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USRD WikiProject Newsletter, Spring 2012

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DYK for 2007 Monte Carlo Rally

Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 16:03, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Infobox rally

I saw your comments at User talk:Plastikspork and added {{convert}} to the template, so it now automatically converts the km values to miles and shows both. we can add support for specifying distances in miles as well (as an optional alternative), but unless we need it, we probably should just stick with km. 198.102.153.2 (talk) 23:34, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! I'd completely forgotten about that. Matthewedwards :  Chat  01:59, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Episode list and all that....

Hey Matthew. I think it's becoming increasingly obvious that our position is getting nowhere quickly. I have no idea what caused Barsoomian to get so "WTF-y". The thing that amazes me is that there's still no rationale for not meeting MOS. From anyone. Other than "MOS only applies to prose" which is blatantly incorrect. I think I'll have to keep my oppose at the FLC and just move on to other, less lame things! All the best to you, hope you're well. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:18, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Hey yourself! Yup everything's good here, thanks. Still not editing as much as I'd like, but I've got a new baby that takes up my time and keeps me entertained! I don't get why no one from WP:TV has even bothered to shop up, it's rather frustrating, especially since they're usually more vocal, helpful and cared more about the project. I've just left a more pressing message at the Project, so hopefully someone will show. Hope all is well with you too, Matthewedwards :  Chat  16:57, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

New baby, well heck, congratulations, that's great news. Am alright myself, slight RL issues but hey, who doesn't have those? Sadly, the TV project seems to be vacant of interested people. But as with many things, our "technical" requirements are probably too challenging for the average editor to get their head around, so the default is "I like it that way so I don't see why it should change". The transclusion issue is really interesting, I hadn't thought about it too hard before, but the more I think of it, the more I think, why should we have so much duplicated information in Wikipedia that we actually need to transclude data like this? But hey, I'm just a rebel without a cause, other than hoping for the best for our readers. Anyway, let's see how it pans out, but I can guarantee, the bold issue will already have sealed our place at WP:LAME...! The Rambling Man (talk) 17:03, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Well, we still seem to have User:Barsoomian refusing to answer direct questions. The absolute best thingy ever was when I went to the Barsoom page and found that the Title column of the table wasn't in bold! Joy. Perhaps Barsoomian will "fix" that in due course, but who knows. Anyway, we're onto the MOS discussion now, so (as you noted) we're onto our third or fourth forum. Interesting, and useful that User:Masem noted that episodes are delineated by a coloured, thicker line in the table. Also notable that Barsoomian has directly ignored that comment. Is it possible we could create WP:LAMEsquared by now?!! Best to you. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:02, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

WPF1 Newsletter (April)

