User talk:MSJapan/Archive 10

November copy edit drive

Greetings from the Guild of Copy Editors Backlog Elimination Drive! The Wikipedia Guild of Copy-Editors invites you to participate in the November 2010 Backlog Elimination Drive, a month-long effort to reduce the backlog of articles that require copy-editing. The drive will begin on 1 November at 00:00 (UTC) and will end on 30 November at 23:59 (UTC). The goal for this drive is to reduce the backlog by 10% (approximately 500 articles). We hope to focus our efforts on the oldest three months (January, February, and March 2009) and the newest three months (September, October, and November 2010) of articles in the queue. Sign-up has already begun at the November drive page, and will be open throughout the drive. If you have any questions or concerns, please leave a message on the drive's talk page. Before you begin copy-editing, please carefully read the instructions on the main drive page. Please make sure that you know how to copy-edit, and be familiar with the Wikipedia Manual of Style. Awards and barnstars A range of barnstars will be awarded to active participants, some of which are exclusive to GOCE drives. More information on awards can be found on the main drive page. Thank you; we look forward to meeting you on the drive! — The UtahraptorTalk to me/Contributions, S Masters (talk), and Diannaa (Talk)

Page protection request

Hi there! Just to let you know, you made a slight mistake when you requested protection today. You added {{la|article|Rejection Hotline}}, whereas you should have replaced 'article' with the name of the article, as in {{la|Rejection Hotline}}. I fixed it for you, and have also salted it. Just to let yuo know, no big deal :o) GedUK  09:25, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

November 2010 backlog elimination drive update

Greetings from the Guild of Copy Editors Backlog Elimination Drive! GOCE November 2010 backlog elimination drive progress graphs We have reached the midway point in our backlog elimination drive, so here is an update. Participation report — The November drive has 53 participants at this point. We had 77 participants in the September drive. In July, 95 people signed up for the drive, and in May we had 36. If you are not participating, it is not too late to join! Progress report — The drive is quite successful so far, as we have already almost reached our target of a 10% reduction in the number of articles in the backlog. We are doing very well at keeping our Requests page clear, as those articles count double for word count for this drive. Please keep in mind the possibility of removing other tags when you are finished with an article. If the article no longer needs {{cleanup}}, {{wikify}}, or other similar maintenance tags, please remove them, as this will make the tasks of other WikiProjects easier to complete. Thanks very much for participating in the Drive, and see you at the finish line! Your drive coordinators –The UtahraptorTalk to me/Contributions, S Masters (talk), and Diannaa (Talk)

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The Luchagors (album)

The last time I hit preview, the AfD was still open, then I hit save and... well it was closed for redirect. I rewrote the article and included references, I did not mean to undo the nom, but at this point would like to see what you think of the information I added. Talk to you soon - Theornamentalist (talk) 03:31, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

I can correct the touring information, it may be extraneous. The fact that they tour locally is of no importance, we cannot gage their notability based on where they tour, but let me try to find a source that says they play locally. I understand the Ramones/Misfits garner a lot of comparison with any modern punk act, but someone has said it and I'm not going to delegate whether or not that is a substantial or meaningful claim. It's not our job to decide whether or not the band is relying on a gimmick or their level of musicianship. To be blunt, they have received coverage in reliable sources and that's all we can know. We can't make any judgement or assertions on why the band is getting press, simply that they are. They have been covered in multiple, independent, reliable sources, and therefore meet our notability criteria. - Theornamentalist (talk) 12:58, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

I understand where you're coming from, but it is coverage, and I don't think we're supposed to (ourselves) determine just why something is notable, as in the idea that it is only so because of inheritance. We just basically copy what is already out there as long as it meets our criteria for inclusion. Ha yeah, I thought Shane Morton was some big popular dude, cos virtually every source says so and I even considered making an article for him in order to support the idea of two notable persons (although Dumas isn't for being a musician), but everything about him stops after a sentence or two. I did find that the current drummer Racci Shay has played in Dope among other bands, which helps.

