I started for Institute for Latin American Studies just one day after it was tagged as unsuitable. There was no time for me to improve the page with required secondary references. I regret that you have made this decision and would like to hear what was your reasoning behind your decision to delete the article without letting anyone time to improve it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Morewilling (talk • contribs) 00:29, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, unidentified person,

I didn't delete an article, I just deleted a redirect. You can find the article at Draft:Institute for Latin American Studies. Wikipedia doesn't permit redirects from the main space of the project to Draft space so it was deleted. If you looked at the deleted page, you would have seen all of this information. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:28, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Dear Liz, thanks for your response. It's nice that you decided not to delete this article before it was completed. Have you ever, though, thought that your arrogance is - while so helpful to Wikipedia readers - quite offputting to many of us who have just began to add information to Wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Morewilling (talk • contribs) 00:33, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

I'm going to butt in here, because Liz is probably too polite to respond. Morewilling, you need to look at the history of your page and see who moved the page into draftspace: Liz didn't do that. Before accusing others of "arrogance", please read our policy on personal attacks. Sdrqaz (talk) 00:42, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

I do understand the policy and I am not here to argue, but I do think that the tone of you Wikipedia masters could probably be nicer and maybe a bit more explanatory. Not all of us have been around for a long time or know the technical details. For me it seemed like the page has been removed - and I have noticed that I was wrong, as I could edit the draft. Thank you for that and Liz, I do apologize for my false accusation. I will continue to improve the draft, but unfortunately it will not be easy to use many secondary references for a publicly funded research institution which is not very popular in media etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Morewilling (talk • contribs) 01:02, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Morewilling,

You were informed of all of this on your user talk page, User talk:Morewilling#Institute for Latin American Studies moved to draftspace. This should not have been a surprise. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:16, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for this information. I did not even know that this kind of page existed. I have been (anonymously mostly) updating Wikipedia in other languages and it seems like here in English-speaking Wikipedia you have quite strict rules for creating and publishing articles. Maybe a bit too strict. I think I'm returning to other language versions but thanks for your responses.

A revdel request

Hi Liz, I saw your name on a list of admins willing to assist with revision deletion. Wondering if you could help out with one. On the page Gary Rogers the IP editor 84.203.101.68 made an edit that contained some very degrading accusations against a BLP. It is the most recent edit they made to the page, and it is the one that Philipnelson99 reverted. I was wondering if you could redact it, since it falls firmly under Criterion 2. Thank you. Helen(💬📖) 19:53, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Helen,

 Done I deleted all of their contributions to the article. Thanks for catching that and bringing it to my attention. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:59, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

DYK cleanup request

Liz, thanks for all of your deletions of my nominations of leftover DYK template pages that weren't really templates, etc.

I'm writing to see whether you can combine two pages into one and leave the proper template in the correct place. Here's how things stand:

• The actual nomination template is at the wrong name: Template:Did you know nominations/1984 All-Big Ten Conference football team: Revision history. Yes, ": Revision history" was somehow made part of the nomination page's name, and it was nominated, approved, and promoted at that name
• There is a single edit at the expected (and desired) template page name, which is Template:Did you know nominations/1984 All-Big Ten Conference football team: this is the actual approval review by Wikicology
• Subsequent to the approval review, MichaelQSchmidt copied Wikicology's review into the main nomination template with this edit.

Is there a way for you to merge the two pages so that Wikicology's edit appears in the history before MichaelQSchmidt's, and make sure that the only surviving page is Template:Did you know nominations/1984 All-Big Ten Conference football team? (I don't think leaving a redirect at the wrong name, Template:Did you know nominations/1984 All-Big Ten Conference football team: Revision history, would be useful, but I'll let you decide that.)

Thank you very much for anything you can do on this one. Please let me know when you're done (or if a merge isn't possible). BlueMoonset (talk) 20:27, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, BlueMoonset,

Ay, yah yah! I've only done two history merges and they were very simple, short and straightforward pages (they might even have been drafts). I get nervous about merging pages because I don't want any information to be deleted. And templates make me hesitate even more because any changes on one can affect so many other pages.

I'd recommend you posting your request at Wikipedia:Requests for history merge where some of the admins who patrol there can handle the nuances of your request. I'll ping Anthony Appleyard and Primefac who I know help out there.

Sorry not to help you here but the first rule in these things is "Do no harm" and I can't guarantee that would happen if I tried this out. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:42, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Liz, that's fine. I'm always very cautious in areas I'm not familiar with. I'll wait to see whether Anthony Appleyard or Primefac respond to the ping and if they can help. If they're busy, I'll go to the requests page in a few days and post there. Thanks for the quick response. (I've just made what should be my last deletion requests from those old DYK template pages: a few G6s and a G12.) BlueMoonset (talk) 21:15, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

So... the short answer is "not really", at least from a continuity perspective.

If I were to merge these two pages, here is what you'd see in the edit history: This diff, followed by this diff, followed by this diff. Basically, it would look like Wikicology blanked the page and then MichaelQSchmidt restored all of the other content. I suppose in a way that's kind of what happened, but it would be a bit confusing.

Personally, I would swap the page's locations, redirect the "...history" page to the other page and tag it with {{r from merge}}; keeps all of the relevant bits of information without messing about with the timelines too much.

Happy to do that if that's the preference, will be temporarily watching this page for replies and will go with whatever you think works best. Primefac (talk) 22:30, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Primefac, it sounds like that's the best choice—the swap and then the redirect with tag—so please do that. I suppose, if anyone objects, we could do the merge later on down the line. Thank you very much. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:57, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

 Done. Primefac (talk) 18:49, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

@BlueMoonset, Liz, and Primefac: After all that confusion, what needs to be done to which pages? Anthony Appleyard (talk) 23:24, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Nothing any more. Primefac (talk) 18:49, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Md. Abdul Halim

Hello Liz, I am not sure Md. Abdul Halim qualified under A7. It was an article on a member of the first parliament of Bangladesh (elected in 1973) and met WP:NPOL. There is the chance it might have been hijacked by a non-notable person which happens often in South Asian articles.Vinegarymass911 (talk) 02:06, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Vinegarymass911,

I apologize for the delay in responding to you. You were right, the article had been hijacked and I should have looked more deeply in the edit history but it resembled jumk articles that we see every day. I'm glad you were persistent and the article has been restored. Sometimes, admins make mistakes and it's important that editors feel comfortable calling us on decisions that seem questionable to them. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:15, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Víctor Jara (album)

The article about the 1967 album has no notable, that is the main reason why I redirected it to the article of the homonymous Chilean singer-songwriter, also the same thing happens with the article Canciones folklóricas de América.

See: Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion (A9).--Germanico5468504 (talk) 03:28, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Germanico5468504,

For the third time, I was just asking that you nominate it for deletion at WP:AFD or WP:PROD it. I don't believe it is a suitable candidate for speedy deletion. It is not an uncontroversial deletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:10, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Category:LGBT Roman Catholic cardinals and Category:LGBT Roman Catholic bishops

Hi - The above two cats appeared on the 10 July 2021 version of Special:WantedCategories. I saw that you deleted cardinals as vandalism, so am wondering if bishops might also be vandalism? Thanks! Gjs238 (talk) 02:57, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Gjs238,

I have deleted both categories but I guess the bishops one was recreated. I've now nominated it for deletion at WP:CFD. I appreciate you letting me know. My Watchlist is so enormous that I don't check it very often. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:08, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Notability Sakura-tai Chiru

Hello Liz, maybe you can help again in this case :-) A user questioned the notability of mentioned film/article. This film by renowned director Kaneto Shindo has been listed not only by serious online source/film magazine Kinema Junpo, but even more so in printed form – among others – in Critical Handbook of Japanese Film Directors by renowned film scholar Alexander Jacoby, and an essay by renowned critic Jasper Sharp for the British Film Institute (plus two others). All this can be checked in the Ref section. I think this notability questioning happened speedily and is unjustified. Can you check and help? Thanks, Robert Kerber (talk) 21:56, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Robert,

From reading your message, I thought there was a problem with this article being deleted or tagged for deletion but it just received a notability tag. That can be removed with more work on the article. I'm no expert on writing articles but I think a problem with this article is that you might have sources, but you're not using them in the article other than to confirm facts that, yes, this film exists. What do secondary sources have to say about this film, anything about its production, its reception by audiences or critics, any awards, anything about the significance of this film? Just having sources that mention this film isn't enough if you're not incorporating what they have to say about the article subject. I think that is what the editor who tagged this article was thinking when they questions its notability...it's not enough that you can verify a subject exists, you need to establish why the film is important enough to merit a Wikipedia article and that's what reliable secondary sources are used for. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:19, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

OK, I'll think of something. Thanks for your kind response. Best, Robert Kerber (talk) 08:30, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Special Barnstar
	I come to you for literally everything, whether it be begging for help because someone's going on a vandalism spree, requesting revision deletion, or maybe I'm just asking questions. You always find a way to help me out. Thank you for being great. Helen(💬📖) 23:32, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Well, thank you, Helen, this makes my day. I'm not always speedy at responding to talk page messages so I'm glad I could help you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:13, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

WP:REFUND

Hello, SilkTork,

Just a reminder that if you are assisting at WP:REFUND, you have to make an edit to the restored drafts or they will be tagged for deletion. I just restored several you restored that had reappeared on the G13 lists and were deleted again last night. Editors and admins should check the page logs but many don't.

There is a tool that makes this easy for admins that you can get at User:SD0001/RFUD-helper...it'll take care of most of the restoration steps for you to prevent this from happening and about half of the admins who patrol REFUND make use of it. Thanks for your help! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:36, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Liz! I wasn't aware of that. This is probably not an area I'm going to get involved in, but if I do do any more refunds, I shall certainly make use of the tool you recommend. Best wishes, SilkTork (talk) 00:51, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, SilkTork,

I think REFUND is one of the more pleasant admin tasks because you're restoring drafts to editors who want to work on them. But as someone who does a lot of deletions, I think it's better that a different admin responds to requests that they be restored rather than the admin who deleted the page. When I move on from doing deletions one day soon, I hope to help out at REFUND more. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:11, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Another refund

Hi Liz. could you refund the old deleted (june 16?) version of Draft:Vivian Suter seen here? I've created Vivian Suter and am curious about the deleted draft. If it's junk or not worth it in your opinion, don't bother. Thanks! --- Possibly ☎ 02:23, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Possibly,

 Done Happy to! It was tagged as a Promising Draft but there is no follow-up to these designations. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:27, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! You can delete it now, I got a source from it, but otherwise it sounds like a long close paraphrase of multiple sources. --- Possibly ☎ 02:37, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Rapper T.E.C. page deleted

Hello Liz I included major sources including links to court documents and other online outlets, such as all hiphop interview. He has sold millions in streams and records and also been signed to multiple major companies throughout his career No limit records Empire Dist etc. If something else is needed please advise

Hello?

Can you provide me with a link to the page you are talking about? Then I can investigate why it was deleted.

Also, please sign your talk page comments with four tildes (~~~~) so I can see who is commenting here. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:21, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Matholela Moloi (July 15)

Your recent article submission has been rejected. If you have further questions, you can ask at the Articles for creation help desk or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help. The reason left by Goldsztajn was: This topic is not sufficiently notable for inclusion in Wikipedia. The comment the reviewer left was: Unreliable sourcing, press-releases and texts from before the birth of the subject. No evidence of notability.

Goldsztajn (talk) 05:00, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Liz! Having an article declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! Goldsztajn (talk) 05:00, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

redirect

hi. i want to create List of 2020 Summer Olympics medal winners but with redirect how i can ? you must remove redirect with no path to free it. thanks --Miha2020 (talk) 18:58, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Miha2020,

I don't understand your request. You can start an article in Draft space and it can be moved into the main space of the project once it gets approval from an AFC reviewer. A page doesn't have to be deleted for this to happen. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:20, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

my request is clear! that redirect is for 2018 and not needed anymore! i want to create above page directly not draft! see List of 2016 Summer Olympics medal winners (is it have redirect?)...why you tagged this category? CSD C1 is for categories that have been unpopulated for at least seven days.it is created today! and by the way it is needed few days later when olympic 2020 starts--Miha2020 (talk) 19:28, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

You misunderstand CSD C1, Miha2020. Empty categories are tagged and, if 7 days after tagging, they are still empty, then they are deleted. If, during that week long period, they have pages placed in these categories, then the tag is removed. Without tagging categories, we have no way of knowing how many days they have been empty. The CSD tagging keeps track of that. Read the content on Category:Empty categories awaiting deletion which is where tagged categories are placed for 7 days, it explains this.