The WikiProject Formula One Newsletter Year V · Issue 4 · April 2, 2012 – May 7, 2012 Previous month's issue
New users New members – Dontforgetthisone (talk · contribs) (April 8) Danesman (talk · contribs) (April 15) New recipients – New editors – WikiProject news Check out Apterygial's My Insane Idea userproject, which aims to improve the 2008 Formula One season article and that season's Grands Prix to Featured Topic status. Newsletter news	Article developments Formula One articles by quality and importance Quality Importance Top High Mid Low NA Total FA 3 3 7 13 FL 1 2 1 4 A 2 2 GA 3 6 10 6 25 B 18 27 39 48 132 C 6 35 44 94 179 Start 16 101 183 675 975 Stub 18 130 1,524 1,672 List 3 8 18 4 33 Category 387 387 Disambig 8 8 Portal 35 35 Project 67 67 Redirect 13 13 Template 162 162 NA 35 35 Assessed 50 200 434 2,351 708 3,743 Total 50 200 434 2,351 708 3,743 See also: Wikipedia:WikiProject Formula One/Article alerts Featured List Candidates - List of Formula One polesitters Deletions – 2014 Formula One season
Editors' Comment Users are always welcome to help us with this newsletter. If you are interested, please leave a message on an existing editor's talkpage or sign up on the "Contributors" list of the central newsletter page, and we will tell you everything you need to know and answer your questions. Current contributors – Midgrid (talk · contribs) Cs-wolves (talk · contribs) Chubbennaitor (talk · contribs) How to help WPF1 – Expand the articles in Category:Formula One stubs. Read the project to-do list and help to complete the tasks: Article requests: Alf Francis ([1]), Daniele Coronna, Hans Fouche, Chris Radage, Steve Tarrant, Intertechnique, Elf Masters Copyedit: Bahrain Grand Prix, History of Formula One, Monaco Grand Prix, 2006 San Marino Grand Prix, Rob White (Formula One), Rob Smedley Expand: F1-X Dubai, Honda RA271, Paddy Lowe, Red Bull RB3, Spyker F1, Toyota TF107, BMW Sauber F1.07, Mario Theissen, Franz Tost, Chinese Grand Prix, Colin Kolles, Concorde Agreement, Formula One Constructors Association, McLaren MP4/1, Ove Andersson, Bob Bell, Korean International Circuit, Grand Prix Drivers' Association, Spyker F8-VII, Arai (company), Shoei, Schuberth Helme GmbH, Bell Racing Company, Jim Bamber, Nazir Hoosein, Formula One video games, Make Cars Green, Jonathan Legard, Michael Turner (illustrator) more Update: History of Formula One, 2011 Brazilian Grand Prix, Robert Doornbos, Formula One regulations, 2024 Formula One season, Scuderia Toro Rosso, Super Aguri F1, Divina Galica, Grand Prix World Championship Images needed: Max Mosley, Sakon Yamamoto, Jordan Grand Prix circa 1992-1997, Paddy Lowe, 2008 Turkish Grand Prix more For more work, see this generated list or the Auxiliary list
Images Below is the F1 Picture of the month (found here). The picture has to be one uploaded in the last month and only from the current season. It is exclusive to the Newsletter. REMEMBER, YOU CAN VOTE. Paul di Resta matched his career best finish of sixth place, at the Bahrain Grand Prix. New images 2012
Article of the month – 2012 Bahrain Grand Prix The 2012 Bahrain Grand Prix (formally known as the 2012 Formula 1 Gulf Air Bahrain Grand Prix) was a Formula One motor race held on 22 April 2012 at the Bahrain International Circuit in Sakhir, Bahrain. It was the first time Formula One returned to Bahrain after the 2011 race was cancelled due to ongoing anti-government protests. The race, the eighth running of the Bahrain Grand Prix, was contested over 57 laps and was the fourth round of the 2012 Formula One season. Sebastian Vettel started the race from pole position, leading into the first corner and for the majority of the race en route to victory. He was not without pressure though, as the Lotus of Kimi Räikkönen climbed the field, having started in eleventh place, and challenged for the lead before finishing second. Räikkönen's team-mate Romain Grosjean took the first podium finish of his career by finishing third, after having a strong start and quickly moving into second place by overtaking Lewis Hamilton and Mark Webber. Räikkönen passed Grosjean for second place roughly half-way through the race, being on a better tyre strategy. Hamilton started on the front row, but pitstop errors and degrading tyres left him eighth; his McLaren teammate, Jenson Button, retired with two laps remaining. As a consequence of the race, Sebastian Vettel took the lead in the Drivers' Championship from Lewis Hamilton. He became the fourth driver to top the standings from four races, and also the fourth race winner. Hamilton remained second, four points behind Vettel, whilst Webber jumped in front of Button to move into third with his fourth consecutive fourth place. Webber was just one point behind Hamilton, and Button was only five points behind him; Nico Rosberg was fifth. The Constructors' Championship was now lead by Red Bull, who also took the lead from McLaren (who were now nine points behind them). Lotus F1 moved up from sixth to third in the standings after their first podium. Ferrari fell to fourth whilst Mercedes remained fifth. The race's opponents described the decision to hold the race despite ongoing protests and violence as one of the most controversial Grands Prix in the sport's sixty-year history. (More...)