Regarding taking Dumas out of the equation, I was going to suggest the same thing. If I found all these sources for the band, I believe it would meet the requirements for an article, but since you've suggested that, I doubt I'll be proving a point with that now. - Theornamentalist (talk) 22:22, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

I think that if she was not in the band, and it wasn't assumed that we were only keeping the article in Wikipedia because she is in it as some form of inheritance, yet it received the same amount of coverage, I would certainly keep it. Change her name to Jane Doe in the album article, remove any mentions of wrestling (which is minimal) and what are you left with? (if I might say so myself ha) A well sourced article that fully meets our criteria for inclusion.

I am aware of BLP policy and general notability, what I said was "as long as it meets our criteria for inclusion" it does not matter what they write about, focus on, etc. Luchagors got coverage, period. - Theornamentalist (talk) 14:49, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

linguistics

thanks for the lengthy explanation on the spelling of Kohen. Please have a look on my further query on the talk page there--Marecheth Ho'eElohuth (talk) 19:13, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Re:protection

Done. If you need the length extended just let me know. TomStar81 (Talk) 08:05, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

GOCE elections

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November 2010 Backlog Elimination Drive Conclusion

Greetings from the Guild of Copy Editors Backlog Elimination Drive! We have reached the end of our fourth backlog elimination drive. Thanks to all who participated. Stats GOCE November 2010 backlog elimination drive graphs 58 people signed up for this drive. Of these, 48 people participated in the drive. Although we did not eliminate the months we planned to (January, February, and March 2009; and August, September, and October 2010), we did reduce the backlog by 627 articles (11.2%), which was over our goal of 10%. 49 awards will go out to 33 of 48 participants. Check out the complete list of barnstar winners here. Barnstars If you copy edited at least 4,000 words, you qualify for a barnstar. If you participated in the September 2010 backlog elimination drive, you may have earned roll-over words (more details can be found here). These roll-over words count as credit towards earning barnstars, except for leaderboard awards. We will be delivering these barnstars within the next couple of weeks. Our next drive is scheduled for January 2011. In the meantime, please consider helping out at the Wikification drive or any of the other places where help with backlogs is needed. Thank you for participating in the last 2010 backlog elimination drive! We look forward to seeing you in January! Your drive coordinators –The UtahraptorTalk to me/Contributions, S Masters (talk), and Diannaa (Talk)

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GOCE Year-end Report

Season's Greetings from the Guild of Copy Editors We have reached the end of the year, and what a year it has been! The Guild of Copy Editors was full of activity, and we achieved numerous important milestones in 2010. Read all about these in the Guild's 2010 Year-End Report. Highlights Membership grows to 503 editors 2,589 articles removed through four Backlog elimination drives Our encounter with Jimbo Wales Guild home pages reorganized and redesigned Report on our inaugural elections Guild Plans for 2011 New barnstars introduced Requests page improved Sign up for the January 2011 Backlog elimination drive! Get your copy of the Guild's 2010 Year-End Report here On behalf of the Guild, we take this opportunity to wish you Season's Greetings and Happy New Year. See you in 2011! – Your Coordinators: S Masters (lead), Diannaa, The Utahraptor, and Tea with toast.

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FYI

FYI - User_talk:Carla.hunter#Content_dispute, Jeepday (talk) 12:38, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Freemasonry

it was more to standardise them e.g. the forget-me-not was artificially small Tom B (talk) 01:47, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Richard Tyson

Sir; Why did you say 'not good enough' to my citation for Richard Tyson on List of Freemasons from earlier today? It's a VIDEO on a publically accessable web page in which the person in question says "I'm a Shriner" and goes on to be a host of sorts of the video. A man MUST be a Freemason prior to joining the Shriners. I challenge you to find a better citiation for Richard Tyson being a Freemason. In the meantime I will look for more. EricCable (talk) 21:25, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

• Just added three more. I hope this is good enough for you.EricCable (talk) 21:40, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
• On my talk page you said "A video is not a good source because, as you noted, one must go through the video (and be able to recognize the individual), so it isn't a matter of simply looking at the reference and having the answer immediately."
  • I disagree. If the cite includes at what time point in the video the person in question appears you don't have to "go through the video" and if at that point the person's name appears right under their face you don't have to "be able to recognize the individual." I would also argue that an online video is a better cite than a cite to a book, especially one that is out of print, since you can't "simply look(ing) at the reference and having the answer immediately-- Eric Cable  |  Talk  14:55, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

If you're going to delete my work...