As for this redirect, I urge you to develop articles in Draft space, that's where articles are created. If you insist on working & developing an article with this title in main space, then just remove the redirect & create the article. I won't delete this page, it should contain the entire page history. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:04, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

which history? look at this! if i deleted the content of page and put my own content, I will not considered as an article's creator!--Miha2020 (talk) 20:13, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

You shouldn't care about being the author's creator, you should care about the integrity of the article and retaining the edit history of the page. It's about the content, not you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:53, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

to read : here and here..--Miha2020 (talk) 12:48, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

Deletion

I found out you reverted by edits on Third Oli cabinet. I respect your decision. You know this article is article of national interest of Nepal. Still Third Oli cabinet never existed officially. Please be clear help deleting Third Oli cabinet and merge with Second Oli cabinet making a separate section if required. Fifth Deuba Cabinet, 2021 mentions it's preceded by Second Oli cabinet. Second Oli cabinet says it's succeeded by Fifth Deuba Cabinet, 2021. Isn't it? It's true I don't know much on wiki policies. Padon if you think I made disruptive edits. For your reference:-

Hello, editor,

I stated in my edit summary that you needed to stop tagging this page for speedy deletion. WP:PROD or WP:AFD are more appropriate, where you can put forth your argument why it should be deleted. If you have questions about the deletion processes on Wikipedia, visit the Teahouse and they can address your questions. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:51, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for response. I had added AFD and discussion is available in Talk:Third Oli cabinet with clear concensus. Still, the add was removed by User:Yeti Dai. Please help merging Second Oli cabinet with Third Oli cabinet as Fifth Deuba Cabinet, 2021 mentions it's preceded by Second Oli cabinet. Second Oli cabinet says it's succeeded by Fifth Deuba Cabinet, 2021. Isn't it? Where does Third Oli cabinet lie? It's non existent. I don't know much but articles like Third Oli cabinet make Wikipedia a mess.110.44.124.164 (talk) 05:57, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

References

Deletion of draft:Vaush on april

Saw that you deleted a draft article about the popular twitch/youtuber Vaush. I was wondering what the reason was for its deletion as I would like to make an article about him due to him being a very prominent online figure with a lot of independent media coverage about his online influence. WikiRavaen (talk) 23:31, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, WikiRavaen,

The page I deleted was Draft:Vaush which was just a redirect, that is a page that consists of a link to another page, in this case an article, Vaush. When this other page is deleted, the redirect becomes a "broken redirect" and those pages are deleted as part of the maintenance of the encyclopedia. The page you need to be looking at is Vaush which was deleted after a deletion discussion. I had nothing to do with that page so you need to review the deletion discussion which is linked to at Vaush.

If you have questions about deletion processes on Wikipedia or redirects, please visit the Teahouse. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:36, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Bubble Bobble 4 Friends - tag removed (no problem)

Dear Liz. In the future, I intend to request for autopatrolled user right because I want to create articles without having to submit them for validation by a reviewer. I believe I have enough experience, as I created more than 70 articles on enwiki (18 here), simplewiki and ptwiki without ever having problems with deletions. However WP:APAT has a minimum recommendation of 25 valid articles. The problem is that there are two articles I created, Bubble Bobble 4 Friends and Yu-Gi-Oh! GX Tag Force 2, which were redirect pages. I don't know if those articles will serve in my favor for the recommendation.

I have two questions:

• Is the 25 valid articles rule binding or can be flexible in certain cases?
• Will my two aforementioned articles count toward the 25 valid articles?

Best regards. ✍A.WagnerC (talk) 21:50, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, ✍A.WagnerC,

Administrators tend to work in specific areas although most change these areas every few months or every few years. So, my guess is that there are 4 or 5 admins that regularly patrol WP:PERM and make decisions about awarding additional permissions to editors. I think it would be worth your time to look at the autopatrol page, go into the page history and look over the past month and find out which admins are evaluating editors' work and ask them these questions because that is the person who will make the decision.

My guess, because I don't work in this area, is that the 25 articles is pretty firm unless an editor has articles that are outstanding, like ones that have achieved GA, Good Article, status. I don't think redirects count but, again, ask one of the admins who does these evaluations what they think.

One thing I can tell you is that if there is an existing redirect, and you write a draft article which is moved to that page, the redirect and any previous history of that page is deleted so whoever created the draft would be seen as the "creator" of the article.

Sorry I couldn't help with more specific advice about gaining this additional permission. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:03, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you so muck for answer. The your idea is very good. I will ask here. ✍A.WagnerC (talk) 23:39, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Marjan Shirmohammadi

Hello dear colleague. Why did you delete Marjan Shir Mohammadi's page? [5] He is one of the prominent Iranian [6] actors and writers. You may explain. Thankfulخاچی (talk) 08:48, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi @خاچی, the page Marjan Shirmohammadi was deleted because it was created by banned/blocked User:ArmanAfifeh in violation of their ban or block. ––FORMALDUDE^(talk) 17:43, 22 July 2021 (UTC) (talk page stalker)

@FormalDude hi. I understood. What should I do now?خاچی (talk) 18:15, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

@خاچی: If you're interested in creating an article for Marjan Shirmohammadi, I would recommend that you create a draft in your userspace where you can develop the article without risk of it being deleted. You can then submit the draft article for creation. ––FORMALDUDE^(talk) 18:25, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

@FormalDude Thank youخاچی (talk) 18:48, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, خاچی,

Yes, what FormalDude said (thanks for answering). Feel free to start a new draft on this individual, either in your user sandbox or in Draft space. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:33, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

@Liz thank you خاچی (talk) 11:35, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

@Liz,@FormalDude hi. [7] Please do not check.خاچی (talk) 13:44, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

Comment from User:Diomedes050465

Hi Liz Why did you delete my page "The Pike And Shot Society". The Society is in its 50th year, still going strong. I am loathe to simply recreate since it would be helpful yo know what you felt was wrong Diomedes050465

Hello, @Diomedes050465! After reviewing the proposed deletion at The Pike & Shot Society, it appears the page was deleted due to a lack of significant coverage in reliable sources as well as no indication of notability in reliable sources. I hope this answers your question. ––FORMALDUDE^(talk) 17:49, 22 July 2021 (UTC) (talk page stalker)

Hello, Diomedes050465

The Pike & Shot Society was deleted through what we call Proposed deletion. The reason given was "sources turn up exactly no indication of notability or significant coverage". With this form of deletion, an article can be restored if the deletion is contested so that is what I have done. This doesn't mean that the article can't be tagged for a future deletion discussion (what we call AFD) but for now the article is back. It would help if you could improve it so that it doesn't merit deletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:39, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Sahnil Bhatnagar

Hi Liz, I noticed you salted Sahnil Bhatnagar; it's been recreated here Sahnil Bhatnagar (Indian Tv Actor). I can't find a deletion discussion so not sure what to tag it with. Cheers, Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 20:37, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Rubbish computer,

I actually salted 9 different titles about this individual. Thanks for letting me know about this deletion discussion, I shared this information there. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:30, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

No worries and it's insane the length people will go to write these spam articles. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 22:36, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

I'm not great at detecting paid editing but I think either that is the case here or, because he is an actor, it's a persistent fan. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:41, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

And it looks like the page has now been deleted because it was created by a sockpuppet. Well, I think it's good that other people know about this person because if someone cared enough to create 10 different versions of an article about him, they aren't going to stop and we can't salt every possible title. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:43, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

More information about this persistent sockpuppet at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Sahil9610/Archive. It looks like creating articles about Sahnil Bhatnagar is his "tell" so he gets blocked fairly quickly. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:52, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Hey sorry just saw this. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 16:55, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

I see you doing lots of useful admin maintenance, thank you for that. It can often attract more criticism than thanks so it's important to acknowledge. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 17:03, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Well, thanks, what I do these days is true janitorial work. Maybe one day I'll get inspired and decide to do some writing but I kind of had my fill of that during years of graduate school. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:51, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Please reninstate

You proded this article, of an athlete who has now competed in the Olympics. Can you therefore please reinstate it? Thanks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoav_Cohen --2603:7000:2143:8500:8FA:F0E:1857:7777 (talk) 05:36, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

 Done, 2603:7000:2143:8500:8FA:F0E:1857:7777. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:38, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

• • wonderful. thank you. 2603:7000:2143:8500:8FA:F0E:1857:7777 (talk) 06:40, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

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Linkthehero1234 (talk) 02:55, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Linkthehero1234,

Good. Visit the Teahouse. Very helpful people there. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:58, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Lakshmi Ghar Aayi

I want to recreate a draft article Draft:Lakshmi Ghar Aayi which you have deleted on 19 June 2021. I think the article will be definitely similar to the one you deleted as it is basically about a tv show. Will there be any issue if I recreate Draft:Lakshmi Ghar Aayi?--Creativitylove (talk) 08:30, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

WikiCleanerMan

Hi Liz, I've been spending some time looking at this user's editing history, and I'm considering blocking him. He's been blocked twice before, the most recent in March for two weeks by El C. As you know, the user was unusually aggressive on my Talk page, which surprised me, but that has nothing to do with the bases for a block - it just triggered my attention.

It's a bit hard to follow his history of warnings because he deletes everything from his Talk page. However, you have warned him, I believe twice, about failing to notify the authors of pages he nominates for deletion (using whatever process). Most recently, he has been on a tear nominating election templates for deletion. The count is staggering. As far as I can tell, he has not informed any of the authors of the nominations. Moreover, take a look at the discussion between him and Number 57 on the latter's Talk page. Not only is WCM lying when he says that the templates are single-use, but in at least two cases I've found he has deleted the templates from articles so that it looks like they're used less.

He has also tagged categories as WP:C1 without notifying the authors. My guess is there too he may have emptied the cats themselves, but I got tired of trudging through his contributions.

I suppose I could take him to ANI instead of blocking him myelf (he's been there before, and I believe that's what provoked the two-week block), but talking to you, as well as pinging the other admins, is kind of a compromise between the two.

As for the length of the block, it should be at least one month in my view. What are your thoughts on all of this?--Bbb23 (talk) 12:53, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I'm unable to immediately parse this user's contribs right now without specific diffs being cited. There's just too many of them. If, for example, the prod edit warring continued after the warning, that'd be an indef. But, the obvious tautology is that, if it was heeded, then it was heeded. There may be enduring CIR (possibly even outright PACT) issues with the election templates, but the extent of that disruption in the context of the totality of recent edits, and in the view of these issues not being repeated in the future — all that remains unclear.

About blanking as a form of archiving: it's a rough approach, which is fine to gently point out as such, but ultimately, it's a personal choice and should have little if any bearing on anything (which I'm not saying is easy for an uninvolved admin to pull off, but they should definitely try). Sorry, I no longer possess a firm recollection of the March block, which really is on me for not including diffs of the violations in my block notice. El_C 13:22, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

Some diffs:

• removing {{Malaysian_general_election,_2018}} from an article;
• No notification of User talk:*angys*, the author of the template, which is one of the many nominated by WCM;
• tagging category as C1 - this is a special cat, and not being well-versed in cats, I'm not completely sure how it works;
• No notification of User talk:Woohookitty, the author of the cat;
• Another example of removing a nominated template from an article.
• Liz's first warning - about notifications of authors
• Liz's second warning - about replacing PRODS after they were removed by another editor - and about blanking of warnings.