Drivers' Championship Position Driver Team Points 1st Sebastian Vettel Red Bull 53 2nd Lewis Hamilton McLaren 49 3rd Mark Webber Red Bull 48 4th Jenson Button McLaren 43 5th Fernando Alonso Ferrari 43 6th Nico Rosberg Mercedes 35 7th Kimi Räikkönen Lotus 34 8th Romain Grosjean Lotus 23 9th Sergio Pérez Sauber 22 10th Paul di Resta Force India 15 11th Bruno Senna Williams 14 12th Kamui Kobayashi Sauber 9 13th Jean-Éric Vergne Toro Rosso 4 14th Pastor Maldonado Williams 4 15th Daniel Ricciardo Toro Rosso 2 16th Nico Hülkenberg Force India 2 17th Felipe Massa Ferrari 2 18th Michael Schumacher Mercedes 2 19th Timo Glock Marussia 0 20th Charles Pic Marussia 0 21st Vitaly Petrov Caterham 0 22nd Heikki Kovalainen Caterham 0 23rd Pedro de la Rosa HRT 0 24th Narain Karthikeyan HRT 0 Constructors' Championship Position Constructor Entered Chassis Points 1st Red Bull Racing RB8 101 2nd Vodafone McLaren Mercedes MP4-27 92 3rd Lotus F1 Team E20 57 4th Scuderia Ferrari F2012 45 5th Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team F1 W03 37 6th Sauber F1 Team C31 31 7th Williams F1 Team FW34 18 8th Sahara Force India F1 Team VJM05 17 9th Scuderia Toro Rosso STR7 6 10th Marussia F1 Team MR01 0 11th Caterham F1 Team CT01 0 12th HRT F1 Team F112 0 See 2012 Formula One season for more information
Chinese Grand Prix Driver Constructor Race Time 1st Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1:36:26.929 2nd Jenson Button McLaren + 20.626 3rd Lewis Hamilton McLaren + 26.012 4th Mark Webber Red Bull + 27.924 5th Sebastian Vettel Red Bull + 30.483 6th Romain Grosjean Lotus + 31.491 7th Bruno Senna Williams + 34.597 8th Pastor Maldonado Williams + 35.643 9th Fernando Alonso Ferrari + 37.256 10th Kamui Kobayashi Sauber + 38.720 Fastest Lap: Kamui Kobayashi 1:39.960, on lap 40 Chinese Grid Line up Driver Constructor Time Row one Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1:35.121 Michael Schumacher Mercedes 1:35.691 Row two Kamui Kobayashi Sauber 1:35.784 Kimi Räikkönen Lotus 1:35.898 Row three Jenson Button McLaren 1:36.191 Mark Webber Red Bull 1:36.290 Row four Lewis Hamilton McLaren 1:35.626* Sergio Pérez Sauber 1:36.524 Row five Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1:36.622 Romain Grosjean Lotus No time† * Hamilton was given a five-place grid penalty for a gearbox change prior to the weekend. Hamilton set for China grid penalty † Grosjean failed to record a lap time during Q3. Friday Practice 1 – Hamilton tops damp session in Shanghai Friday Practice 2 – Schumacher pips Hamilton to set the pace Saturday Practice – Hamilton heads McLaren one-two Qualifying – Rampaging Rosberg takes maiden F1 pole Race – Rosberg an F1 winner after Shanghai thriller
Bahrain Grand Prix Driver Constructor Race Time 1st Sebastian Vettel Red Bull 1:35:10.990 2nd Kimi Räikkönen Lotus + 3.333 3rd Romain Grosjean Lotus + 10.194 4th Mark Webber Red Bull + 38.788 5th Nico Rosberg Mercedes + 55.460 6th Paul di Resta Force India + 57.543 7th Fernando Alonso Ferrari + 57.803 8th Lewis Hamilton McLaren + 58.984 9th Felipe Massa Ferrari + 1:04.999 10th Michael Schumacher Mercedes + 1:11.490 Fastest Lap: Sebastian Vettel 1:36.379, on lap 41 Bahrain Grid Line up Driver Constructor Time Row one Sebastian Vettel Red Bull 1:32.422 Lewis Hamilton McLaren 1:32.520 Row two Mark Webber Red Bull 1:32.637 Jenson Button McLaren 1:32.711 Row three Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1:32.821 Daniel Ricciardo Toro Rosso 1:32.912 Row four Romain Grosjean Lotus 1:33.008 Sergio Pérez Sauber 1:33.394 Row five Fernando Alonso Ferrari No time* Paul di Resta Force India No time† * Alonso did not complete a flying lap during Q3. † di Resta failed to record a lap time during Q3. Friday Practice 1 – Hamilton leads Vettel in Bahrain Friday Practice 2 – Rosberg still flying for Mercedes Saturday Practice – Red Bull close in on Rosberg Qualifying – Resurgent Vettel takes Sakhir pole Race – Vettel holds off Raikkonen for Sakhir win

