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Hello Meno25/Archive 1, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

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Downloadable wiki

For sure that's a great idea. (It's only 3.7 GB??)

The German wiki already put together a CD, I believe, and the English wiki has been trying to whip something up for a while now. (See Wikipedia:Version 0.5 and Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team.) I don't know a whole lot about the project, but I believe they don't want to make the entire wiki available for download because then people would get stuff like "Johnny is the greatest master of the universe evar!1!!1", etc. ;) Though I personally would put up with that. I bet there is conversation about this somewhere if you search around a bit. --Fang Aili ^talk 13:38, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi Fang Aili, I would like to thank you for your kind response for my suggestion.I knew that the database is 3.7 GB from here --Meno25 15:37, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

I would guess that another reason against making the whole thing downloadable would be the drain on the servers. (Though I'm no internet expert.. I could be completely wrong.) --Fang Aili ^talk 17:07, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Egyptian actors

I see you're creating a bunch of actor articles. You should put their claim of notability in there, otherwise they're going to be deleted for lack of context and/or notability. Cheers. --Fang Aili ^talk 17:09, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Sorry for this mistake. I did not know what you wrote. As you know I am a new user of Wikipedia. I hope I will improve in the future. --Meno25 06:55, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Please stop removing Speedy Deletion tags from articles you have created yourself: Boussy

Please stop removing speedy deletion notices from articles as it is considered vandalism. You may place {{hangon}} on the page and make your case on the article's talk page if you oppose an article's speedy deletion. Thanks.

Please can you also provide more detail when creating articles. "A famous egyptian actress" isn't enough to warrent an article. --Casper2k3 17:12, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Sorry for this mistake. I did not know what you wrote. As you know I am a new user of Wikipedia. I started contributing to Wikipedia in April 2006. I hope I will improve in the future. --Meno25 07:27, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Re: A helpful tool

Thanks for the tip about StumbleUpon - I downloaded it and think it's great! --Casper2k3 06:32, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Angham Mohammad Ali Suleiman

If you want to move the article, move it; don't copy and paste it, which ruins edit history. --Nlu (talk) 16:19, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

What do you mean? You didn't explain. I moved all the article without deleting anything. --Meno25 22:52, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Use the "move" button rather than copy and paste the contents of the article. That causes the history of the article not to be carried along. --Nlu (talk) 23:45, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

OK. I moved the article using the move button. Thanks for advice. --Meno25

Contributions

I appreciate your contributions to Arabic artists articles, but I just don't find why would you keep adding spaces to the articles. You have massively deleted the discussion page of Elissa's article. Would you please clarify your actions? thanks. --Omernos 11:49, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

I checked the history of the page and restored the discussion page. The page is now OK. I think that this mistake occurred by accident. Thank you. --Meno25 18:12, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Copt

Hi Meno! I'm going around asking for people's input regarding the content dispute on the article Copt. You can find the discussion at the bottom of the talk page. Thanks. --[zɪʔɾɪdəʰ] · t 22:34, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

I have posted my opinion on the talk page of the article here. I hope I have helped. Thank you for asking for my opinion. --Meno25 02:25, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Unspecified source for Image:حافظ ابراهيم.JPG

Thanks for uploading Image:حافظ ابراهيم.JPG. I notice the file's description page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is unclear. If you have not created this file yourself, then there needs to be a justification explaining why we have the right to use it on Wikipedia (see copyright tagging below). If you did not create the file yourself, then you need to specify where it was found, i.e., in most cases link to the website where it was taken from, and the terms of use for content from that page.

If the file also doesn't have a copyright tag, then one should be added. If you created/took the picture, audio, or video then the {{GFDL-self}} tag can be used to release it under the GFDL. If you believe the media meets the criteria at Wikipedia:Fair use, use a tag such as {{Non-free fair use in|article name}} or one of the other tags listed at Wikipedia:Image copyright tags#Fair_use. See Wikipedia:Image copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use.