Don't plagarize it in the discussion page. Thanks. Eric Cable  |  Talk  04:53, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

GOCE drive news

Guild of Copy Editors January 2011 backlog elimination drive Greetings from the Guild of Copy Editors January 2011 Backlog elimination drive! The drive is halfway over, so here are some mid-drive stats. Participation GOCE January 2011 backlog elimination drive progress graphs So far, 43 people have signed up for this drive. Of these, 25 have participated. If you signed up for the drive but haven't participated yet, it's not too late! Try to copy edit at least a few articles. Remember, if you have rollover words from the last drive, you will lose them if you do not participate in this drive. If you haven't signed up for the drive yet, you can sign up now. Progress report We have eliminated two months from the backlog – January and February 2009. One of our goals is to eliminate as many months as possible from the 2009 backlog. Please help us reduce the size of this part of the backlog if you haven't already. Another goal is to reduce the entire backlog by 10%, or by 515 articles. Currently, we have eliminated 375 articles from the queue, so if each participant copy edits four more articles, we will reach that goal. Thank you for participating in the January 2011 drive. We anticipate it will be another big success! Your drive coordinators –S Masters (talk), Diannaa (Talk), The UtahraptorTalk to me, and Tea with toast (Talk)

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GOCE January Backlog elimination drive conclusion

Guild of Copy Editors January 2011 Backlog elimination drive Greetings from the January 2011 Backlog elimination drive! We have reached the end of the month and the end of another successful drive; thanks to all who participated. Statistics 54 people signed up for the year's first Backlog elimination drive. Of these, 40 participated. One of our goals was to reduce the size of the backlog by at least 10%. We managed to reduce the backlog by 633 articles, or about 12%. Another goal was to eliminate as many 2009 months as possible from the queue. We eliminated January, February, March, and April—4 out of 12 months is not bad! In addition, we eliminated 37% of all remaining 2009 articles from the queue. Chaosdruid copy edited Kutch Gurjar Kashtriya for 32,711 words, which is the largest single article completed in one of our drives so far. This article counts as six 5000-K articles, and Chaosdruid wins the "most 5000-K articles" leaderboard category. Way to go! A complete list of individual results is here. Barnstars If you copy edited at least 4,000 words, you qualify for a barnstar. If you participated in the November 2010 Backlog elimination drive, you may have earned roll-over words (more details can be found here). These roll-over words count as credit towards earning barnstars, except for leaderboard awards. We will be delivering the barnstars within the next couple of weeks. Thank you for participating in this year's first Backlog elimination drive! We hope to see you in March. Your drive coordinators –S Masters (talk), Diannaa (talk), The Utahraptor (talk), and Tea with toast (talk)

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Talk:Simmons Jones Baker

Thanks for your feedback on Talk:Simmons Jones Baker. I responded to it there. Eric Cable  |  Talk  20:24, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Prod of Skin (Japanese band)

Hi MSJapan,

I removed the prod tag you placed on Skin (Japanese band). The guidelines at Wikipedia:Notability (music) suggest that musical ensembles containing multiple notable members are usually notable. Furthermore, the article implies that interest in the group has continued since their one performance, with the group members still being asked about the project in more recent interviews, which to me suggests that the group is notable. While the group only preformed once, I don't think having only one performance matters as far as Wikipedia notability guidelines are concerned. Anyway, if you disagree and still think the article should be deleted, feel free to start a discussion at AfD. Calathan (talk) 22:22, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

re: Crohn's list...