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Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 23:12, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

World War II battle

Hello,

I have drafted an article about a minor battle of WWII. My intent is that the article will be accessed from a link in an article that covers a major battle of which the minor battle was a precursor. When I submit my article for publication, is there some way to communicate my intent? Or would publication reviewers assume this is a stand-alone article?

Many thanks July5ly (talk) 01:29, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Hello. Without knowing the details of either battle, or WWII in general, it's hard for me to say. Usually you would just place links to the new article in existing articles. You're better asking at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history, though. They'd probably be able to help you better than I. Matthewedwards (talk · contribs) 15:43, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

MediaWiki talk:Common.css

Would you mind taking a look at this? We're trying to implement HTML 5 compliant row scopes in road junction lists, but are having problems doing so because of the site CSS. --Rschen7754 19:34, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Japenese Episode List

Why did you change the format? The new "color order" is making my head spin, just by trying to read the English titles. Since this is an English Wikipedia, aren't we supposed to emphasize English titles, instead of Japenese ones? And if the Eng. titles aren't bold anymore, why are the Japenese titles still bold? This is seriously confusing me. 72.197.249.141 (talk) 23:33, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Episode	Family	Location	Original airdate	Production Code
1	"The Powers Family"	Santa Clarita, California	December 3, 2003 (2003-12-03)	101
2	"The Woslum Family"	Palmdale, California	February 15, 2004 (2004-02-15)	102
3	"The Cox Family"	Simi Valley, California	February 22, 2004 (2004-02-22)	103
4	"The Mendoza Family"	Van Nuys, California	March 7, 2004 (2004-03-07)	104
5	"The McCrory Family"	Costa Mesa, California	March 21, 2004 (2004-03-21)	105
6	"The Harris Family"	Watts, California	March 28, 2004 (2004-03-28)	106
7	"The Zitek Family"	Ventura, California	April 11, 2004 (2004-04-11)	107
8	"The Hardin Family"	Phelan, California	April 18, 2004 (2004-04-18)	108
9	"The Tugwell Family"	Long Beach, California	May 2, 2004 (2004-05-02)	109
11	"The Walswick Family"	Yorba Linda, California	May 9, 2004 (2004-05-09)	110
12	"The Powell Family"	Arleta, California	May 16, 2004 (2004-05-16)	111
13	"The Cadigan-Scott Family"	Livermore, California	May 23, 2004 (2004-05-23)	112
14	"The Imbriani Family"	San Bernardino, California	August 18, 2004 (2004-08-18)	113

as you can see ever second linehas a different colour but because of the unusual airing and episode being aired ina weird order once oyu get to episode 9 it goes to epsiode 11 so uses the same coloud for odd since there is no even the show hack jsut makes the odd and even colours the same--Andrewcrawford (talk - contrib) 20:20, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Yeah there another its time team it much worse, the misisng epsiode 10 is acutally a special and is label as such but is labael epiode 10 as well because it follow air date order, time team is a lot worse because it airs specials which shoudl really be a serperate article but the show acutally coutns the epsiode numebrs including the specials so gives the ebra effect, i prefer not to have the show hack i prefer it worked via sublist which i hope you can get fixed for the future :) not sure the zebrea effect might fail it for a flc but personal i would because it isnt appealing, ive no problem on you revert and changing them all to sublist since your aware of the problem and are looking to fix it :)--Andrewcrawford (talk - contrib) 20:36, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Template:Episode list/Degrassi

Hello. I am aware of the discussions at Template talk:Episode list#Bolding of episode titles, and that Template:Episode list/Degrassi is against MOS. I was planning on making the changes between the seasons, when I had time, as well as a couple of other changes (zebra stripping, and shortsummary #if statement). However, the folks at Template talk:Episode list did not see the need to fix an error in the reference appearance order, that I brought up in February 2011. Because I believe that all information for unreleased episodes should be referenced, I implemented my proposed changes to Template:Episode list/Degrassi. Thus this fork is not the same template as the main stream one, and I believe that it should remain until this issue is resolved. You are of course invited to the revived discussion. 117Avenue (talk) 03:45, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Sorry! I didn't realise you'd made other refinements to it. I thought the sub-template was superfluous because I originally had it created when the Writers and Directors fields were added to the main template so that it changed the order of director and writer columns around (on TV writers are always credited before the director). When I wrote the articles I didn't bother putting writers or directors in the tables because I didn't have all the DVDs to get all their names. It's still something on my "To do" list, I just never get around to it. Because no other series does it that way I didn't see a point in forcing the issue any more, and today I went and switched all the show specific sublists for the generic sublists.