If you have uploaded other files, consider checking that you have specified their source and tagged them, too. You can find a list of files you have uploaded by following this link. Unsourced and untagged images may be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. --Nv8200p talk 14:28, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

I uploaded this photo from the Arabic Wikipedia. Its license in the English Wikipedia is the same as that in the Arabic Wikipedia. --Meno25 20:53, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Other language Wikipedias are not valid sources . You need to provide the original source that the Arabic Wikipedia cites. It must be verifiable that this source releases the image under GFDL. The permission to release under GFDL must be translated to English if it is not in English already. --Nv8200p talk 14:36, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

The Arabic Wikipedia does not provide a source for this image, so I guess the image has to be deleted. --Meno25 15:50, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Spoken Wikipedia

I'm afraid I don't know much about Spoken Wikipedia or ogg, but I'd bet the folks at Wikipedia:WikiProject Spoken Wikipedia would be full of helpfulness. Cheers. :) --Fang Aili ^talk 13:57, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Alexandria malls

Stop one moment. Wikipedia has 1,469 articles. Imagine how many stubs!!! Please be more specific!! and catergorize e.g Category:Shopping malls in Egypt and Egypt-stub I have done Zahran Mall for you. Also please try to add a little more info e.g date the mall was built what stores it has etc. Also please don't isolate these articles. If it is alexandria then you need to visit the alexandria page and start a new section Shopping in Alexandria and list these malls. --Ernst Stavro Blofeld 12:26, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

I appreciate your eforts but I have just spent at least ten minutes sorting out your work!! I have categorized those malls for you and added a section on the Alexandria page and on the Alexandria Tram I have added the link from the main page and added a photograph and a map and categorized it for you. PLEASE LEARN how to do all of this. I is not difficult. Good luck editing --Ernst Stavro Blofeld 12:44, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your help on the article Alexandria Tram. --Meno25 12:46, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Not a problem mate. Just remember to categorize fully in the future. Nice to meet someone from Egypt. I too am very interested in Egyptology it was me who added the pictures of Tut and set up many of the categories of Pharoahs of the dynasties of Egypt. --Ernst Stavro Blofeld 12:49, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

You reckon wikipedia is the best site on the Internet. Your probably right but wikipedia is only just starting. In ten years time it will begin to achieve its potential. If you think about everything that exists or has existed the sum of all human knowledge we should really have 1,469,000,000 full detailed articles rather than 1,469,000.

I believe that wikipedia has the potential to be the greatest work of all time that can be used as a main global source in the future --Ernst Stavro Blofeld 13:08, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

You are absolutely right. Wikipedia is now the fifteenth most visited website on the internet. I don't know why it is not the first instead of Yahoo. Just imagine all the human knowledge becomes free:millions of articles about every film and town and scientific theory. I found information on Wikipedia that I didn't find on any other website. I can't wait until the database is available for download.

By the way, if you wanted to know anything about Egypt, ask me. --Meno25 13:20, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

I have just returned and seen you started Egyotian literature great. I have categroized it for you as Category:Egyptian novels. If someone is browsing Egypt nad wants to know about its literature then your article will be there. I beleive there were 154? books to the collection. If these are expanded later, the author may even need a category of its own. But any book published by an Egyptian author or poet must be categroized in this way . --Ernst Stavro Blofeld 16:05, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Please see Ragol Al Mostaheel now. Is this picture correct --Ernst Stavro Blofeld 16:16, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

San Stefano Grand Plaza

Anytime boss ;) you just write and I'll back you up with the images :) Nice to see Alexandrian fellows here. --TheEgyptian 22:40, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Relativity

Well, I'm not going to go into the details (because believe me, there are far too many of them) but I'll try and give you an idea of how much is contained in those two equations:

First, the Field Equation, $G_{\alpha \beta }=8\pi T_{\alpha \beta }$. The term on the right, T, is called the "stress energy tensor" (or another related name), and it represents the energies and forces that are exerting a "strain" on spacetime, for example, electric fields. The term on the left, G, is a curvature tensor. Tensors are a mathematical construct with certain properties - notice that each has a subscript $\alpha \beta$. In this case, there are two indices, so the tensor behaves a bit like a matrix. Tensors can have any number of subscripts and superscripts, so they can be quite complicated (although, as it turns out, these ones with two subscripts are complicated enough).

G, being a curvature tensor, contains information about how spacetime "bends". In particular, the shape of spacetime is defined by a metric, which is sort of like a symmetrical matrix that gives a rigid definition of the distance between two "points". G is based on second derivatives of the terms of the metric with respect to the four co-ordinates of spacetime, which means that to recover the metric requires solving a quasilinear second order partial differential equation, not an easy job in any case, but particularly difficult when you realise that the simplest form the field equation can be put into contains something on the order of 30,000 independent terms. So far, only a handful of exact solutions and a few more approximate ones have been found to the field equation.

