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Players will not actually be released until their contracts end on 30 June 2021

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@DanCherek Noted, thank you Michaeldble (talk) 13:25, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

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What do you prefer to state tiers for honours sections?

Would you prefer?

1)

National League (level 5)

2)

National League (level 5)

3)

National League (L5)

Also, personally, when bigger clubs have won trophies such as the second, third division, fourth division e.g...

Third Division / League One

...I don't see the need to place the tier afterwards, the "Third Division" is pretty self explanatory, think stating tiers is more important for leagues that do not clearly state what level on the pyramid they are/lesser known leagues. Joseph1891 (talk) 11:53, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Probably say may fav is the third option, as it seems the least cluttered, but be good to know your thoughts! Joseph1891 (talk) 12:02, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

I think most pages tend to use: (level 5), so option 1. Most football fans would probably understand L5 but I think we should be as clear as possible personally. As for the final point, I think the Third Division was the fourth tier from 1992 to 2004 so I would still always include them where possible. Michaeldble (talk) 12:40, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Okay, thanks Mich, so do you think option 1 or 2? Joseph1891 (talk) 12:50, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Option 1 personally Michaeldble (talk) 12:57, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

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@Robert McClenon Thank you for all your help! Michaeldble (talk) 10:54, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

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@Robert McClenon Thanks for your feedback on the draft!

Regarding the previous deletion of the History of Hartlepool United F.C. article in 2020, the reasoning was that it was: poorly written, poorly sourced and that it was shorter than the history section (at only 28,000 bytes) on the main article. However, I think the circumstances since this deletion have changed enough to justify the new article.

The reason that I wanted to re-create the article was that I thought Hartlepool United F.C. (especially the history section) had become too detailed and long - potentially causing reader issues. I thought the history section was better to be: WP:SPLITTING because it was over 5,500 words long which seemed excessive for a club article. Most of the info was notable and verifiable so I thought it would be wrong to remove it from Wikipedia entirely. Instead, I wrote a more condensed 1,500 word section intended for the main page as a replacement if this draft passed submission which I think would be preferable.

I did attempt to gain consensus on Talk:Hartlepool United F.C. twice to do this but I received no replies so I wasn't sure on next steps.

Regarding the issue with sources, which ones were not reliable please?

Thanks again Michaeldble (talk) 07:36, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

@Robert McClenon Michaeldble (talk) 13:45, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

User:Michaeldble - I did not have an issue with any particular sources. The mention of sources is canned language, not my words. I want to see rough consensus. I will post an inquiry about what is the proper process for finding rough consensus when a subtopic has been split and merged. Please seek additional discussion on the talk page in the meantime, and I will ask about what process can be used. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:30, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@Robert McClenon I see! Thank you, I wasn't too sure if there was anything I could do for now - I've posted on the talk page but haven't heard anything back yet. I think the WP:SIZESPLIT is around 100kB, so I think this would apply at 130kB. Michaeldble (talk) 16:20, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

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Southend United F.C.

Hi, Michaeldble. Thanks for placing the Recentism template on the Southend article. I was very conscious of the detail that was being added to the article (mainly be me!) but I wanted to wait for the club's sale before consolidating the more salient details. Now that the sale is approaching conclusion, I have started to remove some of the less relevant content from the recent history.

I am not a Southend fan, but I have extensively edited various articles about financially troubled clubs (eg: Bolton, Bury, Macclesfield, Scunthorpe). I think crisis periods should be sufficiently explained so that readers can understand the causes, events and outcomes. Southend's problems are unprecedented in the club's history so the 2020-2023 narrative will naturally be longer and more detailed than other periods. However, I would welcome you running your eye over the (now shorter) article.