Hi MSJapan. A disability is something that can affect your day-to-day life. As someone who has Crohns (and missing a large part of my intestine), I can say that having CD is a disability, as it can affect what you do, each day to the next. Maybe the category is clumsy in it's wording (could there be a better way of titling it?) or is there a better category that could be used? Thanks. Lugnuts (talk) 08:07, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

I've also started a discussion on the Crohn's page here. Thanks. Lugnuts (talk) 08:13, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Since your name came up

FYI Your name has been mentioned at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Grand Lodge of Iowa building‎. You probably don't need to respond to the mention, but I thought you should know. Blueboar (talk) 04:22, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

GLMA

Yes, I know where the 1733 number comes from. My understanding is that the dates given in the list are the year of formation as an independent Grand Lodge. So the list does not count colonial era predecessors, which were subservient to the various Grand Lodges back in the UK. This is true for all the Provincial Grand Lodges not just MA. Blueboar (talk) 20:09, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

continuing discussion at my talk page. Blueboar (talk) 21:24, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

GOCE drive newsletter

The Guild of Copy Editors – May 2011 Backlog Elimination Drive The Guild of Copy Editors invite you to participate in the May 2011 Backlog Elimination Drive, a month-long effort to reduce the backlog of articles that require copy-editing. The drive began on May 1 at 00:00 (UTC) and will end on May 31 at 23:59 (UTC). The goals of this backlog elimination drive are to eliminate as many articles as possible from the 2009 backlog and to reduce the overall backlog by 15%. ! NEW ! In an effort to encourage the final elimination of all 2009 articles, we will be tracking them on the leaderboard for this drive. Awards and barnstars A range of barnstars will be awarded to active participants. Some are exclusive to GOCE drives. More information on awards can be found on the main drive page. We look forward to meeting you on the drive! Your GOCE coordinators: SMasters, Diannaa, Tea with toast, Chaosdruid, and Torchiest

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EDICT

Just a note that since your PROD was contested I have undeleted this article. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:47, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

When? There's no edits in the history between my prod and your undeletion. MSJapan (talk) 04:55, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

There won't be any. Deletions and undeletions aren't recorded in the article's history. However, they can be viewed by clicking "View logs for this page" from the history. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 05:04, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

GOCE elections

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Cannae (band)

In February you PRODded this, and it was deleted. Undeletion has been requested at WP:REFUND, so per WP:DEL#Proposed deletion I have restored it, and now notify you in case you wish to consider taking it to AfD. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 12:09, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Doing some research, all that I can find about this band is from the record company, with a couple secondary sources (enough for a sourced article, but not a very large one). Also, I mis-labeled my undeletion request, rather than a major label, Prosthetic is a indie label. Since this is their only claim to notability, should the matter of Prosthetic being a "more important indie label (i.e. an independent label with a history of more than a few years, and with a roster of performers, many of whom are notable)" go to a project page for others to discuss? TheWeakWilled (T * G) 15:35, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

I could post on the Wikiproject Metal, but WT:HMM isn't very active. Maybe WT:BAND would be a better venue? I could ask a few other editors who have knowledge of heavy metal music to weigh in as well. TheWeakWilled (T * G) 18:13, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Ah, point taken. I re-prodded it. Sorry about that! TheWeakWilled (T * G) 11:42, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Warning regarding the use of Rollback to revert good faith edits

The substance of your changes notwithstanding, please do not use Rollback for good faith edits (as you did here) or it could be revoked (by an uninvolved admin, of course, not me). See the Rollback Guideline. Additionally, this inappropriately marked your edits as minor. Thank you, --Doug.^{(talk • contribs)} 18:51, 27 June 2011 (UTC) (I will address the substantive elements of the edits on the talk page)

Eventually...