So, once you've got your metric, you know how spacetime bends, you want to know how that affects objects in it. That's where the geodesic equation comes in. The geodesic equation is a second order non-linear ordinary differential equation of the co-ordinates of an object travelling in a particular metric. In flat spacetime, the geodesic equation reduces to the solution that objects travel in straight lines. In a metric which is quasi-Newtonian, it parallel's Newton's second law of motion (F = ma). In valid relativistic metrics, what solutions are known have given many of the predictions of General Relativity - in particular, the geodesic equation, when solved around a spherically symmetric object (Schwarzschild metric), describes an orbit which is not elliptic, like Newtonian gravitation predicts, but which precesses, an effect observed in the motion of Mercury.

So, that's about as much GR as I can fit in this particular nutshell, if you want to go further you're going to have to start looking at learning some tensor calculus.

Hope that helps. Confusing Manifestation 14:33, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. --Meno25 12:24, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Category:Redirects from alternate names

I notice you recreated this. It was previously deleted in favour of Category:Redirects from alternative names. Is there any reason why I shouldn't redelete it? --Hesperian 12:58, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

I have tagged it for speedy. Meno25, please do not recreate this cat; it was deleted according to process. --Trovatore 17:25, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

I will not recreate it. --Meno25 17:35, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Senseless edits

Hi, Meno25. Now that you've pretty much filled up your edit count boxes, [1] I hope you give it a rest with all the senseless edits like these. [2] [3] [4] --Rfrisbie^talk 03:14, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Seconded. You are clogging up recent changes and user watchlists with pointless edits. --cj | talk 03:27, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

I understand your point of view. I stopped doing them. --Meno25

Request for edit summary

When editing an article on Wikipedia there is a small field labeled "Edit summary" under the main edit-box. It looks like this:

The text written here will appear on the Recent changes page, in the page revision history, on the diff page, and in the watchlists of users who are watching that article. See m:Help:Edit summary for full information on this feature.

Filling in the edit summary field greatly helps your fellow contributors in understanding what you changed, so please always fill in the edit summary field, especially for big edits or when you are making subtle but important changes, like changing dates or numbers. Thank you.

--Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 03:36, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your advice. I started using edit summaries in every edit. --Meno25 05:00, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

useless edits

Please do not make useless edits such as these, as they contribute very little to the wiki. --ST47Talk 20:54, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

I will not do it again. Thank you for your polite language. --Meno25 22:04, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, enjoy! --ST47Talk 22:14, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Talkheader

As Template:Talkheader says, this template should be used only when needed. Therefore, I reverted your addition of the template to Talk:Andrica's conjecture. Cheers. --Jitse Niesen (talk) 23:21, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

I second this. Please only add talkheader to talk pages when it is needed, not when it is an empty page. Also, redirects from talk pages to other talk pages (except for when they are moved) are generally not needed. Happy editing! --Mets501 (talk) 01:21, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your advice. I just thought that adding talk headers to every talk page is the correct thing to do because the talk page of any featured article contains a talk header. I stopped doing this now. Thank you for your precious advice. --Meno25

Last chance

You really can't continue to make useless edits as pointed out above. I appreciate your good intentions but they are actually not helping that project. Thank you! --Mets501 (talk) 01:24, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

• First: About the talk header, when you browse any featured article or good article you will find that most of their talk pages have the talk header and since the featured articles are the model articles that we try to make all Wikipedia articles like them, I concluded that the talk header must be put in every page. Note the talk header in Einstein's page. I then read the template page about the header and knew that it must be put in some pages only so I stopped adding it to talk pages.

• Second: About redirects from talk pages to other talk pages, when you click the move button on any page you will see a small box asking you whether to move the talk page or not. This box is by default checked, so, I concluded that all talk pages of redirect pages should be redirected too. You said: Also, redirects from talk pages to other talk pages (except for when they are moved) are generally not needed. but you didn't give the source of this information, so, I considered it your personal opinion not a policy of Wikipedia.

• Third: About Last chance, you said: You really can't continue to make useless edits as pointed out above. I appreciate your good intentions but they are actually not helping that project. This paragraph is very badly written. You didn't explain what you meant. I didn't understand it except when I was blocked. What do mean by last chance? Last chance of what? I was never blocked before although that I have 2200 edits and another 600 edits (approximately) which I did without signing in because I did them from a public computer. You should have said: What you do violates one of Wikipedia policies and if you don't stop I will block you. In this way I know that there is something wrong.

• Fourth: About Please stop, another example of a paragraph that is badly written. You said: Please stop editing articles just to add spaces between headings and the equals signs, and spaces below the heading. Examples: [5] [6]. Besides the edits themselves being a waste of time, many of us prefer the raw text formatted the other way: equals signs tight around the headings, and no blank line below the heading. What is your source? Is adding spaces considered against one of Wikipedia policies? Who are those many of us? There are 2.7 million users in Wikipedia. What is the percentage of those many of us of the total users of Wikipedia?