I agree that references should be in numerical order, but it should be applied across the board rather than to one show's lists. I've left a note to that effect on the template talk page. It's not a big issue so hopefully it can be implemented quickly. Matthewedwards (talk · contribs) 04:09, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Time team episdodes

Hiya, I forgot when i meantioned time team that originally i designed the hack to remove the zebra effect but that isnt it main need any more, as more and more seasons have aired since main articles ie seaosn articles have coordinates on it, but when it trancludes it then causes the list to break due to overload or something cause the coord template is causing to much to trasnclude it all so i had to remove that coloum in translcusion im not sure it will be possible to make a fix for that into the main epsiode list template, might be best to fix the hack to standards--Andrewcrawford (talk - contrib) 08:15, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

It's to do with template limits and the number of transclusions with {{episode list}} for 200 episodes and another 100 or so coordinate transclusions. Oh well. Mobile Matthewedwards (talk) 16:10, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

I know its on wikimedia to fix list until it fix that page would be broke from transclusion, illl look at the main template and try fix the hack to conform to standards--Andrewcrawford (talk - contrib) 19:20, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Monarch of the Glen episodes

Hi Matthew, just thought you should know that a few of the AWB edits have caused some formatting issues. The worst one I've found so far is this one. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:42, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

ive just took a look at this, weirdly its creating a exta coloum with no extra parameters defined, but when i change episode number to title it removes the extra coloum goign to try something elseAndrewcrawford (talk - contrib) 12:29, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Adding |Title= fixes it but i cant work out why it producing a extra colulm extra parameterAndrewcrawford (talk - contrib) 12:34, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

I guess the title parameter is still required. I thought it wasn't any more. I removed the tiles because "Episode 1" is superfluous to the episode number when there is no actual episode title. The titles just need adding in again.

Let me know if there's any other pages you come across that ended up funky. Matthewedwards (talk · contribs) 16:40, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

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Friends episodes

The content report at dispute resolution noticeboard is closed by Steven Zhang as this (amended):

Closing this one as resolved, per the comments. If this issue flares up again, I'd suggest mediation, solely as it's a location where a very long thread or slow progress isn't a major issue.

The mess is over, and... well, the "List of Friends episode" needs another peer review if something like this happens again. --George Ho (talk) 10:57, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Plainrow Headers?

What are these "Plainrow Headers" you're adding to the list of episode pages? I hope that didn't sound rude, it wasn't meant to. I'm just confused, haha. I don't really see a difference except on pages where the seasons have where every "other" episode has 2 differen grays every other episode (such as The Office, however the "Title" column is all one color and they don't do the alternating grays like the rest of the columns? Is there a point to the Plainrow headers? - Alec (talk) 06:38, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

It's to make the tables conform with WP:ACCESS, specifically WP:DTT. The cells containing the titles are acting as row headers, so that our unsighted users with screenreaders hear the episode title as the first data item when the screenreader reads the row. Plainrowheaders is a formatting command that unbolds the cell and left-aligns it. Without "plainrowheaders" it will be bold type and centered, like a column header. The shading occurs because it is a header. You don't see a difference with shading in tables where there is an episode summary because Template:Episode list is written so that the top row (the row containing the title name, writer and directors' names, airdate, etc is all shaded #F2F2F2. When the table is transcluded to a main list of episodes like List of The Office (U.S. TV series) episodes, the template introduces a stripe effect to make reading across the rows easier. This is where the shading of title cells is more noticable because the odd-numbered lines are not shaded. There is discussion at Template talk:Episode list#way forward and other threads after that about this, and the possibility of making the episode number the row header instead, so that the shading is at the far left side of the table and is not so intrusive. Matthewedwards (talk · contribs) 16:38, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

I see now, thanks for the help. So eventually that will be fixed so alternating colors will be all the way across and the "title" column won't be one color? At first I was confused as to by the episode titles were unbolded but saw the discussion eventually. I don't mind them be unbolded but I thought Wikipedia changed it and not the users. So I was looking all over the Wikipedia homepage for the only the change and did not see it. Regardless, that's probably the only criticism I have is that the alternating colors are interrupted but I'm assuming this will be fixed soon. - Alec (talk) 17:33, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