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GOCE drive invitation

Greetings from the Guild of Copy Editors The latest GOCE backlog elimination drive is under way! It began on 1 July and so far 18 people have signed up to help us reduce the number of articles in need of copyediting. This drive will give a 50% bonus for articles edited from the GOCE requests page. Although we have cleared the backlog of 2009 articles there are still 3,935 articles needing copyediting and any help, no matter how small, would be appreciated. We are appealing to all GOCE members, and any other editors who wish to participate, to come and help us reduce the number of articles needing copyediting, as well as the backlog of requests. If you have not signed up yet, why not take a look at the current signatories and help us by adding your name and copyediting a few articles. Barnstars will be given to anyone who edits more than 4,000 words, with special awards for the top 5 in the categories: "Number of articles", "Number of words", and "Number of articles of over 5,000 words". >>> Sign-up now <<<

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List of Freemasons

As for references 311 and 313: If they are not so reliable they must be deleted from the article. As for reference 315: If you see, it is split in two areas. The first is about Serbians and the second about non-Serbians. I went and checked that all non-Serbians have an entry in Wikipedia and only three Serbians have NOT an entry in Wikipedia.--46.246.253.148 (talk) 21:51, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Well, yes but tere are more verified freemasons who are not in the list e.g. Prince Hall.--46.246.178.119 (talk) 09:56, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Dionne Bromfield

Sorry if you thought I was being negative. I litterally was just trying to make points just about her possible Jewish roots. I wasn't trying to be offensive. Colt .55 (talk) 08:43, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

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Failing to allow nominations for delete to go through the process

On July 30 I went through the entire category of 'Persons who have made a Contribution to Freemasonry' [[1]] and found a handful of them lacking notability and references reliable sources. You thinking it was retalitory on my part for whatever reason then prejudicially undid each of my edits; thereby failing to let them go through the process of allowing other editors to check them for their merit. Your actions were arbitrary, assuming, and game playing. You had no right not to allow them through the process.--Yosesphdaviyd (talk) 05:20, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

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Notability in fraternal orders

could you give me a link to the discussion? Blueboar (talk) 11:40, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Re: Freemasonry Page (Comason / Talk)

Agree with your comments; do you have any particular target page in mind? Comason (talk) 09:14, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Mark Hatfield

The PoliticalGraveyard website, despite its name, does not just do bios of living people. For example, I am personally acquainted with a congressional candidate listed on the site who is very much alive.

As far as the lodge reference, I give a mea culpa (just trying to be bold), since I know the lodge only because it is generally known among freemasons in the area.

I have been trying to find more references, but it seems that it is becoming more difficult to find references to a person's membership. For example, Hatfield's autobiography menetions his DeMolay membership, but nothing about his Lodge membership. I believe he is a Shriner as well, by the way, having seen his photo in a fez at the Oregon Shrine center in Wilsonville.

Any help with citations would be appreciated. I believe he is notable enough to be included in this list.PhilD86 (talk) 00:35, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Please take a look at...

Hi! I just created a new page: Masonic Lodges of North Carolina. I invite you to take a look at it. (under const) Eric Cable  |  Talk  16:29, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Harassment Complaint

MSJ I'm going to say this one more time. I already reported it in that incident report. I feel that you are harassing me. I feel that you are a wiki-bully. I feel that you think you own wiki, and that you have created a personal vendetta to track me and modify my contributions with subjective opinions. You seem to hide behind your anonymity here to try to bully me, as if you are a small nobody in real life that uses this forum to feel important, especially in the category in Freemasonry. I would appreciate it if you do not have anymore contact with me. You truly make me want to kill myself, you're so depressing. If you don't cease your harassment I am going to file a formal complaint against you. THANK YOU. God Bless --Yosesphdaviyd (talk) 00:15, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Also about your other subjective edit - If you were to take the time to search for "Honorary Alumni Humane Letters" this is the type of link you would find (https://www.vts.edu/ftpimages/95/misc/misc_95974.pdf) and there are hundreds of them. People who went to unversities who gave away these degrees know that honorary alumni are treated by the university the same as actual alumni and this wiki category has no distinction between.--Yosesphdaviyd (talk) 00:51, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Not that your presence is required - just to let you know this is discussed at ANI - Agathoclea (talk) 16:22, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

GOCE drive newsletter

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Spencer

I'd advocate just leaving him alone, he knows exactly how to press your buttons and can prod you into behaviour that makes him look the injured party.