As for the Talk page business, I wasn't saying that WCM's removal of warnings was necessarily a basis for a block, only that it makes it hard to follow things. That said, removal of warnings, in combination with other disruptive activity is additional evidence of the user's misconduct. As for "heeding" Liz's warnings, he clearly did not.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:45, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, Bbb23. In light of that, I'm just gonna take these concerns to them directly and see how it goes from there. El_C 19:10, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay in responding, Bbb23 & El C, but I had a late start here and, to be honest, I wasn't sure exactly how to respond. I've gone to their talk page to make clear that my "reminder" was more than a suggestion. Unless there is clear bad intent involved, I try to post reminders because I find that scolding an editor usually provokes a defensive response and isn't effective at changing behavior but I can see that my words are seen by equivocal by some. It's only recently that I looked over WikiCleanerMan's user page and saw that they believe a "massive cleanup" is necessary on Wikipedia which sounds like deletionism on overdrive. Now that I've posted that user talk page notices are not an option but part of the deletion process, I feel comfortable with a block if this continues to be ignored. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:07, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks to both of you for your help. I'm afraid I'm less satisfied with WCM's responses and believe the user has already exhausted our good faith through a significant amount of manipulative pretense. However, given that I'm in a minority of three, I will just hope I'm wrong and the user will surprise me by amending his behavior.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:12, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

Interwiki links and A3

Hi, Liz. I noticed you deleted Septopus as an A3. I had seen that nomination and was keeping an eye on it (I was considering contesting it). If I remember correctly (obviously I don't have access to deleted edits), it was an interwiki redirect to a Wiktionary page. Do links to other projects count as "external links" under the criterion? I'm considering asking at WT:CSD because I don't think it's sufficiently clear. Sdrqaz (talk) 14:11, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Sdrqaz,

I thought that this CSD criteria was appropriate at the time I reviewed this but your query has lead me to reread Wikipedia:Redirect which states

• Note that redirects to other Wikimedia projects, other websites, or special pages do not work. These should be avoided or replaced with a {{soft redirect}} template.

So, I have restored this page. Template:Wiktionary redirect is an acceptable substitute for {{soft redirect}} so you were correct here. Thank you for teaching me something new today. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:28, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, Liz. After leaving you that message, I saw at WP:ACSD that the 'A' criteria "do not apply to redirects" – there's a little ambiguity there as to whether it was referring to a "proper" redirect or all redirects, but I think we've ended up in the right place. Sdrqaz (talk) 01:36, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Well, I'm glad you brought it to my attention so I don't make this mistake again. I know that this was the first cross-wiki redirect I've encountered looking over CSD-tagged pages. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:48, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

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Walkabout Travel Gear edit

Hi Liz. I compiled and added that list because of the notation below that's found on the top of the page. I'm confused why demonstrating coverage is removed when that notation specifically asks for it. I got all the references from clicking on the books link. I have no idea how many sources are needed.

Thanks.

The topic of this article may not meet Wikipedia's general notability guideline. Please help to demonstrate the notability of the topic by citing reliable secondary sources that are independent of the topic and provide significant coverage of it beyond a mere trivial mention. If notability cannot be shown, the article is likely to be merged, redirected, or deleted. Find sources: "Walkabout Travel Gear" – news · newspapers · books · scholar · JSTOR (June 2021) (Learn how and when to remove this template message) KazakDexter (talk) 00:56, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, KazakDexter,

It's appropriate to add a few titles that establish notability but you added dozens and dozens of listings, your list was larger than the entire article! It was disproportionate and considering that this list of titles has been deleted several times from your sandbox, that's another sign that this was an inappropriate addition.

This revert was my decision as an editor, but if you have more general questions about content creation on Wikipedia, I encourage you to bring them to the Teahouse where you'll receive replies from editors who have a stronger background in article creation than I have. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:14, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. Still confused how an article can not meet notability guidelines yet have too much notability. But I'll bring that up in the Teahouse. KazakDexter (talk) 01:27, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Refund-o-matic

Hi Liz. I am going through the Museum of Fine Arts Houston's collection, looking for women artists without articles. For Jammie Holmes it looks like there was some draft action, possibly by a blocked editor, and an expired draft. Could you refund anything that looks promising to Draft:Jammie Holmes 2 or similar? I've finished up with Jammie Holmes.

I do have to say that these refunds almost always yield nothing, but it's a little like The Mystery of Al Capone's Vaults. Thanks. --- Possibly ☎ 01:35, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Possibly,

 Done at Draft:Jammie Holmes 2. This was tricky, first to find the deleted version, restore it, move it and go back into the edit history for the last good version. There were a lot of edits that were revision deleted. It's an unusual use of revision deleted, the edits were revision deleted but the actual content added by the sockpuppet was not removed. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:37, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Excellent! I actually got some material out of that. I am done with it if you want to delete it again. Thank you kindly for your troubles. --- Possibly ☎ 02:53, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Possibly, are you finished with it? I think it would be confusing to keep a draft and article on a subject when the content is different. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:55, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I am done with it, please feel free to delete Draft:Jammie Holmes 2. I attributed the copied text to Draft:Jammie Holmes 2, but I guess if anyone was devoted enough to track the attribution, they could confirm that via an admin! Thanks again. --- Possibly ☎ 02:59, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Well, I think it's a good day when deleted content can be repurposed into an existing article. Thanks for the attribution, I meant to mention that. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:07, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks

	Complex Refund Award for Deleted Content
	You are the inaugural winner of the Complex refund award for deleted content (CRADC). Thanks! --- Possibly ☎ 03:11, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

LOL, Possibly, it's an award I will cherish! Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:13, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Shorter signature

Why don't you change your signature to this one, which is twelve characters shorter than your current signature?

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Kleinpecan (talk) 15:09, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Hip Hop Movement / Six elements of the Hip Hop Movement

Hi Liz

Piotr Jr. did help and edit part of the Ronald Savage article with the Child Victims Act today rather than just deleting it, that was a good sign.

Now with the Hip Hop Article with the Six Elements Of The Hip Hop Movement, he never removed it from the Ronald Savage article but went all the way over to the Hip Hop article and removed it when no one else did because it is a hip hop history fact, his claim was it doesn't need to be in the lead, something that noble and respected worldwide about the elements of the hip hop movement truly is that's why nobody touched it, in fact, a user put it in the lead, years later it was removed by mistake and I put it back and it was all good. This is even in books two written by a well respected hip hop Arthur

The History of Hip Hop vol #2 –Eric Reese - 2019 https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_History_of_Hip_Hop/NMSKDwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=six+elements+of+the+hip+hop+movement&pg=PT5&printsec=frontcover

The History of Hip Hop Collectionbooks.google.com › books Eric Reese • 2020 https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_History_of_Hip_Hop_Collection/D232DwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=six+elements+of+the+hip+hop+movement&pg=PT88&printsec=frontcover

and co-signed my Hip Hop Pioneer Busy Bee who is one of the first solo mc's of hip hop history in an interview with Sway in the morning along with Ronald Savage - BUSY BEE IS HIP HOP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6Xz50h-u78&t=546s (Time stamps 0000-02:18) so you know who busy bee is,

(Time Stamp 7:25-10:20) talking about the hip hop movement as you can see Sway in the morning who has been in hip hop for decades even says hip hop movement as if it's new, because all these people new to hip hop and not from the 1st generation knows hip hop and hip hop movement are two different things, hip hop movement was never ever used in an official capacity it was just a word to describe people wanting to be apart of this thing called hip hop until 1990 when Ron "Bee-Stinger" Savage came up with the meaning he also is from the 1st generation and helped to build hip hop, and we all know why he left as he says in 2016 but he's back now from the looks of things and people giving him lots of love because of who he is from back in the days.

(Time Stamp) 13:39- 17:04 Busy bee breaks it down how Hip Hop had its own elements and why they gave elements to Hip Hop Movement, that is history, and Ronald Savage trademark it as well to protect the hip hop movement from being stolen like hip hop was from the pioneers. That's all I was trying to say, people are kinda really not confused now about the two which ALWAYS been different meanings in one.

No disrespect but even Jay Z knows hip hop movement included 6 elements - as you see in this written article. https://www.birthofhiphop.com/jay-z-with-dean-baquet/

This is all I was trying to say because I'm from Bronx River in NYC where Hip Hop Started, I never got a chance to meet bee-stinger real name Ronald Savage but even I know he gave meaning and elements to hip hop movement. I just thought user Piotr Jr. was one of the people still upset with Ron Savage because of 2016, but no one is thinking about that with him no more in hip hop, he gets real love now, that's over the way it looks on youtube. Piotr even took this legend picture down off of the Hip Hop Page, you have to admit that is disrespect to the man who coined the elements for hip hop movement, it just looks funny to a lot of people I showed in hip hop last night. Can you look at the video and Jazy Z also stating what hip hop movement is please then you will see what I was talking about him removing a lead peace of hip hop culture. Piotr if you reading this also It would be grateful of you to undo what you did and his picture until I can write something longer or better, I have to read through all this stuff, I did this 5 - 6 years ago in college. Hopefully, Piotr is ok with me now and we can work together, I liked how he made a great edit on the Ronald Savage -aka- Bee-Stinger Article. --Street sting (talk) 20:06, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Thank you for guiding me regarding my new article named 'Obhyesh'. Please keep on giving the good advice to edit it better and eventually moving it into livespace. Thanks once again. Bsrthereal (talk) 22:17, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Re: Tagging pages for speedy deletion

Hello Liz, I understand your point, however most of the tagged sandboxes belong to single-purpose accounts with promotionals/corporatives usernames or spambots, which have been reported for blocking, and I think that sandboxes must be tagged; if I find a new editor without inapropiated username or COI (spambot), I don't will tagged that sandboxes. Regards Valdemar2018 (talk) 07:22, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Category Merge

Hello, you deleted a category after a merge discussion at Cfd. Could you also rename Category:Disney+ movie ID same as Wikidata to Category:Disney+ ID same as Wikidata as part of that merge, thanks. Terasail^[✉️] 14:37, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Terasail,

I would only delete a category if it was empty (CSD C1) or tagged for uncontroversial deletion (CSD G6) which means that the category has been emptied by the CFD closer, in this case, Marcocapelle. Category:Disney+ movie ID same as Wikidata, Category:Disney+ series ID same as Wikidata and Category:Disney+ ID same as Wikidata are all empty so I'm not sure that anything needs to be moved. Or maybe I'm just unclear on what you are asking me to do here. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:30, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

@Terasail: it was not clear to me yesterday that this was intended as a batch nomination. Let me have a look at it once more. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:52, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free revisions

I don't know if you'd noticed by Legoktm's script wasn't working properly on pages where the {{Orphaned non-free revisions}} was preceded by {{Valid SVG}}. It was rev-deling the orphan revision but not removing the template - example File:Bank of Estonia new logo.svg. Anyway I've mentioned it to Legotkm and he's modified the script, so you might want to bypass your cache before you next use the script. Nthep (talk) 18:05, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Nthep,

Yes, I've seen the process skip removing the template a few times but I didn't know what the problem was. I know that a couple of times, I manually removed the template but I don't work much with files so I wasn't sure if there was another step that needed to be taken. As far as I can see, the bot typically places files in that CSD category once a day. Thanks for letting me know what was going on. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:14, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Deletion of Olakira

Hello Liz, I see that you deleted the page Olakira now due to the G4 CSD tag placed on it. As I understand that you acted in good faith but the G4 doesn't entirely mean an automatic delete to pages that was recreated after they were deleted previously via discussions but “It excludes pages that are not substantially identical to the deleted version, pages to which the reason for the deletion no longer applies” according to the documentation page. Before creating the article again, I ensured this was met as the content isn't identical to the deleted version and the subject has gathered more significant coverage hence the reason for deletion no longer applies. Lastly, I also contested the CSD tag on the article talk page and hoping discussion will have been made rather than outright deletion. Please take a look at this and have it reviewed. Thanks Kaizenify (talk) 02:21, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Kaizenify,

Just a question, how did you compare it to the deleted version? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:23, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the response. Just before creating the article, I saw that it has been previously created and deleted, followed the thread, and then checked the previous creator last contributions and was able to see the page in their sandbox here. So that was how I was able to compare, thanks. Kaizenify (talk) 02:31, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Okay, Kaizenify, how about this...I restore the page as a draft and you submit it to AFC? This is the main way I know of to get around an AFD deletion decision. I also think that if it is just restored to main space, it will likely be tagged for speedy deletion again by our eager CSD taggers. If it passes review at AFC, I think it is unlikely to be deleted. What do you think? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:55, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Fair enough Liz, please restore to draft and will definitely submit to AFC. Thank you once again. Kaizenify (talk) 09:04, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello Liz; just following up on this as you said you were going to restore to draft. Regards Kaizenify (talk) 22:50, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

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A big sockpuppet problem

Hi Liz, I needed to talk to an admin because something just cropped up that I need immediate help with. There's been a vandal that's attacked pages for months, writing about his testicles going up and down. He's back tonight with a new sock: "I pee in swimming pools". AIV is backlogged and I need an admin on this ASAP... he won't stop until he's blocked. Please help. Helen(💬📖) 01:54, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

Apologies. As soon as I hit "publish" on this message, the guy was blocked. Sorry for the inconvenience. Helen(💬📖) 01:55, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, HelenDegenerate,

No need for apologies! Yes, Mr. Testacles, admins are aware of him and he usually gets blocked pretty quickly. If this happens again though, you need to leave me his username or I can't do anything about it.