However, I will tell you my source. If you navigated to any talk page you will find in the right upper corner a small plus sign in a box which is used to add new comments (I used it to add this section). If you wrote anything in the subject/headline field and then in the main window and you saved the page. After that, you click the edit this page button you will find that there is a space under the title and a space between the title and the plus signs. It is the Wiki software that uses spaces. So,I concluded that all pages should be like this. Are you going to block the Wiki software? Just choose 20 random articles in Wikipedia, you will find that some of them are written like the way you want it and some aren't.

You said: I plan to revert these edits whenever I see them. Well, you will find hundreds of articles this way. I could have reverted them myself but if I did so I will find another administrator blocking me for removing spaces from articles! So, I will leave them like this but I will not of course repeat this in the future. I don't want to be blocked for such an unimportant reason.

• Fifth: I though that users are blocked because of deleting parts of articles or changing the information in them without good sources not for adding space. Do you know that once I found one interwiki link that was not working but I didn't remove it because it was in a language that I don't understandI suggest that you observe my edits in the next days to be sure that I am a good user.

• Sixth: I am a loyal user of Wikipedia. I consider Wikipedia as my son. I could not vandalize it. I am looking for the day that it will reach 30 or 40 million articles. I will say then that I contributed from the beginning. I have accounts in the other Wikimedia projects and also in the Arabic Wikipedia.

• Seventh: If you find articles like this which I created, you will find that I add about very few lines per edit. This isn't because I want to increase my number of edits but because in Egypt where I live, electricity may go out in any moment (which I know is a rare thing in the USA and Europe), so what I wrote will be lost, so I edit by a rate of a few words per time.

• Eighth: Although I could have written this in my talk page during blocking but I prefer to answer the messages of other users in their talk pages not mine, so I waited until the block was over and it took me some time to write this long message.

Note: I might be busy in the next few days, so if you left me a message I may not be able to answer it for a few days. --Meno25 05:30, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Let me address few points you raised on Mets501's talk page:

1. About the {{talkheader}}: it's written on that very page that:

   "This template should be used only when needed. Acculturation can't be forced, and it can be overdone. If the message is on every talk page, its impact will be reduced." (emphasis mine)

2. About redirects from talk pages to other talk pages: Here's one from WP:REDIR:
   1. "When creating new redirects, bear in mind that creating too many redirects can clutter up the search results page, "

   Also, redirects from talk pages don't serve any WP:REDIR#Purposes of a redirect. Talk pages are seldom linked to, and when they did, they're never linked to manually-created redirects (the redirects of moved ones are automatically created so to maintain links that may have come from WP:RM, WP:AfD and like).

3. About spaces around headings: WP:MOSHEAD#Spaces states that Spaces above and below headings are completely optional.

Finally, about the Blocking policy: Certainly you won't find the exact wording covering "a series of futile edits", but Wikipedia:Disruptive_editing#Dealing_with_disruptive_editors, 3rd point states:

• "Rejects community input: resists moderation and/or requests for comment, continuing to edit in pursuit of a certain point despite an opposing consensus from impartial editors and/or administrators."

See also WP:POINT#Gaming the system:

• Gaming the system is the use of Wikipedia rules to thwart Wikipedia policy. In many cases, gaming the system is a form of disruption.

To sum up, while your edits don't qualify as vandalism per se, they're futile, don't serve any useful purpose, and may likely be just a pursuit for m:Editcountitis. Your reply to Mets501 certainly counts as "wikilawyering": you defend yourself that your actions are not explicitly forbidden. While that may be the case indeed, you are expected to stop edits which other editors find disruptive, especially when kindly asked to do so. --Duja► 08:34, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm about to leave for school now, but let me just clear up some things: I did not write I plan to revert these edits whenever I see them., that was someone else. I have no problem either way with spaces or no spaces around the heading, but useless edits such as those waste system resources, clutter up recent changes, and clutter up the watchlist. Also, I have no doubt that you are a great contributer, but you refused to respond to comments left on your talk page many times, and not only that, you continued to make those edits. The correct thing to do would be to reply back "What do you mean?" instead of continuing to do something that was obviously causing problems. The block was not intended as punishment for your actions, but to get you to read your talk page and respond to comments, which is why it was only 1 hour long. I think Duja basically covered everything else in his post above. --Mets501 (talk) 12:07, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Please stop