If episode numbers become the row headers then the zebra striping will begin with the second column. Matthewedwards (talk · contribs) 18:30, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Oh, That still makes it difficult to read, it's better to read the zebra stripes all the way across to keep the episode title with the right line. What's the point of starting it with the second row? Makes no sense. Can't you still not use the plainrowheader but unbold the title? - Alec (talk) 19:28, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

well we're still playing and testing with ideas. But instead of a table looking like this (grey shading emphasised; it's not really this dark):

Ep. #	Ser. #	Title	Director	Writer	Date	Alt Date	Viewers
1	12	"Episode Title 1"	Director's name 1	Writer's name 1	May 21, 2012	June 1, 2012	2.7
2	13	"Episode Title 2"	Director's name 2	Writer's name 2	May 21, 2012	June 1, 2012	3.4
3	14	"Episode Title 3"	Director's name 3	Writer's name 3	May 21, 2012	June 1, 2012	3.1
4	15	"Episode Title 4"	Director's name 4	Writer's name 4	May 21, 2012	June 1, 2012	2.7
5	16	"Episode Title 5"	Director's name 5	Writer's name 5	May 21, 2012	June 1, 2012	2.9

It will look like this, which I think is easier to read and not as odd or jarring:

Ep. #	Ser. #	Title	Director	Writer	Date	Alt Date	Viewers
1	12	"Episode Title 1"	Director's name 1	Writer's name 1	May 21, 2012	June 1, 2012	2.7
2	13	"Episode Title 2"	Director's name 2	Writer's name 2	May 21, 2012	June 1, 2012	3.4
3	14	"Episode Title 3"	Director's name 3	Writer's name 3	May 21, 2012	June 1, 2012	3.1
4	15	"Episode Title 4"	Director's name 4	Writer's name 4	May 21, 2012	June 1, 2012	2.7
5	16	"Episode Title 5"	Director's name 5	Writer's name 5	May 21, 2012	June 1, 2012	2.9

Plainrowheader does unbold the title. Without plainrowheaders specified they'd be in boldface and centered, as well as the quotemarks and any reference tags being boldfaced, anything that's in that cell would be, really. Starting the stripes on the second row means that the first entry in the row is the row header, which makes sense, like this table:

	Sunday	Monday	Tuesday	Wednesday	Thursday	Friday	Saturday
Week 1		1	2	3	4	5	6
Week 2	7	8	9	10	11	12	13
Week 3	14	15	16	17	18	19	20
Week 4	21	22	23	24	25	26	27
Week 5	28	29	30	31

Thanks for the example (look good). I did remove the "plainroheaders" from a test page on my Talk page and the episode title bolded but didn't center. Why is it when you use the "example" table, the episode title does not bold? Also why not do both the episode # and series # with that gray so not only one column is? Can Is ee an example? It looks kind of bad with one episode # column darker than the other. - Alec (talk) 20:27, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

EDIT: Oh, I just realized, you have the columns backwards. I think if the "Series #" is in the first column it'll make more sense, you have it as the second column. - Alec (talk) 20:29, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Well it doesn't matter what I do in the example. Editors are free to use the two "EpisodeNumber=" and "EpisodeNumber2=" fields for either series # or season #. One page might do it one way and it's ok for another to do it the other. We can't do both episode # and series # because you can only have one cell in each row as the header. Matthewedwards (talk · contribs) 22:32, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

I see. If this is causing such a problem, why not just leave the episode titles bolded. It wasn't a problem before (or at least I don't see it as a problem). I get it's against the rules (can't think of the specific ones at the moment) but can't we edit the main "episode title" header instead of adding plain row headers and go to the original html code where it bolds to title to get a hold of the root problem instead of causing more? I don't see why we can't just have a test page to do all these edits to get a final instead of adding the plainrowheaders to caused problems before we finish discussing it? I would've waited to add the plainrowheaders until the discussion was finished and we could get it to work with all pages. - Alec (talk) 23:07, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

It's not "such a problem" because the tables still work, the information is still all present, and screenreaders now read the tables correctly which provides a complete experience for un-sighted readers per WP:ACCESS. Yes, the background shading is broken, but we're fixing that. Boldfaced titles was a problem before per MOS:BOLD and Wikipedia:MOS#Italics. Boldface text shouldn't be used without a reason or for highlighting or emphasis. It was just always overlooked or ignored. We won't be editing the main title header instead of adding plainrowheaders and all that because bold face is not going to get reintroduced to the template as it violates the MOS. The test pages are at, Template:Episode list/sandbox and Template:Episode list/sublist/sandbox, as well as [[Template:Episode list/testcases to view the current template output against the sandbox outputs.