Have a good weekend! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:00, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

P.S. The name of the sock was "I pee in swimming pools". Guy's feeling festive and changing his modus operandi for the Olympics. Helen(💬📖) 02:03, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

Gotcha, you said that. Yes, I think there are filters preventing his usual vandalism so he's changing subjects. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:08, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you so much

Thank you so much for understanding that I'm not a sockpuppet. I had myself asked for undeletion of the articles of Shubhashish Jha, Lakshmi Ghar Aayi and Priyanka Choudhary: Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion#Shubhashish Jha, Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion#Lakshmi Ghar Aayi and Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion#Priyanka Choudhary as I find it easier to work on the deleted versions. I actually don't have time and want to be inactive otherwise if I had enough experience and confidence I would have created on my own. Still, thank you so much once again for understanding.--Creativitylove (talk) 05:33, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

4RR edit war

Hello, hope everything is Okay this new User entered in edit war with others [[8]] on this page [[9]] with 4 RR under 24 hours. Can something be done? Thank you. Theonewithreason (talk) 31 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Theonewithreason,

Thanks for bringing this to my attention. Since this is a very new editor, the first step is to inform them about the edit-warring policy which I have done. They haven't edited in many hours so if they resume edit warring when they return, let me know and I can take further action. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:05, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you Liz, I am not that interested in the page where edit war is on, just noticed when I was looking some Olympic winners lists and I am not that much on Wikipedia because of my work, the thing here that concerned me was the way they were discussing with the other editor in a quite aggressive manner, that is why I wanted the bring attention to admins. Have a nice day/night. Theonewithreason (talk) 31 July 2021 (UTC)

Query

You declined a G5 on Verse of Brotherhood. My question is what were the "substantial edits by others"? Before nominating I reviewed this diff (8 September 2015 - 12 November 2019 in which I see:

1. Dubious title tag
2. formatting of the title and transliteration of the Arabic name
3. Citation formatting, but all references were present in the article at the end of the sock's edits.
4. A center tag around Arabic text replaced with lang|ar formatting around the same text.
5. minor ce ("these massages" to "this message")
6. Some category changes (some by the sock in two edits from 2019: [10][11])

Which one of these is substantial? I am asking so that I become better at this CSD type.--Eostrix  (^{🦉 hoot} _hoot🦉) 22:06, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Eostrix,

I look at hundreds, maybe thousands, of pages a day. I didn't evaluate the value of each edit made to this page but just looked to see if other editors had contributed and worked on an article that had been tagged CSD G5. As you can see by looking at your CSD log, I deleted the majority of pages you tagged for deletion but a handful of articles appeared to have other editors contributing to them. I look at the general participation and whether or not the blocked editor was the sole contributor to the page.

If you are asking for an evaluation of your tagging, I'd say it's solid but to me, there is not the urgency to CSD G5s that there is to copyright violations, BLP violations and vandalism. We don't need to rush to delete every evidence of a sockpuppet as soon as they are identified as one. As you probably know, admins have varying approaches and attitudes towards speedy deletion but, in this case, you had me reviewing the pages and this was my decision. I hope this helps address your concerns. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:27, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

I am not challenging your decision, I am way way too new to G5s to do that (I've done G5s before, but almost all on LTAs (like Arya) I know very well and where the application was obvious (freshly made articles, not ones with accumulated minor edits and edits by bots over a period of time)), I am trying to learn - to calibrate my own G5 tagging process (just I've learnt on other criteria, I've certainly varied my thresholds on A7 and G11 over time). Certainly G5 results (just as any CSD tag) vary by admin, when I'm better calibrated in my own process I try to shoot for the strict side of judgement calls when tagging.

(Adding: part of what I'm doing on this G5 run, is not so much for the sake of G5s but because I'm trying to study the active sock puppet cases. Going over contributions of recently blocked socks is part of that)

So from your reply, I learn you mostly look at the number of contributors (and I'd assume diff size, minor edits, etc.) in the article's history? And if that number is large enough, you decline?

If so, then perhaps I should not rely on the combined diff before tagging? My process this time was to pre-filter my noms based on the article's history (like if I saw big diffs by editors in good standing or editors doing chains of edits), and then look at the combined diff from the sock's last edit to present. I could base my decisions more on the article's history and use the combined diff only to eliminate noms?--Eostrix  (^{🦉 hoot} _hoot🦉) 22:43, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

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Liz, it would be a good idea to comment at ANI. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 20:23, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Cullen328,

Thank you for the message, I hadn't seen the notice (above). Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:54, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Restoring Draft Nuhu Muzaata Batte

Bellow is the Page Chronology UNDELETING Nuhu Muzaata Batte

Hello Comrade Liz, i am kindly requesting that you undelete Nuhu Muzaata Batte, it had been recommended and tagged for deleting citing copyright infringement which i had immediately corrected and cleaned. I therefore Kindly request that you undelete.Thank you very much. Ibitukirire (talk) 21:34, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Ibitukirire,

Since there were questions about the content, I have restored this page, moved it into Draft space and submitted it to Articles for Creation for review. You can still work on the page and can find it at Draft:Nuhu Muzaata Batte. Please do not move it to the main space of the project without being reviewed or it is likely to be deleted again. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:03, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much @ Liz, but I will not make any edits on that draft, I know other people will do so and modify it further. This is because I have realised my edits are being mistaken by some editors non disclosed paid edits when I reality I do not have any penny received nor in any way connected to the subjects. I have already been warned by NJD-DE that I will be blocked from further editing given the nature of my edits, hence the my decision to first hold on, observe and learn before any serious edits. Thank you very much Ibitukirire (talk) 22:18, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Hello admin, I was trying to create a new page for deceased Nuhu Muzaata Batte and realised it had earlier been created and deleted. However, you restored it and draftfied it at Draft:Nuhu Muzaata Batte but the draft is nowhere to be seen, Is there any posibility of you restoring this draft so that i procceed with edits on the same? Ugmatrix (talk) 00:46, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Ugmatrix

I can't restore Draft:Nuhu Muzaata Batte. If you go to the page, you'll see that admin MER-C deleted the page because it was the creation of a sockpuppet, Ibitukirire so you'll need to start from scratch. Since you registered your account right after Ibitukirire was blocked, if you are also a sockpuppet of Izaaqnewton, please stop editing before you are blocked as well. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:38, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Inspirations (Saxon album)

Have added the link to the draft article Draft:Inspirations (Saxon album). Dan arndt (talk) 02:51, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Dan,

 Done. That's all I needed to see! There is a way in Twinkle that you can tag a page and the admin can delete the target page and do the move in one step. If you could move the page now, that would be the next step. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:53, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Category:Female characters in animated films

I've got an unregistered user adding a sequence of articles to the redlinked Category:Female characters in animated films. I saw you G5 speedy deleted that category in February since it was created by a ban evader. Is this at all related? Firefangledfeathers (talk) 06:42, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Firefangledfeathers,

Thanks for noticing this. The previous editor was a sockpuppet of CensoredScribe whose primary focus was creating categories on different aspects of fictional characters. I'm not sure this is the same editor as they tend to create user accounts rather than doing IP editing but I'll keep an eye on them. Let me know if you think they are being disruptive. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:47, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

A deletion of a draft

Why delete a draft? One of your censors moved it to drafts and I supplied everything they asked , and they ignored my messages, just time and again. And now of course you want to delete the remainings of that corruption??? No! You should not. Please bring it back if your biased wikipedia worth anything just keep it so people can see and judge for themselves! Or you are biased and corrupted!!!

Hello,

Before I can look into this, you'll have to tell me what page you are talking about. Pages are deleted for a variety of reasons and so policy varies on whether or not they can be restored depending on why they were deleted. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:41, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for the note about moving to draft space and marking for speedy deletion it was my first time doing it and happy to know the proper procedure. Thanks for taking the time! Cheers! Jamie-NAL (talk) 13:40, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Jamie-NAL,

Don't worry about it. I posted three other messages about this yesterday so it is not uncommon. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:39, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Deletion of Graham 'Abo' Henry

In regards of Wikipedia policy, I agree and I’m okay about it. I never got around to editing it.

Best regards, Kyle KyleDJF34 (talk) 14:34, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Kyle,

Drafts that are not edited for six months are deleted through speedy deletion, CSD G13. But should you want to return to working on Draft:Graham 'Abo' Henry, just let me or any admin know or go to WP:REFUND and ask and the page will be restored. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:38, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Leftover category

Hello, Jc37,

It looks like you closed Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 July 8#Category:Professional wrestlingvenues but there was a tagged category that should have been included on the nomination but wasn't listed, Category:Professional wrestling venues in the United States by state. Do you want to deleted it as part of that discussion or should I just tag it as an empty category? Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 15:32, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Hey Liz, thanks for the note.

Oh I see, tagged, but not listed in the discussion.

I think either way it can probably be speedied, either C1 (empty) or G8 (now not needed container cat). - jc37 17:24, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, jc37,

Okay, thanks for letting me know. I've tagged it for deletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:35, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

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Hello! Could you please reactivate the page for Brent M. Longnecker? I noticed today that it had been deleted on 04/12/2021 when I needed to make edits to his work history. This is an authentic individual and the information on the page was accurate as to the date it was posted. Please let me know if you need any further information for verification and I will be happy to assist. Thank you and have a great day!

 Done, restored as a contested Proposed deletion. Also, please sign your talk page messages with four tildes (~~~~) so that your signature, along with the day & time is appended to your message and I know who I'm talking to. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:33, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for restoring!!!Brittnytillman (talk) 19:00, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Troom Troom - redirect?