(I am conscious that Recentism isn't just about too much recent coverage; it is also about insufficient detail regarding past periods. Unfortunately, I don't have access to extensive reliable sources about the club's earlier history, though I was able to expand the section about the club's foundation and formative years.) Best wishes. Paul W (talk) 09:18, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

@Paul W Hi, hope you're well. Yes, my main concern with the article was that the first 80 years of the club's history had less information than a six year period (2004–2010), the early years definitely need to be extended further. I will have a look for some sources for this period. As you said, the financial issues are a very important part of a club's history so will naturally be more detailed, plus it is still an ongoing issue in this case which makes it difficult to summarise right now. I think the best approach personally for these types of articles is to move all of the financial issues detail onto the relevant 'History of ...' page and provide a more brief summary on the main page. I still think the recent history could maybe do with more of a trim personally, as over half of the 117-year history is covering the last three years. All the best, Michaeldble (talk) 11:07, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, Michaeldble. This morning I have been doing some modest expansion of the earlier years, drawing on material/sources from other Wikipedia articles and also the recently published Shrimpers Trust document about the Ron Martin era. Will now wait for you (and any other editors) to help address the issue. Cheers for now... Paul W (talk) 11:46, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

@Paul W Thank you for your help! Michaeldble (talk) 12:05, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

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Darwin Nunez

I believe that he still won the EFL Cup, even though he did not play in the final. HIs involvement is very obvious and can be looked up, I believe. Please correct me if I am wrong but I believe his honours need to be re-updated. Scientelensia (talk) 18:53, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

@Scientelensia Hello, hope you're well. Do you have a source that explicitly states that he received a medal?

It's a bit of a grey area but I think we usually only include honours for the players that were included in the matchday squad for the final, unless there's a source that states they have definitely received a medal. The honours have also been removed for players in a similar boat to Núñez (involved in the earlier rounds but not the final) i.e. Salah, Szoboszlai and Jota for example. It might be worth a wider discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football or Talk:Darwin Núñez but I don't think it should be included unless a reliable source says otherwise. Michaeldble (talk) 19:19, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for your reply.

I have searched extensively but unfortunately have not found one. Still, I think that it is strange that he is not given the honour on the page even though his team won and he was clearly involved in previous rounds. I agree, a discussion at the WikiProject would be very useful.

Thanks,

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Chesterfield FC

Actually part of your change was good and I have changed it back. I hadn't noticed you also changed "an" to "a" at the beginning Spinney Hill (talk) 22:09, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! Michaeldble (talk) 23:00, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

James Trafford

He should not be added to the 'England international' category until he actually plays. GiantSnowman 18:15, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up! Michaeldble (talk) 18:18, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

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I recently constructed an edit on chesterfield FC’s FA cup history and you took it down. I want to ask why? OAS 41 (talk) 18:01, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

I removed it because it was poorly written, poorly referenced and contained inaccurate information. That section also seemed a bit redundant to me as half of the information was covered in a previous section. Michaeldble (talk) 12:16, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

The information wasn’t inaccurate because I went to the games. And fair enough that it is in a previous section OAS 41 (talk) 20:02, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

England

Give over!! Neither is third place or runners-up in that case!! BRACK66 (talk) 22:07, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

BRACK66 I don't really see how a fourth place finish at a World Cup can be considered an honour personally. At least with third place you receive a bronze medal. I see it has been reverted again by another editor anyway, might be worth a talk page discussion on the article? Michaeldble (talk) 22:37, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Pedantic or vwhat.

BRACK66 (talk) 00:54, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

4th place is a semi final, as is 3rd place. Therefore, it should be included.

France and Germany include them, so what is good for them should be good enough for us. BRACK66 (talk) 00:56, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

BRACK66 Regarding the initial comment you made before deleting: "Pedantic or what. Do one you cunt." Do you think it's maybe a bit odd for a grown adult to get annoyed over something so trivial?

Neither the French nor the German national team articles include fourth place finishes either, are you talking about something else maybe? Seen as it was reverted by someone else too, it might be a good idea to start a discussion on Talk:England national football team rather than here Michaeldble (talk) 10:21, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

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Notts county

Hi could you please update Aaron Nemane notts county stats

and Sam Austin stats and appearances too

thanks 86.6.177.2 (talk) 18:13, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Electoral history of the Labour Party (UK)

On 30 April 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Electoral history of the Labour Party (UK), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the Labour Party received their highest share of the vote to date in the 1951 UK general election but still lost to the Conservatives, who received fewer votes? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Electoral history of the Labour Party (UK). You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Electoral history of the Labour Party (UK)), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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@Llewee Thank you very much for your help on this, I really appreciate it! Michaeldble (talk) 13:04, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you Michaeldble, Do you know how to nominate a fact to DYK?--Llewee (talk) 13:37, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

@Llewee I don't know much about it to be honest. Which fact would you suggest? Michaeldble (talk) 14:00, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Michaeldble, you can a nominate a fact using this form. Choose "Improved to GA" for the "status" section, copy and paste in the relevant references into the "source" section and the rest of the form should be fairly self explanatory. Don't worry about the "Reviewed" section for now as its only needed for editors who have made several nominations.