ALR (talk) 09:44, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

In this case I could be the injured party. Just saying. JASpencer (talk) 13:52, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Request for translation

Hi MSJ, I saw your name on the list of translators from Japanese to English and I have a request to make of you. It could be quite challenging. Could you possibly translate the text from Hokusai's 1820 erotic woodcut The Dream of the Fisherman's Wife, at File:Tako to ama retouched.jpg? It is already transcribed, but the transcription may need a double check. It may feature old slang and terms with different connotations than modern Japanese. Thanks in advance. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:30, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

It is already transcribed on the file page. Here it is again:

大蛸：
いつぞハいつぞハとねらいすましてゐたかいがあつて、けふといふけふ、とうとうとらまへたア。てもむつくりとしたいいぼぼだ。いもよりハなをこうぶつだ。サアサア、すつてすつてすいつくして、たんのふさせてから、いつそりうぐうへつれていつてかこつておこうか。
アレにくいたこだのう。エエ、いつそ、アレアレ、おくのこつぼのくちをすハれるので、いきがはずんで、アエエモイツク、いぼで、エエウウ、いぼで、アウアウ、そらわれをいろいろと、アレアレ、こりやどうするのだ。ヨウヨウアレアレ、いい、いい。いままでわたしをば人が、アアフフウアアフウ、たこだたこだといったがの、もうもうどふして、どふして、エエ、この、ずずず…

海女：
ぐちやぐちやズウズウ、なんと八ほんのあしのからミあんばいハどうだどうだ。あれあれ、なかがふくれあがつて、ゆのやうないんすいぬらぬらどくどく

大蛸：
アアモウくすぐつたくなつて、ぞろぞろとこしにおぼへがなくなつて、きりもさかひもなく、のそのそといきつづけだな。アア、アアいいヨいいヨ

海女：
アアモウくすぐつたくなつて、ぞろぞろとこしにおぼへがなくなつて、きりもさかひもなく、のそのそといきつづけだな。アア、アアいいヨいいヨ

小蛸：

おやかたがしまふと、またおれがこのいぼでさねがしらからけもとのあなまでこすつてこすつてきをやらせたうへですいだしてやるにヨオウオウ

The folks at WikiProject Japan said that the transcription was fairly faithful. Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:04, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks for the offer, but that's the only somewhat pressing one I have. Extermination of Evil has five images that have text that could theoretically be translated, but the paintings are from the 12th century so I doubt many people can understand them. Also, no transcription. Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:24, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

• True enough, although the spelling in 12th century English is not something I'd like to work with often. Shakespeare? No problem... but Beowulf in the original? All Greek to me. I had thought Japanese underwent similar changes. Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:36, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

• Hi MS, any luck? Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:44, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

• Oh, okay. Sorry to rush you. Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:34, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Judeo ....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Judeo-Masonic_conspiracy_theory#Reliable_source

Vexorg (talk) 06:14, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

I have put the source as posted by Galassi to consensus. It is not a reliable source by anyone's standards. Your threats to report me are frankly childish. Vexorg (talk) 03:01, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

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Can you translate カイミロア (砲艦) to Kaimiloa? Thanks.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 06:35, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

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Considering he had what appears to be a Tyler's sword handy at home, according to the source, it would seem he was a member, yes? --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 00:52, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Apostolic Missionary Union

You're arguing that the Union may not be notable. You may well be right — the research you laid out on my talk page means that there's a good possibility that there's insufficient coverage. However, please read the speedy criterion: it only permits the deletion of pages that don't explain why their subjects are important. Importance and notability are very different things, and it's quite possible for an article to make a reasonable claim that its subject is important without being able to prove notability. Nyttend (talk) 20:29, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

In this case, what it was (seemingly a major effort by the USA's largest religious group) makes it important. Please remember that you're free to add a PROD or take the article to AFD. Nyttend (talk) 22:05, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Cuza edit warring

It may be obnoxious POV pushing, but it's not vandalism. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 22:33, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

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Translation request of interview of Yuji Horii

I've tried asking around several people to no avail so far. I found you from the list of Japanese-English translators.