Hello, Liz. I saw that two days ago you deleted this article on Troom Troom which received a PROD on it. I asked the person who PRODed the article if a redirect/merge to 5 Minute Crafts, the article which Troom Troom is based off of, would be more appropriate. He said he was okay with it, but by the time I saw his message the article got deleted. So I would like to ask if I could redirect the article to 5 Minute Crafts? Thanks in advance, PantheonRadiance (talk) 19:33, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, PantheonRadiance,

You don't need my permission to create a redirect. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:40, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Oh okay, thanks, just wanted to make sure it was fine. Just went ahead and did it. PantheonRadiance (talk) 20:13, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Yep, it's fine. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:03, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Workingepskeiskxkke

Hi Liz,

I'm frustrated with Workingepskeiskxkke and their editing pattern on Coaster (commuter rail), where they have been repeatedly added unsourced trivia despite my reverts and warnings. (I'm coming to you because you've also previously warned them and might be familiar with their behavior.) It seems like a CIR issue, given the poor quality of their edits and refusal to communicate. I'm not sure what the best option is - it seems like a relatively trivial issue to go to ANI for, but it's frustrating and disruptive. Thanks, Pi.1415926535 (talk) 22:41, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Pi.1415926535,

I've posted a message asking them to start talking with other editors on the article talk page. If they ignore this and continue to be disruptive, I can give them a block from editing this particular page. Keep me posted. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:53, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

User:Sudhars823

Hi Liz this user seems to be an SPA who is on a mission to get a single promotional BLP into the encyclopaedia. Some admin action may be appropriate. Thanks Mccapra (talk) 06:03, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Mccapra,

I'm not inclined to block at this moment since they don't seem to be that active any more, not as they were last year. I can't protect a page from being recreated as last year they created the page under a lot of different titles. I'll keep tabs on them and if they persist, I'll take action. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 16:23, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

User talk:Community Tech bot

I'd be grateful if you could explain why you deleted User talk:Community Tech bot? --David Biddulph (talk) 06:32, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, David,

That was a mistake on my part. I was deleting orphaned talk pages and this page was on this list page. I really appreciate you telling me about my blunder so I could fix it. My apologies. Thank you for bringing it to my attention. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 16:18, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Can you please do an easy favour for me? Thank you!

So, Materialscientist deleted my page because it contained content that I created. And no, I'm not asking you to restore it or anything: I understand and accept the deletion. But please can you or another mod of the page before deletion (because I can't view it despite creating it), and I can't remember the exact details as I wrote it a while ago; then I can simply put it somewhere else (don't worry, I won't spam articles about stuff I made up). Thank you! Binary198 (talk) 09:52, 10 August 2021 (UTC)Binary198

Hello,

I can't help you until you tell me what page was deleted so I can see why it was deleted. Also, please sign your talk page messages with four tildes (~~~~) so I can see who you are. Thanks. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 16:40, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Sorry about that! Binary198 (talk) 09:52, 10 August 2021 (UTC)Binary198

Happy Adminship Anniversary!

Wishing Liz a very happy adminship anniversary on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 16:07, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, CAPTAIN RAJU. Much appreciated. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 16:42, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Undeletion request

Since you deleted Template:Friendly search suggestions, requesting its undeletion. The template is listed for merging at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Holding cell#Other, as per the consensus at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2020 October 4#Reference search tools talk page templates. A merge will be difficult to perform if users cannot access the content. Since the consensus was to merge, the page should not have deleted at all. Rather, after the merge (which has yet to occur), a redirect would be most appropriate. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 12:25, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, North America1000,

 Done. I usually only delete templates if they've been tagged for speedy deletion which means they've been processed over at TFD. I've removed the CSD & TFD tags but if this was incorrect, please undo my edit. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 16:38, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks very much. The closer of the TfD discussion keeps trying to circumvent the consensus of the discussion for their own reasons (diff). Consensus was to merge, not delete without merging. See the hatted extended discussion at the TfD holding area (linked above). As I stated to them before, if they had a strong opinion about what should occur, they should have !voted, and should have left the close to an uninvolved user. I would perform the merge myself, but it involves use of Template:Invoke and Lua, which I am not versed in. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 21:28, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Yes, this is why I usually leave templates to the experts except for the rare occasions when completely unused templates end up being tagged for speedy deletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:30, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

I find it disturbing that the closer of the TfD later tagged the template for speedy deletion (diff), particularly when the speedy tag states that consensus at the discussion was for deletion, when it clearly was not. The discussion was closed as merge. After all, consensus needs to be followed, not ignored in favor of one's own point of view. Yet another example of the supervote, where consensus is ignored in favor of unilateral decision making. This is not how Wikipedia is supposed to work. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 21:41, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

I agree. There seems to be a lot of purging going on of unwanted templates right now. Not being adept with templates, all I've done is brought it to the attention of a few other people. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:59, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello

Hello friend, could you check if the improvements to this article Draw My Life are good or something is wrong. Thanks --Nasty bits (talk) 15:58, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Rio Grande Valley

Hi Liz! I just undid your move of Rio Grande Valley. There was an RM which did not move this page pending further consensus (see the closing admin's comment here). The nominator then posted the speedy delete request that prompted the move you made asking for the change to be done. Sorry for any confusion here!--Yaksar (let's chat) 14:20, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Yaksar,

Typically pages aren't tagging for move/deletion prematurely. I'm sorry this created extra work for you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:53, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Tagging pages for speedy deletion

Hi, Liz!

First of all, thanks a lot for reaching out!

I saw your message in my userpage, and I rechecked all stale drafts that I tagged for speedy deletion which were subsequently reverted. Except that stale userpage - which seemed to me that it was indeed to be blanked, given that it was actually inactive -, I was sure I followed the guidelines of WP:G13, i.e. old drafts which were not edited by a human in six months.

Did I miss something? (〃￣ω￣〃ゞ

Thanks a lot in advance!

Kind regards

I-Bin-A-Bibi (talk) 18:56, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, I-Bin-A-Bibi,

Drafts that haven't been edited by a human editor in over six months can be tagged for G13 speedy deletion. But what you were tagging were old User pages. These can only be tagged under certain conditions, six months with no human edits AND either

• Userspace with an {{AFC submission}} template or
• Userspace with no content except the article wizard placeholder text

These weren't conditions that were met for the User pages you tagged. They were just old User pages. For more guidance on this, please read over Wikipedia:Ragpicking. Going through old User pages for editors who have left Wikipedia years ago isn't a productive activity, they are generally left alone unless there is content that violates copyright rules or BLP guidelines.

If you want to find draft pages nearing the end of their six month fallow period, you can find them at Category:AfC G13 eligible soon submissions. Please be aware if you live in certain places, like the United States, that Wikipedia runs on UTC time, not U.S. time and U.S. time differs depending on the time of the year (Daylight Savings time vs. Standard time). So, right now, if you're in the U.S. and a draft was last edited on 5 pm on February 9, 2021, it would be possible for it to be tagged G13 at 6 pm on August 9, 2021. In a few months, the clock will change again and we'll be one hour behind, not ahead. There is actually a very small window of days when the time zone of six months ago is the same as it is today.

I hope this helps explain my acts. I undid your edits rather quickly because you were doing so much tagging, I wanted you to stop before you did another dozen or two dozen pages that would have to be reverted. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:51, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

@Liz: Hi Liz,

Thanks a lot for your thorough explanation!

No worries about it, I was really convinced that these pages could be tagged as G13 as well. Normally I wait until my edits are processed by an admin, like the pages which were deleted yesterday evening, before I continue working on such tasks.

Thanks again for pointing me to the right direction - I'm going to check the article you suggested me, before I resume working on abandoned/stale drafts or pages.

Kind regards

I-Bin-A-Bibi (talk) 20:03, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Cregan

What is the point of edits like this?

You could've easily just Googled and added an easy and obvious source, considering the article was about a member of parliament, instead you decided to take the lazy option of tagging it for deletion and leave it for someone else to add that source, someone immediately did it anyway, and you still wind up tagging the talk page with a pointless "Liz wuz here" message. The Drover's Wife (talk) 22:27, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Actually, it's even worse. You're rapid-fire tagging for people for deletion, specifically targeting who are an absolutely clear pass for WP:NPOL with zero effort whatsoever to even do a solitary one-page Google search. This is about as close to vandalism as you can get while being notionally excused by a policy, and I'm not sure why one would do it in good faith. The Drover's Wife (talk) 22:35, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

(ec)Hello, The Drover's Wife,

Nice to see you. This article was one of about dozen biographies that showed up as unreferenced which I tagged as BLP PRODs. Most of the bios were of retired football players. Twinkle automatically puts a notice on the article talk page when you tag an article, I'm responsible for my edits but I didn't post that myself, the program did. You'll find these tags on the talk page of any article or photo that has been PROD'd to let editors know it has been PROD'd once so that it isn't tagged again in the future. I think that is a helpful feature.

Twinkle also posts a message alerting the article creator that the page was tagged with as a BLP PROD and, personally, I think that editor should find a reference. I'm sorry that you see it as "lazy" but I have other tasks I wanted to get to besides tracking down references for every unreferenced biography. We all have areas that we focus on and that is not mine. I keep busy with other activities that have added up to 205,000 edits on this project. Back to work. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:40, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

If you can't be bothered doing the most basic Google, why don't you find some more productive areas? Demanding that other editors drop everything to frantically clean up your mess (because you are the one dealing with this in the laziest and most destructive way possible) is phenomenally unhelpful. The Drover's Wife (talk) 22:51, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Dear Liz, This is Imran, from India. I have been following your work for some time and I really think I can learn a lot from you. If you think I can learn something from you, please let me know. it would be great for me to learn from you. Thanks Kimran999 (talk) 08:58, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Kimran999,

Thank you for the barnstar. You probably can learn a lot from many editors here. I've been regularly editing since 2013 and I still learn things about Wikipedia every day. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:14, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Update

So, you probably won't see the edit I made earlier because it has been a few days, so I'm just putting it here again.

So, Materialscientist deleted my page because it contained content that I created. And no, I'm not asking you to restore it or anything: I understand and accept the deletion. But please can you or another mod of the page before deletion (because I can't view it despite creating it), and I can't remember the exact details as I wrote it a while ago; then I can simply put it somewhere else (don't worry, I won't spam articles about stuff I made up). Thank you! Binary198 (talk) 09:59, 10 August 2021 (UTC)Binary198

Sorry if I come across as impatient, rude or a jerk but why are you answering the questions of everyone above and below me and not me :( Binary198 (talk) 12:27, 12 August 2021 (UTC)Binary198

Okay I guess I will never get my information, so thank you but no thank you Binary198 (talk) 09:37, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

Workingepskeiskxkke, round 2

Hi Liz,

This user has continued adding unsourced material to the page for Coaster, despite warnings from you and others. I've been watching the page at the request of a fellow editor in hopes this user would stop their disruptive edits, but unfortunately they have continued, as shown here: [12] At this point I think a block from editing this article is appropriate. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 23:07, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Trainsandotherthings,

 Done I agree. I've given them a page block for one month. Hopefully, they will do productive edits on other articles. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:13, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Ali Al Suleiman (writer): Wikipedia email from user "Sabah Ahmad TR"

I received an email about Ali Al Suleiman (writer) from Sabah Ahmad TR (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log), and thought that I should pass it on to you.