Please stop editing articles just to add spaces between headings and the equals signs, and spaces below the heading. Examples: [5] [6]. Besides the edits themselves being a waste of time, many of us prefer the raw text formatted the other way: equals signs tight around the headings, and no blank line below the heading. I plan to revert these edits whenever I see them. Didn't you express an interest in being an Administrator a while back? Making large numbers of worthless edits will certainly blow your chances. --Srleffler 01:51, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Concerning the spaces, I stopped adding them. My only purpose was to make the wiki code easier to read. About being an administrator, yes I would like to be an administrator in Wikipedia. I started contributing in Wikipedia on April 14, 2006. I plan to be an administrator by July 2007. That's after 8 months not now. On my first day in Wikipedia, I didn't know even how to make a link. Now, I learned many things, but I don't know still how to expand a template or design a portal. So, I have still some things to learn before being an administrator. I currently have 2200 edits in Wikipedia but the important ones (I mean those of the main name space) are only 880 edits which is very few. However in the coming months, I hope to make really important contributions in Wikipedia that qualifies me to be an administrator. --Meno25 06:01, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Physicist

Good luck! I certainly like what I do, and can heartily recommend physics as a career to anyone so inclined. I do laser research and development for a living.

I removed your birthdate from a recent talk page posting. Birthdates can be used for identity theft, and I thought it safer just to remove that piece of information. I'm sorry if the change is not welcome. --Srleffler 13:10, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

{{!Tlx/pt2}}

Can this weird thing be safely deleted? Just wanting to make sure. --Circeus 22:23, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

I think that this page should have been deleted a long time ago. --Meno25 22:27, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

I keep finding more recently blanked templates by you. Were these a big batch of unused templates or deprecations? If so, I'll delete them as I encounter them, though you might want to batch-nominate them at WP:CFD or even speedy them under CSD G6 (housekeeping). --Circeus 00:48, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

There are six nonsense templates. I noticed that you deleted four of them. The remaining two are: Template:-locution- and Template:/. I am surprised that these templates weren't deleted a long time ago. The six templates are the first six templates in the Special:Unusedtemplates page. Thank you for your help. --Meno25 01:00, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I'm doing categorization work in special:Prefixindex, and usually, material is not deleted unless noticed by an admin or expressly nominated for it. --Circeus 01:03, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

No problem. Deleting these pages is not an urgent task anyway. --Meno25 01:12, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Coptic Christianity

Hi Meno! I didn't really find instances of vandalism in the article but I did some sweeping anyway. Thanks for letting me know. --[zɪʔɾɪdəʰ] · ☥ 01:00, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi, Zerida. These two past revisions: [7] and [8] are what I was referring to. You can notice that the image in the info box was deleted. By the way, I notice that you do a lot of effort concerning Egypt-related articles. Good work. --Meno25 01:10, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Not really vandalism; probably just a reorganization. I did put the image back in the infobox. I do my best with the articles, thanks and same to you. --[zɪʔɾɪdəʰ] · ☥ 01:43, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Your edits!

Hi Meno25. Nice to see a fellow Egyptian. I understand your good intentions in cleaning up articles but you edits are doing more harm than good. They are clogging my watchlist and wasting my and other users' time. Besides, they are not really that important. An extra space in an article isn't really bad for the project but edits that are disruptive for other users are. I see other users have complained as well. Please consider doing something more useful. You can for example expand Egypt-related stubs, find references for the existing ones,...etc. Cheers. --Wedian 19:31, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I understand your point of view. These edits were automatically generated by AutoWikiBrowser. However, your are right about that making an edit only to remove or add empty space is not correct. I only thought that any edit made by AutoWikiBrowser is OK. However, this seems to be incorrect. In the future, I will limit the usage of the WikiBrowser to only correcting spelling mistakes.

I, after reaching this far in Wikipedia (seven months of experience and 3000 edits), intend to focus on quality of my edits. I noticed also that there are about 129,000 unassessed articles on WikiProject Biography as can seen here. I will try to rate some of them. By the way, since you are more experienced than me (Your first edit is on 11 November, 2005.), the Portal:Egypt page needs to be designed. If you can help, please do. --Meno25 00:11, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Ok Meno, when i've have enough time i'll try to recreate the Portal. Egypt-related articles need a lot of work. I've recently seen a considerable number of Egyptian editors so i guess we can find a number of users interested in starting Wikiproject:Egypt. --Wedian 21:44, 21 November 2006 (UTC)