If/when possible, could you translateInterview by Japan's Media Arts Festival. Unfortunatly, their English page does not contain a translation. :( This appears to be one of the better resources out their too.

I got the jist of the first 2 sections being background info on Horii, but the kanji is beyond me for most of that article. I'd like to use this to improve his article, and bring Dragon Warrior and Dragon Quest to FA level. If it's too much for to translate the whole article, concentrate on the stuff about Dragon Quest. Thanks.∞陣内Jinnai 19:22, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

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Masonic Lodges of North Carolina

Take a look at the above list article and its talk page. Several issues... WP:NOTDIRECTORY comes immediately to mind. Also, there is no indication that these lodges are notable as a group (a few may be notable individually). What do you think... nominate for deletion? Blueboar (talk) 23:57, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

MSJapan, the fact I don't personally check every source I've cited on Wikipedia every day to make sure they have not gone dead does NOT indicate that my work is unsourced OR. Do you think I just sat down and arbitrarily made that list up out of thin air? Of course you don't. That site has recently undergone a large redesign and I will need to reach-out to the site administrator when I see him later this week to find the new location of that particular pdf. Eric Cable  |  Talk  21:13, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Both of You (MSJapan and Blueboar), in the future if you're going to discuss nominating for deletion something that I have obviously put a huge amount of effort into I would appreicate it if you would at least do me the courtesy of posting a note my talk page. Thanks. Eric Cable  |  Talk  21:13, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Masonic Bodies

Your edits preserve copy that is irrelevant and poorly worded. The whole article is confused and garbled. The first sentence alone "The fraternity of Freemasonry, also known as "Free and Accepted Masons," is organized by private groups of members variously known in English as lodges, chapters, councils, commanderies, consistories, etc., which can be collectively referred to as Masonic bodies." Logically creates the idea that some Freemasons meet in lodges, some in chapters, some in councils, and some in commanderies, etc. But these named entities are not equivalnet. It is not the case that some Master Masons meet in a lodge while other Master Masons meet in a consistory. This kind of confusion is continued throughout the article.

I corrected those problems. I did get rid of references to subjects that had nothing to do with the subject of the article. The account of the origin of the Royal Arch degree is completely out of place here. That has the most marginal connection to what "Masonic Bodies" are. Then the paragraph launches into a *subjective* apology for why the master mason degree is really the highest, even though it's degree number 3 and there are systems that go to 92. You may think there's an explanation for this, but the article is garbage. And certainly a discussion of the relative merits of degrees has nothing to do with what a Masonic appendant body is.

But I'm not going to fight you on this. You can keep things vague, confused, a morass of ideas that are inexplicable. I don't care if the article is crap. I also know that you're already planning to have me blocked and run to an admin.

But I win. You have an article that is awful. It's gibberish. And I can have the satisfaction of knowing that lunk-headed Freemasons have crappy wikipedia pages because they play wikipedia power games rather than write well. And I have other things to do. So, keep it awful. Keep fighting for the most garbled and ridiculous masonic articles in wikipedia. Have fun. 129.133.127.112 (talk) 05:51, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

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"First of all, you didn't correct grammar; you totally reorganized the article," Exactly. (I never claimed to have only corrected grammar.) The old article intro is vaguely about the nature of degrees in Freemasonry. That's not what the article is supposed to be about. The article claims to describe what Masonic bodies are. That's a different subject. The intro is it stands is not about masonic bodies, it's a badly written description of degrees.

"swapped Scottish and York Rite placement," So what?