Hello, this article has been deleted because the admin thought it was promotional , if you interested in it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Al_Suleiman_(writer)
Can you request that the article be returned from the deletion?
A source from BBC Turkish will be available soon

I suspect that even the BBC Turkish coverage will not be enough to demonstrate notability, but you might consider draftifying the deleted article. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 09:51, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

• Or possibly not, since I see that the user's account has been globally locked. * 09:18, 12 August 2021 علاء talk contribs changed status for global account "User:Sabah Ahmad TR@global": set locked; unset (none) (Long-term abuse: علي أبو عمر) Regards, Eastmain (talk • contribs) 09:53, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

@Eastmain:, this is a globally locked LTA.--Eostrix  (^{🦉 hoot} _hoot🦉) 09:54, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Eastmain & Eostrix,

Yes, this is a sockpuppeteer who is insistent about creating an article on himself. There must be 6 or 7 pages under his name that now have semi- or extended protection so he is asking other editors to write this article. Thanks for letting me know. He is globally blocked but I've blocked him on En Wikipedia so that I could stop him from sending email. Thanks again. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:03, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Speedy removal

Can you please explain this edit. "please provide a link to the deletion discussion". The link is in the csd tag as is the norm. Where else does it need to be provided. duffbeerforme (talk) 23:23, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, duffbeerforme,

When I've seen a CSD tag such as you used, "deletion discussion" is typically a link to the policy page about deletions. I didn't check to see that in this case, this was a link to the page log. Typically, the CSD tag contains a direct link to an AFD/TFD/CFD/etc. discussion which wasn't the case here. I'm used to editors using Twinkle to tag pages for deletion and that CSD tag looks different and has a direct link to the discussion. Sorry for my mistake. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:35, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia Clean start

Hi Liz , how are you? hope you are well I apologize for all the inconvenience I've done and I won't bother anyone anymore ! The reason why I asked the editors to create a page about me, is because I think I am a Notable person because My sources are independent and reliable and i have a significant coverage sources and i have anti-turkshgovernment sources talked about me as well , and the sources related to the Turkish government It has doesn't any relation the political news of the Turkish government and is fairly reliable Just FIY , I didn't pay and cent for this news I hope to be given a chance for this article and I think a good experienced editor would agree with me ,all thanks to you Liz and Editors for the Comments and everything Kingsif and Silver seren Let's analyze the sources, please firstly ,Government sources that are owned by the Turkish state and talk about non-political news are reliable, according to Wikipedia Like TRT World Daily Sabah Yeni Şafak Yeni Akit please see Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources, secondly, This is a source Gunboyu gazetesi anti-turkish gov has talked about me thirdly, I have sources independent of the Turkish government talked about me, like İstiklal Akşam Diriliş Postası Fourthly,I had an account with 200 edits and I was creating notable articles, but I was banned because the Arab steward had a personal disputes between me ,this is not fair Can you help me Liz to get my account back? User:Aliaboomar all the respect I hope this is taken into consideration and I hope you sympathize with me on this matter I promise you there will be no inconvenience to anyone in the future Honestly, I want a permanent solution to this problem

what is your opinion about my explain to this matter Liz

can you help please

Hello,

According to this WikiMedia report, you have created over 200 sockpuppets so I'm not sure what to call you. If you can go without socking for 6-12 months, there is a small chance you could make an appeal and get one of your accounts reinstated. But it is a small chance. You have done so much sockpuppetry that I doubt any steward or administrator would give you any more chances. It is certainly not up to me to unblock you after this much sockpuppetry.

And if you could get your account back, you could not use it to write an article about yourself. You don't seem to understand that Wikipedia is not for self-promotion, it is not appropriate to use it to promote and advertise yourself, your work or your career. It's an encyclopedia, not LinkedIn. Because of all of your sockpuppetry, I don't think an article will ever be possible, you and your behavior are too well-known at this point.

I appreciate your politeness but I think you have gone too far on too many different Wikipedia projects, not just the English one, to undo the damage that has been done. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:13, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi user:Liz I'm Ali Please don't block me this is the last message I send youCan you help restore the article to the draft

And delete the promotional links and make them encyclopedic, all respect to you https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_undeletion#Ali_Al_Suleiman_%28writer%29 I don't need to promote my accounts , I'm a Notable person as you see on google , thank you also Reliable and independent sources like BBC Turkey and other will be available',I hope you will take this into consideration please and please If it is promotional, can this page be returned? Created by a well-known editor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Ali_Al_Suleiman_(journalist) stay safe also Should the Arabic language Admin and steward be rewarded with an article on Wikipedia? Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alaa Najjar And there is no reliable sources coverage about him? Just because he won the wiki award and so on, Arab voters are editors on the Arabic wiki and so they vote for their admin, who created the article, is an editor on the Arabic wiki. Is this fair?

Turbo Zone Direct

Hi Liz, sorry you needed to delete the article for Turbo Zone Direct. Can you please put the past 2 deleted archives in my user page so I can correctly put this article through the review process? Thank you. bfrasure (talk) 14 August 2021

Hello, bfrasure,

I just posted a note on your talk page. I'm sorry for forgetting about your request. You can find it at User:Bfrasure/Turbo Zone Direct. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:44, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Deathpact

Thanks for the message regarding the six month deletion notice for Draft:Deathpact, however, I would like to attest that the message may have been intended for a different user. The history of the deleted content shows that I had originally started it as a redirect, then another user overwrote the redirect with an article that was subsequently moved to draftspace. Thanks for understanding. Jalen Folf (talk) 04:54, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Jalen

Looking into this, you started the page as a redirect to Certain Kind of Magic. But then, as you say, quite a lot of other edits happened. Unfortunately, Twinkle just goes back to whomever started the page to notify. This isn't the first time this has happened, I had another editor who moved a page a long time ago but he was listed as the page creator and he was quite irritated to get this notification. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:00, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

Proposed speedy deletion of article Mainchi Cultural prizes

Hi Liz, I propose that this article Mainchi Cultural prizes should be speedily deleted without prior discussion, as it contains a typo in its title (incorrect "Mainchi" instead of the correct "Mainichi"), and it's unlikely that people will search for this with a typo in it. (Easy to see as this award is sponsored by the Mainichi Shimbun, written with three "i".) For a temporary solution, I made a redirect to the correctly spelled title, but I think this redirect page is rather obsolete now. What do you think? Best, Robert Kerber (talk) 15:47, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Robert Kerber,

Actually, many redirects on Wikipedia are misspellings. Readers searching for the award may not know the exact spelling of the award. It's not an implausible redirect since it is such a close misspelling so if you think it should be deleted, you should nominate it for deletion at WP:RFD. But I think you can up with a good solution though. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:07, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

Started a discussion as proposed. Thanks, Robert Kerber (talk) 07:12, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion

Hello. I was sorry to see that you have erased the article on Otzar Haaretz.. I am not sure why this was removed from the main English site and moved to draft in the beginning. It relates to a Jewish religious solution to the agricultural sabbatical year which is about to begin in 3 week and therefore very timely. It is based on the Hebrew article on this subject that I translated. I would greatly appreciate your help to reinstate the article. Thank you in advance for yor your help. Drkup(IMJ) (talk) 22:47, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Otzar_Ha%27aretz&action=edit&redlink=1 Drkup(IMJ) (talk) 22:50, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Drkup(IMJ),

Drafts that are judged to be "stale" (6 months without a human edit) are subject to deletion as they are considered abandoned but the good news is that they are easily restored upon request so Draft:Otzar Ha'aretz is back.

If you would like it to be moved back into the main space of the project, you can do so. Often though, editors who move articles into Draft space can see them as likely to be deleted and Draft space is a safer place to work on and improve the articles so they are not so vulnerable to speedy deletion. So, I would not interpret this move into Draft space as a comment on the importance of the subject matter and more like the page mover was hoping that the article would be worked on and made less likely to be deleted. Unfortunately, having a page put into Draft space can mean that few editors will see it and spend time on it.

Ultimately, what we want are lots of great articles so if you are willing to work on this one, that's the best result possible. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:02, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

Isaac Saul

A little while back, I created an article on the journalist Isaac Saul, which was deleted for non-notability. However, since then several more references came out supporting his notability, so I recreated the article and published it. It's also worth noting that I checked the draft with Missvain first, the admin who deleted it in the first place, and I feel confident that it satisfies the GNG. However, it was speedily deleted by G4 despite being fairly different from the article that was original deleted. Do you mind looking at the deleted article (an identical copy is in my sandbox) and letting me know if it passes notability and is okay to return to the mainspace? I'm just posting this on your page because you were the admin who carried out the G4 speedy deletion. Thanks, Mover of molehills (talk) 11:58, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Mover of molehills,

How about this, I'll restore Isaac Saul as a draft and you can submit it to Articles for Creation for review. That's the primary way that articles that have been deleted through a AFD deletion discussion can overcome this decision. I think if I restore it directly to main space, it will just be tagged for deletion again and you'll be going through this discussion once more with a different admin. If it passes AFC review, it is very unlikely to be tagged again for CSD G4 speedy deletion. What do you think? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:54, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

I guess that would be okay, but it's frustrating because I actually created it through AfC in the first place and it was approved. Especially now that I've added more sources, is there any chance I could leave a message on the talk page, saying that it has been approved by three different admins by now and should not be nominated for G4 deletion? Mover of molehills (talk) 01:54, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

That's puzzling, I'm not sure why it was tagged for deletion if it was approved by an AFC reviewer. That must be frustrating. I'll restore it right now at Draft:Isaac Saul. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:06, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Great, thank you! Is there any chance that I can publish it now with a note on the talk page about its history, or do I need to go through AfC once again? Mover of molehills (talk) 12:28, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello,Mover of molehills,

You can, of course, move the page right into the main space. But, like I said, it is likely that the same editor who tagged it for speedy deletion before will do so again (or another new page patroller will). I would go through AFC again and, when it's accepted, have them state this in the edit summary when the page is moved over. It might help though if you go to the reviewer who passed it before and explain the situation. They could oblige so you don't have to wait weeks to get it reviewed after it is submitted. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:10, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! That sounds like a good idea! Mover of molehills (talk) 16:47, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Ariticle removing

Hi Liz i hope you are well I did not find what was the mistake that made you remove the article, despite the passage of more than a month since the approval By AFC reviewer, I may have made a mistake in something, but I have no knowledge of it because I am a beginner in this encyclopedia, and I may deserve a chance if I am wrong. I request you to provide more clarification and advise me on the best solution for restoring the article

Hello?

I'm not sure what article you are talking about. Also, always sign your talk page posts with four tildes (~~~~) so I know who I'm talking to. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:12, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/RedX8 -- RoySmith (talk) 11:43, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

i talk about abdullah bin sulaiman al rajhi article Elshitaq (talk) 12:19, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Moving an article from draft space

Dcw2003 (talk) I am dcw2003. Thanks for your note. I accidentally created an article, John R. Thistlewaite which became a draft article because I never saved it, I believe. Sorry about that. Thanks for pointing that out.

More critically, I created two articles, John R. Thistlewaite, and John R. Thistlethwaite, because I noted that Thistlewaite is the wrong spelling for the subject of the article, although oddly, at least one newspaper article spelled his name as Thistlewaite. At any rate I copied the content of John R. Thistlewaite to John R. Thistleswaite, and changed all references to his hame to Thistleswaite, but have not deleted the John R. Thistlewaite article. His tombstone, and most references to him spell his name as John R. Thistlethwaite. I'm not sure how to delete the John R. Thistlewaite article, or even if I can. I would prefer you inform me of any action your take, and that you certainly DO NOT DELETE the John R. Thistleswaite article. (Sorry for the caps)

Thank-you for any help you can provide.

Can you make a suggestion?

Thanks,

D. Wasserman

Hello, Dcw2003,

I'm confused by what you want me to do. It would help if you would link to the articles/drafts. If you have questions about content creation and which name to use, I'd ask for help at the Teahouse or Articles for Creation and they could assist you. I'm not an expert on content issues and writing problems.

I only noticed your article because I check a page that lists articles that have been moved to Draft space. I do look over articles that are tagged for speedy deletion by editors but I don't spend time going out there, looking for articles to delete. If you ever want to delete an article or draft you created, you can tag it for deletion as the page creator or let me know, again, by linking to the article/draft you are referring to. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:20, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Draft:ShoCore

would you like this postponed another 6 months? I can't judge at all in this subject. DGG ( talk ) 03:53, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, David,

Actually, Atlantic306 tags most drafts as "promising" and I was honoring that tag by postponing deletion for another 6 months. Typically, I give promising drafts 12 months of no activity before deletion. But I think the "promising draft" system is flawed because most editors do not know about Category:Promising draft articles and to check it for promising drafts. Tagging doesn't have much effect if no one improves those drafts. As for Draft:ShoCore, I'm not sure what was promising about this particular draft but I know nothing about Canadian rock bands. I have no opinion about this one. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:00, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

ditto. It is used too inconsistently. It's as a minimum necessary to leave a comment saying why. (I am trying to devise a scheme for the better handing of 6 or 12 month old drafts. There are 3 groups that need different treatment. 1/ those never formally submitted. It would be easy to just submit them, and if they're ok I do, and usually accept it, but if they' need work and the person isn;'t around, which is the overwhelming majority and there's a good chance of notability , I do not like to see them removed. 2/ is similar, but they were declined and proerly so, but they can be rescued. I care only if it would be an important article or the rescue is trivial. 3/ and these are the ones that really bother me, where they were declined for an incorrect reason, and are actually ok or close to ok. . I don't like to call single errors to attention,, but I try to keep in mind significant lack of knowledge from new reviewers and I at least try sometimes to explain to them. . --persistent errors from someone who ought to know better, I just re-review, with a note. It's usually hopeless to explain, without provoking a quarrel.