The discussion was over when plainrowheaders was added, and it had to be added before we introduced row scopes because it would have messed up the table formatting even worse (the only issue now is shading on transcluded pages). We did all that after discussing it. In fact, it took me 7 days of editing, by myself, to add plainrowheaders to the 5100 pages that use the template, and the discussion was over at that point. Now that it has been implemented, new discussions have taken place about how to improve further, including this issue with striping and shading in the middle of the tables. Now it's just a matter of fine tuning to get it to a state where everyone (or at least the majority of everyone) is satisfied with the final result. Remember, Wikipedia is an ongoing work in progress and there is no deadline, so if the shading has to be there for a couple days more, it's not a big problem. Matthewedwards (talk · contribs) 23:31, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

I see now. Well you could've asked for help, I would've helped otherwise I had no idea what was going one and why the boldface was taken away (and why someone was adding this plainrowheaders without any discussion even though you linked to that one page). This should be more public. I'm fine with it, the only problem is the transcluded pages where the striping is. How do we fix it... the shading and the striping, what needs to be changed? I want to be able to help. - Alec (talk) 01:55, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Considering that I've never spoken with you before, or even recall crossing paths, I wouldn't have known to ask you for help; however, discussions have taken place at the MOS talk page, the episode list template talk page, two administrators' talk pages, a Featured list candidate page, we begged for people from WikiProject Television and MOS:TV to voice an opinion, too, so it wasn't done in secret or rashly. A request from an uninvolved admin to make the necessary changes to Template:Episode list has been made (I'm too involved so it would be a COI if I did it). Matthewedwards (talk · contribs) 02:09, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Well for future of a big project (as in if we have to make changes again to get the transcluded pages to work so you don't have to spend 7 days doing it all by yourself. I feel something this big of a change should've been on the Wiki homepage or something so all members would've known of the change (I know there are some members who do not like change and did revert the edits you made of the plainrowheaders). Also, what did you mean by "... it would be a COI if I did it." Sorry I'm still now used to Wikipedian Lingo (and I'm 19, haha) what's COI? - Alec (talk) 04:56, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Conflict of interest. It's not appropriate for me to edit a fully protected template when I'm so closely involved in the discussions about it, even though as an admin I'm able to. What pages reverted plainrowheaders? Probably they didn't understand why, and they'll need putting back in. Matthewedwards (talk · contribs) 04:59, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

I see now, I need to catch up on my lingo. You're an admin which is probably how you go to to edit pages protected indefinitely and makes more sense to me as well. It's all good now the pages do have the plainrowheaders since they've been added back. Can I ask (probably a question you've answered numerous times) but you just added the plainrowheaders to the "wikitable" coding at the beginning. If we do have to resort to putting it in only the first column (like the example charts you present above) how is the title column like that now but if you plan on changing it to the first column how does it change. I hope I worded that okay. If not I can try again.

Also thank you for your time in explaining all of this, I've learned a lot about this and glad it's being dealt with. - Alec (talk) 05:44, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

At the start of a wikitable is the line {| class="wikitable". "plainrowheaders" just needs adding to the class, after "wikitable" (because it treats them in the order they're entered). That's all you need to do with the Episode list tables. Everything else is handled by the template. Other tables are different, and you should read WP:DTT and Help:Tables for that. Matthewedwards (talk · contribs) 05:56, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Awesome, thanks for the help. I've learned a lot more about this and hopefully we'll get the fine tuning finished real soon. - Alec (talk) 00:23, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Just wanted to say the transcluded pages look great! Glad you guys got it fixed! I see that you moved it to the first column. You can barely tell it's there. Are we done with the transition then? - Alec (talk) 01:54, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Yup, it looks pretty good, huh? Everything is done for the moment, but I have suggested a new idea, and if you want you can weigh in at Template talk:Episode list/Archive3#Title option. Matthewedwards (talk · contribs) 03:30, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