"and added editorial comment about "the fiction of separation in the Scottish Rite", which has nothing to do with what the bodies are about." Is the Scottish Rite a part of Freemasonry? Yes. Is there a commonly accepted fiction that it is an seperate organization? Yes. Is that a fiction? Yes. Again we're up against your limitations with the English language, where you take the use of the word fiction as some sort of veiled threat.

REGARDLESS, why did you violate wikipedia policy and revert edit instead of making corrections? Why are you above wikipedia policy? Why are you allowed an overbearing hand? Shouldn't I report you for being a hostile wikipedia editor?

"Now, if that's not the "Masonic politics" you accuse other of engaging in, I don't know what is." You don't know what is. I don't give a shit about the York Rite or the Scottish Rite. Are you so pathetic that you think that's what this is about?

"This is not a question of gibberish, it's a question of you writing unencyclopedic, unsourced material that is of your own opinion for some sort of self-aggrandizement on your part," I have no interest in the topic. I couldn't care about the relative claims of this body or that. (You're a paranoid freak about this, aren't you?) You know, if you're a member of any of these entities, then you should be *disqualified* from writing about them.

"and getting mad when your point of view isn't lauded as the most brilliant thing on the planet." I need no praise from you; I would be ashamed.

"Lastly, don't insult people because of the anonymity of the Internet; it's unbecoming and insults the academic credibility of the entire university from which you are logging in." I knew that you would be too petty to not check the ISP. Pisses you off, doesn't it? If I was from Omaha, you'd feel free to condescend.

"For that reason alone, it is perhaps best that you have decided to depart of your own accord." Just don't fool yourself into thinking that you know what you're doing. You hide behind your university by putting it on your user page. That's pathetic. Apparently you can't stand on the strength of your own ideas. Of course, that's why you have to hide behind the name and reputation of other people.

And your article is still crap. It's not on the subject, it is vague, confusing. **And it is still gibberish.** Have a lovely day. 129.133.127.112 (talk) 06:44, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

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Then discuss what it is you wish to change on the talk page before you do it. MSJapan (talk) 21:33, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

I do not write by your permission.129.133.127.112 (talk) 23:11, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Need a hand?

Regarding this thread and the work it'll take, is there anything I can help with? Sock hunting gets me high. Basalisk ^{inspect damage}⁄_berate 02:43, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Cool. Let me know when you need some help. Basalisk ^{inspect damage}⁄_berate 02:50, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Template:North American Indigenous visual artists

Not sure whether you noticed this, and it's not an argument against deletion, but were you aware that the creator of that template is a Community Fellow of the Wikimedia Foundation, and served as Wikipedian-in-Residence at the Archives of American Art and the Smithsonian Archives? Yworo (talk) 20:09, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

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It was late and I wanted to go to bed. :-p :- ) DCS 18:02, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

you may be interested in this

User:Blueboar/drafts - Masonic buildings by use

Just a start on the list... but it goes to something we have talked about. Blueboar (talk) 21:55, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Collaboration has begun at...

User talk:Nolelover#Per your comment on the Wide left AfD.... ;) Nolelover ^{Talk·Contribs} 20:59, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

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I am one of those annoying...

..people who dont really know what I am doing here... I am a PM from Australia and just created this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Melbournemason/sandbox with the view of putting it on wikipedia... I can write other such articles... but thought I would make a start with the building I was initiated in...

I was tempted to post a request for help/review in the Freemasonry talk page, but it seems that is not the go.. . but thought I would give you a shot.. I have no idea why the contents box is at the top.. annoying.. but I have been working on learning a bit but cant work that element of the page out.

Can you help me ? Where should I go for help or should I just send it live once finished ? Melbournemason (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 07:10, 19 March 2012 (UTC).

Thanks for your response (and well done on all your work here)

Warm Regards

Melbournemason (talk) 00:24, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

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Divers

Acknowledged. I didn't notice it was quoted. My bad.
kcylsnavS{^screech_harrass} 21:51, 30 March 2012 (UTC)