I think I will figure out a way of labellling all of these this later this year. so at least they won't get lost again. DGG ( talk ) 04:22, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

xxxx

Hi Liz. I recently created a draft about Ebstar whose a DJ in China. It's my first article and it was speedily deleted with the reasons being its promotional stuff. I kindly ask for a review as I didn't intentionally promote this fellow,,, i simply cited official sources such as Genius & Spinnin Records as well as official songs links from Apple Music. Please kindly point out where its promotional because i wrote this with transparency for a client quoting and citing proven sources. i also acknoledge am new at article writing and so i kindly ask for your help. I'm willing to ensure transparency and getting this page up for my client.

Please help Ebstar.

Hello, EMT2001,

You refer to this this person as your "client". If you are being paid to do editing, you need to abide by Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure. Please do so or you could lose your editing privileges. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:09, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Email

If you would delete the page, that'd be great. Thanks. WikiIsKnowledge (talk) 01:41, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, WikiIsKnowledge,

 Done Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:05, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Uday Ali Pabrai

Hi,

We were unaware of the Wiki’s terms and conditions and the privacy policy, we will delete all the promotion contents. Kindly guide us how to proceed further, is there a possibility to recover the same page or can we create as a new page.

Please advice.

Thanks. Syedshawar (talk) 05:48, 20 August 2021 (UTC)syed shawar

Hello, Syedshawar,

It looks like this article was deleted through this deletion discussion (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Uday Ali Pabrai). If you would like an article on this subject, you have to work on an article in Draft space and submit it to Articles for Creation for review and acceptance.

For more help, I suggest you go to AFC or the Teahouse, they can help answer your questions. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:54, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

DO NOT PUT INCORRECT DELETION TAGS

Hi. You just put a deletion tag on Category:Lists of Thor launches for being empty. It is clear that is NOT empty (it has 4 pages on it). Had I not seen that, this category could have been deleted reasonlessly. @Liz:

Hello, Starship SN20,

You have only been an editor for a day so I'm guessing you don't know much about how Wikipedia works. First, do not use all caps, it's like you are SHOUTING which is rude.

Second, the category was empty when I tagged it two hours ago. It only has pages in it now because you just put them there! Empty categories are tagged and then sit for 7 days. If, over that week, they are no longer empty, then the tag is removed. This happens all of the time. If the categories are still empty after a week, then they are deleted. So, there was no reason to panic. And even if this category had been deleted in 7 days, empty categories can always be recreated if they are needed.

I imagine you have a lot of questions about editing Wikipedia, being so new, so please bring them to the Teahouse where they can help you out with your concerns. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:02, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Okay. Sorry. @Liz:

CSD decline

Hi Liz, Can you tell me that why did you decline my CSD request of User talk:JaventheAlderick/Shenton Way Bus Terminal. It was part of a SWAP move that I performed, and the one who requested the move at RMT got User:JaventheAlderick/Shenton Way Bus Terminal deleted only, leaving the other residual junk free i.e. this talk page of User:JaventheAlderick/Shenton Way Bus Terminal. This should be deleted as well. See User talk:JaventheAlderick#Shenton Way Bus Terminal as well. ─ The Aafī ^(talk) 04:14, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, TheAafi,

The page tag stated "This redirect may meet Wikipedia's criteria for speedy deletion as a talk page of a page which has never existed or has been deleted' and I didn't see how this applied to this user talk page. This page could very well deserve deletion but I didn't see the rationale of the tag that was placed on the page. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:18, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

I see. I make silly mistakes sometimes when it comes to CSD. I thought since the base page was deleted by Materialscientist, the rationale was okay, because "talk page of a page which has never existed or has been deleted". What criteria it meets according to you? You can rightly delete it per that. I think that it meets the WP:G8 criteria and that made me tag it with Db-talk... ─ The Aafī ^(talk) 04:26, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Well, the page is deleted. For some reason, with user pages, I have to type in "Talk page of deleted page" which is an option with other name spaces but doesn't appear in the drop down menu for speedy deletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:30, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Talkback: you've got messages!

Hello, Liz. You have new messages at Qwerfjkl's talk page.
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Qwerfjkltalk

Jeremiah's Grotto

Hi Liz. 20 words are enough, is that OK now? I can cut the redirect removal request to even less, but is it necessary? The case is clear anyway: the redirect item is in no way identical with the redirect target. None. Thanks, Arminden (talk) 23:52, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Arminden,

Typically, if there is a long explanation for a CSD tagged page, then we advise editors to use Proposed Deletion or Articles for Deletion instead. I'll look at it but my standard process for looking at CSD pages is unless it is vandalism or the work of a brand new editor, if I refuse to delete a CSD tagged page, I let another admin review it if it is proposed again. It can help to get a different set of eyes. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:57, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Liz. The matter speaks for itself, whatever would allow me to get a new article going is welcome - not so much for me, as for the Wiki user. The editor who created the redirect has stopped contributing in 2018, not long after placing it. Check my history, I'm not new on Wiki, but never cared much for the "behind the scenes" technical & admin aspects, and sometimes it comes back to bite me. Arminden (talk) 00:07, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Arminden,

You'll be able to tell how comfortable admins are with your explanation by how fast the response is to your tagging. So far, no one has chosen to delete this page and pages marked for CSD uncontroversial deletion are usually deleted quite quickly. If the article gets untagged by another admin or it doesn't get deleted for hours or days, then you'll know that your explanation might not be sufficient to persuade an admin to delete this page. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:24, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi Liz,

I've had a very mixed experience with such deletions. Some went quick, but some took quite long, with nobody pushing against my proposal either. Just like that. All were eventually accepted, as far as I can tell, so patience helps. I admit, I'm always having a very, very hard time understanding Wiki "how-to" explanations, but I'll try out "Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion#How to list a redirect for discussion". Thanks again for your kindness! Arminden (talk) 17:54, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Ha! It's happened! It's been deleted. Wonderful, I can do what I'm better at – archaeology, history, culture... Not technical stuff. Cheers! Arminden (talk) 17:57, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Jeff Bazos redirect

Any reason you think Bezos might not be misspelled Bazos? It's quite common on Google search. Misspelling Wizard (talk) 05:31, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Misspelling Wizard,

There are an infinite number of possible misspellings of words. Please slow down with your creation of redirects and be more selective. I thought this was an implausible misspelling as were several more that you created. Creating as many new pages as you did the other day is a guaranteed way for administrators to start scrutinizing the work you are doing.

If you strongly disagree with me, I'd run it past Qwerfjkl at Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Redirects and categories. But, above all, Misspelling Wizard, do not start creating hundreds of misspelled redirects or you will start getting negative attention from administrators. We've found that enthusiastic new editors can cause a lot of disruption on the project when they generate a lot of new pages without the knowledge and experience to evaluate what they are doing. Take things slow and try to collaborate with other editors. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:40, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Google returns 38,000! results for "Jeff Bazos" (exactly). You will find that erroneous spelling even in established news sources. @Misspelling Wizard: I suggest that you keep readily available data on how many Google hits an exact misspelling gets. You can do it in your userspace; a good page title is User:Misspelling Wizard/Redirects. You will be able to point to this page whenever someone wants to delete your redirects. WIKINIGHTS _talk 06:24, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Category:Requests for Radio peer review

"2020-11-28T19:05:03 Liz talk contribs deleted page Category:Requests for Radio peer review (C1: Empty category) (thank)"

Wikipedia:WikiProject Radio/to do has some articles that seem to be in that category, but the source code seems odd.... Would you take a look? I wanted to recreate Category:Requests for Radio peer review .... 0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 17:50, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, 0mtwb9gd5wx,

Category:Requests for Radio peer review was an empty category so it was deleted. If it isn't empty, it can be restored. But we don't restore empty categories before pages have been assigned to them. But if you assign a page to this red link category, I'll restore it and the page history.

As far as Wikipedia:WikiProject Radio/to do, "To do" pages seems to be a feature of WikiProjects back in the mid-2000s. I don't see them used much these days. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:54, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

@Liz: Wikipedia:WikiProject Radio/to do has a hacked template that implies there are Requests for Radio peer review it may be vandalism, the code is after the template. .... 0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 18:40, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

@Liz: Special:PrefixIndex/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Radio/ has stuff... 0mtwb9gd5wx (talk)

Okay, 0mtwb9gd5wx, I thought you would take care of this but I assigned a page to the category Category:Requests for Radio peer review and restored it. You can add additional pages to this category, whatever you think is necessary. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:00, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

@Liz: I don't know anything about the technical stuff about those pages, I was trying to fix something I thought was broken. Pages at Special:PrefixIndex/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Radio/ seem broken. Requests for Radio peer review there seem to be from 2009-2010. WikiProject Radio needs repair from somebody who understands the mediawiki infrastructure. I was misled by what seems to be broken at Special:PrefixIndex/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Radio/. .... 0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 19:15, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Well, I'm confused then. I thought you were asking for this category to be restored. As far as "code" goes, I'm not technically minded either. I'd go to the Village Pump technical forum. Editors who frequent that noticeboard are pretty quick to respond if there is a problem. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:20, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

John R. Thistlewaite is now a redirect page as requested

Dcw2003 (talk) Dcw2003 (talk) 20:37, 24 August 2021 (UTC) Thanks for your help Liz!!

Ok Liz, I put in a redirect from John R. Thistlewaite to redirect the page to John R. Thistlethwaite as requested. I was going to ask you to do this since its been a while since I've done this sort of thing, but I managed. John R. Thistlewaite now is only a redirect page. You can acknowledge you've received this if you wish. Thanks for your edits. And thanks for not unnecessarily deleting any of my work, as is occasionally done by some editors. (Though its rare)

Can you tell me if there is a good general document on Wiki that discusses each of these issues? Or do most functions have to all be individually accessed by name?

Thanks,

David

PS: DO you use your email address in your username for wiki? I imagine its not a great idea for security.

Thanks again!!!!

Hello, Dcw2003,

Thank you for resolving this. Turning an extra page into a redirect is a great way to retain the page history if you want to be able to access that in the future. You can find more information about redirects at Wikipedia:Redirect and Wikipedia:How to make a redirect. I'm not sure what other policy pages you are curious about.

One great source of information is to go to the Teahouse to ask questions as there are a lot of experienced editors who patrol that noticeboard and can answer questions pretty quickly. I still go there for help if I don't know the location of a specific page that I remember seeing or coming across. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:10, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

As for my email address, I do have "Liz" in it but it's a fairly common name in the U.S. so I think it's okay. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:12, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

dcw2003

Dcw2003 (talk) 22:42, 24 August 2021 (UTC)Thank-you Liz. Perhaps I can use you as a source for other questions.

Blucora/InfoSpace

His Liz, could you fix the redirect issue on the talk page too? for the Blucora move over redirect to InfoSpace? ♟♙ (talk) 18:07, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, EnPassant,

The talk page should have been moved over with the main page but somehow wasn't. I've taken care of that now. Thanks for letting me know. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:18, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

August 2021

Hi, I saw your message on my talk page. Since you told me to not tag speedy deletion tags on articles or draft because I am not an experienced editor, would you mind to delete Draft:Paano Ba Kitang Mamahalin?, Draft:Pangarap Ko Ang Ibigin Ka (TV series) and Draft:Pangarap Ko Ang Ibigin Ka (TV series) 2 because these drafts are hoaxes? Thank You! 120.29.76.128 (talk) 01:51, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, 120.29.76.128,

No, I will not delete these pages. For one thing, they are drafts so no readers will encounter them. Secondly, you are an IP editor without a track record so I don't have any way to evaluate your judgment. They are not obviously a hoax so, unlike vandalism, BLP or copyright violations, I can not see that they are hurting the project. Thirdly, the page creator, Andrewbaifern, has been editing for 7 months without any apparent problems. Finally, you didn't know enough to post notices on the page creator's talk page to let him know that you had tagged these pages for deletion.