(TPS) Actually the removal of the TopColor parameter, under WP:DEVIATIONS, is still impending, that discussion has gone idle the past few days. 117Avenue (talk) 05:32, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Yes it does. I really like how it looks now and it was easy to get used too. I'm a happy camper! I did comment on your suggestion. Not sure what 117Avenue is talking about, but of course I did miss a lot of the discussion, haha. - Alec (talk) 18:38, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

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Other English Airdates

Hiya, You will know i propoused adding other parameterfor othe english speaking countries for air dates because i said a lot of thetime people say only american airdates, i now have one of those, Scooby Doo Mystery Incorpated episodes the one user is removing any titles or airdate si put for the uk and posted on my talk page claiming only american airdates should be used since it isa american show can you please comment on this as it is really putting me off doign work if the airdates will be removed if they are not the american airdate which is not the original airdate as original in my mind is first tie aired just like some input from a more experainced user--Andrewcrawford (talk - contrib) 17:06, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Why don't you just wait until it airs, in whichever country, before adding a date? There's no need to add a date before it airs. We're not a TV guide. You cited "Turner UK" (whatever that is) and Digiguide in your summary for putting an airdate of June 2, but why haven't you included the reference in the article? For future information, you have to reference it, otherwise it will be removed as unreferenced. I've found sources of episodes airing on June 2, but only the Boomerang website indicates it's new. Neither, Digiguide, TVGuide, nor Radio Times agree.

I recommend you disengage from any further edits to the article for the rest of the day or you may find yourself being blocked for violating WP:3RR. Matthewedwards (talk · contribs) 21:09, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Ive no intentions of violating 3RR just not happy a user says that only american airdates matter, turner uk is the broadcaster :)--Andrewcrawford (talk - contrib) 21:57, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Dexter and Stargate episodes

Hi Matthew. I noticed you'd said you be able to help those lists out a few days back. Is it still your intention to fix them up or should I just add them to WP:FLRC for wider input? Hope you're well, all the best, The Rambling Man (talk) 15:20, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

I was actually planning on doing what I can with them today. It's Memorial Day, so a slow and unexciting day in RL! Matthewedwards (talk · contribs) 15:26, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Okay, good news. I'll hold off on listing them then. Cheers! The Rambling Man (talk) 15:27, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of municipalities in Rio Grande do Norte/archive1

Hi Matthewedwards, if you could look at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of municipalities in Rio Grande do Norte/archive1 that would be appreciated. Thanks, Albacore (talk) 20:34, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Million Dollar Homepage

Hi Matthewedwards,
First of all, thanks for all your hard work on The Million Dollar Homepage. I'm working on the Persian version of The Million Dollar Homepage and I need a little help to convince the Persian Wikipedia community to promote it to GA. There is a sentence that I couldn't find it in the references: "After two weeks, Tew's friends and family members had purchased a total of 4,700 pixels." I read both BBC article and The Times article but there is no mention to 4,700 pixels. Another problem I have is how to check video references such as 32, 33, 40-43. Can you come up with an idea? Thanks a lot. 4nn1l2 (talk) 13:45, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

You're right, the references have no mention to 4700 pixels. I looked at the version from when it was made a Good Article and the sentence is cited by a different reference, however, I still can't find any mention of of 4700 pixels. I'm just going to remove it from the article. It's one sentence, and it won't break the article if it goes. As for checking video references, what exactly is the problem? Matthewedwards (talk · contribs) 15:13, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

There is no problem with the video references. The reviewer asked me to check the videos personally and make sure that Alex Tew really appeared on BBC Breakfast, Sky News Sunrise, ABC News Radio, Fox News Channel, Attack of the Show! and Richard & Judy. If I cannot check those videos personally, I should use the English Wikipedia as a source (something like this) and as you know, English Wikipedia is not a reliable source (disclaimer). I would really appreciate it if could you help me to check those videos and make sure that Alex Tew really appeared in those television programs. Thanks again. 4nn1l2 (talk) 16:28, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

The refs aren't videos, they use {{cite episode}} to cite the episodes of the shows he was on. It's been a while now, but if I remember correctly I got the dates and episodes from comments and interviews he had done before. Some of the videos and audios were online at one time but now they're not. The broadcasters probably keep an archive of their shows and interviews but I don't know how we would gain access to them. Sorry, I don't really know how to help with this. :( Matthewedwards (talk · contribs) 18:15, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

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