In terms of interesting facts I think the simplest option would be something like "...that the UK Labour party more than doubled its share of the vote after the First World War?" Make sure you include a bolded link to the target article as shown. You could also add the image of the poster by ticking the "include image" box and putting "Will Dyson Vote Labour 1918.jpg" into the "Image name" section.

This might seem quite complicated but once you have had a go at doing it any mistakes should be fairly easy to deal with.--Llewee (talk) 14:50, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

@Llewee I've just nominated it now: Template:Did you know nominations/Electoral history of the Labour Party (UK) Thanks again Michaeldble (talk) 17:35, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Good, that is probably more interesting than my suggestion. Llewee (talk) 17:52, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

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Keir Starmer article edits

With all due respect, go to Jeremy Corbyn's article and you'll find chockablock information about his tenure as Labour leader. Why is the same not true of Keir Starmer's page? Corbyn also has a Labour leadership stub-article but that doesn't stop his main page having a lot of information about his leadership. This information is important to readers and there should be a consensus before removal, I've taken this to the talk page so we can finally get a consensus on this. ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter (talk) 22:13, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

I've replied on the talk page Michaeldble (talk) 22:32, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Rachel Reeves

Greetings. The Manual of Style is very specific about the use of verb tenses in this section: present tense is the standard. If you believe that a better tense should be used, please post up a proposal at the MOS Talk Page. For what's it's worth, I'd support a change from plain old "present tense" to the "present perfect continuous tense", also known as the "present perfect progressive tense", making this "Rachel Reeves has been serving as ... since...". Take care. -The Gnome (talk) 09:43, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello there @The Gnome, thank you for your message. I initially reverted it as it sounded unnatural to me, although I'd definitely not say this is my area of expertise. I also thought that wording was standard across most other British politicians although I see you've changed a few today. It seems the tense has been changed back again on the Rachel Reeves article again Michaeldble (talk) 22:17, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Ollie Watkins

Thanks for your constructive comments re. the 'Early life and education' section within this article. I have now added the requested sources to corroborate all statements contained therein. Best wishes, 82.38.214.91 (talk) 06:27, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Tom Heaton and England

Hi there. Just wanted to reach out and say it was not my intention to start an edit war over this issue. I previously opened a discussion on the talk page as I feel Heaton's call-up for the tournament without inclusion in the official squad is somewhat novel and doesn't have an established precedent as how it should be represented. AnimeBatman (talk) 15:29, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

@AnimeBatman Hello there! Yes, I'd just be a bit more careful going forward, I think you'd been reverted on five occasions by separate editors. After the second or so revert you probably should've started a talk page discussion then as per WP:BRD and WP:3RR. All the best :) Michaeldble (talk) 20:55, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

I've just replied on the talk page Michaeldble (talk) 21:02, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the reply, and you're absolutely right I should have sought a discussion to reach a consensus sooner rather than just changing things back. I'm a relatively casual editor and this is the first time I've hit a dispute like this, so I appreciate the advice. All the best back at you, and enjoy the final tomorrow! AnimeBatman (talk) 21:35, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

No worries, just so you know for next time. You too, should be a nervy one! Michaeldble (talk) Michaeldble (talk) 21:40, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

You reverted my true statement on Germany national football team

You reverted my true statement on the German national team and removed crediting Uruguay as also having 4 world titles like Germany and Italy. This is a true fact. World cups were not the only fifa world titles in history. The 2 Olympics proceeding World Cup were also senior world titles equivalent to world cups and Uruguay won those. Truefacts24 (talk) 13:32, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

I would suggest starting a talk page discussion at either Talk:Germany national football team or Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football Michaeldble (talk) 13:42, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

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