If you had created an account and I could see evidence that you are a responsible editor, your opinion might carry more weight but hoaxes have to be OBVIOUS and these aren't, at least to me. Sorry. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:07, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

PROD

Hi Liz. Thanks for all your work keeping CAT:EXPROD clear. Just one question: you declined a PROD here because the article had previously been dePRODded. While that would of course normally be entirely correct, this is a special case: as the page history shows, the dePRODder was a sockpuppet whose edits were being reverted per WP:BANREVERT. WP:DEPROD actually discusses this case, noting that "a tag may be restored if removed by a banned user or blocked user evading a block". Since that's what happened, it would seem that this article is eligible to be deleted. Do let me know if I'm missing something (which is always possible!). Cheers, Extraordinary Writ (talk) 23:09, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Extraordinary Writ,

"In addition, a tag may be restored if removed by a banned user or blocked user evading a block." Learn something new every day. I had never run into this situation before. Thanks for pointing this out. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:14, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Speedy upmerging

Please see my proposal to upmerge Category:2019 Nigeria senatorial elections to Category:2019 Nigerian Senate elections. Hugo999 (talk) 04:03, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Hugo999,

I'll take a look. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:25, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

'Salem's Lot (film)

Hi Liz, just quickly wanted to ask you a question. Regarding the redirect at 'Salem's Lot (film) and the Rfd discussion, am I permitted to remove the request and request for speedy deletion, to accomodate for a cleaner draft-to-mainspace move, or should I wait further until comments have been added to the Rfd? Thanks. KaitoNkmra23 (talk!) 07:30, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, KaitoNkmra23,

As the editor who proposed the deletion discussion, you can always withdraw your request but don't remove the RFD tag from the page until someone closes the discussion. But after you withdraw your proposal, you could post a request on the talk page of an editor or admin who frequently closes RfD discussions and ask them if they could take action.

There are advantages to an RfD discussion. There is no guarantee that an admin will agree with a speedy deletion tagging and it does look like you have support in your RfD proposal. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:23, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

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Don't move to draftspace

Please don't move to draftspace my document. Okay? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hajoon0102 (talk • contribs) 01:31, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

No, not okay. Who are you and what page are you talking about? Moving to Draft space is an alternative to deletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:16, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Request to undelete User:Tom (LT)/sandbox/WikiProject days of the year interview draft

Hi Liz. Just wondering if you could undelete User:Tom (LT)/sandbox/WikiProject days of the year interview draft . It was moved to the Signpost draft page? (I think) and I find it helpful to keep my redirects as I often have linked to them (twice in this instant). If you can undelete it I can also work out why it triggered to display as problematic and so prevent this happening in the future. Thanks, Tom (LT) (talk) 03:40, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Tom (LT),

 Done Happy to. Just remove the broken redirect or it will keep popping up on the broken redirects list. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:43, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Link removal

Hi! Just wanted to give you a heads up to not remove only the link markup after you delete a page, especially in disambiguation pages. (Such as this.) A disambugation page can't have entries that don't exist. The same goes for some templates, such as the ones for populated places. Geschichte (talk) 19:44, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Geschichte,

Okay, I need to double-check this with you. Every time I delete a PROD, I unlink all of the links so that articles aren't littered with red links for an article that will not be created. I usually try to delete any page mentions of deleted articles when it is appropriate but I guess I missed this one.

Are you saying it's better to leave red links? Because I don't think most admins who delete PRODs unlink mentions of them, that step is skipped. I thought I was going the extra step by turning the red links to standard text. ALiz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:15, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Page Deletion Request

[[21:36, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello,

I won't delete an article with your claim of being the subject of a Wikipedia draft article especially after your previous stunts to have this draft deleted. If you wish to pursue deletion, go to Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Help or Wikipedia:Contact us and you can request deletion after you verify you are the same person. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:45, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

21:47, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello,

I just told you the steps you need to take to have this draft deleted. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:50, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi Liz. I don't take threats and don't endorse any of the methods employed here, and I also question what may happen with the topic the future, but I am confident that G7 has been satisfied somewhere along the line. Unless you yell at me promptly, I'll delete it. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 21:56, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, zzuuzz,

I don't yell. Well, I did once, recently, and I got called to ANI for it. I am not advocating for this draft article, I objected to sockpuppets PRODding a draft, several times, it doesn't seem like the typical response of an unhappy subject of an article. You can delete on any grounds that you, or any admin, believe fits this situation. But thanks for asking first. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:10, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

I know exactly where you're coming from, and yes I appreciate things look a bit strange. Fortunately, I have some magic available to unpick and expedite this particular situation. I thought it would be worth a quick explanation. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 22:23, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Oh, right, your CU tools, zzuuzz. Well, if all four accounts are the same person, I guess I owe them a sort of apology. I never thought to bother a CU over what appeared to me to be trollish behavior. Next time, I will. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:36, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

I don't think you should be apologising for anything. Anyway, hopefully that's the last we'll be hearing about that. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 22:40, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

First, please do not edit talk page comments. If you want you can <s>strike out</s> any content you no longer need or believe.

Secondly, accounts are not deleted, none are. But you can blank user pages and user talk pages if you'd like, just remove the content on the page. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:59, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Requesting to create a redirect page

HelenDegenerate send me to you. In Rishton Ka Manjha as there is a main cast Ayan Nayak as the person doesn't have any article. Can you create a redirect page Rishton Ka Manjha on the person as Ayan Nayak is protected. খানকির চালে (talk) 02:20, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, খানকির চালে,

I'm not sure why she sent you to me. I don't know any of these names, are these people? I suggest you create the redirect yourself or request it at Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Redirects and categories. But you'll have to provide a better explanation because these names are likely to be unfamiliar to the editors there, too. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:39, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Ayan Nayak a person and Rishton Ka Manjha is a article for a Hindi Daily Soap as the person does not have any article that's why I thought to make an redirect page for Ayan Nayak as the entity does not have any article and the page is protected to create only administrator could create Ayan Nayak. I can only make a draft for him I would request you to move that to the mainspace. Thankyou খানকির চালে (talk) 02:45, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Why was a page removed?

Hello Liz,

Can you tell me why the page “Every Fool His Own Tool” was removed, March 2021? It was a page describing a software engineering anti-pattern. Several non-wikipedia articles now link to a nonexistent page.

I could not find the history on the delete anywhere.

Thanks HighTML (talk) 05:26, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

It was deleted by you on 19:53, 6 March 2021 HighTML (talk) 05:30, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=delete&user=Liz&page=Every_Fool_His_Own_Tool&wpdate=&tagfilter=&subtype= HighTML (talk) 07:00, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

For undeletion Undeletion

• Brij Kishore Sharma " Tara " · ( talk | logs | links | watch ) · [revisions]

I know that this page was created by a banned user or blocked user but see that page it was created by a blocked user but in good faith it was created by good faith see about it's refrences see that the person is reliable and notable as it's refrences so please undelete it It was created with Good Faiths so please review that page and undelete it and one more request please publish it —Indian Wiki User CG (talk) 10:58, 31 August 2021 (UTC) Page Link Brij Kishore Sharma " Tara "

Indian Wiki User CG (talk) 10:58, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

This is a suspected new sock of an editor already indef blocked for having created more than a dozen socks. Ignore. David notMD (talk) 14:04, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

I am in a very extreme problem

Please I beg you please read this full I am Harsh Vardhan Sharma "Tara" I have created many articles for my father, at that time when I was a kid, so I don't know about refrencing, but this time i got all reliable referencing content but I have blocked by other users because when I was kid I don't know about refrencing and after I know about referencing so I create a wikipedia page for my father who is politician but whenever I submit it for review users delete the page which has good reference and good article but they remove it because i am a blocked and banned user but at that time I don't know about the blocking policy so I create many articles for my father but this time I have reliable references but whenever I create the page in good faith then they delete it so what i do please answer what i have do i have been indefinitely blocked from wikipedia without an expiry set so please help me how to make a wikipedia page for dad Please help me to create wikipedia page I have never abuse Wikipedia I only want to add my father's name in wikipedia who is politician but that time I have nothing for refrence but this time I have so please help me to create page for my father please I beg you that time I was kid so I mistakenly abuse wikipedia by adding my father name many times without any refrences so please help me please sir

That time I don't know about blocking policy and refrencing because I am kid so please help me to create a wikipedia page for my father really I don't abuse any wikipedia page next time but please create that page contact me at my talk and I will give you contents so you have to create wikipedia page by it please that time i was kid so I don't know about wikipedia so Please help and please don't block me I will never abuse wikipedia Note- I haven't abuse wikipedia but only add my father's name many times but please this time help me I really want help so can you help me.

I will give you draft link so you have to reveiw and publish it please Are you aggree for this or not 49.35.250.10 (talk) 11:07, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

You need to read the answers which you received at WP:Help desk#I am in a very extreme problem and at WP:Teahouse#I am in Extreme Problem. You must NOT continue your sockpuppetry using IP addresses. The place to request an unblock is at User talk:HARSH VARDHAN SHARMA "TARA". --David Biddulph (talk) 11:38, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Besides following David's good advice, I think you need to give up your goal of writing articles about your father. You have a clear conflict-of-interest and it is unlikely that he is notable enough to warrant an encyclopedia article. As long as you keep trying to spam his name around the project, you are not going to be unblocked for very long and this is true whether you are 10 or 100 years old. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:52, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Kashmir Premier League

Kashmir Premier League (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

I asked for this deleting in order to fix the mess one editor has created with a series of controversial and undiscussed moves. It used to be a disambiguation page, which is now located at Kashmir Premier League Topics. This has two primary entries, Kashmir Premier League (India) (which is still at that location) and Kashmir Premier League (Pakistan) (which also currently still exists at Kashmir Premier League due to a copy and paste move). I'm not asking for any article to be deleted, only for the status quo from before the disambiguation page was moved. FDW777 (talk) 19:43, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, FDW777,

I'm not disagreeing with your plan, which I don't fully understand, I just think it's too complicated a matter for speedy deletion which is for obvious, uncontroversial cases that fit a limited set of criteria. I recommend you propose this at WP:RM where you can explain the situation and what you want to happen. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:48, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) Or for another admin to see what has happened, to identify the move issues, and to roll it back to the status quo. —C.Fred (talk) 20:10, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, C.Fred, that would work, too. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:12, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for fixing things C.Fred. FDW777 (talk) 07:46, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

See also stuff

Hi there. Regarding your removal of the link to a non-existing article, I removed the entry altogether, per MOS:NOTSEEALSO. Hope this helps . Cheers. - DVdm (talk) 21:21, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, DVdm,

Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:23, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

DVdm, if this is an activity you like to do, there are 10 PRODs coming up in an hour that are being deleted for being "dictionary definitions" and there should be an abundance of red links after they are all deleted. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:29, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

I usually do this (1) when I review edits to articles on my watch list, (2) when reviewing edits in a Huggle session, or (3) when I happen to notice red links in the see also section. I don't really feel a need to go out and actively look for red see also's in articles with subjects I'm not really interested in . There must be thousands of them, right? But thanks for the heads-up! - DVdm (talk) 22:46, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Well, I was thinking about it because I was just told yesterday (above) about another incident where I removed a link (via a tool) of a deleted PROD when the entire article title should have been removed and I don't think most admins remove the links when they delete articles. I saw these word/phrase articles coming up for PROD deletion and thought, that's going to leave a lot of red links! But I can see now that you probably just had Wave–particle duality on your Watchlist so you don't need to go chasing after red links from deleted articles...that would be a full-time job. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:53, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Quite full indeed! A simple bot job. Surely there's a bot running around doing just that? - DVdm (talk) 23:03, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

I'm sure it's been proposed. Right now, the tool (I guess a script) will remove the red links (that an admin can choose to use or not) but, as I've learned, in some situations--like See Also sections, disambiguation pages and templates--an admin has to follow up and remove the entire entry, even if it is not a red link. The script isn't able to distinguish those incidents from uses of words in the body of articles. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:09, 31 August 2021 (UTC)